Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-16 Thread John Whittingham
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:29:35 +, mike wilson wrote
> 
> No comment 8-)  But, if you ever get the chance, try a full frame of 
> the eye.  Magnificent.

Hi Mike

I missed this, just found it while sorting out my inbox. The eye, very 
curious about the colour, I'm sure it would look great full frame, I just 
don't have the reach. Now if I ever get a 600 f/4 or a Sigma 800 :)

John



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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-16 Thread mike wilson
John Whittingham wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:29:35 +, mike wilson wrote
> 
>>No comment 8-)  But, if you ever get the chance, try a full frame of 
>>the eye.  Magnificent.
> 
> 
> Hi Mike
> 
> I missed this, just found it while sorting out my inbox. The eye, very 
> curious about the colour, I'm sure it would look great full frame, I just 
> don't have the reach. Now if I ever get a 600 f/4 or a Sigma 800 :)
> 
> John

Nip over to the Farnes in about two months' time.  You can get right up 
to the nest with a ~100mm macro lens.  I've only got shots on film that 
do not scan adequately.  It is the most gorgeous emerald green with a 
radiating pattern.

When you get bored with that, you can try to catch puffins in flight.


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RE: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-16 Thread Bob W
> 
> When you get bored with that, you can try to catch puffins in
flight.
> 

I've tried that but I find it difficult to flap my arms and open my
mouth at the same time.

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-17 Thread John Whittingham
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:28:21 +, mike wilson wrote
> 
> Nip over to the Farnes in about two months' time.  You can get right 
> up to the nest with a ~100mm macro lens.  I've only got shots on 
> film that do not scan adequately.  It is the most gorgeous emerald 
> green with a radiating pattern.
> 
> When you get bored with that, you can try to catch puffins in flight.

It's strange how they tolerate people, don't you think? Mind you they have 
been around since the last ice age, or so I've been told. Not sure I'm up to 
catching puffins in flight 8)

John



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RE: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-17 Thread John Whittingham
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:44:01 -, Bob W wrote
> > 
> > When you get bored with that, you can try to catch puffins in
> flight.
> >
> 
> I've tried that but I find it difficult to flap my arms and open my
> mouth at the same time.
> 
> Bob

LOL



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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-17 Thread mike wilson

> 
> From: "John Whittingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/02/17 Sat PM 12:32:57 GMT
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> Subject: Re: PESO: Female Cormorant
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> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:28:21 +, mike wilson wrote
> > 
> > Nip over to the Farnes in about two months' time.  You can get right 
> > up to the nest with a ~100mm macro lens.  I've only got shots on 
> > film that do not scan adequately.  It is the most gorgeous emerald 
> > green with a radiating pattern.
> > 
> > When you get bored with that, you can try to catch puffins in flight.
> 
> It's strange how they tolerate people, don't you think? Mind you they have 
> been around since the last ice age, or so I've been told. Not sure I'm up to 
> catching puffins in flight 8)

You do need a decent sized lens to catch them, otherwise they can evade you 
easily.  I find that the 300/2.8 stuns them nicely.


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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-17 Thread John Whittingham
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:24:32 +, mike wilson wrote
> > 
> > From: "John Whittingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2007/02/17 Sat PM 12:32:57 GMT
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > Subject: Re: PESO: Female Cormorant
> > 
> > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:28:21 +, mike wilson wrote
> > > 
> > > Nip over to the Farnes in about two months' time.  You can get right 
> > > up to the nest with a ~100mm macro lens.  I've only got shots on 
> > > film that do not scan adequately.  It is the most gorgeous emerald 
> > > green with a radiating pattern.
> > > 
> > > When you get bored with that, you can try to catch puffins in flight.
> > 
> > It's strange how they tolerate people, don't you think? Mind you they 
have 
> > been around since the last ice age, or so I've been told. Not sure I'm up 
to 
> > catching puffins in flight 8)
> 
> You do need a decent sized lens to catch them, otherwise they can 
> evade you easily.  I find that the 300/2.8 stuns them nicely.

8)



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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Boris Liberman
John, not to sound impolite, but the noise and the rendering seem to
be leaving certain room for improvement. I am having now the FA 80-320
and I am struggling with the proper technique to shoot hand held at
320 mm as well. Yet, I think you may have to do a bit more homework,
so to say.

Again, no offense of any kind is meant.

Boris


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> Another Cormorant shot 8)
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> CS2, USM, crop, Noise Ninja.
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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Couple of issues - the image is a little large to be viewed without
scrolling.  This takes away from the impact.  You might consider a
smaller image size or offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
rather grainy - something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
seems overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
the overall rendering just looks washed out.

If you could take a crack at those issues and then repost, I think we
could talk about the photographic values of it - rather than the
processing aspects.

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Sunday, February 11, 2007, 8:24:58 AM, you wrote:

JW> Another Cormorant shot 8)

JW> K10D, Sigma 300 f/4 APO, f/5.6 @ 1/100 sec ISO800, RAW (DNG), SR=on, ACR,
JW> CS2, USM, crop, Noise Ninja.

JW> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5581757&size=lg

JW> Comments and critique appreciated :)

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> John, not to sound impolite, but the noise and the rendering seem to
> be leaving certain room for improvement. I am having now the FA 80-
> 320 and I am struggling with the proper technique to shoot hand held 
> at 320 mm as well. Yet, I think you may have to do a bit more 
> homework, so to say.
> 
> Again, no offense of any kind is meant.

No offence taken, the noise was unavoidable really ISO800, the light isn't 
good early morning, UK, February. Any recommendations? Anyone?

At least the SR seems to be working 8)

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> Couple of issues - the image is a little large to be viewed without
> scrolling.  This takes away from the impact.  You might consider a
> smaller image size or offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
> rather grainy - something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
> seems overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
> the overall rendering just looks washed out.
> 
> If you could take a crack at those issues and then repost, I think we
> could talk about the photographic values of it - rather than the
> processing aspects.

I'll give it a go and repost tomorrow, thanks for the constructive critique. 
I'm not sure I can do much more with the grainy look but size and exposure 
shouldn't present a problem.

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> Couple of issues - the image is a little large to be viewed without
> scrolling.  This takes away from the impact.  You might consider a
> smaller image size or offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
> rather grainy - something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
> seems overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
> the overall rendering just looks washed out.

Hi Bruce

Slight edit, better?

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> Couple of issues - the image is a little large to be viewed without
> scrolling.  This takes away from the impact.  You might consider a
> smaller image size or offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
> rather grainy - something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
> seems overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
> the overall rendering just looks washed out.

Hi Bruce

Slight edit, better?

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5582064

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 2/11/2007 9:42:56 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Couple of issues - the  image is a little large to be viewed without
> scrolling.  This takes  away from the impact.  You might consider a
> smaller image size or  offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
> rather grainy -  something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
> seems  overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
> the  overall rendering just looks washed out.

Hi Bruce

Slight edit,  better?

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5582064

John

===
Didn't  see the first, but not bad at all. Head looks a tad oversharpened, 
but I may be  unclear on what the white specks are. Nice shot. Like the stuff 
it 
is sitting  on.

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello John,

yes, much improved.  The sizing down even helped tame the noise a bit.
I think you could even go a little darker, especially in the mid
tones, but this is a good start.

Now for the photo itself, it is quite nice.  The man-made perch has
enough character to not bother me and you have caught him not looking
away.  The sharpness is quite good.  I like the photo.

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Sunday, February 11, 2007, 9:34:13 AM, you wrote:

>> Couple of issues - the image is a little large to be viewed without
>> scrolling.  This takes away from the impact.  You might consider a
>> smaller image size or offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
>> rather grainy - something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
>> seems overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
>> the overall rendering just looks washed out.

JW> Hi Bruce

JW> Slight edit, better?

JW> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5582064

JW> John


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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread mike wilson

> 
> From: "John Whittingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/02/11 Sun PM 04:24:58 GMT
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO: Female Cormorant
> 
> Another Cormorant shot 8)

No comment 8-)  But, if you ever get the chance, try a full frame of the eye.  
Magnificent.

> 
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> 
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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> yes, much improved.  The sizing down even helped tame the noise a 
> bit. I think you could even go a little darker, especially in the 
> mid tones, but this is a good start.
> 
> Now for the photo itself, it is quite nice.  The man-made perch has
> enough character to not bother me and you have caught him not looking
> away.  The sharpness is quite good.  I like the photo.

Thanks Bruce, I'll see if I can give it a little more work. I'm trying to get 
a few shots together for a local publication, I thought an article on the 
wildlife in the much improved local park would be nice.

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Boris Liberman
John, I am not Bruce, but I like this one much better than the original 
you posted.


John Whittingham wrote:
>> Couple of issues - the image is a little large to be viewed without
>> scrolling.  This takes away from the impact.  You might consider a
>> smaller image size or offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
>> rather grainy - something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
>> seems overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
>> the overall rendering just looks washed out.
> 
> Hi Bruce
> 
> Slight edit, better?
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5582064
> 
> John

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> Didn't  see the first, but not bad at all. Head looks a tad 
> oversharpened, but I may be  unclear on what the white specks are. 
> Nice shot. Like the stuff it is sitting  on.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)


Thanks fo the kind comment. The white specs are droplets of water, she'd just 
been fishing.

Regards,

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> John, I am not Bruce, but I like this one much better than the 
> original you posted.

Sorry, my mistake. I've just read up on the Cormorant, apparently it may not 
be female as both sexes share the same colouring. I have a shot of one from a 
week or so back, thought it was male, apparently it was a young one, paler 
underside, feathers green/brown in colour. 

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like this as well. Again, I didn't see the earlier version.  
Excellent detail. I might reduce overall brightness a small amount  
and perhaps burn in the light parts of the head. I don't think the  
highlights on the head are the result of oversharpening. If it was  
oversharpened, we'd be seeing artifacts in other areas.
Paul
On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 2/11/2007 9:42:56 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Couple of issues - the  image is a little large to be viewed without
>> scrolling.  This takes  away from the impact.  You might consider a
>> smaller image size or  offer multiple image sizes.  Also, it seems
>> rather grainy -  something that could be fixed perhaps.  Lastly, it
>> seems  overexposed.  The white on it's head seems blown out and
>> the  overall rendering just looks washed out.
>
> Hi Bruce
>
> Slight edit,  better?
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5582064
>
> John
>
> ===
> Didn't  see the first, but not bad at all. Head looks a tad  
> oversharpened,
> but I may be  unclear on what the white specks are. Nice shot. Like  
> the stuff it
> is sitting  on.
>
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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
Hi Paul

> I like this as well. Again, I didn't see the earlier version.  
> Excellent detail. I might reduce overall brightness a small amount  
> and perhaps burn in the light parts of the head. I don't think the  
> highlights on the head are the result of oversharpening. If it was  
> oversharpened, we'd be seeing artifacts in other areas.
> Paul


Thanks for your comments, the most amazing thing to me is how well SR handled 
the shot, I doubt I would have managed with any of my other cameras, it would 
almost certainly be a waisted exoposure, now if you were behind the 
camera...different story, or so I've been told!

John 



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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
Sometimes the myth is larger than the reality:-).
On Feb 11, 2007, at 3:31 PM, John Whittingham wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
>> I like this as well. Again, I didn't see the earlier version.
>> Excellent detail. I might reduce overall brightness a small amount
>> and perhaps burn in the light parts of the head. I don't think the
>> highlights on the head are the result of oversharpening. If it was
>> oversharpened, we'd be seeing artifacts in other areas.
>> Paul
>
>
> Thanks for your comments, the most amazing thing to me is how well SR  
> handled
> the shot, I doubt I would have managed with any of my other cameras,  
> it would
> almost certainly be a waisted exoposure, now if you were behind the
> camera...different story, or so I've been told!
>
> John
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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread John Whittingham
> Sometimes the myth is larger than the reality:-).

8) I've seen some of the evidence!

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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Heya John,

I echo what Paul said: it's a bit on the hot side, needs a bit darker  
rendering.
Good shot otherwise!

Godfrey

On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I like this as well. Again, I didn't see the earlier version.
> Excellent detail. I might reduce overall brightness a small amount
> and perhaps burn in the light parts of the head. I don't think the
> highlights on the head are the result of oversharpening. If it was
> oversharpened, we'd be seeing artifacts in other areas.
>
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5582064


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Re: PESO: Female Cormorant

2007-02-12 Thread John Whittingham
> Heya John,
> 
> I echo what Paul said: it's a bit on the hot side, needs a bit 
> darker  rendering. Good shot otherwise!

Thanks Godfrey, needs a little work then. I think my K10D is overexposing 
slightly, perhaps 1/3 of a stop, but the processing was too hot. I was trying 
to avoid darkening the image by much so as not to make the noise too obvious.

John 



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