Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
From: pnstenquist > Thanks Gonz. She was my target. > However, I should point out that I closed this thread by invoking the > nazis:-)). > Paul Quirk's Exception to Godwin's Law: Any arbitrary comparison with nazis for the purpose of ending the thread by invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
So it's not a law it's a precept. John Sessoms wrote: > From: pnstenquist > > >> Thanks Gonz. She was my target. >> However, I should point out that I closed this thread by invoking the >> nazis:-)). >> Paul >> > > Quirk's Exception to Godwin's Law: Any arbitrary comparison with nazis > for the purpose of ending the thread by invocation of Godwin's law will > be unsuccessful. > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
It was an emergency. I think it's allowed in those situations:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But you called yourself a Nazi, I'm not sure you're allowed to do that. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks Gonz. She was my target. > > However, I should point out that I closed this thread by invoking the > nazis:-)). > > Paul > > -- Original message -- > > From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Great capture of a an interesting moment. I love the expression on > >> the middle gal. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > >>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> PDML@pdml.net > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow > >>> > >> the directions. > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow > >> the directions. > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Remember, its pillage then burn. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
But you called yourself a Nazi, I'm not sure you're allowed to do that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks Gonz. She was my target. > However, I should point out that I closed this thread by invoking the > nazis:-)). > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Great capture of a an interesting moment. I love the expression on >> the middle gal. >> >> >> >> On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. >>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow >>> >> the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow >> the directions. >> > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Thanks Gonz. She was my target. However, I should point out that I closed this thread by invoking the nazis:-)). Paul -- Original message -- From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Great capture of a an interesting moment. I love the expression on > the middle gal. > > > > On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow > the directions. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
On 18/10/07, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: >A hollow, dried shell of a fruit in the Cucurbitaceae family of plants >of the genus Lagenaria. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gourd > >Cucurbitaceae includes crops like cucumbers, squashes (including >pumpkins), luffas, melons and watermelons. Look! He holds his Cucurbitaceae aloft - it is a sign - we must hold our Cucurbitaceaes aloft also..." Hmmm, doesn't quite have the right ring to it -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
John, Old folk song... I can still hear the New Christy Minstrels singing it. Regards, Bob S. On 10/18/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Cotty > > > The only gourd I have heard of before was in Judea, AD 33, about tea time: > > > > [As Brian runs out of the city, one of his shoes (or is it a > > sandal?) > >falls off. His followers stop, and Follower 5 picks it up.] > > Folowr3 He has given us a sign! > > Folowr5 He has given us... a shoe! > > Folowr3 The shoe is the sign. Let us follow his example. > > Spike What? > > Folowr3 Let us, like him, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our > > foot > > for this is His sign, and all who follow Him shall do likewise. > > Folowr2 Yes. > > Folowr5 No no no. > > Folowr2 No. > > Folowr5 The shoe is a sign that we must gather shoes together in a bundle. > > Folowr4 Cast off the shoes. Follow the gourd. > > Spike What? > > Folowr5 No. Let us gather shoes together. Let me... > > Folowr4 Get off! > > Folowr2 No, no. It is a sign that like him, we must think not of things of > > the body, but of the face, and head. > > Folowr5 Give me your shoe. > > Folowr2 Get off! > > Folowr4 Follow the gourd. The holy gourd of Jerusalem. > > When the sun goes back > and the first quail calls > Follow the drinking gourd > The old man is a-waitin' for > to carry you to freedom > Follow the drinking gourd > > Follow the drinking gourd, > follow the drinking gourd > For the old man is a-waitin' > to carry you to freedom > Follow the drinking gourd > > The river bed makes a mighty fine road, > Dead trees to show you the way > And it's left foot, peg foot, traveling on > Follow the drinking gourd > > The river ends between two hills > Follow the drinking gourd > There's another river on the other side > Follow the drinking gourd > > I thought I heard the angels say > Follow the drinking gourd > The stars in the heavens > gonna show you the way > Follow the drinking gourd > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Great capture of a an interesting moment. I love the expression on the middle gal. On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
I agree with your view Frank. Trying to constrain it to some pretentious mumbo jumbo is just nonsense to me. Whatever works for you I say. On 10/16/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/16/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul, > > > > With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street > > photography. > > Oh dear! Yet another thread on "what is street photography". > > So, not that anyone cares, but here's my take: > > I remember Shel (not to pick on Shel, who I love to death, irascible > tho' he could be) once chiding me, asking "how many frames did you > take of that subject?", then telling me that I should chat and > otherwise interact with my "street" subjects, get to know them a bit, > make them feel comfortable with me while I shoot. > > You know what? That worked for Shel. It's worked for many > photographers. Sometimes it works for me. > > Other times I prefer to be a stealthy "fly on the wall". > > There's no right or wrong for street photography. HCB wanted to be > "invisible" to his subjects. He rarely shot more than two frames of > one event (that according to his long-time developer) before moving > on. That's in direct opposition to someone like Gary Winogrand, who > shot rolls and rolls of the same subject. > > There are no rules. In fact, I think there's no such thing as "street > photography". One simply takes photographs. Either they work or they > don't. Often they work for some (like this one of Paul's that works > for me) but not for others. > > cheers, > frank > > > > > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
From: Cotty > The only gourd I have heard of before was in Judea, AD 33, about tea time: > > [As Brian runs out of the city, one of his shoes (or is it a sandal?) >falls off. His followers stop, and Follower 5 picks it up.] > Folowr3 He has given us a sign! > Folowr5 He has given us... a shoe! > Folowr3 The shoe is the sign. Let us follow his example. > Spike What? > Folowr3 Let us, like him, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot > for this is His sign, and all who follow Him shall do likewise. > Folowr2 Yes. > Folowr5 No no no. > Folowr2 No. > Folowr5 The shoe is a sign that we must gather shoes together in a bundle. > Folowr4 Cast off the shoes. Follow the gourd. > Spike What? > Folowr5 No. Let us gather shoes together. Let me... > Folowr4 Get off! > Folowr2 No, no. It is a sign that like him, we must think not of things of > the body, but of the face, and head. > Folowr5 Give me your shoe. > Folowr2 Get off! > Folowr4 Follow the gourd. The holy gourd of Jerusalem. When the sun goes back and the first quail calls Follow the drinking gourd The old man is a-waitin' for to carry you to freedom Follow the drinking gourd Follow the drinking gourd, follow the drinking gourd For the old man is a-waitin' to carry you to freedom Follow the drinking gourd The river bed makes a mighty fine road, Dead trees to show you the way And it's left foot, peg foot, traveling on Follow the drinking gourd The river ends between two hills Follow the drinking gourd There's another river on the other side Follow the drinking gourd I thought I heard the angels say Follow the drinking gourd The stars in the heavens gonna show you the way Follow the drinking gourd -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Grammar. There should be a comma separating "soup" and "femi-" ;-P > From: "P. J. Alling" > > soup femi- or safety? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Don't know why this message appeared again. Anyway, the discussion >> is over. I'm a nazi:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
From: Cotty > Er, would this be a good time to ask what a gourd is? A hollow, dried shell of a fruit in the Cucurbitaceae family of plants of the genus Lagenaria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gourd Cucurbitaceae includes crops like cucumbers, squashes (including pumpkins), luffas, melons and watermelons. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Heck I wasn't even sure if the second was hyphenated or not. John Sessoms wrote: > Grammar. There should be a comma separating "soup" and "femi-" ;-P > > >> From: "P. J. Alling" >> >> soup femi- or safety? >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Don't know why this message appeared again. Anyway, the discussion >>> is over. I'm a nazi:-). Paul >>> > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
On 16/10/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: >OK. I'm assuming that you're asking the rare serious question, and that >I'm not missing a pun (which I'm apt to do). > >A gourd is a type of fruit with a hard rind, similar to a pumpkin or >squash. The rinds are often hollowed out and used like pottery, or for >decoration. A quick Googly search will reveal plenty of photos. Thanks Scotty. The only gourd I have heard of before was in Judea, AD 33, about tea time: [As Brian runs out of the city, one of his shoes (or is it a sandal?) falls off. His followers stop, and Follower 5 picks it up.] Folowr3 He has given us a sign! Folowr5 He has given us... a shoe! Folowr3 The shoe is the sign. Let us follow his example. Spike What? Folowr3 Let us, like him, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot for this is His sign, and all who follow Him shall do likewise. Folowr2 Yes. Folowr5 No no no. Folowr2 No. Folowr5 The shoe is a sign that we must gather shoes together in a bundle. Folowr4 Cast off the shoes. Follow the gourd. Spike What? Folowr5 No. Let us gather shoes together. Let me... Folowr4 Get off! Folowr2 No, no. It is a sign that like him, we must think not of things of the body, but of the face, and head. Folowr5 Give me your shoe. Folowr2 Get off! Folowr4 Follow the gourd. The holy gourd of Jerusalem. Folowr The gourd! Folowr6 Hold up the sandal, as He has commanded us. Folowr3 It is a shoe! It is a shoe! Folowr6 It is a sandal! Folowr3 No, it is a shoe! Folowr4 Cast it away! Folowr5 Put it on! Folowr2 Clear off! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: >No. LOL!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Cotty wrote: > Er, would this be a good time to ask what a gourd is? > OK. I'm assuming that you're asking the rare serious question, and that I'm not missing a pun (which I'm apt to do). A gourd is a type of fruit with a hard rind, similar to a pumpkin or squash. The rinds are often hollowed out and used like pottery, or for decoration. A quick Googly search will reveal plenty of photos. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
No. -- Original message -- From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Er, would this be a good time to ask what a gourd is? > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's related to a squash but usually inedible... Cotty wrote: > Er, would this be a good time to ask what a gourd is? > > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
soup, definitely soup. -- Original message -- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > soup femi- or safety? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Don't know why this message appeared again. Anyway, the discussion is over. > I'm a nazi:-). > > Paul > > -- Original message -- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> Such pomp and silliness, etc. > >> > > > > > > > -- > Remember, its pillage then burn. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Er, would this be a good time to ask what a gourd is? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: > soup femi- or safety? We have liquor control Nazis in PA. Taxes, taxes, taxes, and I can't buy the booze I want. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Don't know why this message appeared again. Anyway, the discussion is over. >> I'm a nazi:-). >> Paul >> -- Original message -- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> Such pomp and silliness, etc. >>> >> > > -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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soup femi- or safety? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Don't know why this message appeared again. Anyway, the discussion is over. > I'm a nazi:-). > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Such pomp and silliness, etc. >> > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't know why this message appeared again. Anyway, the discussion is over. I'm a nazi:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Such pomp and silliness, etc. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Godfrey, Godfrey, Godfrey. wasn't discussing the merits of my photograph in that exchange with David. I was objecting to a narrow definition of street photography in general. Note my words; The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, to my mind, silliness. " Personal innuendo is your specialty, so I guess you know it when you see it. I also find it interesting how at some point in a debate, you have to resort to obscenities. Childish, but understandable. As always, I'm sure you'll have to have the last word. It's yours. I'll have no more of this. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Oct 16, 2007, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Such pomp and silliness, I never said this photograph was street > > photography. You and David decided to critique it as though it > > were. I guess that's because it's a picture of people taken > > outside. It's a shot I took while trying out my 135/2.5 at a > > farmer's market. That's all it purports to be. I find the smiles on > > the faces of the women pleasant. Others may not., That's okay. > > Cut with the stupid ad hominem nonsense. > > What I said was: > > > Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. > > There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture > > of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no > > particular emotional merit. > > You're the one who related it to Henri Cartier-Bresson work in your > discussion with David Savage. HCB is famous for his street > photography, so unless we live in a vacuum that is totally devoid of > any kind of logical association, that says you're relating it to > HCB's street photography. You are being pissy because someone didn't > find your picture very appealing and tried to explain why. Poor you! > > In fact, what I said agrees with what you just said: it's a > technically good photograph with little else to it. I agree with > David's take on it. Big fucking deal. > > If it's so unimportant to you, stuff it and stop the personal innuendo. > > G > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 16, 2007, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Such pomp and silliness, I never said this photograph was street > photography. You and David decided to critique it as though it > were. I guess that's because it's a picture of people taken > outside. It's a shot I took while trying out my 135/2.5 at a > farmer's market. That's all it purports to be. I find the smiles on > the faces of the women pleasant. Others may not., That's okay. Cut with the stupid ad hominem nonsense. What I said was: > Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. > There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture > of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no > particular emotional merit. You're the one who related it to Henri Cartier-Bresson work in your discussion with David Savage. HCB is famous for his street photography, so unless we live in a vacuum that is totally devoid of any kind of logical association, that says you're relating it to HCB's street photography. You are being pissy because someone didn't find your picture very appealing and tried to explain why. Poor you! In fact, what I said agrees with what you just said: it's a technically good photograph with little else to it. I agree with David's take on it. Big fucking deal. If it's so unimportant to you, stuff it and stop the personal innuendo. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with Frank. There's really no such thing as "street photography." There's just photography, and it takes many forms. I don't categorize what I shoot. I merely shoot. Some of my photos are well received, some are not. I find both acceptance and rejection interesting and rewarding. Attempts to analyze my work in respect to some vague and pretentious definitions will, however, be met with scorn and derision :-). However, to satidfy your request to see some work that fits your notion of what a photograph taken on the street must be, I submit the following. The first two were shot in Paris with a Barnack Leica and a 50mm Summicron. The third was shot right here in Michigan with the *istD and the FA 35/2. I am sure, however, that you will find that they lack interaction and resonance:-)). http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1542493&size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1542479&size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5690749&size=lg -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have eight HCB books, Paul. You don't respond to the kind of > interaction and resonance his work depicts, it seems. None of your > work seems to be 'street photography' in the same genre as HCB. > Please show some. > > No need to get personal. I though we were having a discussion. You've > been awfully touchy lately. > > Godfrey > > On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > HAR! You obviously haven't seen much of HCB's work. There is little > > or no "interaction." What I don't get is your pretentious notion of > > street photography. However my work in this genre has been well > > received. > > Paul > > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Paul, > >> > >> With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street > >> photography. It's all about connection, interaction, between the > >> subject and the photographer, the subjects and their surroundings, or > >> between the subjects themselves: a wry or insightful eye for > >> intimacy, juxtaposition, contrast of circumstance whether intended or > >> accidental. > >> > >> My comment has/had very little to do with focal length. Shorter focal > >> lengths, however, permit an intimate perspective, a sense of > >> connection ... not isolation. Selective focus and shallow DoF is > >> isolating, does not embue the work with a sense of connection. It > >> becomes "glimpses of people at a distance" with little to affect one > >> way or another. > >> > >> Godfrey > >> > >> > >> On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> > >>> The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but > >>> the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, > >>> to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. > >>> And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of > >>> the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to > >>> achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in > >>> the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider > >>> lenses has nothing to do with "intimacy." It's a matter of not > >>> having > >>> to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, > >>> when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or > >>> an angry response. > >>> Paul > >>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >>> > Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. > There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a > picture > of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no > particular emotional merit. > > Godfrey > > >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks > >> for looking. > >> > >> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw > >>> me in & hold my interest. > >>> > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this > afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >> and follow > >> the directions. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > and follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net htt
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Such pomp and silliness, I never said this photograph was street photography. You and David decided to critique it as though it were. I guess that's because it's a picture of people taken outside. It's a shot I took while trying out my 135/2.5 at a farmer's market. That's all it purports to be. I find the smiles on the faces of the women pleasant. Others may not., That's okay. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I made no personal attack, Paul. I was discussing street photography > with you, I thought. You seem to be unwilling to be objective about > what I'm saying and take any critique I'm making as some imagined > personal insult. That is not how it is intended or presented at all. > > I'm not a wildlife photographer. So when two wildlife photographers > sent me responses criticizing the Egret photo I posted recently, I > was very appreciative of their thoughts on the subject. Not that I > intend to become a wildlife photographer but they have insight into > the genre that I lack. > > Your work, this photo in particular, is not street photography. > Characterizing it as such is not objective. I'm looking at all the > work I can find that you've posted and see no relationship with > street photography in the fold of Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert > Frank, etc. > > Look at HCB's "Mexican Diaries". Each image has enormous amounts of > connection, interaction, between subject and environment, context. A > couple with the photographer. Can you objectively state that > "Glorious Gourd" is in the same genre? > > Godfrey > > > On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Paul, > >> > >> With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street > >> photography. > > > > > > BTW, my last post on this subject is my last post on this subject. > > As usual, you resort to personal attacks. (I admittedly reponded in > > kind.) However, I know these debates with you are endless and > > fruitless. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:31 AM, frank theriault wrote: > ... There's no right or wrong for street photography. HCB wanted > to be > "invisible" to his subjects. He rarely shot more than two frames of > one event (that according to his long-time developer) before moving > on. That's in direct opposition to someone like Gary Winogrand, who > shot rolls and rolls of the same subject. > > There are no rules. In fact, I think there's no such thing as "street > photography". One simply takes photographs. Either they work or they > don't. Often they work for some (like this one of Paul's that works > for me) but not for others. ... While I agree with the notion that 'street photography' encompasses a great diversity of approaches and styles, there is certainly some criteria by which it is recognizable. HCB didn't just "take pictures" and hope they worked. Read the articles and interviews with him ... he knew was he was trying to do. Street photography, like any other genre of photographic work, has intent behind it, whether conscious or subconscious is not always at the disposal of the photographer to know at the moment of doing. The subject matter is life in public view, expressions of its time and culture. It is documentarian in manner and peculiarly photographic in style ... not "painterly" or "abstract". Rules are for sissies. Seeing with the eye of the masters of the genre is all that matters. ];-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That a good take on it Frank Dave On 10/16/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/16/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul, > > > > With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street > > photography. > > Oh dear! Yet another thread on "what is street photography". > > So, not that anyone cares, but here's my take: > > I remember Shel (not to pick on Shel, who I love to death, irascible > tho' he could be) once chiding me, asking "how many frames did you > take of that subject?", then telling me that I should chat and > otherwise interact with my "street" subjects, get to know them a bit, > make them feel comfortable with me while I shoot. > > You know what? That worked for Shel. It's worked for many > photographers. Sometimes it works for me. > > Other times I prefer to be a stealthy "fly on the wall". > > There's no right or wrong for street photography. HCB wanted to be > "invisible" to his subjects. He rarely shot more than two frames of > one event (that according to his long-time developer) before moving > on. That's in direct opposition to someone like Gary Winogrand, who > shot rolls and rolls of the same subject. > > There are no rules. In fact, I think there's no such thing as "street > photography". One simply takes photographs. Either they work or they > don't. Often they work for some (like this one of Paul's that works > for me) but not for others. > > cheers, > frank > > > > > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I made no personal attack, Paul. I was discussing street photography with you, I thought. You seem to be unwilling to be objective about what I'm saying and take any critique I'm making as some imagined personal insult. That is not how it is intended or presented at all. I'm not a wildlife photographer. So when two wildlife photographers sent me responses criticizing the Egret photo I posted recently, I was very appreciative of their thoughts on the subject. Not that I intend to become a wildlife photographer but they have insight into the genre that I lack. Your work, this photo in particular, is not street photography. Characterizing it as such is not objective. I'm looking at all the work I can find that you've posted and see no relationship with street photography in the fold of Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert Frank, etc. Look at HCB's "Mexican Diaries". Each image has enormous amounts of connection, interaction, between subject and environment, context. A couple with the photographer. Can you objectively state that "Glorious Gourd" is in the same genre? Godfrey On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -- Original message -- > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Paul, >> >> With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street >> photography. > > > BTW, my last post on this subject is my last post on this subject. > As usual, you resort to personal attacks. (I admittedly reponded in > kind.) However, I know these debates with you are endless and > fruitless. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have eight HCB books, Paul. You don't respond to the kind of interaction and resonance his work depicts, it seems. None of your work seems to be 'street photography' in the same genre as HCB. Please show some. No need to get personal. I though we were having a discussion. You've been awfully touchy lately. Godfrey On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > HAR! You obviously haven't seen much of HCB's work. There is little > or no "interaction." What I don't get is your pretentious notion of > street photography. However my work in this genre has been well > received. > Paul > > -- Original message -- > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Paul, >> >> With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street >> photography. It's all about connection, interaction, between the >> subject and the photographer, the subjects and their surroundings, or >> between the subjects themselves: a wry or insightful eye for >> intimacy, juxtaposition, contrast of circumstance whether intended or >> accidental. >> >> My comment has/had very little to do with focal length. Shorter focal >> lengths, however, permit an intimate perspective, a sense of >> connection ... not isolation. Selective focus and shallow DoF is >> isolating, does not embue the work with a sense of connection. It >> becomes "glimpses of people at a distance" with little to affect one >> way or another. >> >> Godfrey >> >> >> On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >>> The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but >>> the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, >>> to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. >>> And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of >>> the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to >>> achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in >>> the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider >>> lenses has nothing to do with "intimacy." It's a matter of not >>> having >>> to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, >>> when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or >>> an angry response. >>> Paul >>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no particular emotional merit. Godfrey >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks >> for looking. >> >> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw >>> me in & hold my interest. >>> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow >> the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/16/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul, > > With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street > photography. Oh dear! Yet another thread on "what is street photography". So, not that anyone cares, but here's my take: I remember Shel (not to pick on Shel, who I love to death, irascible tho' he could be) once chiding me, asking "how many frames did you take of that subject?", then telling me that I should chat and otherwise interact with my "street" subjects, get to know them a bit, make them feel comfortable with me while I shoot. You know what? That worked for Shel. It's worked for many photographers. Sometimes it works for me. Other times I prefer to be a stealthy "fly on the wall". There's no right or wrong for street photography. HCB wanted to be "invisible" to his subjects. He rarely shot more than two frames of one event (that according to his long-time developer) before moving on. That's in direct opposition to someone like Gary Winogrand, who shot rolls and rolls of the same subject. There are no rules. In fact, I think there's no such thing as "street photography". One simply takes photographs. Either they work or they don't. Often they work for some (like this one of Paul's that works for me) but not for others. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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HAR! You obviously haven't seen much of HCB's work. There is little or no "interaction." What I don't get is your pretentious notion of street photography. However my work in this genre has been well received. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul, > > With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street > photography. It's all about connection, interaction, between the > subject and the photographer, the subjects and their surroundings, or > between the subjects themselves: a wry or insightful eye for > intimacy, juxtaposition, contrast of circumstance whether intended or > accidental. > > My comment has/had very little to do with focal length. Shorter focal > lengths, however, permit an intimate perspective, a sense of > connection ... not isolation. Selective focus and shallow DoF is > isolating, does not embue the work with a sense of connection. It > becomes "glimpses of people at a distance" with little to affect one > way or another. > > Godfrey > > > On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but > > the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, > > to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. > > And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of > > the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to > > achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in > > the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider > > lenses has nothing to do with "intimacy." It's a matter of not having > > to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, > > when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or > > an angry response. > > Paul > > On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > >> Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. > >> There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture > >> of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no > >> particular emotional merit. > >> > >> Godfrey > >> > I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks > for looking. > > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw > > me in & hold my interest. > > > >> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this > >> afternoon. > >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul, > > With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street > photography. BTW, my last post on this subject is my last post on this subject. As usual, you resort to personal attacks. (I admittedly reponded in kind.) However, I know these debates with you are endless and fruitless. -30- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, With all due respect, from your words you simply don't 'get' street photography. It's all about connection, interaction, between the subject and the photographer, the subjects and their surroundings, or between the subjects themselves: a wry or insightful eye for intimacy, juxtaposition, contrast of circumstance whether intended or accidental. My comment has/had very little to do with focal length. Shorter focal lengths, however, permit an intimate perspective, a sense of connection ... not isolation. Selective focus and shallow DoF is isolating, does not embue the work with a sense of connection. It becomes "glimpses of people at a distance" with little to affect one way or another. Godfrey On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:07 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but > the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, > to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. > And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of > the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to > achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in > the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider > lenses has nothing to do with "intimacy." It's a matter of not having > to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, > when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or > an angry response. > Paul > On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. >> There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture >> of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no >> particular emotional merit. >> >> Godfrey >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw > me in & hold my interest. > >> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this >> afternoon. >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg I don't see a gourd, I see three very pretty women looking at some lump of a vegetable or something. ;-) Wonderful shot. Love the expressions. You've got an eye for the ladies, Mr. S! One of my favourite lenses, too, BTW Paul... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/16/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/15/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Now I suck at street photography, so my opinion is probably worth jack. But > > I do enjoy good examples of the genre. > > Glad we only have lane ways and paths here.:-) HAR! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/15/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now I suck at street photography, so my opinion is probably worth jack. But > I do enjoy good examples of the genre. Glad we only have lane ways and paths here.:-) Dave > > Cheers, > > Dave > > At 09:27 AM 16/10/2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >That's the photographic equivealent of PC nonsense. I'm less than a > >dozen feet away from the subjects. If you use a wide lens and the > >subject doesn't see you, it's not a sniper shot? Albano has > >frequently mentioned how he likes the fact that the DA 16-45 looks > >like a telephoto at its widest point. The subject, he notes, doesn't > >realize he's being photographed. Now if one prefers the wide angle > >look with a sharp background a greater fov that's one thing, but it > >has nothing to do with "sniping." That's total bullshit. > >Paul > >On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:27 PM, David Savage wrote: > > > > > It's a long range sniper shot. Personally I don't find that kind > > > "street" photography appealing. > > > > > > When I compare it to the work by those who get in close with a wide > > > lens, it lacks the intimacy of that style. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On 10/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks > > >> for looking. > > >> Paul > > >> -- Original message -- > > >> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw > > >>> me in > > >>> & hold my interest. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> > > >>> Dave > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this > > afternoon. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
The merits of this photo are of little consequence or interest, but the notion that good street photography has to show a connection is, to my mind, silliness. Most of HCB's pics are of unaware subjects. And if the subject doesn't see the photographer, the focal length of the lens matters little. To me, it's more important to be able to achieve some selective focus -- blur the background -- than to be in the proximity of the subject. I think the big advantage of wider lenses has nothing to do with "intimacy." It's a matter of not having to focus, or at least not having to focus accurately. Most often, when the subject sees the photographer, you get either stock pose or an angry response. Paul On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. > There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture > of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no > particular emotional merit. > > Godfrey > >>> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks >>> for looking. >>> >>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in & hold my interest. > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this > afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Hadn't looked at this one, Paul, but I have to agree with David. There's no sense of connection or intimacy to me. It's just a picture of some women, nicely exposed and composed but otherwise of no particular emotional merit. Godfrey >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks >> for looking. >> >> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw >>> me in & hold my interest. >>> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Touchy, Touchy. No need to get your panties in a bunch Paul. My personal opinion of street photography is that it rarely works at a distance & without a sense of interaction. The stuff I really enjoy looking at makes you feel like you're there. This one doesn't. Technically it's a fine shot, but I feel nothing when I look at it. Now I suck at street photography, so my opinion is probably worth jack. But I do enjoy good examples of the genre. Now have another drink on me. I'll settle the tab when next I'm over that way ;-) Cheers, Dave At 09:27 AM 16/10/2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: >That's the photographic equivealent of PC nonsense. I'm less than a >dozen feet away from the subjects. If you use a wide lens and the >subject doesn't see you, it's not a sniper shot? Albano has >frequently mentioned how he likes the fact that the DA 16-45 looks >like a telephoto at its widest point. The subject, he notes, doesn't >realize he's being photographed. Now if one prefers the wide angle >look with a sharp background a greater fov that's one thing, but it >has nothing to do with "sniping." That's total bullshit. >Paul >On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:27 PM, David Savage wrote: > > > It's a long range sniper shot. Personally I don't find that kind > > "street" photography appealing. > > > > When I compare it to the work by those who get in close with a wide > > lens, it lacks the intimacy of that style. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > On 10/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks > >> for looking. > >> Paul > >> -- Original message -- > >> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw > >>> me in > >>> & hold my interest. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this > afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
That's the photographic equivealent of PC nonsense. I'm less than a dozen feet away from the subjects. If you use a wide lens and the subject doesn't see you, it's not a sniper shot? Albano has frequently mentioned how he likes the fact that the DA 16-45 looks like a telephoto at its widest point. The subject, he notes, doesn't realize he's being photographed. Now if one prefers the wide angle look with a sharp background a greater fov that's one thing, but it has nothing to do with "sniping." That's total bullshit. Paul On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:27 PM, David Savage wrote: > It's a long range sniper shot. Personally I don't find that kind > "street" photography appealing. > > When I compare it to the work by those who get in close with a wide > lens, it lacks the intimacy of that style. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > On 10/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks >> for looking. >> Paul >> -- Original message -- >> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw >>> me in >>> & hold my interest. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
It's a long range sniper shot. Personally I don't find that kind "street" photography appealing. When I compare it to the work by those who get in close with a wide lens, it lacks the intimacy of that style. Cheers, Dave On 10/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in > > & hold my interest. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Thanks Rebekah. Paul -- Original message -- From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Great! I love the color in this one and the expressions are great :) > > rg2 > > On 10/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for > > looking. > > Paul > > -- Original message -- > > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in > > > & hold my interest. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > > > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow > > > the directions. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow > the directions. > > > > > -- > "the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition" > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Great! I love the color in this one and the expressions are great :) rg2 On 10/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in > > & hold my interest. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow > > the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- "the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
I'm not sure what you mean, but I appreciate the comments. Thanks for looking. Paul -- Original message -- From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in > & hold my interest. > > Cheers, > > Dave > > > > On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Thanks for looking. I don't believe they saw me, but I could be wrong. Paul -- Original message -- From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The timing looks about right, but for me, the eyes of the left two > girls just don't work. They are showing interest in either the gourd > or you. An 'almost' shot for me > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > > Sunday, October 14, 2007, 5:10:03 PM, you wrote: > > PS> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > PS> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
It generates a detached feeling for me, and as such doesn't draw me in & hold my interest. Cheers, Dave On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
The timing looks about right, but for me, the eyes of the left two girls just don't work. They are showing interest in either the gourd or you. An 'almost' shot for me -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, October 14, 2007, 5:10:03 PM, you wrote: PS> Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. PS> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Thanks Dave. I foucused on the middle woman. She was the prettiest :-). But she's also the one who was interacting with the gourd:-)). I believe I was at f4 or 5.6. (Can't look now. I'm at work.) I wanted enough DOF to get decent sharpness on all three while blurring the busy background. Markets are fertile ground for walkaround shooting. Paul -- Original message -- From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hope you got the gourds permission.;-) > > Great detail on the middle woman. > > Dave > > On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow > the directions. > > > > > -- > Equine Photography > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > Ontario Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Hope you got the gourds permission.;-) Great detail on the middle woman. Dave On 10/14/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
Well, I'm pleased that it brought a smile. Paul On Oct 14, 2007, at 9:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 10/14/2007 5:12:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this > afternoon. > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg > > == > That's sort of amusing. Heh. > > Marnie aka Doe :-) > > - > Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. > > > > > ** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Glorious Gourd
In a message dated 10/14/2007 5:12:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another shot with the K 135/2.5 at the farmer's market this afternoon. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6529425&size=lg == That's sort of amusing. Heh. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
