Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Doug Franklin]

graywolf wrote:
> Actually I have kind of thought on occasion that we should have an 
> ongoing general thread name for all this kind of stuff, but it would 
> just die out and the stuff appear when it did not fit. How could it not?
> 
Thread morphing is an inalienable right, dammit! :-)

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[John Forbes]

I think the question was about the nationality of those born at sea, which  
by definition is not in the US.

John

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:15:45 +0100, Norman Baugher  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Unfortunately, not in the US.
> Norm
>
> From: "graywolf"
>
>> I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not where
>> you were hatched...
>
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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Norman Baugher]

Unfortunately, not in the US.
Norm

From: "graywolf" 

>I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not where 
> you were hatched...



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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Digital Image Studio]

On 22/09/06, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, NZ used to do that until just recently (about a year ago, I
> think), as people were coming here "on holiday" when they just
> happened to be 8.99 months pregnant.

Yes, and then due to AUS/NZ reciprocal agreements they'd claim
residency In Oz :-(

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[David Mann]

On Sep 22, 2006, at 6:59 AM, Bob W wrote:

> Depends. Some places let you have citizenship if you were born there.
> I think I'm entitled to Australian citizenship, but I've never looked
> into it.

Yes, NZ used to do that until just recently (about a year ago, I  
think), as people were coming here "on holiday" when they just  
happened to be 8.99 months pregnant.

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Adam Maas]

Doug Franklin wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
> 
>> [...] 940 ton Flower Class Corvette, which was pretty much the
>> smallest real ocean-going combat vessel.
> 
> For an interesting fictionalized "inside look" at fighting WW2 and the
> North Atlantic in a Corvette, look for a book titled "The Cruel Sea".
> It's apparently been made into a movie, too, and is available on DVD.
>>From my readings of the book several (~ thirty) years ago, it sounded
> like some of the crew members would contest the assertion that they were
> "ocean going". :-)
> 

Barely fictionalized. The author commanded a Flower Class Corvette.

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[graywolf]

Actually I have kind of thought on occasion that we should have an 
ongoing general thread name for all this kind of stuff, but it would 
just die out and the stuff appear when it did not fit. How could it not?

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K.Takeshita wrote:
> On 9/21/06 8:24 PM, "Doug Franklin", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Subject Line?  What's that?  It's where?!  Wow!
> 
> Was just so amused how quickly one subject morphs into completely another.
> Keep on going :-).
> 
> Ken
> 
> 

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[K.Takeshita]

On 9/21/06 8:24 PM, "Doug Franklin", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Subject Line?  What's that?  It's where?!  Wow!

Was just so amused how quickly one subject morphs into completely another.
Keep on going :-).

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Doug Franklin]

K.Takeshita wrote:

> Lo and behold!  I forgot it was the PDML! :-).

Subject Line?  What's that?  It's where?!  Wow!

:-)

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[K.Takeshita]

On 9/21/06 7:59 PM, "Doug Franklin", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> [...] 940 ton Flower Class Corvette, which was pretty much the
>> smallest real ocean-going combat vessel.
> 
> For an interesting fictionalized "inside look" at fighting WW2 and the
> North Atlantic in a Corvette, look for a book titled "The Cruel Sea".

I was not following this thread except for a few first ones.  Since this
thread has been going on for quite some time, I became curious to see if
there might be something I should know about the airport security.

Lo and behold!  I forgot it was the PDML! :-).

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Doug Franklin]

Adam Maas wrote:

> [...] 940 ton Flower Class Corvette, which was pretty much the
> smallest real ocean-going combat vessel.

For an interesting fictionalized "inside look" at fighting WW2 and the
North Atlantic in a Corvette, look for a book titled "The Cruel Sea".
It's apparently been made into a movie, too, and is available on DVD.
>From my readings of the book several (~ thirty) years ago, it sounded
like some of the crew members would contest the assertion that they were
"ocean going". :-)

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Paul Sorenson]

Heeeyyy!!  I resemble that!

-P

Scott Loveless wrote:
> On 9/21/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable place.
>>
>>
> 
> Milwaukee?
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[Cotty]

>>> Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable
>place.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Milwaukee?
>
>Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch, Wales.

If Milwaukee is the arsehole of the Earth, and
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch, Wales is the
putrid contents of same, then Swindon in Wiltshire is the pitiful
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[Cotty]

On 21/9/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>They still run a fast ferry between Holyhead and Dublin, I believe. Next 
>trip over we may fly into Dublin and get the ferry to Wales. Probably 
>less hassle than going through London.

Ahh, this is true. My parents live near Holyhead and have done the day
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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Mark Roberts]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> On 9/21/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable place.
>>
>>
>
> Milwaukee?

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Scott Loveless]

On 9/21/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable place.
>
>

Milwaukee?

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Bob W wrote:
> Depends. Some places let you have citizenship if you were born there.
> I think I'm entitled to Australian citizenship, but I've never looked
> into it. 
> 
> In England you can have citizenship if you're a sportsperson of
> international quality and you, your parents, or any of your ancestors,
> yea even unto the 77th generation, were born in a country whose name
> includes one or more phonemes from any language.
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> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of graywolf
>> Sent: 21 September 2006 15:33
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
>>
>> I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not
> where 
>> you were hatched...
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>> David Mann wrote:
>>> On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
>>> You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.
>>>
>>> What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a 
>> ship in  
>>> international waters?
>>>
>>> - Dave the landlubber
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[Mark Roberts]

Douglas Newman wrote:
 > --- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >> Forget the hovercraft - outdated slow ;-) You want
 >> to go on the sea cat:
 >
 > They don't have those on the Channel any longer,
 > either!
 >
 > Not long after Sea Containers retired the hovercraft,
 > they shut down Hoverspeed entirely and sold the
 > SeaCats elsewhere.
 >
 > The only fast ferry service I can think of on the
 > Channel today is Brittany Ferries'
 > Portsmouth-Cherbourg service:
 > http://www.brittanyferries.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=142

They still run a fast ferry between Holyhead and Dublin, I believe. Next 
trip over we may fly into Dublin and get the ferry to Wales. Probably 
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On 21/9/06, Douglas Newman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Ah, the lovely EMPRESS OF CANADA! One of my favorite
>(and highly under-appreciated) post-war liners. 
>
>She was broken up in 2004, but you can buy a piece of
>her at:
>http://www.midshipcentury.com/empressofcanada.shtml
>
>I highly recommend the book "The Last White Empresses"
>by Clive Harvey, which details the history of this
>ship and her two older half-sisters, EMPRESS OF
>BRITAIN and EMPRESS OF ENGLAND.
>
>The only one still around is the former EMPRESS OF
>BRITAIN, now THE TOPAZ, which celebrates her 50th
>birthday this year. I visited her in June:
>http://shiploverny.smugmug.com/gallery/1582266
>
>She is vastly changed from her original state but
>still a most fascinating vessel.
>
>And I do apologize if anyone is finding this off-topic
>chatter annoying, but on joining I was told that OT
>stuff is welcome at PDML, so there ;-)!

It's my father's 70th birthday soon and you have given me great
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RE: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Bob W]

Depends. Some places let you have citizenship if you were born there.
I think I'm entitled to Australian citizenship, but I've never looked
into it. 

In England you can have citizenship if you're a sportsperson of
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of graywolf
> Sent: 21 September 2006 15:33
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> Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
> 
> I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not
where 
> you were hatched...
> 
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> 
> David Mann wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
> > 
> >> I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
> > 
> > You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.
> > 
> > What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a 
> ship in  
> > international waters?
> > 
> > - Dave the landlubber
> > 
> > 
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[Douglas Newman]

--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Forget the hovercraft - outdated slow ;-) You want
> to go on the sea cat:

They don't have those on the Channel any longer,
either!

Not long after Sea Containers retired the hovercraft,
they shut down Hoverspeed entirely and sold the
SeaCats elsewhere.

The only fast ferry service I can think of on the
Channel today is Brittany Ferries'
Portsmouth-Cherbourg service:
http://www.brittanyferries.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=142

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[Douglas Newman]

--- Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
<< I've also wanted for a long time to do a Europe
trip where I fly in and out of England, and take the
Channel Tunnel in one direction and the hovercraft
ferry in the other >>

I'm afraid you're too late - the hovercraft have been
retired.

Crossing the Channel by hovercraft is one of the
travel experiences I've always wanted to have but
which now seems impossible. The other was crossing the
Atlantic by Concorde...

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[Douglas Newman]

--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Empress of Canada (CP) in 1964, to Montreal.

Ah, the lovely EMPRESS OF CANADA! One of my favorite
(and highly under-appreciated) post-war liners. 

She was broken up in 2004, but you can buy a piece of
her at:
http://www.midshipcentury.com/empressofcanada.shtml

I highly recommend the book "The Last White Empresses"
by Clive Harvey, which details the history of this
ship and her two older half-sisters, EMPRESS OF
BRITAIN and EMPRESS OF ENGLAND.

The only one still around is the former EMPRESS OF
BRITAIN, now THE TOPAZ, which celebrates her 50th
birthday this year. I visited her in June:
http://shiploverny.smugmug.com/gallery/1582266

She is vastly changed from her original state but
still a most fascinating vessel.

And I do apologize if anyone is finding this off-topic
chatter annoying, but on joining I was told that OT
stuff is welcome at PDML, so there ;-)!

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[Adam Maas]

Ah, those are dinky little coastal patrol boats, nothing like the ships 
we were talking about.

An SC is 85 tons, less than 1/10th the size of the 940 ton Flower Class 
Corvette, which was pretty much the smallest real ocean-going combat 
vessel. The Destroyer Escorts which were the US's primary antisubmarine 
ship in similar service were about 1/3 larger at around 1400 tons, 
although later classes would grow as large as 1900 tons in the post-war era.

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Subchasers, have fun,

http://www.splinterfleet.org/

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Adam Maas wrote:
> graywolf wrote:
>> You can tell the old destroyer guys, because they never set their coffee 
>> mug down for fear it will go flying across the room. BTW, I did not know 
>> the RN had destroyers, I thought the RN called that class of ship a 
>> corvette?*
>>
>> *Ah, looked it up a corvette seems to be what we would call a sub-chaser 
>> over here (US), quite a bit smaller than a destroyer. See, I can still 
>> learn something new, so much for that old dogs stuff.
>>
> 
> Actually, the US used Destroyer Escorts. These were equivalent to RN 
> Frigates of the WW2 era, larger than the Corvette (Corvette's were 
> really too small for their job) but smaller than a full-on Destroyer. 
> Sub-Chaser is what they did, not what they were designated as.
> 
> Destroyers were actually invented by the Royal Navy, as their answer to 
> German Torpedo Boats (Originally they were Torpedo Boat Destroyers). The 
> RM currently operates the Type 42 Destroyers, with the Type 45's coming 
> into service in 2009 (the first was launched earlier this year and is 
> fitting out for sea trials). No Blue Water Navy uses Corvette's 
> (Although the current Canadian Kingston-class Patrol Boats are 
> Corvette's in all but name). Several European powers do operate 
> Corvette's, most notably the Swedes, who's Visby class were the first 
> stealth ships to enter active service.
> 
> Modern Destroyers range in size from the Canadian Tribal/Iroquois class 
> (the first really modern DD design, around 4800 tons) through the Flight 
> IIA Arleigh Burke class of the US, Japan and (soon) Australia, which are 
> around 9200 tons. The US is currently working on the Zumwalt class, 
> which is around 13,000 tons, the same size as a New Orleans class heavy 
> Cruiser of WW2 and is 3000 tons heavier than the Ticonderoga-class Cruisers.
> 
> -Adam
> 
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On 22/09/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 

Made in 'Stralia (like Bob W)

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[Adam Maas]

graywolf wrote:
> You can tell the old destroyer guys, because they never set their coffee 
> mug down for fear it will go flying across the room. BTW, I did not know 
> the RN had destroyers, I thought the RN called that class of ship a 
> corvette?*
> 
> *Ah, looked it up a corvette seems to be what we would call a sub-chaser 
> over here (US), quite a bit smaller than a destroyer. See, I can still 
> learn something new, so much for that old dogs stuff.
> 

Actually, the US used Destroyer Escorts. These were equivalent to RN 
Frigates of the WW2 era, larger than the Corvette (Corvette's were 
really too small for their job) but smaller than a full-on Destroyer. 
Sub-Chaser is what they did, not what they were designated as.

Destroyers were actually invented by the Royal Navy, as their answer to 
German Torpedo Boats (Originally they were Torpedo Boat Destroyers). The 
RM currently operates the Type 42 Destroyers, with the Type 45's coming 
into service in 2009 (the first was launched earlier this year and is 
fitting out for sea trials). No Blue Water Navy uses Corvette's 
(Although the current Canadian Kingston-class Patrol Boats are 
Corvette's in all but name). Several European powers do operate 
Corvette's, most notably the Swedes, who's Visby class were the first 
stealth ships to enter active service.

Modern Destroyers range in size from the Canadian Tribal/Iroquois class 
(the first really modern DD design, around 4800 tons) through the Flight 
IIA Arleigh Burke class of the US, Japan and (soon) Australia, which are 
around 9200 tons. The US is currently working on the Zumwalt class, 
which is around 13,000 tons, the same size as a New Orleans class heavy 
Cruiser of WW2 and is 3000 tons heavier than the Ticonderoga-class Cruisers.

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I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not where 
you were hatched...

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David Mann wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
>> I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
> 
> You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.
> 
> What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a ship in  
> international waters?
> 
> - Dave the landlubber
> 
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You will get over it in a couple of days 

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Doug Franklin wrote:
> Douglas Newman wrote:
>> --- Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I don't mind heavy weather but I would certainly not
>> cross the Atlantic in mid-winter in a small ship.
> 
> Actually, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to do it at all.  My longest
> "transit" was a very fair weather run from Port Everglades to Grand
> Bahama and back.  Only about six hours.  On a medium size liner, with
> stabilizers deployed, in seas running only two to four feet, roll just
> barely perceptible, really.  And I still got seasick the instant I
> couldn't see the horizon.  On deck, OK.  Through a hatch, seasick.  Back
> on deck, OK.
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[Cotty]

On 21/9/06, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:

>take the Channel Tunnel in one direction and the hovercraft
>ferry in the other to access the mainland from England.

The Chunnel is brilliant but anticlimactic. The time taken from driving
off the freeway in England, to driving onto the freeway in France can be
as short as 45 minutes. The shortest similar time on the Dover-Calais
ferries is realistically about 3 hours plus. After the train stops and
the doors open, from moving off in first gear, to freeway on-ramp is
about 30 seconds!

Forget the hovercraft - outdated slow ;-) You want to go on the sea cat:



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Mike, it was Liverpool we embarked from and it was July.

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

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You can tell the old destroyer guys, because they never set their coffee 
mug down for fear it will go flying across the room. BTW, I did not know 
the RN had destroyers, I thought the RN called that class of ship a 
corvette?*

*Ah, looked it up a corvette seems to be what we would call a sub-chaser 
over here (US), quite a bit smaller than a destroyer. See, I can still 
learn something new, so much for that old dogs stuff.

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> My father was in the Royal Navy during WWII, and was on destroyers in both 
> Atlantic and Russian convoys at one time or another.  After he left the 
> Navy, he swore he'd never set foot on another ship in his lifetime!  And he 
> pretty well achieved that, apart from occasional ten-minute ferry trips from 
> Portsmouth to Gosport (in southern England).
> I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena on the Capetown Castle - 
> never could make up my mind whether that was a cruise or a voyage.  Seven 
> months later, the ship was decommissioned, but it was still a great 
> experience.  Oh, and the Bay of Biscay, of ill repute, was a pussy cat!
> 
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
> 
> 
>> Douglas Newman wrote:
>>> The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
>>> time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
>>> you're lucky.
>> I've read so many books about the "U-boat War" in the North Atlantic
>> during WW2 that I've always wanted to do a winter crossing.  It'd have
>> to be on something the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though.  No bleedin'
>> way I'm doing that in something the size of a destroyer or frigate or,
>> God forbid, a seagoing tug!  Maybe deck crew for a supertanker or modern
>> aircraft carrier or something else of similar size to decent island.
>>
>> I'll pass on the winter Murmansk run, though. ;-)
>>
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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Doug Franklin]

Douglas Newman wrote:
> --- Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> << Actually, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to do it at
> all. >>
> 
> Don't give up so easily on your dream :-)!
> 
> I know a lot of people who are prone to seasickness
> but still will not be deterred from travelling by sea.


Well, traveling by "sea", for six hours out and six hours back (several
days apart), is one thing.  When the prospect is for six or seven days
of continuous misery, I'm a little more reticent.  And it's really
strange.  As a kid, I suffered from car sickness quite a bit, but that
hasn't happened in many years, and I've never been motion sick in an
airplane, large or small, even in the nastiest weather and turbulence.
I've never been sick on any of the smaller ships or boats I've traveled
on, either.

But that trip to and from Grand Bahama made it clear that I'm running a
risk on a long voyage on a big ship.  Which really sucks.  I've also
wanted for a long time to do a Europe trip where I fly in and out of
England, and take the Channel Tunnel in one direction and the hovercraft
ferry in the other to access the mainland from England.  I've ridden the
TGV from Paris to Rouen before, but I wouldn't mind riding it again.

There are just so many places in Europe that I'd like to go, not to
mention places in the US, that I could spend the rest of my life
visiting them and never see the rest of the world.

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Cotty]

On 21/9/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I remember quite clearly waving them off and watching the Empress moving
>to the middle of the Mersy and anchoring.  We then went past it on the
>ferry back to Birkenhead, even closer than we had been at Pierhead.

Yes, I 'm not sure where we got on, but it stopped at Greenock before
heading west.

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[mike wilson]

I remember quite clearly waving them off and watching the Empress moving to the 
middle of the Mersy and anchoring.  We then went past it on the ferry back to 
Birkenhead, even closer than we had been at Pierhead.
> 
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 09:52:25 GMT
> To: "pentax list" 
> Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
> 
> On 21/9/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Same year my uncle emigrated.  What month?
> 
> I'll have to find out.
> 
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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Cotty]

On 21/9/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Same year my uncle emigrated.  What month?

I'll have to find out.

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 08:12:17 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
> 
> On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
> 
> You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.
> 
> What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a ship in  
> international waters?

Pirate


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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 06:42:07 GMT
> To: "pentax list" 
> Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
> 
> On 20/9/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
> >America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967.
> 
> Just about!  Empress of Canada (CP) in 1964, to Montreal.
> 

Same year my uncle emigrated.  What month?


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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 04:29:09 GMT
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
> 
> --- From: "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena
> > on the Capetown Castle - 
> > never could make up my mind whether that was a
> > cruise or a voyage.  
> 
> Line voyage.
> 
> A good friend of mine was a purserette (as they then
> called female pursers) aboard U-C ships including
> CAPETOWN CASTLE. It would be quite a coincidence if
> you were aboard at the same time!
> 
> She wrote a book called "Union-Castle Purserette"
> which you might enjoy reading.
> 
> One trip I'd really like to take (if I had the time
> and money) would be to St. Helena aboard the last
> working Royal Mail Ship, RMS ST. HELENA
> (http://www.rms-st-helena.co.uk). The few people I
> know who have done it have loved it and to me there is
> something very intriguing about a place that hasn't
> got an airport (yet).
> 
> They were going to build an airport on St. Helena but
> I have now heard that some endangered birds lived on
> the site so they are not going to be building anything
> for the forseeable future. Works for me :-)!

Flannel.  When did wildlife ever (really) stand in front of money?  All three 
tendering contractors withdrew due to ineptitude on behalf of HMG.  They were 
expected to provide hard prices without even being able to get answers about 
the site they were expected to work on.

In true government spin form, the management consultants who "organised" the 
tendering process won a gold award at the Management Consultants Association's 
annual bash for its "multidisciplinary expertise".

Besides, how are pirates expected to make a living when everyone arrives by jet?


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[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:12:17 +0200 schreef David Mann  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
>
>> I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
>
> You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.



> What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a ship in
> international waters?

'Born at sea'. I am rather disappointed the name of the ship isn't  
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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Cotty]

On 21/9/06, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a ship in  
>international waters?

Wet.

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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[David Mann]

On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:

> I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.

You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.

What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a ship in  
international waters?

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Cruising - was Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[John Coyle]

Can you recall her name Doug?  it's unlikely I would remember her, it was a 
long time ago!
Re the airport, the current tenderers have withdrawn because of government 
imposed tender conditions, but the situation is being revisited.  The 
endemic and unique bird may be the Wirebird, which lives only in a small 
area of the island, and quite close to the airport's planned location - mind 
you, most things are close on the island!

If you can do the trip, I highly recommend it: the Saints are terrific 
people, and the scenery is spectacular, as you've probably picked up from 
the web-site - www.sthelena.se is a good intro site, with useful links.

Sorry for the promo, I just loved the place and want more people to know 
about it!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!


> --- From: "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena
>> on the Capetown Castle -
>> never could make up my mind whether that was a
>> cruise or a voyage.
>
> Line voyage.
>
> A good friend of mine was a purserette (as they then
> called female pursers) aboard U-C ships including
> CAPETOWN CASTLE. It would be quite a coincidence if
> you were aboard at the same time!
>
> She wrote a book called "Union-Castle Purserette"
> which you might enjoy reading.
>
> One trip I'd really like to take (if I had the time
> and money) would be to St. Helena aboard the last
> working Royal Mail Ship, RMS ST. HELENA
> (http://www.rms-st-helena.co.uk). The few people I
> know who have done it have loved it and to me there is
> something very intriguing about a place that hasn't
> got an airport (yet).
>
> They were going to build an airport on St. Helena but
> I have now heard that some endangered birds lived on
> the site so they are not going to be building anything
> for the forseeable future. Works for me :-)!
>
> New Doug
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[J and K Messervy]

Geez...what a bunch of old farts!

:)

James
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> Well, I did my first trans-continental flight in 1952, in a DC3, of  
> course.  Beat that.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:07:20 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> >First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
>>> >Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
>>>
>>> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
>>> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
>>> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before
>> Cunard
>>> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
>>> 6-year-old!
>>>
>>
>> I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
>> coming to England from Australia in 1958. Got a photograph of it
>> somewhere, me heading straight for the rails.
>>
>> By the time I was 1 I'd already visited about 10 countries and
>> travelled half way round the world.
>>
>> Bob ("Sea Legs") Pugwash
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[David Savage]

At 02:43 PM 21/09/2006, Cotty wrote:
>On 20/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
> >coming to England from Australia in 1958.
>
>
>Bob - - you're   ***Australian***  ??
>
>
>Oh, I'm so sorry mate.

Yes. Yes you are.

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[Bob W]

> 
> On 20/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
> >coming to England from Australia in 1958.
> 
> 
> Bob - - you're   ***Australian***  ??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Oh, I'm so sorry mate.
> 
> -- 
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Gooday!

I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.

Hooroo!

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[Cotty]

On 20/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
>coming to England from Australia in 1958.


Bob - - you're   ***Australian***  ??





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[Cotty]

On 20/9/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
>America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967.

Just about!  Empress of Canada (CP) in 1964, to Montreal.

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[Douglas Newman]

--- Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< Actually, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to do it at
all. >>

Don't give up so easily on your dream :-)!

I know a lot of people who are prone to seasickness
but still will not be deterred from travelling by sea.

Many people find great relief from the pressure bands
and if they don't work for you, the OTC medication
meclizene is highly effective. (Most liners and cruise
ships will supply it free if you're seasick.)

And if neither of those works, you can always go down
to the surgery to get "the shot". I'm not exactly sure
what it is but apparently it puts you to sleep for
about six hours and then you will be fine for days to
come. Apparently the shot will completely cure even
the worst mal de mer though it is rarely necessary to
resort to such measures.

Personally, I have never encountered even the
slightest bit of seasickness - some of us are just
immune to it. 

The worst weather I've ever encountered was last
August 2005 crossing the North Sea from Rotterdam to
Oslo. It was an overnight passage and I would say that
at one point the seas reached around 40 ft as we had
waves washing up on to the boat deck of the ROTTERDAM
(http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruiseships/Rotterdam).
And no, I don't mean spray; I'm talking green water
here!

I thought it was rather fun but probably some of the
other 1,800 or so passengers and crew aboard were not
thrilled at the prospect!

Anyhow, all this fuss about rough seas is a bit
overblown I suspect; no doubt I am not the only one
who has been through serious turbulence while flying. 
I am not at all a nervous flyer but nonetheless my
comfort level in very rough weather at sea is
definitely higher than in very rough weather in the
air!

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--- From: "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena
> on the Capetown Castle - 
> never could make up my mind whether that was a
> cruise or a voyage.  

Line voyage.

A good friend of mine was a purserette (as they then
called female pursers) aboard U-C ships including
CAPETOWN CASTLE. It would be quite a coincidence if
you were aboard at the same time!

She wrote a book called "Union-Castle Purserette"
which you might enjoy reading.

One trip I'd really like to take (if I had the time
and money) would be to St. Helena aboard the last
working Royal Mail Ship, RMS ST. HELENA
(http://www.rms-st-helena.co.uk). The few people I
know who have done it have loved it and to me there is
something very intriguing about a place that hasn't
got an airport (yet).

They were going to build an airport on St. Helena but
I have now heard that some endangered birds lived on
the site so they are not going to be building anything
for the forseeable future. Works for me :-)!

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[Doug Franklin]

Douglas Newman wrote:
> --- Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I don't mind heavy weather but I would certainly not
> cross the Atlantic in mid-winter in a small ship.

Actually, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to do it at all.  My longest
"transit" was a very fair weather run from Port Everglades to Grand
Bahama and back.  Only about six hours.  On a medium size liner, with
stabilizers deployed, in seas running only two to four feet, roll just
barely perceptible, really.  And I still got seasick the instant I
couldn't see the horizon.  On deck, OK.  Through a hatch, seasick.  Back
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[Douglas Newman]

--- Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
<< I've read so many books about the "U-boat War" in
the North Atlantic during WW2 that I've always wanted
to do a winter crossing.  It'd have to be on something
the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though. >>

I don't mind heavy weather but I would certainly not
cross the Atlantic in mid-winter in a small ship.

Frankly, I'm not sure I'd cross the Atlantic in a
small ship, period.

QM2 hasn't done any winter crossings yet, though I'm
sure she will eventually. Right now they are the sole
province of QE2. 

In 2008 there will be a tandem winter crossing, QE2
and the brand new QUEEN VICTORIA. It will be a seven
day crossing rather than the customary six because
VICTORIA is too slow! (QE2 can do it in five but they
switch to six back in the 1990s because of fuel
costs.) I would not take VICTORIA; she will just be an
ordinary new cruise ship not really made to take that
kind of weather. QE2 is a real ocean liner made to
take the worst the Atlantic can throw at her. (Same
for QM2.)

I will most likely not be doing the 2007 QE2 winter
crossing (damned thing called "money" gets in the way
sometimes) but I do plan on doing the 2008 tandem...
Aboard QE2, of course.

So if you really want to do a winter crossing, start
saving up now. I can tell you one thing; it is a hell
of a lot more fun than crossing by air! And the food
is better too ;-).

<< I'll pass on the winter Murmansk run, though. ;-)
>>

Yes, not even I'm adventurous enough to do that!

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[Kenneth Waller]

>No bleedin' way I'm doing that in something the size of a destroyer or 
>frigate or,
> God forbid, a seagoing tug!

One of my older brothers was on the USS Iowa, BB 62, a Missouri class 
battleship during the late 50's early 60's & has 8mm film of his crossing 
the north Atlantic, taken from several levels above main deck. In some 
scenes, the fore deck disappears under water due to the rolling waves with 
the waves breaking over the front 16" turrets !

Kenneth Waller

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> Douglas Newman wrote:
>> The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
>> time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
>> you're lucky.
>
> I've read so many books about the "U-boat War" in the North Atlantic
> during WW2 that I've always wanted to do a winter crossing.  It'd have
> to be on something the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though.  No bleedin'
> way I'm doing that in something the size of a destroyer or frigate or,
> God forbid, a seagoing tug!  Maybe deck crew for a supertanker or modern
> aircraft carrier or something else of similar size to decent island.
>
> I'll pass on the winter Murmansk run, though. ;-)
>
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[Doug Franklin]

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Modern Destroyers are roughly the size of WWII Cruisers, though more 
> lightly armored.

I wouldn't do a North Atlantic winter crossing in a modern cruiser, much
less a WW2 destroyer, or worse yet, a WW2 corvette.

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[John Coyle]

My father was in the Royal Navy during WWII, and was on destroyers in both 
Atlantic and Russian convoys at one time or another.  After he left the 
Navy, he swore he'd never set foot on another ship in his lifetime!  And he 
pretty well achieved that, apart from occasional ten-minute ferry trips from 
Portsmouth to Gosport (in southern England).
I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena on the Capetown Castle - 
never could make up my mind whether that was a cruise or a voyage.  Seven 
months later, the ship was decommissioned, but it was still a great 
experience.  Oh, and the Bay of Biscay, of ill repute, was a pussy cat!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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> Douglas Newman wrote:
>> The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
>> time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
>> you're lucky.
>
> I've read so many books about the "U-boat War" in the North Atlantic
> during WW2 that I've always wanted to do a winter crossing.  It'd have
> to be on something the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though.  No bleedin'
> way I'm doing that in something the size of a destroyer or frigate or,
> God forbid, a seagoing tug!  Maybe deck crew for a supertanker or modern
> aircraft carrier or something else of similar size to decent island.
>
> I'll pass on the winter Murmansk run, though. ;-)
>
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[Adam Maas]

Depends on the destroyer. The smaller ASW Destroyers like the Canadian 
Tribal's are the size of a Light Cruiser, and similarly carry no armor, 
while an Arleigh Burke is the size of a modern cruiser (They're 
essentially the same size as a Ticonderoga) or a WW2 Heavy Cruiser but 
carries no armor, while a Heavy Cruiser (apart from the lightly armored 
Treay Cruisers of the late 20's and 30's) carried notable amounts of 
armor. The only armored ships in common service today are Carriers.

These days role determines the designation, although this does vary by 
Navy. Destroyers are general purpose combatants, Cruisers are fleet 
command ships and Frigates are light combatants or dedicated ASW platforms.

-Adam

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Modern Destroyers are roughly the size of WWII Cruisers, though more 
> lightly armored.
> 
> 
> Doug Franklin wrote:
> 
>> Douglas Newman wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
>>> time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
>>> you're lucky.
>>>
>>>
>> I've read so many books about the "U-boat War" in the North Atlantic
>> during WW2 that I've always wanted to do a winter crossing.  It'd have
>> to be on something the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though.  No bleedin'
>> way I'm doing that in something the size of a destroyer or frigate or,
>> God forbid, a seagoing tug!  Maybe deck crew for a supertanker or modern
>> aircraft carrier or something else of similar size to decent island.
>>
>> I'll pass on the winter Murmansk run, though. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
> 
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[P. J. Alling]

Modern Destroyers are roughly the size of WWII Cruisers, though more 
lightly armored.


Doug Franklin wrote:

>Douglas Newman wrote:
>  
>
>>The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
>>time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
>>you're lucky.
>>
>>
>
>I've read so many books about the "U-boat War" in the North Atlantic
>during WW2 that I've always wanted to do a winter crossing.  It'd have
>to be on something the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though.  No bleedin'
>way I'm doing that in something the size of a destroyer or frigate or,
>God forbid, a seagoing tug!  Maybe deck crew for a supertanker or modern
>aircraft carrier or something else of similar size to decent island.
>
>I'll pass on the winter Murmansk run, though. ;-)
>
>  
>


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[Doug Franklin]

Douglas Newman wrote:

> [...] it is also the 39th
> anniversary of the launching of QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 at
> John Brown & Company, Clydebank.

Ironically enough, I was there to see the last craft launched from the
construction docks at Clydebank in 1994 or 1995.  At least that was the
story then.  Someone may have reopened the construction docks since, but
the shutdown was huge news around Clydebank, Glasgow, and environs at
the time.

I say last "craft" instead of last "ship" because the last seagoing
craft launched was a North Sea oil rig.  I've got photos of it
somewhere.  I was doing a computer system installation a couple of miles
downriver at a then new hospital that was right on the banks of the Clyde.

The thing was so big that it seemed like they only had a couple or three
meters of clearance to the banks.  They had to time their transit to
open water to the low tide.  At one bridge in particular, they pulled up
short and held position and the captain of the lead tug (5-7 were
working that thing downriver) stared down at the waters of the Clyde
until that momentary pause when the tide reverses.  Then all of the tugs
laid on every ounce of engine they had and ripped the rig under the
bridge as fast as they could.

Quite an impressive show, all around.

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[Doug Franklin]

Douglas Newman wrote:
> The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
> time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
> you're lucky.

I've read so many books about the "U-boat War" in the North Atlantic
during WW2 that I've always wanted to do a winter crossing.  It'd have
to be on something the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though.  No bleedin'
way I'm doing that in something the size of a destroyer or frigate or,
God forbid, a seagoing tug!  Maybe deck crew for a supertanker or modern
aircraft carrier or something else of similar size to decent island.

I'll pass on the winter Murmansk run, though. ;-)

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[Douglas Newman]

--- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< I probably represent the last generation ever to
emigrate to America by ship. >>

Well, by 1967, not only were few people emigrating to
America by ship, but few people were emigrating from
Western Europe to America by any means, except perhaps
some from Southern Italy (I assume you are not, in
fact, Southern Italian given that you are a "Roberts",
but one never knows).

The last emigrants to America by ship probably came
over in the 1970s largely from Southern Italy before
Italian Line/"Italia" ended their North Atlantic
service.

<< We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship
made before Cunard Lines ended transatlantic service.
>>

Cunard never ended Transatlantic service - it
continues to this day.

Cunard became the only shipping line to operate a
regular North Atlantic passenger service in 1987 after
Gdynia-America Line withdrew their last ship, STEFAN
BATORY, which operated on the Gdynia-Montreal service.

QUEEN ELIZABETH didn't retire until October 1968. MARY
retired a year earlier, in 1967. The service was
resumed in April 1969 when QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 entered
service, and she ran it until 2004 when she was
(mostly) replaced by QM2. (However, QE2 still does
occasional crossings, in addition to her now more
usual cruises.) 

Actually, QE2 made visit to New York yesterday, though
this was part of a round-trip cruise from Southampton
to various Eastern US and Canadian ports. It is
relatively rare these days to have her on these
shores; generally she visits four or five times a year
now that QM2 has become Cunard's regular Atlantic
liner.

I might also add that today (20 September) is also a
big anniversary in Cunard history - or really, two big
anniversaries. For one, it is the 100th anniversary of
the launching of MAURETANIA (I) at Swan, Hunter &
Wigham Richardson,  Wallsend; it is also the 39th
anniversary of the launching of QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 at
John Brown & Company, Clydebank.

--- "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard
the Strathnaver coming to England from Australia in
1958. >>

Well now, I suppose the only person who could beat you
would be someone BORN at sea! (And through the
Internet I have met no fewer than TWO people who were
born on line voyages from Italy to Australia, aboard
the same ship with the same Captain, though not on the
same voyage!)

Doug

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[Scott Loveless]

On 9/20/06, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> > Norman Baugher wrote:
> >
> >> From: "Mark Roberts"
> >>> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
> >>> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
> >>> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before
> >>> Cunard
> >>> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
> >>> 6-year-old!
> >>
> >> You're that old Mark?
> >
> > No, they kept me in cold storage through the 1970's so I wouldn't age.
> >
> > --
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>
> what a coincidence. I was pickled throughout most of the seventies.

I never would have guessed.

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[Doug Brewer]

On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Norman Baugher wrote:
>
>> From: "Mark Roberts"
>>> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
>>> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
>>> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before  
>>> Cunard
>>> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
>>> 6-year-old!
>>
>> You're that old Mark?
>
> No, they kept me in cold storage through the 1970's so I wouldn't age.
>
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what a coincidence. I was pickled throughout most of the seventies.

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[John Forbes]

Well, I did my first trans-continental flight in 1952, in a DC3, of  
course.  Beat that.

John


On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:07:20 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>
>> >First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
>> >Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
>>
>> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
>> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
>> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before
> Cunard
>> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
>> 6-year-old!
>>
>
> I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
> coming to England from Australia in 1958. Got a photograph of it
> somewhere, me heading straight for the rails.
>
> By the time I was 1 I'd already visited about 10 countries and
> travelled half way round the world.
>
> Bob ("Sea Legs") Pugwash
>
>
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[John Forbes]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:07:20 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>
>> >First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
>> >Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
>>
>> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
>> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
>> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before
> Cunard
>> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
>> 6-year-old!
>>
>
> I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
> coming to England from Australia in 1958. Got a photograph of it
> somewhere, me heading straight for the rails.
>
> By the time I was 1 I'd already visited about 10 countries and
> travelled half way round the world.
>
> Bob ("Sea Legs") Pugwash
>
>
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[Mark Roberts]

Norman Baugher wrote:

>From: "Mark Roberts" 
>> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
>> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
>> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before Cunard
>> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
>> 6-year-old!
>
>You're that old Mark?

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[Bob W]

> 
> >First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
> >Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
> 
> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before
Cunard
> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
> 6-year-old!
>  

I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
coming to England from Australia in 1958. Got a photograph of it
somewhere, me heading straight for the rails.

By the time I was 1 I'd already visited about 10 countries and
travelled half way round the world.

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[Norman Baugher]

You're that old Mark?
Norm

From: "Mark Roberts" 
> Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
> America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
> was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before Cunard
> Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an adventure for a
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[Mark Roberts]

Douglas Newman wrote:

>First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
>Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.

Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before Cunard
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[Douglas Newman]

--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< The North Atlantic is a dark and stormy sea in the
wintertime. >>

The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
you're lucky.

<< Thank you for joining out "Masochists Special"
winter cruise." >>

First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.

BIG difference.

And there is actually a sizeable group of people who
routinely cross the North Atlantic in wintertime just
for fun. It's unofficially known as the "Winter
Crossing Club". 

You see, every year, the grande dame of the seas, RMS
QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 (which was launched 39 years ago
today) does one mid-winter crossing, westbound from
Southampton to New York. Previously it was a
positioning voyage to get to New York before her
annual Christmas cruise from New York to the
Caribbean; now the Christmas cruise is done by the new
QUEEN MARY 2 so it is in early January, after a
Christmas cruise from Southampton to the Canaries, and
it forms the first leg of the annual World Cruise.

A pretty big group of people have made a habit of
taking this crossing pretty much every year. Most of
them are ship buffs (like me - see my e-mail address)
and it has become a major social event of the year for
Club members.

After hearing about it for years from friends, I
finally made my first winter crossing this past
January. Paradoxically, the weather was fine! It got
into the 50˚F range during the day and we had only
one night of moderately rough seas (perhaps 15-20 ft).
A lot of people were quite disappointed. However,
weather this good is certainly unusual on the North
Atlantic in January.

As for icebergs; you will not see them on the Atlantic
in winter... The ice comes out in the SPRING when
things start melting up in Greenland! Note that the
TITANIC hit that famous berg in April... Not the
middle of winter.

<< it may just be that there is a market for
passengers who want to bring their swiss army knife
and laptop battery with them. >>

Laptop battery, yes. Swiss Army Knife... I'm not sure.


This past January, the eminent maritime historian John
Maxtone-Graham tried to bring his sgian dubh aboard,
as part of his Scottish Highland formalwear. They
wouldn't let him. But then, there's a big difference
between a sgian dubh and a Swiss Army Knife...

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[graywolf]

The North Atlantic is a dark and stormy sea in the wintertime. Not the 
place for those who get sea sick, nor those who hate snow, sleet, and ice.

"There will be ice skating on the shuffle board court, and we will pay 
passengers $20 a day to use deck chairs so they do not blow away. We do 
regret that the U-Boat is froze in so there will not be a torpedo attack 
this trip, however you can get a through whipping in the gym by our 
expert torturers. Thank you for joining out "Masochists Special" winter 
cruise."

On the other hand, it may just be that there is a market for passengers 
who want to bring their swiss army knife and laptop battery with them.

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>> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 11:25:18 GMT
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>> Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?
> 
> People are scared of icebergs.  Don't they know modern ships are unsinkable?  
> They should trust technology - it knows what it's doing.
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Where have I heard that one before? Oh yes, Titanic...

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>> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 11:25:18 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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>>
>> Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?
> 
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> They should trust technology - it knows what it's doing.
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> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 11:25:18 GMT
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> Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?

People are scared of icebergs.  Don't they know modern ships are unsinkable?  
They should trust technology - it knows what it's doing.


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Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?

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Cotty wrote:
> On 19/9/06, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> You might want to book your travel arrangements for GFM now.
>>
>> http://cruises.affordabletours.com/Transatlantic/
> 
> 
> 
> Oh I get it - a wise guy huh!!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Cotty]

On 19/9/06, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You might want to book your travel arrangements for GFM now.
>
>http://cruises.affordabletours.com/Transatlantic/



Oh I get it - a wise guy huh!!





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Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!

[Scott Loveless]

On 9/19/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could be useful info for travellers:
>
> 
>
>
You might want to book your travel arrangements for GFM now.

http://cruises.affordabletours.com/Transatlantic/

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