Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Bob W wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of Mark Roberts >>Sent: 16 September 2006 21:42 >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. >> >>mike wilson wrote: >> >> >>>I hear the sound of a joke whizzing over people's heads. >> >>So people are making a kind of "faux pas de deux"? >> >> >>>(Hint: Pavlova and Pavlov are two different people) >> >> > > > if enough people get it wrong we'll have mille failles... > At least you two are en pointe. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
graywolf wrote: > Are we speaking of the dancer, or the gymnastic, or someone else entirely? > We were talking about eggs but I see we now have a ballet pun thread. Culchah? We got it! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Are we speaking of the dancer, or the gymnastic, or someone else entirely? -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- mike wilson wrote: > I hear the sound of a joke whizzing over people's heads. > > > (Hint: Pavlova and Pavlov are two different people) > > > Or a meringue? > > Bob Sullivan wrote: >> I wish he'd stop dogging us about them. Bob S. >> >> On 9/16/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On 16/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> >>> I got it! I just thought it was too crap to comment on. Besides, these pun threads are becoming too predictable. Most of the replies seem like Pavlova reflexes. >>> But you must admit a hunger for them. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Cotty >>> >>> >>> ___/\__ >>> || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche >>> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com >>> _ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Roberts > Sent: 16 September 2006 21:42 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. > > mike wilson wrote: > > >I hear the sound of a joke whizzing over people's heads. > > So people are making a kind of "faux pas de deux"? > > >(Hint: Pavlova and Pavlov are two different people) > if enough people get it wrong we'll have mille failles... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
mike wilson wrote: >I hear the sound of a joke whizzing over people's heads. So people are making a kind of "faux pas de deux"? >(Hint: Pavlova and Pavlov are two different people) -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
I hear the sound of a joke whizzing over people's heads. (Hint: Pavlova and Pavlov are two different people) Or a meringue? Bob Sullivan wrote: > I wish he'd stop dogging us about them. Bob S. > > On 9/16/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On 16/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >> >>>I got it! I just thought it was too crap to comment on. Besides, these >>>pun threads are becoming too predictable. Most of the replies seem >>>like Pavlova reflexes. >> >>But you must admit a hunger for them. >> >> >>-- >> >> >>Cheers, >> Cotty >> >> >>___/\__ >>|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche >>||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com >>_ >> >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Unless you have the handstrap on it, where you can't quite reach it on the D. But it was a better location and design than the D's AE lock button, which I never could find without looking. I will agree that the location is better than on the DS/DL. So far I'm really liking the K100D's AE lock location, it falls right under my thumb, like the AE lock on Canon bodies does. Of the current lot, I'd say the K100D has the most refined interface, but that's unsurprising as it's the newest body. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: > I have owned two Pentax DSLR's: The D and the DL. The latter uses the AE-L > for metering with non A-lenses. The D uses the Green Button. > IMHO the green buton is more convenient (ergonomic) to use than the AE-L on > the back side of the DL. > When using the Green Button it is not necassary to remove the camera away > form the eye. > The button is right next to the shutter button - you'll easily find it - > even in the dark. > > Regards > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk > +45 56 63 77 11 > +45 23 43 85 77 > Skype: jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Tim > Řsleby > Sendt: 14. september 2006 14:37 > Til: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Emne: Green button and ergonomics. > > > I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and > ergonomics. > I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told > this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the > AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. > > When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure > compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger > finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more > convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. > > So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do > I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the > new body? > >>From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be > just me, and my habits. > > Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The > only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the > trigger. > > What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One > user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at > the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to > K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup > body. So much for great ergonomics. > > Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 09/14/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 09/15/2006 > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
I wish he'd stop dogging us about them. Bob S. On 9/16/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 16/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >I got it! I just thought it was too crap to comment on. Besides, these > >pun threads are becoming too predictable. Most of the replies seem > >like Pavlova reflexes. > > But you must admit a hunger for them. > > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
I have owned two Pentax DSLR's: The D and the DL. The latter uses the AE-L for metering with non A-lenses. The D uses the Green Button. IMHO the green buton is more convenient (ergonomic) to use than the AE-L on the back side of the DL. When using the Green Button it is not necassary to remove the camera away form the eye. The button is right next to the shutter button - you'll easily find it - even in the dark. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Tim Řsleby Sendt: 14. september 2006 14:37 Til: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Emne: Green button and ergonomics. I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and ergonomics. I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the new body? >From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be just me, and my habits. Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the trigger. What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup body. So much for great ergonomics. Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 09/14/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 09/15/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
On 16/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >I got it! I just thought it was too crap to comment on. Besides, these >pun threads are becoming too predictable. Most of the replies seem >like Pavlova reflexes. But you must admit a hunger for them. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Bob W wrote: > I got it! I just thought it was too crap to comment on. Besides, these > pun threads are becoming too predictable. Most of the replies seem > like Pavlova reflexes. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob 8-) > > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of Mark Roberts >>Sent: 16 September 2006 02:19 >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. >> >>Tim Øsleby wrote: >> >> >>>Note to myself: >>>You don't understand puns, therefore; never respond to a pun > > thread. > >>Mike's post was such a rare subspecies - the "Sunderland Dialect > > Pun" > >>- that Mike himself was likely the only one who had any chance of >>getting it! >> > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Tim Øsleby wrote: > I know the man is mean, but is he that mean? > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) I couldn't help myself. Sad but true. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark > Roberts > Sent: 16. september 2006 03:19 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. > > Tim Øsleby wrote: > > >>Note to myself: >>You don't understand puns, therefore; never respond to a pun thread. > > > Mike's post was such a rare subspecies - the "Sunderland Dialect Pun" > - that Mike himself was likely the only one who had any chance of > getting it! > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
I got it! I just thought it was too crap to comment on. Besides, these pun threads are becoming too predictable. Most of the replies seem like Pavlova reflexes. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Roberts > Sent: 16 September 2006 02:19 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. > > Tim Øsleby wrote: > > >Note to myself: > >You don't understand puns, therefore; never respond to a pun thread. > > Mike's post was such a rare subspecies - the "Sunderland Dialect Pun" > - that Mike himself was likely the only one who had any chance of > getting it! > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
I know the man is mean, but is he that mean? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 16. september 2006 03:19 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Tim Øsleby wrote: >Note to myself: >You don't understand puns, therefore; never respond to a pun thread. Mike's post was such a rare subspecies - the "Sunderland Dialect Pun" - that Mike himself was likely the only one who had any chance of getting it! -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Tim Øsleby wrote: >Note to myself: >You don't understand puns, therefore; never respond to a pun thread. Mike's post was such a rare subspecies - the "Sunderland Dialect Pun" - that Mike himself was likely the only one who had any chance of getting it! -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Don't feel too bad Tim. That one wouldn't have been easy for native English speakers, unfamiliar with that particular patois. Tim Øsleby wrote: >Note to myself: >You don't understand puns, therefore; never respond to a pun thread. > > >Tim >Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike >wilson >Sent: 15. september 2006 23:33 >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. > >Tim Øsleby wrote: > > >>Don't worry Mike, Merriam-Webster is your friend >> >> >> >http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=meringu > > >>e >> >> >>Tim >>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >> >> > >Time to weep 8-) > >In the local English dialect, one would pronounce "I" as "Ah", "right" >as "reet" and "wrong" as "wrang". > >So; "Am Ah reet or am Ah wrang?" > >"Are you starting a pun thread (about eggs) or am Ah wrang (a meringue)?" > >It's the way I tell them.. > > > >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> >> >mike > > >>wilson >>Sent: 14. september 2006 22:56 >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. >> >>Cotty wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. >>>> >>>> >>>Well, let's not beat it to death then. >>> >>> >>> >>Are you starting another pun thread or a meringue? >> >>If I have to explain that, I'll weep. >> >> >> > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
Note to myself: You don't understand puns, therefore; never respond to a pun thread. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: 15. september 2006 23:33 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Tim Øsleby wrote: > Don't worry Mike, Merriam-Webster is your friend > http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=meringu > e > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Time to weep 8-) In the local English dialect, one would pronounce "I" as "Ah", "right" as "reet" and "wrong" as "wrang". So; "Am Ah reet or am Ah wrang?" "Are you starting a pun thread (about eggs) or am Ah wrang (a meringue)?" It's the way I tell them.. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike > wilson > Sent: 14. september 2006 22:56 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. > > Cotty wrote: > > >>On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >> >> >>>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. >> >> >>Well, let's not beat it to death then. >> > > > Are you starting another pun thread or a meringue? > > If I have to explain that, I'll weep. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Tim Øsleby wrote: > Don't worry Mike, Merriam-Webster is your friend > http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=meringu > e > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Time to weep 8-) In the local English dialect, one would pronounce "I" as "Ah", "right" as "reet" and "wrong" as "wrang". So; "Am Ah reet or am Ah wrang?" "Are you starting a pun thread (about eggs) or am Ah wrang (a meringue)?" It's the way I tell them.. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike > wilson > Sent: 14. september 2006 22:56 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. > > Cotty wrote: > > >>On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >> >> >>>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. >> >> >>Well, let's not beat it to death then. >> > > > Are you starting another pun thread or a meringue? > > If I have to explain that, I'll weep. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Kenneth Waller wrote: >From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Cotty wrote: >> > On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >> > None. I leave the eggs to you mate. >>> >>> Well, let's not beat it to death then. > >>I bet you had to scramble to come up with that one. > >I can't wait to see what else this thread hatches. Ah, I knew we could count on you, Ken. We're birds of a feather. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
According to John Forbes only Luddites would use that dictionary. Guess it's why I do. Tom C. From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" Subject: RE: Green button and ergonomics. Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:42:12 +0200 Don't worry Mike, Merriam-Webster is your friend http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=meringu e Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: 14. september 2006 22:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Cotty wrote: > On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. > > > Well, let's not beat it to death then. > Are you starting another pun thread or a meringue? If I have to explain that, I'll weep. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
Don't worry Mike, Merriam-Webster is your friend http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=meringu e Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: 14. september 2006 22:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Cotty wrote: > On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. > > > Well, let's not beat it to death then. > Are you starting another pun thread or a meringue? If I have to explain that, I'll weep. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Cotty wrote: > On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. > > > Well, let's not beat it to death then. > Are you starting another pun thread or a meringue? If I have to explain that, I'll weep. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
Something tells me that this thread is wiggling into a dead end. Have fun guys, I got the answer I need. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 14. september 2006 21:14 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Cotty wrote: > On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> None. I leave the eggs to you mate. > > Well, let's not beat it to death then. I bet you had to scramble to come up with that one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You'll fry for this Cotty. > It takes some huevos to say that to a big man. > Cotty wrote: > > >>On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >> >> >> >>>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. >>> >>> >> >>Well, let's not beat it to death then. >> >> >> > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Cotty wrote: > > On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>> None. I leave the eggs to you mate. >> >> Well, let's not beat it to death then. >I bet you had to scramble to come up with that one. I can't wait to see what else this thread hatches. Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
You'll fry for this Cotty. Cotty wrote: >On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > >>None. I leave the eggs to you mate. >> >> > >Well, let's not beat it to death then. > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Cotty wrote: > On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> None. I leave the eggs to you mate. > > Well, let's not beat it to death then. I bet you had to scramble to come up with that one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >None. I leave the eggs to you mate. Well, let's not beat it to death then. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
On 14/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: >Like Nikon, the basic control dials are the same between the mid-range >and Pro bodies, as is the basic AE-Lock setup. But virtually every other >control differs, the 3 button setup (Nikon uses something similer, 3 >buttons and a drive mode ring) is substantially different from a mode >dial on the lower-end bodies. I like the Pro configuration much better, >but it does make switching between the two occasionally painful. Point taken. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
I heard that all buttons are fully mappable . :-) Tom C. From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:26:33 -0400 Yes, you'll have to change your trigger finger, unless pentax decides to make the green button AE-L function the same way when non A lenses are mounted and the camera is in manual mode, no reason they couldn't since the AL-L button on the D does nothing when there's an K lens mounted and the camera is in M mode. But I doubt it works that way now. Welcome to the club, many of us question why Pentax makes it's decisions. Tim Øsleby wrote: >I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and >ergonomics. >I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told >this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the >AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. > >When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure >compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger >finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more >convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. > >So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do >I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the >new body? > >>From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be >just me, and my habits. > >Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The >only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the >trigger. > >What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One >user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at >the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to >K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup >body. So much for great ergonomics. > >Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) > > >Tim >Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Yes, you'll have to change your trigger finger, unless pentax decides to make the green button AE-L function the same way when non A lenses are mounted and the camera is in manual mode, no reason they couldn't since the AL-L button on the D does nothing when there's an K lens mounted and the camera is in M mode. But I doubt it works that way now. Welcome to the club, many of us question why Pentax makes it's decisions. Tim Øsleby wrote: >I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and >ergonomics. >I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told >this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the >AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. > >When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure >compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger >finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more >convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. > >So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do >I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the >new body? > >>From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be >just me, and my habits. > >Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The >only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the >trigger. > >What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One >user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at >the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to >K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup >body. So much for great ergonomics. > >Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) > > >Tim >Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
None. I leave the eggs to you mate. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 14. september 2006 17:23 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'm probably making a lot of fuzz over a minor thing. How many chicks are you trying to hatch? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Cotty wrote: > On 14/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>At least we aren't dealing >>with 3 UI's like Canon and Nikon users (Single-wheel, Dual-wheel and Pro >>bodies all have differing interfaces from the Big Two). > > > How so? Canon 1D cameras have a main dial (just above the shutter > button) and a rear dial on the back. You can configure either to do what > you like. For instance in manual you can have the front dial do aperture > and the rear dial to shutter speed. This system is the same as on the > D30/D60/10D/20D/30D. The only thing different for the 1D is that it has > three buttons on the top, just left of the pentaprism housing. These can > be pressed individually or in pairs, in conjunction with the main > (front) dial to have fast access to alter anything from ISO to exposure mode. > Like Nikon, the basic control dials are the same between the mid-range and Pro bodies, as is the basic AE-Lock setup. But virtually every other control differs, the 3 button setup (Nikon uses something similer, 3 buttons and a drive mode ring) is substantially different from a mode dial on the lower-end bodies. I like the Pro configuration much better, but it does make switching between the two occasionally painful. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
On 14.09.2006, at 16:37 , David Savage wrote: > I'll have to get use to the Fn button instead of turning the dedicated > knob/dial. > > Although from what I've seen on the dpreview pages makes me think the > learning curve won't be that steep. Speaking of ergonomics. When you press "OK" button you got ISO confirmation in both - viewfinder and external LCD. It just screams to make easy ISO adjust this way: press OK button for ISO confirmation, to change ISO hold OK and turn front wheel!!! Maybe in next firmware release? It would be just perfect. It didn't make any sens to implement in K100D where you have only rear dial and OK + dial combination wouldn't be comfortable at all unless you work in circus... Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
On 14/9/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'm probably making a lot of fuzz over a minor thing. How many chicks are you trying to hatch? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
On 14/9/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: >At least we aren't dealing >with 3 UI's like Canon and Nikon users (Single-wheel, Dual-wheel and Pro >bodies all have differing interfaces from the Big Two). How so? Canon 1D cameras have a main dial (just above the shutter button) and a rear dial on the back. You can configure either to do what you like. For instance in manual you can have the front dial do aperture and the rear dial to shutter speed. This system is the same as on the D30/D60/10D/20D/30D. The only thing different for the 1D is that it has three buttons on the top, just left of the pentaprism housing. These can be pressed individually or in pairs, in conjunction with the main (front) dial to have fast access to alter anything from ISO to exposure mode. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
On 9/14/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It looks I've got to make new habits. Hope you are right about it getting > automatic after a while. Most likely you are. I'll have to get use to the Fn button instead of turning the dedicated knob/dial. Although from what I've seen on the dpreview pages makes me think the learning curve won't be that steep. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Having the green button near the shutter button means you can keep tapping it as you reframe or if the light changes. I tend to work my finger back and forth from the green to the shutter frequently when shooting with a K or M lens. It soon becomes an automatic. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and > ergonomics. > I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told > this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the > AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. > > When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure > compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger > finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more > convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. > > So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do > I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the > new body? > > >From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be > just me, and my habits. > > Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The > only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the > trigger. > > What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One > user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at > the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to > K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup > body. So much for great ergonomics. > > Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Green button and ergonomics.
Having it at the back also means that you can keep tapping it as I reframe or the light changes, _without_ moving any fingers. That's what I like. It looks I've got to make new habits. Hope you are right about it getting automatic after a while. Most likely you are. But I can see myself tapping the wrong button when changing from new body to backup body. I can also hear myself using improper language over Pentax while missing shots because of this. I'm probably making a lot of fuzz over a minor thing. Could be because I have a bad cold and are in a bad mood ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14. september 2006 16:11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Green button and ergonomics. Having the green button near the shutter button means you can keep tapping it as you reframe or if the light changes. I tend to work my finger back and forth from the green to the shutter frequently when shooting with a K or M lens. It soon becomes an automatic. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and > ergonomics. > I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told > this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the > AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. > > When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure > compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger > finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more > convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. > > So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do > I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the > new body? > > >From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be > just me, and my habits. > > Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The > only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the > trigger. > > What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One > user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at > the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to > K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup > body. So much for great ergonomics. > > Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Green button and ergonomics.
Tim Øsleby wrote: > I'm not familiar with the green button. I have a question about it and > ergonomics. > I'm a DS user. When using the pre A lenses I use the AE-L button. I'm told > this does the same as the original green button. I'm using the thumb at the > AE-L button. After getting used to it, it's no problem, it became a habit. > > When studying the new body, I see that the green button is where exposure > compensation button is. Does this mean that I have to move my trigger > finger? If that's the case, it looks like a drag. It seems much more > convenient and faster to have one finger at each button. > > So. I guess my question is; can I use the AE-L button as I'm used to, or do > I have to get used to use the two buttons with my trigger finger with the > new body? > >>From my point of view, the DS solution looks much better. But that might be > just me, and my habits. > > Don't get me wrong. I do see the advantages of the two wheel interface. The > only thing I find strange is that they have placed the green button near the > trigger. > > What I don't understand why Pentax makes two opposite user interfaces. One > user interface similar to the DS at the K100D, and green button interface at > the K10D. If I'm right, this will make it very awkward to move from K100D to > K10D, and backwards for those who want to keep the cheap camera as a backup > body. So much for great ergonomics. > > Guess this makes me the first who has a real complaint about the K10D ;-) > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > Single-wheel cameras always have differing user interfaces from dual-wheel cameras, this is a fact of life. At least we aren't dealing with 3 UI's like Canon and Nikon users (Single-wheel, Dual-wheel and Pro bodies all have differing interfaces from the Big Two). I've generally found that the current crop of single-wheel cameras are more compromised in their interface than the dual-wheel bodies, although Pentax got the Green Button location right this time, the D had a horrid location for it (If you use a handstrap, you couldn't reach the green button). I really don't mind the location on the K10D, it keeps both methods of metering with MF lenses right next to each other (DoF Preview and Green Button) and allows the AE Lock to be used solely for what it's intended for. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
