Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[Boris Liberman]

Marvelous!!!

Boris

David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)



D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
"ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
through their house.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:10 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>
> 
>
> Direct link (~190kb)
>
> 

That is so freaking cool!

Great shot.

cheers,
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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[Derby Chang]

David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)



D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
"ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
through their house.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

  


Could be Mater from "Cars" (especially the little Pixar short, "Ghostlight")

Really beautiful, Dave.

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

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2009/2/1 Bruce Dayton :
> Hello David,
>
> Got some pretty cool star trails there.  They are sure fun to shoot.
> Half the battle is to get something interesting in the shot besides
> the stars.  You've done quite well here.  Very neat shot!

Thanks Bruce. The distances I have to travel sometimes to get far
enough away from the city to first see the stars, then try & find and
interesting foreground, are crazy. But I love doing it.

> I'm curious to know more about the shoot, having done a tiny bit of
> this myself back in the film days.  Did you take many different
> shots? Did you use the digital review to help determine
> exposure...anyway, whatever you'd like to share, I'd love to hear
> about.

First order of business is to scout the location (preferably before it
gets dark) to get some ideas & always with a mind as to where the
north & south poles are.

As to the shoot, my first item of business is to set-up, focus &
compose as best as possible. Then I take a 15-30 second test exposure
at ISO 6400. I review the shot to confirm focus & framing, adjusting
as needed (repeating the short high ISO exposure until I'm happy).

Next step is to figure out the exposure. I this situation the trails
are easy There is no light pollution to worry about so I can't
overexpose the sky. I used ISO 400 because I find that the trails come
out a bit more well defined than if I shoot them at ISO 100/200. The
length of the trails comes down to how long I want them, or how
patient I'm feeling. If I want them long I'll use a lower ISO, If I
just want pin pricks then I'll leave the ISO cranked up.

In situations where there is ambient light, I use the ISO 6400 test
shot & the review image as an aid to determine the lower ISO main
shot. I'll keep adjusting the exposure length until the lighting looks
right. I then work backwards to determine the exposure at ISO 200/400.
(ie 30 seconds at ISO 6400, 1 min @ ISO 3200, 2 min @ ISO 1600 etc).
In these situations I'll sometimes expose for the foreground & then do
a longer exposure for the trails. Combine in PS & layer mask.

The tricky part in this shot is dialling in the right amount of light
painting. That comes down to trial & error & counting  one-one
thousand, two one thousand, three...etc while I'm painting & paying
attention to what I'm painting. Review the shot & adjust as needed.

I always shoot with in camera NR off. Limited time at some locations
makes 30min to +1 hr of waiting between exposures prohibitive. With
the D700 I can get away with this, but I found it not such a good idea
with the K10/20D.

That's pretty much it. Not too much science and a fair amount of gut.

Cheers,

Dave

> Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:10:44 PM, you wrote:
>
> DS> G'day All,
>
> DS> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>
> DS> 
>
> DS> Direct link (~190kb)
>
> DS> 

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

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In a message dated 2/1/2009 12:43:43 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
ozsav...@gmail.com writes:
The old truck would look  good in late afternoon/early morning light
(red earth, warm light & the  rust colour), but at night I think the
addition of the stars raises it from  what would have been a hum-drum
night light painting shot.

I also like  the image of the stars motion indication the passage of
time juxtaposed with  the old machinery.

> Other than that it's a very good   shot.

Thanks for  looking.

Cheers,

Dave

==
Yeah, I got it later  (stars, passage of time). I sounded too critical, 
sorry. It's a very good shot.  Just hoping you don't, you know, fall into the 
habit 
of doing the same thing  over and over. Even if very, very good. (That 
idea/feeling was behind my  comment.)

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David Savage]

2009/2/1  :
> In a message dated 1/30/2009 10:11:13 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> ozsav...@gmail.com writes:
> G'day All,
>
> Here is  another from my Goldfields  trip:
>
> 
>
> Direct  link  (~190kb)
>
> 
>
> ===
> Interesting.  Not sure the star pinwheel actually helps it though. While I
> like star shots and  I like truck and old junk shots, I might like the truck 
> and
> old junk shot  separate from the other. :-)

The old truck would look good in late afternoon/early morning light
(red earth, warm light & the rust colour), but at night I think the
addition of the stars raises it from what would have been a hum-drum
night light painting shot.

I also like the image of the stars motion indication the passage of
time juxtaposed with the old machinery.

> Other than that it's a very good  shot.

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David Savage]

2009/2/1 Ken Waller :
> Outstanding Dave. You can hang that!

This one is on my to print list.

> One of the better images posted here in a while IMO!

Thanks Ken. Much appreciated.

> Totally ambient light ? By the looks of the shadows cast by the truck, there
> was some other light coming in from the LH side.

No ambient light to speak of. Light painting of the foreground with
mini Maglights & the stars doing their twinkling thing.

Cheers,

Dave

>> G'day All,
>>
>> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link (~190kb)
>>
>> 

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David Savage]

2009/2/1 Doug Franklin :
> Christian wrote:
>>
>> David Savage wrote:
>
>>> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Direct link (~190kb)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>> It almost looks like a diorama with plastic models.  Really cool, Dave.
>
> Beautiful shot, Dave.

Thanks Doug.

>  What's the light source?  And did you need ND filters
> to handle the 15 minute exposure without burning things out?

 A straight 15min exposure would show almost no detail in the
foreground whatsoever. The only ambient light source is the stars so
filters aren't needed. Simple light painting for the foreground then
waiting for the trail exposure to finish.

The light source was my 2 cell LED Maglight & my friends 3 cell LED Maglight.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David Savage]

2009/1/31 Christian :
> David Savage wrote:
>>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link (~190kb)
>>
>> 
>>
>
> It almost looks like a diorama with plastic models.  Really cool, Dave.

Thanks Christian.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David Savage]

Odd. Try this link:



Cheers,

Dave

2009/1/31 ann sanfedele :
> David  - cant get to the direct link (says image inavailable) -- and can
> barely see the first one...
>
> did the tourists steal it?
>
> ann
>
> David Savage wrote:
>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link (~190kb)
>>
>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3535/3239831625_f5d71df0f4_o.jpg>

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David Savage]

Cheers Dave.

Dave

2009/1/31 David J Brooks :
> Thats a great shot.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:10 AM, David Savage  wrote:
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Direct link (~190kb)
>>
>> 

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David Savage]

Thanks Paul.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/1/31 Paul Stenquist :
> Fascinating shot.
> Paul
> On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:55 AM, Cotty wrote:
>
>> On 31/1/09, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> G'day All,
>>>
>>> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Direct link (~190kb)
>>>
>>> 

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

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2009/1/31 Cotty :
> On 31/1/09, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>G'day All,
>>
>>Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>>
>>
>>
>>Direct link (~190kb)
>>
>>
>
> Nice one Dave.

Thanks mate.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[Christine Aguila]

I love it, Dave.  I'm going to try some of this kind of shooting come better 
weather.  Your work is such an inspiration.  The August PUG is Night & 
Astro-photography!Really, really great shot.  Cheers, Christine



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G'day All,

Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)



D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
"ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
through their house.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello David,

Got some pretty cool star trails there.  They are sure fun to shoot.
Half the battle is to get something interesting in the shot besides
the stars.  You've done quite well here.  Very neat shot!

I'm curious to know more about the shoot, having done a tiny bit of
this myself back in the film days.  Did you take many different
shots? Did you use the digital review to help determine
exposure...anyway, whatever you'd like to share, I'd love to hear
about.

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Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:10:44 PM, you wrote:

DS> G'day All,

DS> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:

DS> 

DS> Direct link (~190kb)

DS> 

DS> D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

DS> This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
DS> but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
DS> the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
DS> "ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
DS> with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
DS> through their house.

DS> Enjoy.

DS> Cheers,

DS> Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

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In a message dated 1/30/2009 10:11:13 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
ozsav...@gmail.com writes:
G'day All,

Here is  another from my Goldfields  trip:



Direct  link  (~190kb)



D700,  Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

This was taken at  a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
but there are still 9  people living there. Speaking to the publican at
the bar, the locals are  kinda frustrated with people visiting their
"ghost town" & then pulling  up next to a house & loading up their car
with fridges, freezers etc, or  letting themselves in & wandering
through their  house.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

===
Interesting.  Not sure the star pinwheel actually helps it though. While I 
like star shots and  I like truck and old junk shots, I might like the truck 
and 
old junk shot  separate from the other. :-) 

Other than that it's a very good  shot.

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[Ken Waller]

Outstanding Dave. You can hang that!

One of the better images posted here in a while IMO!

Totally ambient light ? By the looks of the shadows cast by the truck, there 
was some other light coming in from the LH side.


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From: "David Savage" 

Subject: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past



G'day All,

Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)



D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
"ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
through their house.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave



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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[Doug Franklin]

Christian wrote:

David Savage wrote:



Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)





It almost looks like a diorama with plastic models.  Really cool, Dave.


Beautiful shot, Dave.  What's the light source?  And did you need ND 
filters to handle the 15 minute exposure without burning things out?


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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

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David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)





It almost looks like a diorama with plastic models.  Really cool, Dave.


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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

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David  - cant get to the direct link (says image inavailable) -- and can 
barely see the first one...


did the tourists steal it?

ann

David Savage wrote:


G'day All,

Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3535/3239831625_f5d71df0f4_o.jpg>

D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
"ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
through their house.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

[David J Brooks]

Thats a great shot.

Dave

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:10 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>
> 
>
> Direct link (~190kb)
>
> 
>
> D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.
>
> This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
> but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
> the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
> "ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
> with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
> through their house.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Fascinating shot.
Paul
On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:55 AM, Cotty wrote:


On 31/1/09, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:


G'day All,

Here is another from my Goldfields trip:



Direct link (~190kb)



D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.

This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican  
at

the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
"ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
through their house.


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Re: OT PESO - Remnants of the Past

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On 31/1/09, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

>G'day All,
>
>Here is another from my Goldfields trip:
>
>
>
>Direct link (~190kb)
>
>
>
>D700, Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 @ 24mm, 893 seconds @ f5.6, ISO 400.
>
>This was taken at a town call Kookynie. It's marked as a ghost town,
>but there are still 9 people living there. Speaking to the publican at
>the bar, the locals are kinda frustrated with people visiting their
>"ghost town" & then pulling up next to a house & loading up their car
>with fridges, freezers etc, or letting themselves in & wandering
>through their house.

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