Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
I think their scanner is especially crappy. I used to get better results with Kodak 800 color print film scanned with my Scanwit 2720s at 9mp from 35mm film with pretty much any coke bottle bottom I mounted on a Pentax camera. With a good lens much much better, I could easily get excellent 8 x 10 prints. It took a long time to get a DSLR that bettered those results, the *ist-D was on par at lower linear resolution, but it won out because it was so much more convenient. Well scanned 6x7 should blow you away with detail, even with a less than stellar lens. On 7/18/2018 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, they scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and exposure tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be higher resolution than the grain at about 30MP. Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems to be a bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright light. I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more promptly, but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate my K-1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
Yes, but the Spotmatic was an SLR, not a DSLR. That was my point. I purchased my Asahi Spotmatic in 1967. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > I got my first SLR, an Asahi Pentax back in 1969 and they had been around > for awhile then. > > > -Original Message- > >From: "Daniel J. Matyola" > >Subject: Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades > > > >Interesting. When I had my Pentax 6X7, the image quality was outstanding. > >Mostly, however, I made contacts and then had enlargement printed. I had > >only 2 lenses for it, both primes. > > > >Did you really mean to say you had been using DSLR cameras for 45 years? > I > >didn't think they have been around that long. > > > > > >Dan Matyola > >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > >On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago > to > >> finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, > >> they scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. > >> > >> Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and > >> exposure tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be > >> higher resolution than the grain at about 30MP. > >> > >> Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of > using > >> the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality > seems > >> to be a bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really > bright > >> light. I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more > >> promptly, but at the very least, using this is really making me > appreciate > >> my K-1. > >> > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 > >> > >> -- > >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
In 1964 my flight instructor managed a camera store in Madison, WI. He sold me a Honeywell branded Pentax H1a for $150 and I financed it at $10 a month. It was a real step up from my previous camera - an Argus C-3. -p On 7/19/2018 2:48 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I got my first SLR, an Asahi Pentax back in 1969 and they had been around for awhile then. -Original Message- From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades Interesting. When I had my Pentax 6X7, the image quality was outstanding. Mostly, however, I made contacts and then had enlargement printed. I had only 2 lenses for it, both primes. Did you really mean to say you had been using DSLR cameras for 45 years? I didn't think they have been around that long. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, they scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and exposure tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be higher resolution than the grain at about 30MP. Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems to be a bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright light. I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more promptly, but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate my K-1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
I got my first SLR, an Asahi Pentax back in 1969 and they had been around for awhile then. -Original Message- >From: "Daniel J. Matyola" >Subject: Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades > >Interesting. When I had my Pentax 6X7, the image quality was outstanding. >Mostly, however, I made contacts and then had enlargement printed. I had >only 2 lenses for it, both primes. > >Did you really mean to say you had been using DSLR cameras for 45 years? I >didn't think they have been around that long. > > >Dan Matyola >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > >On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to >> finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, >> they scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. >> >> Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and >> exposure tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be >> higher resolution than the grain at about 30MP. >> >> Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using >> the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems >> to be a bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright >> light. I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more >> promptly, but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate >> my K-1. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
I've found the larger the format the more deliberate the process of image creation needs to be. On 7/18/2018 21:15, Larry Colen wrote: Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, they scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and exposure tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be higher resolution than the grain at about 30MP. Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems to be a bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright light. I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more promptly, but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate my K-1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 6:49 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > Frankly, Larry, your choice of subject, focal distance, AND display would > not show any of these advantages, even with the lens I mentioned. Re-reading this, I sound less friendly than I intended so I apologize. I guess that related to what I am trying to say is that if you have a nut to loosen there are multiple tools that might be employed to do the job (crescent wrench, open end wrench, box end wrench, combination wrench (using either the box or open end side), rachet wrench, nut driver, socket set, or even a vise grip. Which one you CAN use in any given situation is going to depend on things like how much space you have to operate in; and it is going to RESULT in things like how long it takes to get the job done (with some methods faster than others). I think photography is kind of the same way. The tool we use camera/format/sensor size/lens focal length/lens aperture/etc are all sort of like that choice of tools to loosen a nut. But sometimes we just look at all cameras as a hammer and then we look at every imagemaking opportunity as a nail. Thinking about what a particular camera/lens/sensor size/focal length/aperture brings to the final image (as opposed to using a different tool) is part of the challenge of getting better than average images. Darren Addy Kearney, NE -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
Interesting. When I had my Pentax 6X7, the image quality was outstanding. Mostly, however, I made contacts and then had enlargement printed. I had only 2 lenses for it, both primes. Did you really mean to say you had been using DSLR cameras for 45 years? I didn't think they have been around that long. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to > finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, > they scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. > > Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and > exposure tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be > higher resolution than the grain at about 30MP. > > Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using > the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems > to be a bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright > light. I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more > promptly, but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate > my K-1. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
You have to mean 2000 dpi. 200 dpi only gives you 450 x 550 on a 2-1/4 x 2-3/4 negative. I think people forget the original “purpose” or reason for larger format (film) a) it requires less enlargement for the same sized print (magnifying fewer of the physical film limitations, like grain) - so is better suited for prints that are going to be wall-sized enlargements. This is not going to be well seen (appreciated) if the display is on your monitor or typical web page display. b) people either forget or don’t know about how DOF is thinner, at equivalent apertures, all other things being equal. This made medium format especially great for portraits & weddings (closer focus photography vs infinity photography). This page well explains this and shows it in the SLOW sign photo, down the page: https://web.archive.org/web/20160819084802/http://silverbased.org/dof-vs-format/ So for example if you think the razor thin DOF of a 50mm f1.2 is great for a shot you can achieve the same look with the 6x7 105mm f2.4 (both wide open, obviously). Frankly, Larry, your choice of subject, focal distance, AND display would not show any of these advantages, even with the lens I mentioned. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
Oh crickey you've reminded me that I still haven't tested out the gizmo that Mark Roberts loaned me to try before I buy !! I suppose the good news is that because we are moving house (slowly!) I will be able to find all my negs in the attic so that I can then put the hardware together, source the software, and then *try* and do some scans. Let it be said the Mark has the patience of a saint. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 7/18/18 8:31 PM: ?? 200 dpi ?? A 200 dpi scan of a 6x7 negative is barely a 0.2 Mpixel output file. You're right, I slipped a decimal place, a common hazard with slipsticks. A typical good scan of a 6x7 negative in a proper film scanner should be at between 2400 and 4000 ppi, netting approximately 5480x6330 pixels (35Mpixel) to 9130x10550 pixels (96 MPixel) resolution. Yup, these are about 6200x5000 pixels. "...the comfortable flow of using the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years..."…! Wow! Pentax has been making DSLRs since 1973? What did they cost back then? I mean the Pentax film SLRs were always considered a bargain… :-) Oops, that was a braino. LOL! Funny typos, Larry. :-) The Pentax 6x7 is a lovely thing, and the results from one should easily stomp a 6 to 12 Mpixel DSLR … but it's a good bit bit more work to use compared to any 35mm derivative SLR (or DSLR), regardless of whether that might be APS-C or FF format. It can produce outstanding results, if you are willing to put in the effort. Either it's worth the effort for you or it isn't. I've got another roll of Porta 400 loaded. Hopefully I'll get more than 7 frames out of it. I guess I must have exposed the start to room light because I only got 7 frames out of the roll, which is kind of rough for $30. I'll try to get this roll through it fairly quickly so I can return the lens to my neighbor and then decided whether to look for a lens for myself or an appreciative home for the body. G On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, they scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and exposure tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be higher resolution than the grain at about 30MP. Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems to be a bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright light. I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more promptly, but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate my K-1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
?? 200 dpi ?? A 200 dpi scan of a 6x7 negative is barely a 0.2 Mpixel output file. A typical good scan of a 6x7 negative in a proper film scanner should be at between 2400 and 4000 ppi, netting approximately 5480x6330 pixels (35Mpixel) to 9130x10550 pixels (96 MPixel) resolution. "...the comfortable flow of using the 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years..."…! Wow! Pentax has been making DSLRs since 1973? What did they cost back then? I mean the Pentax film SLRs were always considered a bargain… :-) LOL! Funny typos, Larry. :-) The Pentax 6x7 is a lovely thing, and the results from one should easily stomp a 6 to 12 Mpixel DSLR … but it's a good bit bit more work to use compared to any 35mm derivative SLR (or DSLR), regardless of whether that might be APS-C or FF format. It can produce outstanding results, if you are willing to put in the effort. Either it's worth the effort for you or it isn't. G > On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to > finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, they > scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. > > Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and exposure > tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be higher > resolution than the grain at about 30MP. > > Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using the > 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems to be a > bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright light. > I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more promptly, > but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate my K-1. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
Just using the camera is a great experience. Enjoy! Paul > On Jul 18, 2018, at 11:02 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: > > Interesting. The price was right, I'm borrowing it from my next door neighbor. > >> On July 18, 2018 7:24:38 PM PDT, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> A clunker. The primes are largely excellent. >> >> Paul >> >>> On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Stenquist wrote on 7/18/18 6:58 PM: What lens was mounted? With the better 6x7 lenses image quality is >> superb. >>> >>> 55-100 f.4.5 >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
Interesting. The price was right, I'm borrowing it from my next door neighbor. On July 18, 2018 7:24:38 PM PDT, Paul Stenquist wrote: >A clunker. The primes are largely excellent. > >Paul > >> On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> >> Paul Stenquist wrote on 7/18/18 6:58 PM: >>> What lens was mounted? With the better 6x7 lenses image quality is >superb. >> >> 55-100 f.4.5 >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A clunker. The primes are largely excellent. Paul > On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote on 7/18/18 6:58 PM: >> What lens was mounted? With the better 6x7 lenses image quality is superb. > > 55-100 f.4.5 > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote on 7/18/18 6:58 PM: What lens was mounted? With the better 6x7 lenses image quality is superb. 55-100 f.4.5 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My first roll of film in a Pentax in decades
What lens was mounted? With the better 6x7 lenses image quality is superb. Paul > On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Last year I was given a Pentax 67, it took me until a couple weeks ago to > finish the first roll of Porta 400. Unfortunately, when Bay scanned it, they > scanned it square, so I need to bring it in for rescanning. > > Here are the photos with the horizon straightened, color balance and exposure > tweaked. They seem to be scanned at about 200dpi which may be higher > resolution than the grain at about 30MP. > > Photographing with this camera doesn't have the comfortable flow of using the > 35mm DSLR that I've had for 45 years. The general image quality seems to be a > bit lower than that of an APS DSLR, except maybe in really bright light. > I've got a second roll of film that I'll try to shoot a lot more promptly, > but at the very least, using this is really making me appreciate my K-1. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157699216746255 > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157612824732477/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
