Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Rob Studdert]

I still have three scanners, LS8000 for roll film, V700 for generating
contact sheets, rough scans and 4x5+. For 35mm film stocks I use a
dedicated 35mm scanner which is optimised for the task, it's a Konica
Minolta DiMAGE Scan Elite 5400 II, it's the bee's knees, that said any
scanning is a PITA. If you throw good $$$ at a decent scanner it's
pretty easy to get similar money back when you're done, cheap rental
really.





On 9 April 2017 at 06:36, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
>
>>On 7/4/17, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>The 2012 MacBook Pro should have a Firewire 800 port & I found a SCSI to
>>>Firewire adapter at Amazon
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/Systems-FR1SX-FireWire-Converter-IEEE1394/dp/
>>B6BANR
>>
>>WOW those FR1SX doodads are bloody expensive.
>
> Not if you buy the one I'm not using any more...
> Email me.
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[John Sessoms]

Woah! I didn't even look at the price.

On 4/8/2017 14:12, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 7/4/17, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:


The 2012 MacBook Pro should have a Firewire 800 port & I found a SCSI to
Firewire adapter at Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Systems-FR1SX-FireWire-Converter-IEEE1394/dp/

B6BANR

WOW those FR1SX doodads are bloody expensive.


There may also be SCSI to USB or SCSI to Thunderbolt adapters that will
work.


I found this (link leads to eBay page)



Anyone know if this will do what i want ? Granted it will be slow



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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Mark Roberts]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

>On 7/4/17, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>The 2012 MacBook Pro should have a Firewire 800 port & I found a SCSI to
>>Firewire adapter at Amazon
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/Systems-FR1SX-FireWire-Converter-IEEE1394/dp/
>B6BANR
>
>WOW those FR1SX doodads are bloody expensive.

Not if you buy the one I'm not using any more...
Email me.
 
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/4/17, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The 2012 MacBook Pro should have a Firewire 800 port & I found a SCSI to
>Firewire adapter at Amazon
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Systems-FR1SX-FireWire-Converter-IEEE1394/dp/
B6BANR

WOW those FR1SX doodads are bloody expensive.

>There may also be SCSI to USB or SCSI to Thunderbolt adapters that will 
>work.

I found this (link leads to eBay page)



Anyone know if this will do what i want ? Granted it will be slow

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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/4/17, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It should work.
>
>According to Hamrick's website there's a VueScan version for Apple OS-X
>that supports the Nikon LS-1000
>
>https://www.hamrick.com/support/how-to-guides/how-to-install-vuescan-on-
>mac-os-x.html
>
>http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/nikon_ls_1000.html#technical-information
>
>The 2012 MacBook Pro should have a Firewire 800 port & I found a SCSI to
>Firewire adapter at Amazon
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Systems-FR1SX-FireWire-Converter-IEEE1394/dp/
B6BANR
>
>There may also be SCSI to USB or SCSI to Thunderbolt adapters that will 
>work.

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RE: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[John Coyle]

I still have a ScanWit 720 scanner, but have been unable to find SCSI/USB 
linking cables for it, and
the original SCSI PCI card software will not install in later PC's.  It's now 
gathering dust in my
garage, waiting for me to think of a miracle solution!
OTOH, the Epson V500 does the same job really well, with either the Epson 
software or Vuescan.


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Subject: Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

A long time ago, it seems, I bought an ACER ScanWit 2720s.  It's a SCSI 
interface device, and while
it's supplied software is hopelessly dated, there is third party software, 
(ViewScan), that will
actually give better scans, taking full advantage of the hardware, which the 
original software never
did.  It got very good reviews for it's output, and specifications equaled or 
bettered much more
expensive units, (when I bought it they were available new for approximately 
$300).  It produced a
9mp scans which I saved as TIFF files and corrected in Photoshop.

There are four notable drawbacks to it.

   It's limited to 35mm filmstrips or slides of 24x36mm mounted in standard 
mounts, you can scan
smaller but not larger so superslides are out thought I think 126 slides will 
work though the
software didn't support it, (110 format slides scanned well, but at a greatly 
reduced resolution of
course, I wish I had a few samples but all those scans disappeared in a hard 
drive crash).

  The slide and film carriers are made entirely out of plastic, and since 
the original
manufacturer sold out to BANQ the scanner, and it's bigger brother, 2047s which 
included digital
ICE, are long discontinued so parts including new carriers are made of 
unobtainable.

  Scanning speeds are oow, so bulk scanning is problematic, 
though how much of
that was due to the limitations of PC hardware at the time is a question, (I 
doubt that the scanner
has a particularly large or even any actual buffer built in.

  Finally reading the specifications, I'm not at all sure that it would 
actually outperform a
current Epson Perfection V550 or V600 which 
will scan up to 6x9cm slides and negatives.   So the effort to getting 
either ScanWit up and running on modern hardware on a modern OS may not be 
worth the effort,
especially as you'd actually have to find one, but if you're interested Amazon 
has on in their
warehouse used for only $127.00


On 4/7/2017 11:45 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
> and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, 
> some of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
> scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide 
> scanners.
>
> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you 
> have gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner.
> I'd appreciate any guidance.
>


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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[John Sessoms]

I'm working my way through my own old film & a family archive. I don't
think it would be cost effective to send the work out because it's in so
many different forms.

I have 35mm slides & negatives of my own along with 120 transparencies &
negatives and 4x5 transparencies & negatives.

The family archive consists of 35mm plus 126/127 negatives along with a
few 8x10 negatives from when my grandmother had a studio back in the
1920s. I also have a lot of old prints (1940s through 1970s) for which I
have no negatives.

I'm using the Nikon CoolScan IV ED (LS-40) for all the 35mm & an Epson
V750-M Pro for the others.

I can go through a roll while sitting here at the computer doing other
things on-line.

A couple of problems I've run into & had to solve -

A lot of my old slides & negatives are survivors from Hurricane Fran and
REALLY nasty. The best tool I've found for cleaning them are flushable
baby wipes. If I need to I can scrub fairly hard without scratching the
film. And I don't have to take old Kodachrome out of paper mounts.

Once I have them clean I take my hair dryer and blow dry them on the
lowest setting. That seems to cause the surface of the emulsion to
smooth out. I try not to let the slide get too hot. Doesn't get all the
dirt off of them, but it gets them clean enough that VueScan's IR Clean
can handle it.

The other thing is I'm finding rolls of film that were never cut into
strips. They were rolled up inside film canisters & left for years. I
have a container of Kodak Photo-Flow mixed & I soak the coiled film in
it for a while & then hang it over the bathtub with weights to
straighten it out while it dries. I use the flushable baby wipes to
squeegee it & again blow dry it with a low setting on my hair dryer.

I found a Matin film cutter on Amazon that gives me a lot more precision
than I ever had when I was cutting strips with scissors.

I'm saving everything from VueScan as .DNG files (which I think are just
a wrapper around 16 bit Tiffs).

On 4/7/2017 16:04, Mark C wrote:

Depends on what you want to use the scans for. If you are digitizing a
family archive or plan to just use the scans for web use a V600 might be
fine. Or as others have suggested, use a service. If you are doing
higher end work I would look at a V800 or V850.

I'm using a Nikon LS8000 for 35mm and 120 scans. When it dies I plan to
go with an Epson 800 or 850. But - I only scan negatives these days (B
and color) - no slides. Slides are more demanding, though I expect that
the V800/850 could handle them fine. I don't know about the V600 and
slide film.

- Mark


On 4/7/2017 11:45 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera
and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides,
some of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe
scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide
scanners.

So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you
have gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner.
I'd appreciate any guidance.






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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[John Sessoms]

It should work.

According to Hamrick's website there's a VueScan version for Apple OS-X
that supports the Nikon LS-1000

https://www.hamrick.com/support/how-to-guides/how-to-install-vuescan-on-mac-os-x.html

http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/nikon_ls_1000.html#technical-information

The 2012 MacBook Pro should have a Firewire 800 port & I found a SCSI to
Firewire adapter at Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Systems-FR1SX-FireWire-Converter-IEEE1394/dp/B6BANR

There may also be SCSI to USB or SCSI to Thunderbolt adapters that will 
work.


On 4/7/2017 18:49, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 7/4/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


I bought a Nikon LS1000


I've got Nikon Coolscan LS1000 I would love to use it again - any
workarounds so I can hook it up to my MacBook Pro 2012

:-(



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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>
> And after I read your post, I thought maybe instead of scanning slides, it 
> might be more fun
> to secure a slide projector and have slide show night [...] I just may follow 
> my own advice here
> —secure a good working slide projector—and invite people over.

Good luck on finding a working slide projector. You could be forced to
scan the slides and use an LCD projector. I have two old Kodak
Carousels in the basement, neither working. The mechanisms get jammed
over time and become quite useless. Even the bulbs are getting scarce.

I'm thinking about that slide scanning service myself now.

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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Doug:

I own the Epson 600, but ironically I have used it way more for document scans 
than photos and slides.  I have tried some slide test scans, and I find the 
quality ok, not great.  I think the 600 is pretty decent for scanning print 
photos though.

But the real reason for my response is twofold:

1) If I had a slide and I wanted a print, I’d take the slide to a place that 
makes prints from the slide—like in the old days.  I don’t know that I’d want 
to fuss around with scanning a bunch of slides, and if I had to do a lot, I’d 
use a service, provided I had the money.

2) When I read your post, I thought of all my dad’s slides and the family slide 
projector and all the nights when the family sat around with popcorn viewing 
the slides.  That was a lot of fun.  And after I read your post, I thought 
maybe instead of scanning slides, it might be more fun to secure a slide 
projector and have slide show night—invite people over—family and friends—order 
a pizza—have some laughs and giggles.  And if folks want a print or two, start 
a list, nothing extensive, and use a service to make them a nice print. With my 
own dad’s passing, I just may follow my own advice here—secure a good working 
slide projector—and invite people over.

Cheers, Christine




> On Apr 7, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera and 
> Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some of which 
> are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe scanning some of 
> them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
> 
> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have gone 
> down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd appreciate 
> any guidance.
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/4/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I bought a Nikon LS1000

I've got Nikon Coolscan LS1000 I would love to use it again - any
workarounds so I can hook it up to my MacBook Pro 2012

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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> It is far more practical if you have several dozens or even hundreds of 
>> frames to scan is to wrap them up and send them off to someone like 
>> http://www.scancafe.com … They'll do as good a job as you will 90-98% of the 
>> time and whatever they charge is a FAR better use of your money and time 
>> than buying a scanner.
>>
>
>My grief with scancafe is that it costs twice as much to get tiffs as it 
>does to get jpegs.  Sure, I'm mostly interested in the quick scan to see 
>which photos are worth going deep and getting good scans, but it's no 
>more work to scan them as Tiff as jpeg.

Good point. (Though I'd be willing to pay the extra if the TIFFs are
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



I have been scanning film since the early 1990s and have had quite a few 
scanners, both negative and flatbed, over the years. Since about 2006, I've 
owned and used the Nikon Coolscan IV and Coolscan V extensively. Either of them 
with the automated 35mm feeder can scan a 6 frame strip very effectively in 
batch mode using VueScan.

But…

The process is *NEVER* fast. A thirty six exposure roll is an hour or two worth 
of work. A thirty six exposure roll of mounted slides is about four times that 
because you can only load them one at a time. Add time if you select 
individually which frames you want to scan, and if you want perfectly scanned, 
usable, balanced JPEGs to pop out of the scanner with no further editing 
required—lots of time.

It is far more practical if you have several dozens or even hundreds of frames 
to scan is to wrap them up and send them off to someone like 
http://www.scancafe.com … They'll do as good a job as you will 90-98% of the 
time and whatever they charge is a FAR better use of your money and time than 
buying a scanner.



My grief with scancafe is that it costs twice as much to get tiffs as it 
does to get jpegs.  Sure, I'm mostly interested in the quick scan to see 
which photos are worth going deep and getting good scans, but it's no 
more work to scan them as Tiff as jpeg.



Buy and use a scanner when you have specific things that you want to do with 
film photography that requires your personal control of the scanning process. 
Buy a scanning service when you want to convert an archive of older film images 
to digital in order that you can see them and share them.

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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

I have a lot of family slides from when I was kid. Stereorealist. So I 
figured someday when I am older and have more time, I would sit down and 
cut them in half and scan them. I can do about 8-12 at a time (don't 
remember) on the flat bed. It does do a good job and I wouldn't expect 
the highest quality (they didn't start as high quality anyway).


Of course, I am older now, and I find that now I don't actually have the 
time to do this. (Maybe when even older.)


OTOH, I am not sure these old family photos (many not of people but 
places we visited) are worth spending a chunk of change on either.


Marnie (aka Doe)

On 4/7/2017 9:10 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I have a vast collection of my own and my father-in-law’s slides and negatives 
in 35mm and medium formats. Every few months I spend some time scanning, get 
bored, and move on to something else. At some point I will give up and send 
them off for someone else to do…

stan


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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Paul Stenquist]

I’ve found the V850 Pro to be the equal of the Nikon Coolscans, which I’ve used 
many times. Some reviewers have as well. YMMV.
Paul

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Absolutely true, but no flatbed scanner produces the scan quality of a 
> dedicated film scanner. All of these things are tradeoffs at one level or 
> another. 
> 
> I have had four pro-grade flatbed scanners (including two Epsons, up to the 
> V750 model, and one with true glassless film carrier capabilities, can't 
> remember the name now). NONE produce the scan quality of the Nikon Coolscan V 
> or SuperCoolscan 9000. Film scanners are simply much better at this and 
> produce better results. That's why I still have the Nikons and all those 
> flatbeds are long gone.
> 
> Whether the results are good enough for your purposes … That's a different 
> matter and up to you to judge. 
> If it is, life is good… and you can still get new ones. They're certainly 
> good enough for a lot of purposes. :-)
> 
> G
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> With the Epson V850 Pro I can scan a dozen transparencies in about 20 
>> minutes, and I can load 24 at a time. It’s a pretty efficient way to go. 
>> 
>> Paul
>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
 
> On 07 April 2017 at 16:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
> and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
> of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
> scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide 
> scanners.
> 
> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
> gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
> appreciate any guidance.
 
 My observation of this phenomenon over the past few years leads me to 
 believe,
 from other folks' scribblings, that the best way to do it is to pay someone
 else.
>>> 
>>> I agree. 
>>> 
>>> I have been scanning film since the early 1990s and have had quite a few 
>>> scanners, both negative and flatbed, over the years. Since about 2006, I've 
>>> owned and used the Nikon Coolscan IV and Coolscan V extensively. Either of 
>>> them with the automated 35mm feeder can scan a 6 frame strip very 
>>> effectively in batch mode using VueScan. 
>>> 
>>> But…
>>> 
>>> The process is *NEVER* fast. A thirty six exposure roll is an hour or two 
>>> worth of work. A thirty six exposure roll of mounted slides is about four 
>>> times that because you can only load them one at a time. Add time if you 
>>> select individually which frames you want to scan, and if you want 
>>> perfectly scanned, usable, balanced JPEGs to pop out of the scanner with no 
>>> further editing required—lots of time. 
>>> 
>>> It is far more practical if you have several dozens or even hundreds of 
>>> frames to scan is to wrap them up and send them off to someone like 
>>> http://www.scancafe.com … They'll do as good a job as you will 90-98% of 
>>> the time and whatever they charge is a FAR better use of your money and 
>>> time than buying a scanner. 
>>> 
>>> Buy and use a scanner when you have specific things that you want to do 
>>> with film photography that requires your personal control of the scanning 
>>> process. Buy a scanning service when you want to convert an archive of 
>>> older film images to digital in order that you can see them and share them. 
>>> 
>>> G
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Absolutely true, but no flatbed scanner produces the scan quality of a 
dedicated film scanner. All of these things are tradeoffs at one level or 
another. 

I have had four pro-grade flatbed scanners (including two Epsons, up to the 
V750 model, and one with true glassless film carrier capabilities, can't 
remember the name now). NONE produce the scan quality of the Nikon Coolscan V 
or SuperCoolscan 9000. Film scanners are simply much better at this and produce 
better results. That's why I still have the Nikons and all those flatbeds are 
long gone.

Whether the results are good enough for your purposes … That's a different 
matter and up to you to judge. 
If it is, life is good… and you can still get new ones. They're certainly good 
enough for a lot of purposes. :-)

G

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> With the Epson V850 Pro I can scan a dozen transparencies in about 20 
> minutes, and I can load 24 at a time. It’s a pretty efficient way to go. 
> 
> Paul
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
>>> 
 On 07 April 2017 at 16:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:
 
 
 I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
 and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
 of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
 scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide 
 scanners.
 
 So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
 gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
 appreciate any guidance.
>>> 
>>> My observation of this phenomenon over the past few years leads me to 
>>> believe,
>>> from other folks' scribblings, that the best way to do it is to pay someone
>>> else.
>> 
>> I agree. 
>> 
>> I have been scanning film since the early 1990s and have had quite a few 
>> scanners, both negative and flatbed, over the years. Since about 2006, I've 
>> owned and used the Nikon Coolscan IV and Coolscan V extensively. Either of 
>> them with the automated 35mm feeder can scan a 6 frame strip very 
>> effectively in batch mode using VueScan. 
>> 
>> But…
>> 
>> The process is *NEVER* fast. A thirty six exposure roll is an hour or two 
>> worth of work. A thirty six exposure roll of mounted slides is about four 
>> times that because you can only load them one at a time. Add time if you 
>> select individually which frames you want to scan, and if you want perfectly 
>> scanned, usable, balanced JPEGs to pop out of the scanner with no further 
>> editing required—lots of time. 
>> 
>> It is far more practical if you have several dozens or even hundreds of 
>> frames to scan is to wrap them up and send them off to someone like 
>> http://www.scancafe.com … They'll do as good a job as you will 90-98% of the 
>> time and whatever they charge is a FAR better use of your money and time 
>> than buying a scanner. 
>> 
>> Buy and use a scanner when you have specific things that you want to do with 
>> film photography that requires your personal control of the scanning 
>> process. Buy a scanning service when you want to convert an archive of older 
>> film images to digital in order that you can see them and share them. 
>> 
>> G
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Mark C]

The Nikonscan hack is pretty useful. About a year ago I retired my XP 
machine and installed Nikonscan on a Win 10 x64 box. The hack works fine 
on Win10 though I had to temporarily disable WIn10's requirement that 
all drivers be digitally signed. Vuescan is a great optionand I use it 
for 35mm scanning,  but on the LS8000, when using 120 film, aligning 
frames in Vuescan is a royal PITA. Nikon scan, as dated as it is, does 
automatically detect frames.



On 4/7/2017 1:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

I have a Nikon Coolscan IV ED.

It came with two heads; "MA-20 Slide Mount Adapter" for slides & "SA-20
Strip Film Adapter" for film strips. It also had an accessory "Strip
Film Holder FH-3" that allows you to scan strips of up to 6 frames using
the slide head.

The Nikon scan software hasn't been updated since Windoze XP, but
there's a hack out there that will allow it to work with Windows 7.
OTOH, VueScan supports that model & works just fine on Windows 7.

If you're going to buy a used one from eBay or Amazon, you want to make
sure it includes the FH-3, because buying an FH-3 separately will set
you back almost as much as the scanner itself.

I still use mine frequently as I slowly digitize the remnants of my old
film. I scanned "Memphis Belle" for the 20th Anniversary PUG from an old
Kodachrome slide.

On 4/7/2017 11:45, Doug Brewer wrote:

I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera
and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some
of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe
scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide
scanners.

So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have
gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd
appreciate any guidance.






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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Mark C]

Depends on what you want to use the scans for. If you are digitizing a 
family archive or plan to just use the scans for web use a V600 might be 
fine. Or as others have suggested, use a service. If you are doing 
higher end work I would look at a V800 or V850.


I'm using a Nikon LS8000 for 35mm and 120 scans. When it dies I plan to 
go with an Epson 800 or 850. But - I only scan negatives these days (B 
and color) - no slides. Slides are more demanding, though I expect that 
the V800/850 could handle them fine. I don't know about the V600 and 
slide film.


- Mark


On 4/7/2017 11:45 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, 
some of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide 
scanners.


So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you 
have gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. 
I'd appreciate any guidance.





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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Paul Stenquist]

With the Epson V850 Pro I can scan a dozen transparencies in about 20 minutes, 
and I can load 24 at a time. It’s a pretty efficient way to go. 

Paul

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 07 April 2017 at 16:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
>>> and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
>>> of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
>>> scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
>>> 
>>> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
>>> gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
>>> appreciate any guidance.
>> 
>> My observation of this phenomenon over the past few years leads me to 
>> believe,
>> from other folks' scribblings, that the best way to do it is to pay someone
>> else.
> 
> I agree. 
> 
> I have been scanning film since the early 1990s and have had quite a few 
> scanners, both negative and flatbed, over the years. Since about 2006, I've 
> owned and used the Nikon Coolscan IV and Coolscan V extensively. Either of 
> them with the automated 35mm feeder can scan a 6 frame strip very effectively 
> in batch mode using VueScan. 
> 
> But…
> 
> The process is *NEVER* fast. A thirty six exposure roll is an hour or two 
> worth of work. A thirty six exposure roll of mounted slides is about four 
> times that because you can only load them one at a time. Add time if you 
> select individually which frames you want to scan, and if you want perfectly 
> scanned, usable, balanced JPEGs to pop out of the scanner with no further 
> editing required—lots of time. 
> 
> It is far more practical if you have several dozens or even hundreds of 
> frames to scan is to wrap them up and send them off to someone like 
> http://www.scancafe.com … They'll do as good a job as you will 90-98% of the 
> time and whatever they charge is a FAR better use of your money and time than 
> buying a scanner. 
> 
> Buy and use a scanner when you have specific things that you want to do with 
> film photography that requires your personal control of the scanning process. 
> Buy a scanning service when you want to convert an archive of older film 
> images to digital in order that you can see them and share them. 
> 
> G
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Paul Stenquist]

With the Epson V850 Pro I can scan a dozen transparencies in about 20 minutes, 
and I can load 24 at a time. It’s a pretty efficient way to go. 

Paul
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 07 April 2017 at 16:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
>>> and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
>>> of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
>>> scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
>>> 
>>> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
>>> gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
>>> appreciate any guidance.
>> 
>> My observation of this phenomenon over the past few years leads me to 
>> believe,
>> from other folks' scribblings, that the best way to do it is to pay someone
>> else.
> 
> I agree. 
> 
> I have been scanning film since the early 1990s and have had quite a few 
> scanners, both negative and flatbed, over the years. Since about 2006, I've 
> owned and used the Nikon Coolscan IV and Coolscan V extensively. Either of 
> them with the automated 35mm feeder can scan a 6 frame strip very effectively 
> in batch mode using VueScan. 
> 
> But…
> 
> The process is *NEVER* fast. A thirty six exposure roll is an hour or two 
> worth of work. A thirty six exposure roll of mounted slides is about four 
> times that because you can only load them one at a time. Add time if you 
> select individually which frames you want to scan, and if you want perfectly 
> scanned, usable, balanced JPEGs to pop out of the scanner with no further 
> editing required—lots of time. 
> 
> It is far more practical if you have several dozens or even hundreds of 
> frames to scan is to wrap them up and send them off to someone like 
> http://www.scancafe.com … They'll do as good a job as you will 90-98% of the 
> time and whatever they charge is a FAR better use of your money and time than 
> buying a scanner. 
> 
> Buy and use a scanner when you have specific things that you want to do with 
> film photography that requires your personal control of the scanning process. 
> Buy a scanning service when you want to convert an archive of older film 
> images to digital in order that you can see them and share them. 
> 
> G
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
>> On 07 April 2017 at 16:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
>> and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
>> of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
>> scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
>> 
>> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
>> gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
>> appreciate any guidance.
> 
> My observation of this phenomenon over the past few years leads me to believe,
> from other folks' scribblings, that the best way to do it is to pay someone
> else.

I agree. 

I have been scanning film since the early 1990s and have had quite a few 
scanners, both negative and flatbed, over the years. Since about 2006, I've 
owned and used the Nikon Coolscan IV and Coolscan V extensively. Either of them 
with the automated 35mm feeder can scan a 6 frame strip very effectively in 
batch mode using VueScan. 

But…

The process is *NEVER* fast. A thirty six exposure roll is an hour or two worth 
of work. A thirty six exposure roll of mounted slides is about four times that 
because you can only load them one at a time. Add time if you select 
individually which frames you want to scan, and if you want perfectly scanned, 
usable, balanced JPEGs to pop out of the scanner with no further editing 
required—lots of time. 

It is far more practical if you have several dozens or even hundreds of frames 
to scan is to wrap them up and send them off to someone like 
http://www.scancafe.com … They'll do as good a job as you will 90-98% of the 
time and whatever they charge is a FAR better use of your money and time than 
buying a scanner. 

Buy and use a scanner when you have specific things that you want to do with 
film photography that requires your personal control of the scanning process. 
Buy a scanning service when you want to convert an archive of older film images 
to digital in order that you can see them and share them. 

G
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[John Sessoms]

I have a Nikon Coolscan IV ED.

It came with two heads; "MA-20 Slide Mount Adapter" for slides & "SA-20
Strip Film Adapter" for film strips. It also had an accessory "Strip
Film Holder FH-3" that allows you to scan strips of up to 6 frames using
the slide head.

The Nikon scan software hasn't been updated since Windoze XP, but
there's a hack out there that will allow it to work with Windows 7.
OTOH, VueScan supports that model & works just fine on Windows 7.

If you're going to buy a used one from eBay or Amazon, you want to make
sure it includes the FH-3, because buying an FH-3 separately will set
you back almost as much as the scanner itself.

I still use mine frequently as I slowly digitize the remnants of my old
film. I scanned "Memphis Belle" for the 20th Anniversary PUG from an old
Kodachrome slide.

On 4/7/2017 11:45, Doug Brewer wrote:

I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera
and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some
of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe
scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide
scanners.

So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have
gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd
appreciate any guidance.



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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[anotherdrunkensot]

I picked up a Beseler slide copier from a lab that was closing down a number of 
years ago. That and the K1 give me a 35mp slide scanner that seems to work 
really well.


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 Original message 
From: Doug Brewer  
Date: 04-07-2017  9:45 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
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Subject: OT: Digital Slide scanners 

I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.

So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
appreciate any guidance.

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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Bob W-PDML]

This is why God gave us other people. I bought a Nikon LS1000? 4000? When they 
were quite new. Used it about a dozen times. It was such a balls-ache. Good 
quality though.

B

> On 7 Apr 2017, at 16:46, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera and 
> Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some of which 
> are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe scanning some of 
> them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
> 
> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have gone 
> down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd appreciate 
> any guidance.
> 
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[P. J. Alling]

A long time ago, it seems, I bought an ACER ScanWit 2720s.  It's a SCSI 
interface device, and while it's supplied software is hopelessly dated, 
there is third party software, (ViewScan), that will actually give 
better scans, taking full advantage of the hardware, which the original 
software never did.  It got very good reviews for it's output, and 
specifications equaled or bettered much more expensive units, (when I 
bought it they were available new for approximately $300).  It produced 
a 9mp scans which I saved as TIFF files and corrected in Photoshop.


There are four notable drawbacks to it.

  It's limited to 35mm filmstrips or slides of 24x36mm mounted in 
standard mounts, you can scan smaller but not larger so superslides are 
out thought I think 126 slides will work though the software didn't 
support it, (110 format slides scanned well, but at a greatly reduced 
resolution of course, I wish I had a few samples but all those scans 
disappeared in a hard drive crash).


 The slide and film carriers are made entirely out of plastic, and 
since the original manufacturer sold out to BANQ the scanner, and it's 
bigger brother, 2047s which included digital ICE, are long discontinued 
so parts including new carriers are made of unobtainable.


 Scanning speeds are oow, so bulk scanning is 
problematic, though how much of that was due to the limitations of PC 
hardware at the time is a question, (I doubt that the scanner has a 
particularly large or even any actual buffer built in.


 Finally reading the specifications, I'm not at all sure that it 
would actually outperform a current Epson Perfection V550 or V600 which 
will scan up to 6x9cm slides and negatives.   So the effort to getting 
either ScanWit up and running on modern hardware on a modern OS may not 
be worth the effort, especially as you'd actually have to find one, but 
if you're interested Amazon has on in their warehouse used for only $127.00



On 4/7/2017 11:45 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:
I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, 
some of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide 
scanners.


So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you 
have gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. 
I'd appreciate any guidance.





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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Paul Stenquist]

The Epson V850 Pro does an excellent job on transparencies and negatives. All 
the color shots on this page were scanned from Kodachrome slides and all the BW 
was scanned from negs. 
https://www.photo.net/gallery/1080368#//Sort-Newest/All-Categories/All-Time/Page-1

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera and 
> Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some of which 
> are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe scanning some of 
> them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
> 
> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have gone 
> down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd appreciate 
> any guidance.
> 
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Brewer wrote:

>I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
>and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
>of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
>scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
>
>So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
>gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
>appreciate any guidance.

I picked up a Minolta "Scan Dual IV" on eBay a few months ago. Less
than a hundred bucks.
 
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

No help. Except I have a lot of slides too. I still have an Epson 
flatbed slide scanner which I saved if I ever get around to my piles of 
slides. (When I first started photography I quickly switched from 
regular film and shot slide film instead.)


It does an amazingly good job, frankly. The only problem is dust. A 
microfiber cloth helps. And if the dust is kept low enough, then it's 
not too big a job to clean up the remainder in post processing. And it's 
a lot cheaper than a big slide machine. Also I am sure some of the newer 
Epson flat bed scanners are even better than mine.


But I am pretty sure that is not what you are looking for.

Marnie (aka Doe)

On 4/7/2017 8:45 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera
and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some
of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe
scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide
scanners.

So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have
gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd
appreciate any guidance.


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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[Stanley Halpin]

I (and others on the PDML) have had some success with the Epson V600 Photos 
flatbed scanner. Or similar. Workflow is decent, not limited to 35mm, useful if 
you have any 645 or 6x6 or 6x7 negatives or slides, also useful for scanning 
photos and other paper.

There are also a couple of scanning services. It has been 10 years since I last 
did this, but I boxed my slides, sent them someplace in the U.S. The company 
sent them on to India. Thumbnails of the images were uploaded, I could deselect 
those that didn’t look good. They then did color balance etc on the keepers, 
sent it all back to me with the scanned images on a CD. IIRC, it was $.40-.50 
per slide, (just charged  for the keepers) cheaper than buying a good scanner 
if this is a one-time thing with relatively few slides. Also far less time 
consuming! 

I have a vast collection of my own and my father-in-law’s slides and negatives 
in 35mm and medium formats. Every few months I spend some time scanning, get 
bored, and move on to something else. At some point I will give up and send 
them off for someone else to do…

stan

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera and 
> Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some of which 
> are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe scanning some of 
> them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
> 
> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have gone 
> down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd appreciate 
> any guidance.
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Re: OT: Digital Slide scanners

[mike wilson]

> On 07 April 2017 at 16:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been cleaning out my storage room in the basement, AKA The Camera 
> and Computer Museum, and have uncovered boxes and boxes of slides, some 
> of which are passable photos, and have become interested in maybe 
> scanning some of them. I've looked here and there at digital slide scanners.
> 
> So my query, if you haven't figured it out by now, is if any of you have 
> gone down this path, and whether you have found a decent scanner. I'd 
> appreciate any guidance.

My observation of this phenomenon over the past few years leads me to believe,
from other folks' scribblings, that the best way to do it is to pay someone
else.

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