Re: First PAW of 2005
I have a M 200mm f4 and a F 70-210mm f4~5.6 and that's not actually true in my experience. The 200mm is lighter when your carrying it around though. Paul Stenquist wrote: You can pick up a K or M 200/4 for next to nothing, and either is almost certainly superior to the F70-210 in sharpness and resolution. You'll gain a full stop wide open, which is quite a difference at that focal length. Paul On Jan 4, 2005, at 11:00 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:03:24 +0200, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Markus, I have to agree with you. Which leads me to my current question that I keep pondering all the time (within limits of reason :) ). By now, I use my F 70-210 zoom at 210 mm (long end) which makes it roughly 315 mm on my *istD to make these shots. It is then 315/5.6 lens. It seems that even at this focal length, f/5.6 yields considerable DOF that somewhat spoils my backgrounds... What to do? For now, I wouldn't want to come closer to my "prey" :). Of course, I agree that I should be more aware of the background, but sometimes, like the case of that boy and model train, I still wanted to make that shot... Any suggestions would be gladly appreciated. Thanks. Well, Boris, I'm no expert, and I'm pretty bad with backgrounds, too, but that won't stop me from commenting . First, looking at your street gallery, the backgrounds aren't that bad, IMHO. Contemplation and Thou Shalt Not Pass are the only ones that I find objectionable. The others are fine to me. Sometimes, you can only change angles, but that's hard to do with a long lens. Or, in the case of Contemplation, wait for the offending person to move out of the frame - of course by then maybe you've lost your "moment". So, you shoot, and hope for the best. If the moment is strong enough, it outweighs the "bad stuff". If it doesn't work, don't show the photo. Maybe editing is part of the solution too. I think that maybe using shorter lenses for much of your "street" work (I know many here don't like that term, but I don't know what else to call it) might be a good start. Makes it much easier to move around to get the background right. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: First PAW of 2005
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 07:03:24AM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote: > Hi! > > By now, I use my F 70-210 zoom at 210 mm (long end) which makes it > roughly 315 mm on my *istD to make these shots. It is then 315/5.6 > lens. It seems that even at this focal length, f/5.6 yields > considerable DOF that somewhat spoils my backgrounds... What to do? The first thing to do is to avoid using confusing terminology. You don't have a 315/f5.6 lens. You have a 210/f5.6 lens with the same angle of view that a 315mm lens would produce on a 24mm x 36mm sensor, but with the same depth of field you would get with 315/f8, not 315/f5.6
RE: First PAW of 2005
Hi Boris I like the expression on most of the faces but I think you really should take care for the backgrounds too and the framing is not perfect as well on most photos. greetings Markus >>> >>> http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/g/si3634 >>> >>> I would very much appreciate opinion of list's street shooters on this >>> and these :).
Re: First PAW of 2005
Hi! > I must be honest, Boris, the photo doesn't really move me. .. snipped .. > I always feel better saying less than nice things about a photo when I > see that several others like it, because then I think that the photo > may be a good one, and it's just me that doesn't like it. But, as > always, I think it's better to say what I think about something than > to say nothing. Hope you don't mind, Boris. I always feel even better reading what you have to say. I'd rather you told what you really had to say than just something polite and vague... I definitely don't mind. I hope others will say whatever they have to say and I will make one more step in my learning curve :). Boris (who's going to be selling most of his surplus film real soon)
Re: First PAW of 2005
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:47:56 +0200, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/g/si3634 > > I would very much appreciate opinion of list's street shooters on this > and these :). I ~really~ like the photos in this album! (except "Thou Shalt Not Pass", of course ). Despite a few niggling little exposure difficulties, and less than perfect framing (in the case of Wizard), you've captured some really good moments in all of these shots! There's some emotion that I really like in each of them. I think these are much stronger than your PAW. Oddly, your last PAW (IIRC), Contemplation, also in this gallery, is my least favourite in the gallery after Thou Shalt Not Pass. I think we must have different tastes in photos, Boris! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: First PAW of 2005
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:47:56 +0200, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > Yesterday we had rather summer weather - +26C at midday. So here is a > shot for you: > > http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/54189 I must be honest, Boris, the photo doesn't really move me. To me, it is like a family vacation snapshot or something. The expression on the boy's face is saying something, but I'm not sure what. From that angle, it's hard to see his hand which appears to be calling for the train to stop. The train is partially obscured by weeds. There are some blue and green blocks in the background that I'm not sure what they are and I find them distracting. The timing WRT the train coming into the frame was good, though. And, the framing in terms of the boy and the train is good, too. In fact, the framing is very good. But, not enough to save the photo for me, I'm afraid. I always feel better saying less than nice things about a photo when I see that several others like it, because then I think that the photo may be a good one, and it's just me that doesn't like it. But, as always, I think it's better to say what I think about something than to say nothing. Hope you don't mind, Boris. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: First PAW of 2005
I was admiring that image earlier! (I'm a sucker for anything "trainish.") Full of life and youth! It would be uncharitable to saying negative about it. It's just perfect the way it is. :-) (and strangely enough, on the WA "New" page, your image is right next to mine! strange coincidence) :-) On Jan 2, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Yesterday we had rather summer weather - +26C at midday. So here is a shot for you: http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/54189 -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: First PAW of 2005
Very Nice. You're first post, "Thou shalt not pass" is outstancing. Very good capture. Nice frmaing, nice composition, and you timed the arrival of the train perfectly. Thanks for Sharing. Happy New Year, Paul > Hi! > > Yesterday we had rather summer weather - +26C at midday. So here is a > shot for you: > > http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/photos/54189 > > Also my "On Every Street..." album: > > http://www.webaperture.com/gallery/g/si3634 > > I would very much appreciate opinion of list's street shooters on this > and these :). > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Boris > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
