Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
Many D700 owners have the same problem. I'm lucky that mine works well. DS 2009/8/3 Ralf R. Radermacher : > Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
I haven't even looked at it yet. I'll have to check. Paul On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
David, You mean that _your_ spirit level works well? ;-) My spirit will be greatly improved when the price of K-7 will go down below MSRP. On another hand, my level of spirits doesn't depend on K-7. Igor Mon Aug 3 06:06:59 CDT 2009 David Savage wrote: Many D700 owners have the same problem. I'm lucky that mine works well. DS 2009/8/3 Ralf R. Radermacher : > Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - K.ln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
Mine's off too. It leans to the right - one whole bar on the scale. This shows up when I put the camera base on a flat and level surface and if I align the grid on live view to a horizontal plane. I'll have to think about whether it's worth taking it back or just living with it. The only other gripe so far is that the SD card is fiddly to extract - the door gets in the way when gripping the card. Perhaps it needs a magic needle system... Otherwise, I'm very happy with it from its first day of shooting though. I'll post some pictures soon. Chris > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Ralf R. Radermacher > Sent: 03 August 2009 11:31 > To: Pentax Mailingliste > Subject: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? > > Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
You should use a bubble level to test it accurately. Flat and level is not necessarily flat and level. Paul On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote: Mine's off too. It leans to the right - one whole bar on the scale. This shows up when I put the camera base on a flat and level surface and if I align the grid on live view to a horizontal plane. I'll have to think about whether it's worth taking it back or just living with it. The only other gripe so far is that the SD card is fiddly to extract - the door gets in the way when gripping the card. Perhaps it needs a magic needle system... Otherwise, I'm very happy with it from its first day of shooting though. I'll post some pictures soon. Chris -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ralf R. Radermacher Sent: 03 August 2009 11:31 To: Pentax Mailingliste Subject: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 03:05:07PM -0400, paul stenquist scripsit: > You should use a bubble level to test it accurately. Flat and level is > not necessarily flat and level. For that matter, a hardware store bubble level might not be accurate, either. Certainly the cheap plastic torpedo levels aren't particularly likely to be. You can either get a good (expensive) level, build a plumb-bob level (dead accurate; slow and annoying to use), or take the camera some place where they've already got a level surface. (Machinist's table, for example.) The first thing to try, though, is to rotate the camera so it faces NESW and see if the amount the level indicates you're off changes. No change = level surface, deluded camera. Change = likely, the camera is right. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
You can test a spirit level by turning it through 180 degrees. If the reading still shows level, then it's level. If not, it's out by half the difference. Mine is level. Chris > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Graydon > Sent: 03 August 2009 20:22 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 03:05:07PM -0400, paul stenquist scripsit: > > You should use a bubble level to test it accurately. Flat and level > is > > not necessarily flat and level. > > For that matter, a hardware store bubble level might not be accurate, > either. Certainly the cheap plastic torpedo levels aren't particularly > likely to be. > > You can either get a good (expensive) level, build a plumb-bob level > (dead accurate; slow and annoying to use), or take the camera some > place > where they've already got a level surface. (Machinist's table, for > example.) > > The first thing to try, though, is to rotate the camera so it faces > NESW > and see if the amount the level indicates you're off changes. No > change = > level surface, deluded camera. Change = likely, the camera is right. > > -- Graydon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
I did use a bubble level. My flat and level surface is just that. Chris > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > paul stenquist > Sent: 03 August 2009 20:05 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? > > You should use a bubble level to test it accurately. Flat and level is > not necessarily flat and level. > Paul > On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote: > > > Mine's off too. It leans to the right - one whole bar on the scale. > > > > This shows up when I put the camera base on a flat and level surface > > and if > > I align the grid on live view to a horizontal plane. > > > > I'll have to think about whether it's worth taking it back or just > > living > > with it. > > > > The only other gripe so far is that the SD card is fiddly to extract > > - the > > door gets in the way when gripping the card. Perhaps it needs a > > magic needle > > system... > > > > Otherwise, I'm very happy with it from its first day of shooting > > though. > > I'll post some pictures soon. > > > > Chris > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On > >> Behalf Of > >> Ralf R. Radermacher > >> Sent: 03 August 2009 11:31 > >> To: Pentax Mailingliste > >> Subject: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? > >> > >> Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. > >> > >> Ralf > >> > >> -- > >> Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany > >> Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > >> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > >> Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >> and > >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > and follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
- Original Message - From: "paul stenquist" Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? You should use a bubble level to test it accurately. Flat and level is not necessarily flat and level. And as I just discovered, flat and level is not flat and level across the hot shoe. I set up my tripod and leveled the head (I have a very good torpedo level) and then attachd the camera to the tripod. And sure enough, the camera's built in level is perfect. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
Hi, compared the K-7 I test with my most trusted bubble level. Horizontally it's about one unit off, i.e. when the bubble sits in the middle, K-7 wants me to rotate a camera a bit counterclockwise. Vertical position is even more inaccurate (2-3 units) BR, Margus paul stenquist wrote: You should use a bubble level to test it accurately. Flat and level is not necessarily flat and level. Paul On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote: Mine's off too. It leans to the right - one whole bar on the scale. This shows up when I put the camera base on a flat and level surface and if I align the grid on live view to a horizontal plane. I'll have to think about whether it's worth taking it back or just living with it. The only other gripe so far is that the SD card is fiddly to extract - the door gets in the way when gripping the card. Perhaps it needs a magic needle system... Otherwise, I'm very happy with it from its first day of shooting though. I'll post some pictures soon. Chris -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ralf R. Radermacher Sent: 03 August 2009 11:31 To: Pentax Mailingliste Subject: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
On Aug 4, 2009, at 07:56 , Margus Männik wrote: Hi, compared the K-7 I test with my most trusted bubble level. Horizontally it's about one unit off, i.e. when the bubble sits in the middle, K-7 wants me to rotate a camera a bit counterclockwise. Vertical position is even more inaccurate (2-3 units) BR, Margus IF the K-7 had a bubble level inside, you could expect accurate readings. But it only has a digital inclinometer, and a cheap one at that. It's just something they could include to mirror the feature set of the big boys. Don't expect too much. It's better than guessing, judging by many of my shots. Thanks Apple for allowing me to straighten up my images in Aperture. You'll need to carry your iPhone/iTouch (or the functional equivalent) with you, equipped with any of the apps that will do a carpenter's level, plumb bob, and compass with you. They are all adjustable in set- up, providing a slightly more accurate reading. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
I have an electronic level. It does a great job, but needs to be calibrated. Is there a way of calibrating the K-7 level? -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/8/3 Ralf R. Radermacher : > Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. I really wish we could get Frank's input on this. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? I have an electronic level. It does a great job, but needs to be calibrated. Is there a way of calibrating the K-7 level? Check it with a known accurate level. Count how many dits out it is. Use that mark as your level mark. It's not rocket science. I'm so glad I have such low standards. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:11 PM, William Robb wrote: Check it with a known accurate level. Count how many dits out it is. Use that mark as your level mark. It's not rocket science. I'm so glad I have such low standards. Sounds like too much hard work. Just rotate your lens in its mount by a degree or two. ;) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/8/5 David Mann : > > Just rotate your lens in its mount by a degree or two. I've found that the more input of spirits, the less level things become. I've no need for a drunk camera. Jostein :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Graydon wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 03:05:07PM -0400, paul stenquist scripsit: >> You should use a bubble level to test it accurately. Flat and level is >> not necessarily flat and level. > > For that matter, a hardware store bubble level might not be accurate, > either. Certainly the cheap plastic torpedo levels aren't particularly > likely to be. I still have my transit, level, tripod and plumb bob. Maybe i can do the circuit and test them all.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
Joseph McAllister wrote: IF the K-7 had a bubble level inside, you could expect accurate readings. But it only has a digital IF it has a function like this, it should be accurate. At least as accurate as naked eye. K-7 is a serious tool, not a toy and inaccurate functions are decreasing it's creditability. For an average person the level is real low-tech and so they think: hey, if even the god damn level isn't accurate, there's no sense to talk about the complex functions like image processing. BRM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 5, 2009, at 09:46 , AlunFoto wrote: 2009/8/5 David Mann : Just rotate your lens in its mount by a degree or two. I've found that the more input of spirits, the less level things become. I've no need for a drunk camera. Jostein :-) Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we view each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as well. Who wants to read a drunk's prose? Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com "Gaudeamus igitur, juvenes dum sumus..." http://tinyurl.com/ndmfhb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
On Aug 5, 2009, at 14:28 , Margus Männik wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: IF the K-7 had a bubble level inside, you could expect accurate readings. But it only has a digital IF it has a function like this, it should be accurate. At least as accurate as naked eye. K-7 is a serious tool, not a toy and inaccurate functions are decreasing it's creditability. For an average person the level is real low-tech and so they think: hey, if even the god damn level isn't accurate, there's no sense to talk about the complex functions like image processing. True. My point was that with the price of the camera, you are not paying for a "precise" level. I understand that if the level is not accurate, the "self leveling" function is a waste of time. It's something I just would not use. I have the opportunity to correct horizons in Live View, and again in Aperture if I messed up in my exposure. I know I'm not shooting slides, so I take advantage of the fact that the camera gives me 10% more image than I can see through the finder. I almost always crop to some extent, and straighten using Aperture's infinite rotation capability. As far as the K-7 goes, the sensor has the capability to move in any direction to some degree, with a pre-determined "home" point. I imagine that that home point can be set to most any orientation via some connection to the bottom multi-pin connector. There are far to many pins there for just battery, shutter button, and the other buttons contained on the Battery Grip. I think it allows a factory diagnostic instrument to be connected and many parameters of the camera's firmware that are not available to the user to be set. Using that, there is no reason the sensor, the "bubble" and the Live View grid can't all be made to agree with the optical image in the viewfinder. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Joseph McAllister wrote: >Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we >view each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as >well. Who wants to read a drunk's prose? Hang on a minute... You mean you lot are *sober* when you post this stuff??? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
- Original Message - From: "Margus Männik" Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? IF it has a function like this, it should be accurate. At least as accurate as naked eye. K-7 is a serious tool, not a toy and inaccurate functions are decreasing it's creditability. For an average person the level is real low-tech and so they think: hey, if even the god damn level isn't accurate, there's no sense to talk about the complex functions like image processing. I suspect that the level is more accurate than many of the people who are presuming it is wrong are giving it credit for. Checking it by putting a cheap harware store level across the hot shoe, for example, is not going to give an especially accurate assessment. The level on my camera is bang on the money, as measured by a $50.00 contractor grade precision 12" torpedo level. What I found though, was that I was not able to directly check the level, I had to check it somewhat indirectly to get an accurate reading. If the level is out by a dit or two, it isn't the end of the world, just use the dit that is lit when level as the aim point. Or, you can bitch and whine on the internet if that is what floats your boat, but it isn't as constructive. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we view each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as well. Who wants to read a drunk's prose? Hang on a minute... You mean you lot are *sober* when you post this stuff??? Unfortunately. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: How precise is your K-7's spirit level?
Mine's a long way out It's obvious when looking through the viewfinder or in live view with the grid turned on, but here's a demo with a good quality spirit level (Electronic level says "level"): http://mitch.myzen.co.uk/Levels/K7level1.jpg And spirit level turned through 180 degrees to compensate for any inaccuracie: http://mitch.myzen.co.uk/Levels/K7level2.jpg I don't want to bang on about it, but thought you'd like to see these (which I posted in the other thread on this subject). I didn't buy the K7 for this feature (didn't even know about it until I read the manual) and I'll stop using the feature (or compensate like William says). For landscapes the live view grid is useful - almost as good as the grid screen I had on my Z1P... Chris > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: 06 August 2009 00:37 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? > > > - Original Message - > From: "Margus Männik" > Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? > > > > > IF it has a function like this, it should be accurate. At least as > > accurate as naked eye. K-7 is a serious tool, not a toy and > inaccurate > > functions are decreasing it's creditability. For an average person > the > > level is real low-tech and so they think: hey, if even the god damn > level > > isn't accurate, there's no sense to talk about the complex functions > like > > image processing. > > I suspect that the level is more accurate than many of the people who > are > presuming > it is wrong are giving it credit for. > Checking it by putting a cheap harware store level across the hot shoe, > for > example, is not going to give an especially accurate assessment. > The level on my camera is bang on the money, as measured by a $50.00 > contractor grade precision 12" torpedo level. > What I found though, was that I was not able to directly check the > level, I > had to check it somewhat indirectly to get an accurate reading. > If the level is out by a dit or two, it isn't the end of the world, > just use > the dit that is lit when level as the aim point. > Or, you can bitch and whine on the internet if that is what floats your > boat, but it isn't as constructive. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What is the supposed connection between the level and grid in the viewfinder/Liveview? Most of the time they will not agree and it is perfectly normal AFAICT: camera being level and what's in your viewfinder being level are two completely different things... or I did not get what you were talking about which is absolutely possible. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: > Mine's a long way out It's obvious when looking through the viewfinder or in > live view with the grid turned on, but here's a demo with a good quality > spirit level (Electronic level says "level"): > http://mitch.myzen.co.uk/Levels/K7level1.jpg > > And spirit level turned through 180 degrees to compensate for any > inaccuracie: > http://mitch.myzen.co.uk/Levels/K7level2.jpg > > I don't want to bang on about it, but thought you'd like to see these (which > I posted in the other thread on this subject). I didn't buy the K7 for this > feature (didn't even know about it until I read the manual) and I'll stop > using the feature (or compensate like William says). For landscapes the live > view grid is useful - almost as good as the grid screen I had on my Z1P... > > Chris > > >> -Original Message- >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >> William Robb >> Sent: 06 August 2009 00:37 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Margus Männik" >> Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? >> >> >> >> > IF it has a function like this, it should be accurate. At least as >> > accurate as naked eye. K-7 is a serious tool, not a toy and >> inaccurate >> > functions are decreasing it's creditability. For an average person >> the >> > level is real low-tech and so they think: hey, if even the god damn >> level >> > isn't accurate, there's no sense to talk about the complex functions >> like >> > image processing. >> >> I suspect that the level is more accurate than many of the people who >> are >> presuming >> it is wrong are giving it credit for. >> Checking it by putting a cheap harware store level across the hot shoe, >> for >> example, is not going to give an especially accurate assessment. >> The level on my camera is bang on the money, as measured by a $50.00 >> contractor grade precision 12" torpedo level. >> What I found though, was that I was not able to directly check the >> level, I >> had to check it somewhat indirectly to get an accurate reading. >> If the level is out by a dit or two, it isn't the end of the world, >> just use >> the dit that is lit when level as the aim point. >> Or, you can bitch and whine on the internet if that is what floats your >> boat, but it isn't as constructive. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts Joseph McAllister wrote: >Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we >view each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as >well. Who wants to read a drunk's prose? Hang on a minute... You mean you lot are *sober* when you post this stuff??? That reminds me. I've got to get more coffee. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Lissomness wrote: From: Mark Roberts Joseph McAllister wrote: >Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we >view each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as >well. Who wants to read a drunk's prose? Hang on a minute... You mean you lot are *sober* when you post this stuff??? That reminds me. I've got to get more coffee. I've got coffee, I've run out of filters. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we view each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as well. Who wants to read a drunk's prose? Hang on a minute... You mean you lot are *sober* when you post this stuff??? All bar one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/8/5 Joseph McAllister : > On Aug 5, 2009, at 14:28 , Margus Männik wrote: > >I know I'm not shooting slides, so I > take advantage of the fact that the camera gives me 10% more image than I > can see through the finder. Joseph, The K-7 has a 100% coverage VF. Unlike with the other Pentax DSLRs, WYSIWYG with the K-7. --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/8/5 Joseph McAllister : > Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we view > each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as well. Who wants > to read a drunk's prose? I don't need any central-nervous toxin to come across as plain silly. Apologies, Joe... :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "AlunFoto" I don't need any central-nervous toxin ah, I long for the days when booze was called booze :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: > ah, I long for the days when booze was called booze :-) Well then. How about this..: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/15593755 Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "Ralf R. Radermacher" Christine Aguila wrote: ah, I long for the days when booze was called booze :-) Well then. How about this..: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/15593755 LOL Thanks for posting, Ralf. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > > ah, I long for the days when booze was called booze :-) > > Well then. How about this..: > > http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/770012/display/15593755 > > > > LOL Thanks for posting, Ralf. Cheers, Christine > Can't imagine which nation that's designed to attract to the shop! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: From: "AlunFoto" I don't need any central-nervous toxin ah, I long for the days when booze was called booze :-) I long for the day I could afford booze... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/8/6 Christine Aguila : > > From: "AlunFoto" > >> I don't need any central-nervous toxin > > ah, I long for the days when booze was called booze :-) Well my coffee _is_ quite strong, I suppose... :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 6, 2009, at 09:15 , Miserere wrote: 2009/8/5 Joseph McAllister : On Aug 5, 2009, at 14:28 , Margus Männik wrote: I know I'm not shooting slides, so I take advantage of the fact that the camera gives me 10% more image than I can see through the finder. Joseph, The K-7 has a 100% coverage VF. Unlike with the other Pentax DSLRs, WYSIWYG with the K-7. So give yourself 10% more image than you intend to use. It's a prudent thing to do if you're shooting hand held, and there is no reason not to if you're on a tripod. You can still add the film like "this is the full frame as I shot it" border and we'll never know. I'm just saying! Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:13 , AlunFoto wrote: 2009/8/5 Joseph McAllister : Perhaps it would help if all PDMLers were just a mite tipsy when we view each other's imagery. Might also help us skip the words, as well. Who wants to read a drunk's prose? I don't need any central-nervous toxin to come across as plain silly. Apologies, Joe... :-) From me, or to me? Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as insanity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/8/6 Joseph McAllister : > > So give yourself 10% more image than you intend to use. It's a prudent thing > to do if you're shooting hand held, and there is no reason not to if you're > on a tripod. You can still add the film like "this is the full frame as I > shot it" border and we'll never know. > > I'm just saying! > > Joseph McAllister > Pentaxian > > http://gallery.me.com/jomac > http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html No worries, Joseph, I'm still shooting a K10D! :-) --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Or, you can bitch and whine on the internet if that is what floats your boat, but it isn't as constructive. Absolutely - and that's exactly what all kind of "reviewers" will do until they got next camera or feature to chomp. Personally I don't care much - I managed to survive the Soviet age as a child and most probably a bit inaccurate level will not kill me either. Still I hate when some smart*sses will have ground for whining on a good camera like K-7. BR, Margus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/8/6 Joseph McAllister : >> I don't need any central-nervous toxin to come across as plain silly. >> Apologies, Joe... >> >> :-) > > From me, or to me? hmmm... >From me, anyway. Despite not being British. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Margus Männik" Subject: Re: How precise is your K-7's spirit level? Absolutely - and that's exactly what all kind of "reviewers" will do until they got next camera or feature to chomp. Personally I don't care much - I managed to survive the Soviet age as a child and most probably a bit inaccurate level will not kill me either. Still I hate when some smart*sses will have ground for whining on a good camera like K-7. Fortunately, reviewer idiocy isn't brand specific. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/4/09, Matthew Hunt wrote: > 2009/8/3 Ralf R. Radermacher : > > > > Mine is a good degree off. Way too much. > > > I really wish we could get Frank's input on this. Frank's cameras all lean to the left. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
