Re: OT: OMG...

[Mark Roberts]

John Francis wrote:

>On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>> 
>>>I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized
>>> use of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially 
>>>legally actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that 
>>>makes the case.). This is the same reason why model releases 
>>>are needed for Commercial Photography.
>> 
>> That was my assumption also: That they're going for a 
>> trademark violation, essentially.
>
>Parody is a protected form of expression. As long as the publisher 
>can show they are parodying Chuck Norris's public persona, rather 
>than trying to pass the work off as being in any way affiliated with 
>Chuck Norris, they have a pretty good defence.

... for libel or copyright issues. Which is why Norris is going for the 
trademark angle.


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Re: OT: OMG...

[Adam Maas]

On 12/28/07, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > Adam Maas wrote:
> >
> > >I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
> > >of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
> > >actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
> > >case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
> > >Commercial Photography.
> >
> > That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark
> > violation, essentially.
>
> Parody is a protected form of expression.  As long as the publisher can
> show they are parodying Chuck Norris's public persona, rather than trying
> to pass the work off as being in any way affiliated with Chuck Norris,
> they have a pretty good defence.
>
>

Indeed that's true. But that really depends on the court (While it's
written law, it is something that gets ignored semi-regularly). This
is a poster-child case for out of court settlement as Frank suggests.
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Re: OT: OMG...

[pnstenquist]

Parody is protected, but so are trademarks. If they've infringed, they'll lose, 
parody or no. Norris is entitled to protect the brand he has built. I'm on his 
side in this one.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > Adam Maas wrote:
> > 
> > >I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
> > >of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
> > >actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
> > >case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
> > >Commercial Photography.
> > 
> > That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark 
> > violation, essentially.
> 
> Parody is a protected form of expression.  As long as the publisher can
> show they are parodying Chuck Norris's public persona, rather than trying
> to pass the work off as being in any way affiliated with Chuck Norris,
> they have a pretty good defence.
> 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[John Francis]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> >I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
> >of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
> >actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
> >case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
> >Commercial Photography.
> 
> That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark 
> violation, essentially.

Parody is a protected form of expression.  As long as the publisher can
show they are parodying Chuck Norris's public persona, rather than trying
to pass the work off as being in any way affiliated with Chuck Norris,
they have a pretty good defence.


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Re: OT: OMG...

[P. J. Alling]

If he has a career, he has a manager and a lawyer, dealing with it.  
He's off fishing.  That's what flunkies are for...

frank theriault wrote:
> On Dec 28, 2007 1:05 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
>>> of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
>>> actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
>>> case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
>>> Commercial Photography.
>>>   
>> That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark
>> violation, essentially.
>> 
>
> Okay, you guys are right, that's what he's suing for (as it appears in
> this report, anyway).
>
> I still say he has no chance of doing anything other than settling for
> an undisclosed sum (meaning both sides walk away paying their own
> legal fees, while saving face).
>
> If Chuck had any sort of a career, he'd have better things to do with his 
> time.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>   


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RE: OT: OMG...

[Bob W]

> 
> On Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Its not driven by me thinking i'm the best, being the 
> best isn't my goal.
> 
> You're succeeding admirably...
> 
> ;-)
> 

Somebody once said of someone else "he was a man of small ambition,
and smaller achievement"!

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Bob Blakely]

"Aspirin" was once a trade name. The company that owned it failed to protect 
it though flagerant infringement abounded. After some time they attempted to 
assert their trademark rights in court only to find they had lost them 
through negelect. The term was deemed to have become "common usage" with the 
company's tacit approval! Folks with trademarks *need* to protect them if 
they want to keep them.

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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On Dec 28, 2007 1:05 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>> >I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
>> >of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
>> >actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
>> >case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
>> >Commercial Photography.
>>
>> That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark
>> violation, essentially.
>
> Okay, you guys are right, that's what he's suing for (as it appears in
> this report, anyway).
>
> I still say he has no chance of doing anything other than settling for
> an undisclosed sum (meaning both sides walk away paying their own
> legal fees, while saving face).
>
> If Chuck had any sort of a career, he'd have better things to do with his 
> time.


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Re: OT: OMG...

[frank theriault]

On Dec 28, 2007 1:05 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
> >I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
> >of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
> >actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
> >case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
> >Commercial Photography.
>
> That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark
> violation, essentially.

Okay, you guys are right, that's what he's suing for (as it appears in
this report, anyway).

I still say he has no chance of doing anything other than settling for
an undisclosed sum (meaning both sides walk away paying their own
legal fees, while saving face).

If Chuck had any sort of a career, he'd have better things to do with his time.

cheers,
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Mark Roberts]

Adam Maas wrote:

>I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
>of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
>actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
>case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
>Commercial Photography.

That was my assumption also: That they're going for a trademark 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[David J Brooks]

On Dec 28, 2007 11:59 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 12/28/2007 7:33:12 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Last time I saw Mr.  Norris, it was doing an infomercial for an
> exercise machine.  I'm  guessing that he'd do almost anything to revive
> a flagging career.  The  publicity of a lawsuit could be just what  he
> wants.
>
> cheers,
> frank
> =
> Actually, they  might be making a lot of money with those exercise machines.
>
> Marnie aka  Doe  Never underestimate the power of the  "infomercial."

I have about 41 cable channels i can get from Rogers. At any given
time, there seems to be a 1/3 of them taken up with infomercials and
reality shows.

I have a hard time with my own reality, let alone some other twit's.

Dave
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Adam Maas]

I suspect the issue here is not libel, but rather the unauthorized use
of Chuck's name to make a profit (Which is potentially legally
actionable, it's the profit issue, not the distribution that makes the
case.). This is the same reason why model releases are needed for
Commercial Photography.

-Adam

On 12/28/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 2007 3:47 PM, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > I doubt if that happened.  I suspect the lawyers (not exactly a
> > group known for risk taking) probably feel they have a good case.
> >
> > I think I agree with them.  I see no significant difference from a
> > legal standpoint between passing silly "facts" around on the internet
> > (which you seem to feel is somehow OK) and publishing them in a book.
>
> I'm no expert in the law of defamation, but I recall that humour is a
> good defense to libel.
>
> I'm quite certain that Penguin's legal department would have had a
> quick look at the thing before publishing, and obviously they were
> satisfied that there was nothing actionable in the book.
>
> As for Chuck's lawyers (and lawyers in general), they don't care if
> they have a good case, they care if they have a retainer from their
> client.  Lot's of flimsy lawsuits have been filed for reasons ~other
> than~ that they have a chance of winning in court.
>
> Last time I saw Mr. Norris, it was doing an infomercial for an
> exercise machine.  I'm guessing that he'd do almost anything to revive
> a flagging career.  The publicity of a lawsuit could be just what he
> wants.
>
> I agree with Mark.  It'll never get to trial.  It will settle (and the
> results of said settlement will never see the light of day - a
> standard term in any settlement is non-disclosure of terms by either
> party).
>
> cheers,
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/28/2007 7:33:12 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Last time I saw Mr.  Norris, it was doing an infomercial for an
exercise machine.  I'm  guessing that he'd do almost anything to revive
a flagging career.  The  publicity of a lawsuit could be just what  he
wants.

cheers,
frank
=
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Re: OT: OMG...

[frank theriault]

On Dec 23, 2007 3:47 PM, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I doubt if that happened.  I suspect the lawyers (not exactly a
> group known for risk taking) probably feel they have a good case.
>
> I think I agree with them.  I see no significant difference from a
> legal standpoint between passing silly "facts" around on the internet
> (which you seem to feel is somehow OK) and publishing them in a book.

I'm no expert in the law of defamation, but I recall that humour is a
good defense to libel.

I'm quite certain that Penguin's legal department would have had a
quick look at the thing before publishing, and obviously they were
satisfied that there was nothing actionable in the book.

As for Chuck's lawyers (and lawyers in general), they don't care if
they have a good case, they care if they have a retainer from their
client.  Lot's of flimsy lawsuits have been filed for reasons ~other
than~ that they have a chance of winning in court.

Last time I saw Mr. Norris, it was doing an infomercial for an
exercise machine.  I'm guessing that he'd do almost anything to revive
a flagging career.  The publicity of a lawsuit could be just what he
wants.

I agree with Mark.  It'll never get to trial.  It will settle (and the
results of said settlement will never see the light of day - a
standard term in any settlement is non-disclosure of terms by either
party).

cheers,
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Re: OT: OMG...

[frank theriault]

On Dec 23, 2007 5:24 PM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Its not driven by me thinking i'm the best, being the best isn't my goal.

You're succeeding admirably...

;-)

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Ken Waller]

The issue as I see it is not with those that kill file him, but with the 
others that won't let it go & respond.

Happens often around here.

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Subject: Re: OT: OMG...


> On Dec 26, 2007 3:51 PM, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ken Waller wrote:
>> >> Some people will never killfile him.  He'll be here forever.
>> >
>> > "No response" will work even better.
>>
>> At this point, I don't care if he's here.  His messages won't make it to
>> me, so he might as well be gone. ;-)
>
> gmail has a great filter system.:-)
>
> Dave
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Re: OT: OMG...

[David J Brooks]

Pardon.?
Sorry, i had to.
:-)

Dave

On Dec 26, 2007 6:36 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Part of freedom of speech, is the freedom to not be forced to listen.
>
> Doug Franklin wrote:
> > graywolf wrote:
> >
> >
> >> some reason the people who start yelling "Freedom of speech" never want to 
> >> allow
> >> it to the other guy.
> >>
> >
> > I don't recall the attribution, but there's an old quotation running
> > around to the effect that the most difficult part of freedom is allowing
> > your neighbors to be as free as you want them to allow you to be.
> >
> >
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Re: OT: OMG...

[P. J. Alling]

Part of freedom of speech, is the freedom to not be forced to listen.

Doug Franklin wrote:
> graywolf wrote:
>
>   
>> some reason the people who start yelling "Freedom of speech" never want to 
>> allow 
>> it to the other guy.
>> 
>
> I don't recall the attribution, but there's an old quotation running 
> around to the effect that the most difficult part of freedom is allowing 
> your neighbors to be as free as you want them to allow you to be.
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Re: OT: OMG...

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Quoting David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Dec 26, 2007 3:51 PM, Doug Franklin 
> > At this point, I don't care if he's here.  His messages won't
> make it to
> > me, so he might as well be gone. ;-)
> 
> gmail has a great filter system.:-)
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Re: OT: OMG...

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On Dec 26, 2007 3:51 PM, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ken Waller wrote:
> >> Some people will never killfile him.  He'll be here forever.
> >
> > "No response" will work even better.
>
> At this point, I don't care if he's here.  His messages won't make it to
> me, so he might as well be gone. ;-)

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Doug Franklin]

Ken Waller wrote:
>> Some people will never killfile him.  He'll be here forever.
> 
> "No response" will work even better.

At this point, I don't care if he's here.  His messages won't make it to 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Doug Franklin]

graywolf wrote:

> some reason the people who start yelling "Freedom of speech" never want to 
> allow 
> it to the other guy.

I don't recall the attribution, but there's an old quotation running 
around to the effect that the most difficult part of freedom is allowing 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Doug Franklin]

David Savage wrote:
> On Dec 23, 2007 8:23 PM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.
>> And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.
> 
> Ahhh another internet tough guy...
> 
> That was seriously uncalled for.

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that, um, individual.  Drat.  I'm sure I'm gonna miss some really good 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[keith_w]

Adam Maas wrote:
> On 12/24/07, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> On Dec 24, 2007, at 10:48 AM, keith_w wrote:
>>>
>> If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and
>> configure the filter to bounce it back to the sender.
 Beyond my ken.
 How does one do that?
 I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...

>>> yes.
>>>
>>> G

>> Now *there's* a cogent response.
>> Many thanks, Godfrey.
>> If you don't have time to provide an appropriate and rational answer,
>> why not just ignore it?
>>
>> keith


> Keith,
> 
> Given the incredible option in email clients/servers, Godfrey gave the
> only cogent response possible from a general perspective. I can think
> offhand of a dozen ways to do this, from using procmail, regex's and
> perl to Outlook filters. How to do it entirely depends on what
> software you're using.
> 
> -Adam

Okay, your point is well taken. I over-reacted.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[keith_w]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Dec 24, 2007, at 2:26 PM, keith_w wrote:
> 
 Beyond my ken.
 How does one do that?
 I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...


>>> yes.
>>>
>>> G


>> Now there's a cogent response.
>> Many thanks, Godfrey.
>> If you don't have time to provide an appropriate and rational answer,
>> why not just ignore it?


> I thought it an appropriate and rational answer: I confirmed your  
> conjecture. Sorry you find that offensive.

No, I didn't find it offensive, just a bit curt.

> I don't use the mail client you do so I cannot tell you how to do it  
> with that mail client. If you were using Apple's Mail client, I would  
> be happy to tell you.
> 
> G

Okay then. Thank you.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Adam Maas]

On 12/24/07, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > On Dec 24, 2007, at 10:48 AM, keith_w wrote:
> >
>  If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and
>  configure the filter to bounce it back to the sender.
>
> >> Beyond my ken.
> >> How does one do that?
> >> I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...
>
> > yes.
> >
> > G
>
>
> Now *there's* a cogent response.
>
> Many thanks, Godfrey.
>
> If you don't have time to provide an appropriate and rational answer,
> why not just ignore it?
>
> keith
>

Keith,

Given the incredible option in email clients/servers, Godfrey gave the
only cogent response possible from a general perspective. I can think
offhand of a dozen ways to do this, from using procmail, regex's and
perl to Outlook filters. How to do it entirely depends on what
software you're using.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Adam Maas]

No, bouncing is not a DoS unless you intentionally cause a mail
routing loop. It's just being generally disagreeable.

-Adam


On 12/24/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would never do such a thing. It is called a Denial of Service Attack and can
> cause massive disruption to the web, not just to the person you are pissed at.
>
> If you find someone chronically annoying just killfile his name. Don't forget 
> to
> kill anything with his name in the body of the message as well or you still 
> get
> to read all the idiots who respond to his baiting.
>
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> Scott Loveless wrote:
> > William Robb wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -
> >> From: "Scott Loveless"
> >> Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
> >>> I'd rather apply the solution Bill uses with those morons who bounce
> >>> list mail.  If we all did that, wouldn't lollyhead have a wonderful
> >>> time?  
> >> If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and configure the
> >> filter to bounce it back to the sender.
> >> This latest manchild got filter #3
> >
> > Yes.  That the rule I was referring to.  Thank you so much for the idea.
> >   I've had several opportunities to use it over the last year or so.
> > It's always good for a chuckle, at the very least.
> >
> >
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 24, 2007, at 2:26 PM, keith_w wrote:

>>> Beyond my ken.
>>> How does one do that?
>>> I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...
>
>> yes.
>>
>> G
>
>
> Now *there's* a cogent response.
>
> Many thanks, Godfrey.
>
> If you don't have time to provide an appropriate and rational answer,
> why not just ignore it?

I thought it an appropriate and rational answer: I confirmed your  
conjecture. Sorry you find that offensive.

I don't use the mail client you do so I cannot tell you how to do it  
with that mail client. If you were using Apple's Mail client, I would  
be happy to tell you.

G

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Cotty]

On 24/12/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I don't know if this will work on a Mac, I expect it would.
>I use a gmail account with POP forwarding as my mail server.
>Gmail filters out people that I have decided don't deserve me by both email 
>address and by name in the message body. This catches both original messages 
>and (most of the) replies.
>Gmail then forwards the rest to me, and I can use a standard email program 
>for email, rather than a web based interface which I really dislike.
>Gmail also has a very effective spam filter, so spam is quite well 
>controlled.
>For personal and business mail, I still have an account via my ISP, so I'm 
>not concerned about my stuff sitting on Gmail's server forever.

Like the man said, all depends on your email app. I use Powermail. If
you're on a Mac, and used to like Claris Emailer, this is for you. very
powerful filters, auto-replies etc.

www.ctmdev.com

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Polyhead]

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:21:27 -0800
keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> graywolf wrote:
> > I would never do such a thing. It is called a Denial of Service Attack and 
> > can 
> > cause massive disruption to the web, not just to the person you are pissed 
> > at.
> > 
> > If you find someone chronically annoying just killfile his name. Don't 
> > forget to 
> > kill anything with his name in the body of the message as well or you still 
> > get 
> > to read all the idiots who respond to his baiting.
> > 
> > Graywolf
> 
> Not sure I totally agree with the Denial of Service Attack business, 
> but...why argue. I always do a complete PLONK when I tire of some low 
> life online.

It is, but i'll take that up with your ISP, not you. :)

> I never receive another message from him or her, directly or otherwise.
> Once I put the prohibition against the body of the message, all gone, as 
> you pointed out.
> 
> What's hard to imagine is all those who DON'T find such things 
> offensive, and continue to correspond with and answer messages from this 
> person!
> 
> keith whaley
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Re: OT: OMG...

[keith_w]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Dec 24, 2007, at 10:48 AM, keith_w wrote:
> 
 If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and  
 configure the filter to bounce it back to the sender.

>> Beyond my ken.
>> How does one do that?
>> I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...

> yes.
> 
> G


Now *there's* a cogent response.

Many thanks, Godfrey.

If you don't have time to provide an appropriate and rational answer, 
why not just ignore it?

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Re: OT: OMG...

[keith_w]

graywolf wrote:
> I would never do such a thing. It is called a Denial of Service Attack and 
> can 
> cause massive disruption to the web, not just to the person you are pissed at.
> 
> If you find someone chronically annoying just killfile his name. Don't forget 
> to 
> kill anything with his name in the body of the message as well or you still 
> get 
> to read all the idiots who respond to his baiting.
> 
> Graywolf

Not sure I totally agree with the Denial of Service Attack business, 
but...why argue. I always do a complete PLONK when I tire of some low 
life online.

I never receive another message from him or her, directly or otherwise.
Once I put the prohibition against the body of the message, all gone, as 
you pointed out.

What's hard to imagine is all those who DON'T find such things 
offensive, and continue to correspond with and answer messages from this 
person!

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Re: OT: OMG...

[graywolf]

I would never do such a thing. It is called a Denial of Service Attack and can 
cause massive disruption to the web, not just to the person you are pissed at.

If you find someone chronically annoying just killfile his name. Don't forget 
to 
kill anything with his name in the body of the message as well or you still get 
to read all the idiots who respond to his baiting.

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Scott Loveless wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Scott Loveless"
>> Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
>>> I'd rather apply the solution Bill uses with those morons who bounce
>>> list mail.  If we all did that, wouldn't lollyhead have a wonderful
>>> time?  
>> If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and configure the 
>> filter to bounce it back to the sender.
>> This latest manchild got filter #3
> 
> Yes.  That the rule I was referring to.  Thank you so much for the idea. 
>   I've had several opportunities to use it over the last year or so. 
> It's always good for a chuckle, at the very least.
> 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "keith_w"
Subject: Re: OT: OMG...




>>> If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and configure 
>>> the
>>> filter to bounce it back to the sender.
>
> Beyond my ken.
> How does one do that?
> I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...

I don't know if this will work on a Mac, I expect it would.
I use a gmail account with POP forwarding as my mail server.
Gmail filters out people that I have decided don't deserve me by both email 
address and by name in the message body. This catches both original messages 
and (most of the) replies.
Gmail then forwards the rest to me, and I can use a standard email program 
for email, rather than a web based interface which I really dislike.
Gmail also has a very effective spam filter, so spam is quite well 
controlled.
For personal and business mail, I still have an account via my ISP, so I'm 
not concerned about my stuff sitting on Gmail's server forever.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 24, 2007, at 10:48 AM, keith_w wrote:

>>> If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and  
>>> configure the
>>> filter to bounce it back to the sender.
>
> Beyond my ken.
> How does one do that?
> I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...

yes.

G

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Re: OT: OMG...

[keith_w]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Scott Loveless"
>> Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
>>> I'd rather apply the solution Bill uses with those morons who bounce
>>> list mail.  If we all did that, wouldn't lollyhead have a wonderful
>>> time?  

>> If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and configure the 
>> filter to bounce it back to the sender.

Beyond my ken.
How does one do that?
I suspect it wholly depends on what/which email client you use...

keith whaley
SeaMonkey 1.1.7

>> This latest manchild got filter #3

> Yes.  That the rule I was referring to.  Thank you so much for the idea. 
>   I've had several opportunities to use it over the last year or so. 
> It's always good for a chuckle, at the very least.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Scott Loveless]

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Loveless"
> Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
>> I'd rather apply the solution Bill uses with those morons who bounce
>> list mail.  If we all did that, wouldn't lollyhead have a wonderful
>> time?  
> 
> If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and configure the 
> filter to bounce it back to the sender.
> This latest manchild got filter #3

Yes.  That the rule I was referring to.  Thank you so much for the idea. 
  I've had several opportunities to use it over the last year or so. 
It's always good for a chuckle, at the very least.


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Re: OT: OMG...

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/12/24 Mon AM 04:46:47 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
> 
> > Some people will never killfile him.  He'll be here forever.
> 
> "No response" will work even better.
>  
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[Ken Waller]

> Some people will never killfile him.  He'll be here forever.

"No response" will work even better.
 
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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: OT: OMG...


> Some people will never killfile him.  He'll be here forever.
> 
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Hey d**khead,
>>> Both of my boys have had Testicular cancer in the last 5 years.
>>> You're in my killfile, crawl back in your hole now.
>>> 
>>
>> Bob, a little bit of Googling would have revealed that this character 
>> has a long history of deliberately disrupting various discussion fora 
>> with this kind of baiting. Some people get their kicks that way.
>>
>> When everyone has him killfiled he'll interpret the lack of response to 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[P. J. Alling]

Damn, I forgot.

David Savage wrote:
> On Dec 24, 2007 5:23 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> It is kind of hard to roundhouse kick a a large corporation, and dealing
>> with each employee an office at a time seems too much like a career
>> 
>
> For you and me maybe. But this is Chuck Norris we're talking about.
>
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: OT: OMG...

[P. J. Alling]

Some people will never killfile him.  He'll be here forever.

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>   
>> Hey d**khead,
>> Both of my boys have had Testicular cancer in the last 5 years.
>> You're in my killfile, crawl back in your hole now.
>> 
>
> Bob, a little bit of Googling would have revealed that this character 
> has a long history of deliberately disrupting various discussion fora 
> with this kind of baiting. Some people get their kicks that way.
>
> When everyone has him killfiled he'll interpret the lack of response to 
> his sociopathic behavior as "victory" and move on.
>
>
>   


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Re: OT: OMG...

[David Savage]

On Dec 24, 2007 5:23 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is kind of hard to roundhouse kick a a large corporation, and dealing
> with each employee an office at a time seems too much like a career

For you and me maybe. But this is Chuck Norris we're talking about.

:-)

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Re: OT: OMG...

[David J Brooks]

On Dec 23, 2007 3:15 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
> >Hey d**khead,
> >Both of my boys have had Testicular cancer in the last 5 years.
> >You're in my killfile, crawl back in your hole now.
>
> Bob, a little bit of Googling would have revealed that this character
> has a long history of deliberately disrupting various discussion fora
> with this kind of baiting. Some people get their kicks that way.

Did that Mark, thus, killfile

Dave
>
> When everyone has him killfiled he'll interpret the lack of response to
> his sociopathic behavior as "victory" and move on.
>
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Re: OT: OMG...

[pnstenquist]

You don't want to be liked. You want to be invisible. Bingo, you're their. 
Killfile for polly. I suggest all oehrs do the same and avoid responding to his 
posts. Then, like other assholes who've infected the list, he'll simply 
disappear. Bye, bye, Polly.
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From: Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:29:05 -0600
> "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > - Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Poly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Who the hell let a four year old onto the list?
> > 
> > Bob Blakely posted this some years ago in reply to Antonio Aparicio.
> > It bears repeating, given the recent arrival of the polymanchild, who, like
> > Antonio, seems to be a person of limited intellectual resources.
> > 
> > "All groups of people have unwritten rules of social interaction. Most rules
> > of social interaction revolve around respect. If someone treats another
> > without respect, ALL members of the group take note. If the disrespecting
> > member is new, this behavior is all the group knows of them and they will
> > form their impressions accordingly. If the member is long standing, the
> > group has a base wherein to judge the behavior as not usual for the
> > offender. Members may not like the disruption in the group, but will
> > understand when a member defends him/herself when attacked, but they will be
> > irritated if it goes on too long. That's because the group is more important
> > than the individual. Respected members of the group apologize, not just for
> > their transgressions, but also for being part of an offensive interchange.
> > They do this without any "but's", "if's" or "however's" or other self
> > justifications. Most folks learn this in kindergarten. Some do not. They sit
> > around wondering why folks are reacting to them the way they are, and spend
> > much of their interchange blaming others. Some folks are simply abrasive by
> > nature. Others are just so narcissistic that they cannot see or acknowledge,
> > even to themselves, their abrasiveness and transgressions and are therefore
> > incapable of changing or apologizing."
> 
> See, you make one mistake thinking that aplies.  You assume i give a damn if 
> any 
> of you like me or not.  I know i'm opinionated and abrasive, even beligerant. 
>  I 
> prefer it that way.  Its not driven by me thinking i'm the best, being the 
> best 
> isn't my goal.
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Re: OT: OMG...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "PolyManChild"

>
> See, you make one mistake thinking that aplies.  You assume i give a damn 
> if any of you like me or not.  I know i'm opinionated and abrasive, even 
> beligerant.  I prefer it that way.  Its not driven by me thinking i'm the 
> best, being the best isn't my goal.

No, I just momentarily gave you the benefit of the doubt that you actually 
have an opposable thumb.
Now that you have proven that supposition to be erroneous, nothing more from 
you, or replied to you from within this mailing list will make it past my 
email filters.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[pnstenquist]

Uh, make that "Bingo, you're there."
Whew, almost let him back in:-).
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> You don't want to be liked. You want to be invisible. Bingo, you're their. 
> Killfile for polly. I suggest all oehrs do the same and avoid responding to 
> his 
> posts. Then, like other assholes who've infected the list, he'll simply 
> disappear. Bye, bye, Polly.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:29:05 -0600
> > "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Poly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Who the hell let a four year old onto the list?
> > > 
> > > Bob Blakely posted this some years ago in reply to Antonio Aparicio.
> > > It bears repeating, given the recent arrival of the polymanchild, who, 
> > > like
> > > Antonio, seems to be a person of limited intellectual resources.
> > > 
> > > "All groups of people have unwritten rules of social interaction. Most 
> > > rules
> > > of social interaction revolve around respect. If someone treats another
> > > without respect, ALL members of the group take note. If the disrespecting
> > > member is new, this behavior is all the group knows of them and they will
> > > form their impressions accordingly. If the member is long standing, the
> > > group has a base wherein to judge the behavior as not usual for the
> > > offender. Members may not like the disruption in the group, but will
> > > understand when a member defends him/herself when attacked, but they will 
> > > be
> > > irritated if it goes on too long. That's because the group is more 
> > > important
> > > than the individual. Respected members of the group apologize, not just 
> > > for
> > > their transgressions, but also for being part of an offensive interchange.
> > > They do this without any "but's", "if's" or "however's" or other self
> > > justifications. Most folks learn this in kindergarten. Some do not. They 
> > > sit
> > > around wondering why folks are reacting to them the way they are, and 
> > > spend
> > > much of their interchange blaming others. Some folks are simply abrasive 
> > > by
> > > nature. Others are just so narcissistic that they cannot see or 
> > > acknowledge,
> > > even to themselves, their abrasiveness and transgressions and are 
> > > therefore
> > > incapable of changing or apologizing."
> > 
> > See, you make one mistake thinking that aplies.  You assume i give a damn 
> > if 
> any 
> > of you like me or not.  I know i'm opinionated and abrasive, even 
> > beligerant.  
> I 
> > prefer it that way.  Its not driven by me thinking i'm the best, being the 
> best 
> > isn't my goal.
> > 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[John Francis]

On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 04:23:42PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> John Francis wrote:
> 
> >I see no significant difference from a
> >legal standpoint between passing silly "facts" around on the internet
> >(which you seem to feel is somehow OK) and publishing them in a book.
> 
> You're joking, right? It's called "profit". 

Irrelevant from a legal standpoint.  The only difference is how much
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[Polyhead]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:29:05 -0600
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Poly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Who the hell let a four year old onto the list?
> 
> Bob Blakely posted this some years ago in reply to Antonio Aparicio.
> It bears repeating, given the recent arrival of the polymanchild, who, like
> Antonio, seems to be a person of limited intellectual resources.
> 
> "All groups of people have unwritten rules of social interaction. Most rules
> of social interaction revolve around respect. If someone treats another
> without respect, ALL members of the group take note. If the disrespecting
> member is new, this behavior is all the group knows of them and they will
> form their impressions accordingly. If the member is long standing, the
> group has a base wherein to judge the behavior as not usual for the
> offender. Members may not like the disruption in the group, but will
> understand when a member defends him/herself when attacked, but they will be
> irritated if it goes on too long. That's because the group is more important
> than the individual. Respected members of the group apologize, not just for
> their transgressions, but also for being part of an offensive interchange.
> They do this without any "but's", "if's" or "however's" or other self
> justifications. Most folks learn this in kindergarten. Some do not. They sit
> around wondering why folks are reacting to them the way they are, and spend
> much of their interchange blaming others. Some folks are simply abrasive by
> nature. Others are just so narcissistic that they cannot see or acknowledge,
> even to themselves, their abrasiveness and transgressions and are therefore
> incapable of changing or apologizing."

See, you make one mistake thinking that aplies.  You assume i give a damn if 
any of you like me or not.  I know i'm opinionated and abrasive, even 
beligerant.  I prefer it that way.  Its not driven by me thinking i'm the best, 
being the best isn't my goal.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: Re: OT: OMG...



>>
>>
> I'd rather apply the solution Bill uses with those morons who bounce
> list mail.  If we all did that, wouldn't lollyhead have a wonderful
> time?  

I have a multi level solution, depending on the degree of transgression.
Some people just hit the bit bucket because I've decided I want no more mail 
from them.
The next level is a more complex filtering method that involves filtering 
both the person and any replies that they may generate.
If I am really annoyed, I both filter your email to trash and configure the 
filter to bounce it back to the sender.
This latest manchild got filter #3

Using gmail as a pop server makes setting up filters such as this very easy 
and effective.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Scott Loveless]

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "graywolf"
> Subject: Re: OT: OMG...
> 
> 
>> I predict that we will be hearing Polyhead jokes here on the list for a 
>> long time.
>>
> 
> Lets hope not.
> Instead, may I suggest that we all just block the asshole from our inboxes 
> and forget that this particular putrid excuse for humanity exists.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> 
I'd rather apply the solution Bill uses with those morons who bounce 
list mail.  If we all did that, wouldn't lollyhead have a wonderful 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf"
Subject: Re: OT: OMG...


>I predict that we will be hearing Polyhead jokes here on the list for a 
>long time.
>

Lets hope not.
Instead, may I suggest that we all just block the asshole from our inboxes 
and forget that this particular putrid excuse for humanity exists.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Poly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: OT: OMG...





Who the hell let a four year old onto the list?

Bob Blakely posted this some years ago in reply to Antonio Aparicio.
It bears repeating, given the recent arrival of the polymanchild, who, like
Antonio, seems to be a person of limited intellectual resources.

"All groups of people have unwritten rules of social interaction. Most rules
of social interaction revolve around respect. If someone treats another
without respect, ALL members of the group take note. If the disrespecting
member is new, this behavior is all the group knows of them and they will
form their impressions accordingly. If the member is long standing, the
group has a base wherein to judge the behavior as not usual for the
offender. Members may not like the disruption in the group, but will
understand when a member defends him/herself when attacked, but they will be
irritated if it goes on too long. That's because the group is more important
than the individual. Respected members of the group apologize, not just for
their transgressions, but also for being part of an offensive interchange.
They do this without any "but's", "if's" or "however's" or other self
justifications. Most folks learn this in kindergarten. Some do not. They sit
around wondering why folks are reacting to them the way they are, and spend
much of their interchange blaming others. Some folks are simply abrasive by
nature. Others are just so narcissistic that they cannot see or acknowledge,
even to themselves, their abrasiveness and transgressions and are therefore
incapable of changing or apologizing."


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Re: OT: OMG...

[Mark Roberts]

John Francis wrote:

>I see no significant difference from a
>legal standpoint between passing silly "facts" around on the internet
>(which you seem to feel is somehow OK) and publishing them in a book.

You're joking, right? It's called "profit". 
Penguin's lawyers will never let this even get to court. 


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Re: OT: OMG...

[John Francis]

On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 10:25:04AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> keith_w wrote:
> 
> >David Savage wrote:
> >> ...he's turning soft.
> >
> >Which "he" is that? Chuck Norris?
> >Why do you say that?
> >
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
> >> subverted by a more insidious force:
> >> 
> >> Lawyers???
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> Dave (well it made me laugh :-)
> >
> >I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.
> 
> My first thought was that it was a suit against people passing those 
> silly "facts about Chuck Norris" around the Internet, which would be 
> silly and frivolous. But Penguin books *publishing* the stuff without 
> clearing it with Chuck Norris? They *do* deserve to be sued. (And 
> whoever greenlighted the project without running it by the company 
> lawyers should be shown the door...)

I doubt if that happened.  I suspect the lawyers (not exactly a
group known for risk taking) probably feel they have a good case.

I think I agree with them.  I see no significant difference from a
legal standpoint between passing silly "facts" around on the internet
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Re: OT: OMG...

[John Francis]

On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 03:15:54PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> 
> >Hey d**khead,
> >Both of my boys have had Testicular cancer in the last 5 years.
> >You're in my killfile, crawl back in your hole now.
> 
> Bob, a little bit of Googling would have revealed that this character 
> has a long history of deliberately disrupting various discussion fora 
> with this kind of baiting. Some people get their kicks that way.

As I said . . . a classic Internet troll.  Killfile him and move on.


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Re: OT: OMG...

[P. J. Alling]

It is kind of hard to roundhouse kick a a large corporation, and dealing 
with each employee an office at a time seems too much like a career

David Savage wrote:
> ...he's turning soft.
>
> 
>
> Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
> subverted by a more insidious force:
>
> Lawyers???
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Mark Roberts]

Bob Sullivan wrote:

>Hey d**khead,
>Both of my boys have had Testicular cancer in the last 5 years.
>You're in my killfile, crawl back in your hole now.

Bob, a little bit of Googling would have revealed that this character 
has a long history of deliberately disrupting various discussion fora 
with this kind of baiting. Some people get their kicks that way.

When everyone has him killfiled he'll interpret the lack of response to 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Polyhead]

My mother had cancer, I saw what it did to her.  Its exactly the sort of fate i 
would wish upon anyone that would do anything to restrict freedom of speech.  I 
would say I hope they die in a far, but thats much too quick.  No, no, i want 
to see lawyers and freedom haters suffer, and suffer horribly.

> That was a very insensitive thing to say. Absolutely unacceptable in 
> polite company.  This is ostensibly a family-friendly list.
> Perhaps you have not had the experience of having somebody you know 
> wither away and die from cancer. If that's true, you've been very lucky so 
> far. I hope that luck holds out for you. If you have, then I would say that 
> you are possibly the most insensitive person out there.
> I try really hard not to get swept-up in the average flame war.
>   We have many people on this list from all over the world.  Most of the 
> regular posters are quite easy to get along with.  True, some are more work 
> to deal with but they generally have some redeeming qualities that make the 
> work worthwhile.  Many of us have been coexisting here for a very long time.
> You need to go back from whence you came and learn how to get along with 
> people.  Your redeeming qualities have so far remained quite hidden.  Maybe 
> you're not as difficult in person but your internet bravado isn't endearing 
> at all.
> Please make some attempt to get along with people or hit the road.  When 
> you've gathered what it takes to be part of a community, you're welcome to 
> return to talk about cameras and pictures.
> 
> This isn't really a personal thing.  Honestly, I'm more interested in the 
> equilibrium of the list than poking at you.
> 
> Please have a nice Christmas.
> 
> Cory Waters
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Polyhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> * 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[pnstenquist]

Agreed. Another bit of idiocy from this child.
Paul
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> Hey d**khead,
> Both of my boys have had Testicular cancer in the last 5 years.
> You're in my killfile, crawl back in your hole now.
> Bob S.
> 
> On Dec 23, 2007 5:23 AM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Bob Sullivan]

Hey d**khead,
Both of my boys have had Testicular cancer in the last 5 years.
You're in my killfile, crawl back in your hole now.
Bob S.

On Dec 23, 2007 5:23 AM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[graywolf]

I predict that we will be hearing Polyhead jokes here on the list for a long 
time.

You have stepped over the boundaries of acceptable behavior for this list.  One 
of the rights you are ignoring is the right to petition the courts for redress 
of injuries. Also freedom of speech does not include the right to slander or 
libel, to threaten, or to curse people, all of those are clearly actionable. It 
is merely the right to express your opinion without being arrested for it. AND, 
it goes both ways, others have the right to express their opinions also; for 
some reason the people who start yelling "Freedom of speech" never want to 
allow 
it to the other guy.

I have not published this link in a long while but I guess we can all use a 
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Polyhead wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:39:14 +0900
> "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2007 8:23 PM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.
>>> And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.
>> Ahhh another internet tough guy...
>>
>> That was seriously uncalled for.
> 
> Supporting frivolous lawsuits that restrict freedom of speech, no, you 
> deserve to die of nut cancer.
> 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/23/2007 2:34:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.


keith whaley

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[Cotty]

On 23/12/07, cbwaters, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Most of the 
>regular posters are quite easy to get along with.  True, some are more work 
>to deal with but they generally have some redeeming qualities that make the 
>work worthwhile.

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Re: OT: OMG...

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On Dec 23, 2007 7:13 AM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:39:14 +0900
> "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 23, 2007 8:23 PM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.
> > >
> > > And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.
> >
> > Ahhh another internet tough guy...
> >
> > That was seriously uncalled for.
>
> Supporting frivolous lawsuits that restrict freedom of speech, no, you 
> deserve to die of nut cancer.

I think its time you sell your P30 and buy a Nikon D40x. You'll fit
right in on those BB's.

No off to set up my kill files.

Dave
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Mark Roberts]

keith_w wrote:

>David Savage wrote:
>> ...he's turning soft.
>
>Which "he" is that? Chuck Norris?
>Why do you say that?
>
>> 
>> 
>> Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
>> subverted by a more insidious force:
>> 
>> Lawyers???
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dave (well it made me laugh :-)
>
>I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.

My first thought was that it was a suit against people passing those 
silly "facts about Chuck Norris" around the Internet, which would be 
silly and frivolous. But Penguin books *publishing* the stuff without 
clearing it with Chuck Norris? They *do* deserve to be sued. (And 
whoever greenlighted the project without running it by the company 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[cbwaters]

That was a very insensitive thing to say. Absolutely unacceptable in 
polite company.  This is ostensibly a family-friendly list.
Perhaps you have not had the experience of having somebody you know 
wither away and die from cancer. If that's true, you've been very lucky so 
far. I hope that luck holds out for you. If you have, then I would say that 
you are possibly the most insensitive person out there.
I try really hard not to get swept-up in the average flame war.
  We have many people on this list from all over the world.  Most of the 
regular posters are quite easy to get along with.  True, some are more work 
to deal with but they generally have some redeeming qualities that make the 
work worthwhile.  Many of us have been coexisting here for a very long time.
You need to go back from whence you came and learn how to get along with 
people.  Your redeeming qualities have so far remained quite hidden.  Maybe 
you're not as difficult in person but your internet bravado isn't endearing 
at all.
Please make some attempt to get along with people or hit the road.  When 
you've gathered what it takes to be part of a community, you're welcome to 
return to talk about cameras and pictures.

This isn't really a personal thing.  Honestly, I'm more interested in the 
equilibrium of the list than poking at you.

Please have a nice Christmas.

Cory Waters


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Re: OT: OMG...

[Brian Walters]

Well...

As one who has suffered from precisely that affliction, I find your suggestion 
(along with almost everything else your foul mouth spews out) highly offensive.

Why don't you do us all a favour and piss off.


Cheers (no, I take that back)

Brian

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Quoting Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > > And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.
> > 
> Supporting frivolous lawsuits that restrict freedom of speech, no,
> you deserve to die of nut cancer.
>

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Polyhead]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:39:14 +0900
"David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Dec 23, 2007 8:23 PM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.
> >
> > And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.
> 
> Ahhh another internet tough guy...
> 
> That was seriously uncalled for.

Supporting frivolous lawsuits that restrict freedom of speech, no, you deserve 
to die of nut cancer.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[David Savage]

On Dec 23, 2007 7:33 PM, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Savage wrote:
> > ...he's turning soft.
>
> Which "he" is that? Chuck Norris?
> Why do you say that?
>
>
> > 
> >
> > Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
> > subverted by a more insidious force:
> >
> > Lawyers???
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave (well it made me laugh :-)
> >
>
> I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.

I agree but as soon as I read it I had images of lawers getting the
better of his powerful roundhouse kick :-)

Cheers,

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Re: OT: OMG...

[David Savage]

On Dec 23, 2007 8:23 PM, Polyhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.
>
> And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.

Ahhh another internet tough guy...

That was seriously uncalled for.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Polyhead]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:33:00 -0800
keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> David Savage wrote:
> > ...he's turning soft.
> 
> Which "he" is that? Chuck Norris?
> Why do you say that?
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
> > subverted by a more insidious force:
> > 
> > Lawyers???
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Dave (well it made me laugh :-)
> > 
> 
> I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.

And I hope you die of a horrible cancer on your balls.

> keith whaley
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Re: OT: OMG...

[keith_w]

David Savage wrote:
> ...he's turning soft.

Which "he" is that? Chuck Norris?
Why do you say that?

> 
> 
> Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
> subverted by a more insidious force:
> 
> Lawyers???
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave (well it made me laugh :-)
> 

I think the suit is appropriate and I hope it's successful.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Polyhead]

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:01:34 +
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >>> Ben: "First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a
> >>> faggot."
> >>
> >> What a queer thing to say, Ben.
> >
> >I may be a homosexual, but I thought it a bit mary too.
> 
> Yes but where's your pride?

you do NOT want me to answer that!

> 
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Re: OT: OMG...

[Polyhead]

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:16:54 -0800
Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Bob Blakely wrote:
> 
> >> Ben: "First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a
> >> faggot."
> >
> > What a queer thing to say, Ben.
> 
> I may be a homosexual, but I thought it a bit mary too.

well you have to have a disclaimer for the word faggot these days.  Heh, i 
called someone a fag in public once, and like 30 people surouned me, then i 
said "hey, get off my ass." that REALLY pissed them off.  It was my best freind 
i was calling a fag, we ride bmx together, and we like go around throwing elbos 
and tail whips at eachother calling eachother fags.  ... I guess by age 29 we 
should grow out of such humor but...

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Cotty]

>>> Ben: "First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a
>>> faggot."
>>
>> What a queer thing to say, Ben.
>
>I may be a homosexual, but I thought it a bit mary too.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Bob Blakely]

HAR!

Regards,
Bob...
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From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Bob Blakely wrote:
> 
>>> Ben: "First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a
>>> faggot."
>>
>> What a queer thing to say, Ben.
> 
> I may be a homosexual, but I thought it a bit mary too.


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Re: OT: OMG...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Bob Blakely wrote:

>> Ben: "First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a
>> faggot."
>
> What a queer thing to say, Ben.

I may be a homosexual, but I thought it a bit mary too.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Bob Blakely]

> Ben: "First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a 
> faggot."

What a queer thing to say, Ben.

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Re: OT: OMG...

[Polyhead]

First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a faggot.

> ...he's turning soft.
> 
> 
> 
> Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
> subverted by a more insidious force:
> 
> Lawyers???
> 
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> 
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Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[graywolf]

It is a rule of the employment world, if you know what you are doing they won't 
hire you. You would just make the boss look bad.

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Mark Roberts wrote:
John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:45:48 +0400, you wrote:


1. Give the darn thing to the hands of capable technician if you have 
one available.
They don't exist anymore. If they ever did. 


My S.O. refers to the University of Pittsburgh's I.S. technical support
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Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[Mark Roberts]

John Mustarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:45:48 +0400, you wrote:
>
>>1. Give the darn thing to the hands of capable technician if you have 
>>one available.
>
>They don't exist anymore. If they ever did. 

My S.O. refers to the University of Pittsburgh's I.S. technical support
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RE: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

yeah, but how do i reformat when i can't even get to a dos prompt?

i'll reformat if i have to - it is no biggie really cause i don't have any
data on my lappy...

i was about to ebay this laptop to go toward my GFM trip - i can't believe
how many obstacles keep arising to do with $$$ for this trip.  Last week a
speeding fine, last Wednesday our landline died and it was only fixed this
morning (yes, we have had no phone for over a week!), so I ring a lady who
had enquired for a wedding booking last week, she was just about to pay me a
deposit for the gig, and she says "oh, sorry, you didn't ring me back so I
booked someone else", and now this! SOMEBODY doesn't want me going to GFM,
it's sabotage I tell ya.  Cotty, you don't practice telekenesis by any
chance do you?

tan.



-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 1:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...


If you had blown anything up, you wouldn't get the page fault screen,
I don't think.
I've always found that Windows problems are best fixed by a C drive
format and re installation of the OS.

Hoiwever, this is a fairly major undertaking, hopefully you will get
better advice than this.

William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography"
Subject: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...


>
> laptop experts unite!  I have just been changing some software
around on my
> laptop, in preparation for GFM, and began to run a disk clean up.
I walked
> away from it and came back to a blank screen. Thinking it had just
shut down
> to save on the battery, I turned it back on and it began to reboot
but then
> came up with this blue "Stop" screen.  When I try all of the
options that it
> suggests, it just keeps coming back to the same screen.  It won't
even allow
> me to boot in safe mode.  I am running Win 2000 Pro, on this
machine.  It
> appears to begin to boot normally, gets as far as the Windows logo
screen
> and then, bam, the error page comes up.
>
> The error page is blue with white writing that reads:
>
> ***STOP: 0x0050 (0xC1080212,0x, 0x804Ac321,0x)
> PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
>
> ***Address 804Ac321 base at 8040, DateStamp 3ee6c002 -
ntoskrnle.exe
>
> If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen,
restart your
> computer.  If this screen appears again, follow these steps:
>
> Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly
installed.
> If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software
manufacturer
> for any Windows 2000 updates you might need.
>
> If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed
hardware or
> software.  Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or
shadowing.
> If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable components,
restart your
> computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then
select Safe
> Mode.
>
> Refer to your Getting Started manual for more information on
troubleshooting
> Stop errors.
>
> Well, it won't let me reboot to Safe Mode or any other mode for
that matter,
> and when I press F12 to enter the BIOS at startup it says:
>
> Intel UNDI, PXE-2.0 (build 071)
> PXE-E61: Media Test Failure: Check cable.
>
> Plase don't tell me I've blown a motherboard or CPU
>
> help!
>
> tan.
>
>
>

Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[Ryan Lee]

Tan, I know this will probably sound like the unlikeliest of answers, but I
suspect you need an older version of your display driver. A while ago I had
the same problem on my laptop after installing the ATI graphics display
driver Windows Update prompted me to install. The computer would load up
normally showing the red and black Compaq screen, then the white with
graphics Windows 2000 loading screen, then after that the screen goes blue
with that error, and the computer restarts and it keeps going on in some
loop.

I think what I did was let it start and repeatedly tap F8 in the hope of
catching the safe mode option. After that I reverted to some old drivers I
had saved and it went back to normal, much to my relief. After that I
discovered Windows update and Compaq both offered display drivers which
caused that problem for some strange reason. These days I just avoid
installing them when doing updates.

If you can't get into safemode, what you probably could try is booting from
a diskette and try installing the drivers from the command prompt. Another
desperate option is leaving your Windows 2000 installation disk in the drive
and let it boot and reinstall Windows (which unfortunately means
reinstalling programs).

Ry

- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:55 AM
Subject: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...


>
> laptop experts unite!  I have just been changing some software around on
my
> laptop, in preparation for GFM, and began to run a disk clean up.  I
walked
> away from it and came back to a blank screen. Thinking it had just shut
down
> to save on the battery, I turned it back on and it began to reboot but
then
> came up with this blue "Stop" screen.  When I try all of the options that
it
> suggests, it just keeps coming back to the same screen.  It won't even
allow
> me to boot in safe mode.  I am running Win 2000 Pro, on this machine.  It
> appears to begin to boot normally, gets as far as the Windows logo screen
> and then, bam, the error page comes up.
>
> The error page is blue with white writing that reads:
>
> ***STOP: 0x0050 (0xC1080212,0x, 0x804Ac321,0x)
> PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
>
> ***Address 804Ac321 base at 8040, DateStamp 3ee6c002 - ntoskrnle.exe
>
> If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen, restart your
> computer.  If this screen appears again, follow these steps:
>
> Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly installed.
> If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer
> for any Windows 2000 updates you might need.
>
> If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed hardware or
> software.  Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or shadowing.
> If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable components, restart your
> computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then select
Safe
> Mode.
>
> Refer to your Getting Started manual for more information on
troubleshooting
> Stop errors.
>
> Well, it won't let me reboot to Safe Mode or any other mode for that
matter,
> and when I press F12 to enter the BIOS at startup it says:
>
> Intel UNDI, PXE-2.0 (build 071)
> PXE-E61: Media Test Failure: Check cable.
>
> Plase don't tell me I've blown a motherboard or CPU
>
> help!
>
> tan.
>
>
>

Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[Shel Belinkoff]

Sometimes just reinstalling the OS works. I'd certainly try
that (if possible) before reformatting and having to reload
all the programs and files again.

shel 

William Robb wrote:
> 
> If you had blown anything up, you wouldn't get the page fault screen,
> I don't think.
> I've always found that Windows problems are best fixed by a C drive
> format and re installation of the OS.
> 
> Hoiwever, this is a fairly major undertaking, hopefully you will get
> better advice than this.

Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Tan,

I can't help you, only commiserate.  
There seems to be a lot of that going around lately ;-((

shel (who lost all the CD drives on 'puter #3 yesterday)

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> 
> laptop experts unite!  
> The error page is blue with white writing that reads:
> 
> ***STOP: 0x0050 (0xC1080212,0x, 0x804Ac321,0x)
> PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

[big snip]

Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[Steve Jolly]

Yo.

The error you get when you boot Windows *could* be a memory problem, 
although that error message can be caused by a large number of things. 
The error that you get when you press F12 is rather more curious - it 
means that the computer is trying and failing to boot from the network 
instead of the local hard disk.  Is F12 definitely the key that lets you 
enter the BIOS?

S

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

laptop experts unite!  I have just been changing some software around on my
laptop, in preparation for GFM, and began to run a disk clean up.  I walked
away from it and came back to a blank screen. Thinking it had just shut down
to save on the battery, I turned it back on and it began to reboot but then
came up with this blue "Stop" screen.  When I try all of the options that it
suggests, it just keeps coming back to the same screen.  It won't even allow
me to boot in safe mode.  I am running Win 2000 Pro, on this machine.  It
appears to begin to boot normally, gets as far as the Windows logo screen
and then, bam, the error page comes up.
The error page is blue with white writing that reads:

***STOP: 0x0050 (0xC1080212,0x, 0x804Ac321,0x)
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
***Address 804Ac321 base at 8040, DateStamp 3ee6c002 - ntoskrnle.exe

If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen, restart your
computer.  If this screen appears again, follow these steps:
Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly installed.
If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer
for any Windows 2000 updates you might need.
If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed hardware or
software.  Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or shadowing.
If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable components, restart your
computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then select Safe
Mode.
Refer to your Getting Started manual for more information on troubleshooting
Stop errors.
Well, it won't let me reboot to Safe Mode or any other mode for that matter,
and when I press F12 to enter the BIOS at startup it says:
Intel UNDI, PXE-2.0 (build 071)
PXE-E61: Media Test Failure: Check cable.
Plase don't tell me I've blown a motherboard or CPU

help!

tan.

Re: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...

[William Robb]

If you had blown anything up, you wouldn't get the page fault screen,
I don't think.
I've always found that Windows problems are best fixed by a C drive
format and re installation of the OS.

Hoiwever, this is a fairly major undertaking, hopefully you will get
better advice than this.

William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography"
Subject: OT - omg, i think my laptop just died...


>
> laptop experts unite!  I have just been changing some software
around on my
> laptop, in preparation for GFM, and began to run a disk clean up.
I walked
> away from it and came back to a blank screen. Thinking it had just
shut down
> to save on the battery, I turned it back on and it began to reboot
but then
> came up with this blue "Stop" screen.  When I try all of the
options that it
> suggests, it just keeps coming back to the same screen.  It won't
even allow
> me to boot in safe mode.  I am running Win 2000 Pro, on this
machine.  It
> appears to begin to boot normally, gets as far as the Windows logo
screen
> and then, bam, the error page comes up.
>
> The error page is blue with white writing that reads:
>
> ***STOP: 0x0050 (0xC1080212,0x, 0x804Ac321,0x)
> PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
>
> ***Address 804Ac321 base at 8040, DateStamp 3ee6c002 -
ntoskrnle.exe
>
> If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen,
restart your
> computer.  If this screen appears again, follow these steps:
>
> Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly
installed.
> If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software
manufacturer
> for any Windows 2000 updates you might need.
>
> If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed
hardware or
> software.  Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or
shadowing.
> If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable components,
restart your
> computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then
select Safe
> Mode.
>
> Refer to your Getting Started manual for more information on
troubleshooting
> Stop errors.
>
> Well, it won't let me reboot to Safe Mode or any other mode for
that matter,
> and when I press F12 to enter the BIOS at startup it says:
>
> Intel UNDI, PXE-2.0 (build 071)
> PXE-E61: Media Test Failure: Check cable.
>
> Plase don't tell me I've blown a motherboard or CPU
>
> help!
>
> tan.
>
>
>