Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
Thanks for the suggestions, all! I really like this group… Rick > On Mar 1, 2023, at 6:56 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > I three that it is better :-) > > ann > > On 2/28/2023 11:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> I agree that it is indeed better. >> >> >>> On Feb 28, 2023, at 6:38 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >>> >>> Bill, this is the best I could do; it -is- an improvement methinks: >>> >>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-wwVgf5Z/A >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rick >>> On Feb 28, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Bill wrote: On 2/28/2023 6:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > Bill, I shoot DNGs with Adobe RGB color space. Adobe is using ProPhoto > RGB. > > Rick That's pretty much what I do, but I set to sRGB because the raw file doesn't care, but I get one more letter for filename customization. ProPhoto is the widest gamut available, sRGB is the smallest. See: https://learn.zoner.com/srgb-prophoto-rgb-and-more-do-you-know-your-color-spaces/ ProPhoto handles cyan much better. That being the opposite of red, reds benefit. Of course, when we convert to sRGB, all that nice cyan information is gone and the reds saturate and block up and all seem to be the same shade. And that is why the red flower needed a little help for the web. At least, that's what I understand how it works. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com sent from ret4est >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > ann sanfedele photography > https://annsan.smugmug.com > https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts > https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan > https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
I three that it is better :-) ann On 2/28/2023 11:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I agree that it is indeed better. On Feb 28, 2023, at 6:38 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Bill, this is the best I could do; it -is- an improvement methinks: https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-wwVgf5Z/A Cheers, Rick On Feb 28, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Bill wrote: On 2/28/2023 6:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Bill, I shoot DNGs with Adobe RGB color space. Adobe is using ProPhoto RGB. Rick That's pretty much what I do, but I set to sRGB because the raw file doesn't care, but I get one more letter for filename customization. ProPhoto is the widest gamut available, sRGB is the smallest. See: https://learn.zoner.com/srgb-prophoto-rgb-and-more-do-you-know-your-color-spaces/ ProPhoto handles cyan much better. That being the opposite of red, reds benefit. Of course, when we convert to sRGB, all that nice cyan information is gone and the reds saturate and block up and all seem to be the same shade. And that is why the red flower needed a little help for the web. At least, that's what I understand how it works. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret4est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
I agree that it is indeed better. > On Feb 28, 2023, at 6:38 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > Bill, this is the best I could do; it -is- an improvement methinks: > > https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-wwVgf5Z/A > > Cheers, > > Rick > >> On Feb 28, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Bill wrote: >> >> On 2/28/2023 6:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >>> Bill, I shoot DNGs with Adobe RGB color space. Adobe is using ProPhoto RGB. >>> >>> Rick >> That's pretty much what I do, but I set to sRGB because the raw file doesn't >> care, but I get one more letter for filename customization. >> ProPhoto is the widest gamut available, sRGB is the smallest. >> >> See: >> https://learn.zoner.com/srgb-prophoto-rgb-and-more-do-you-know-your-color-spaces/ >> >> ProPhoto handles cyan much better. That being the opposite of red, reds >> benefit. >> Of course, when we convert to sRGB, all that nice cyan information is gone >> and the reds saturate and block up and all seem to be the same shade. >> And that is why the red flower needed a little help for the web. >> >> At least, that's what I understand how it works. >> >> bill >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret4est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
I like that a lot better. The overall view of it is happier, Ann's comment about lightening it a bit was a good one, and now the red flower has more presence. I like that the white flower is brighter as well. I like this presentation. thanks bill On 2/28/2023 8:38 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Bill, this is the best I could do; it -is- an improvement methinks: https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-wwVgf5Z/A Cheers, Rick On Feb 28, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Bill wrote: On 2/28/2023 6:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Bill, I shoot DNGs with Adobe RGB color space. Adobe is using ProPhoto RGB. Rick That's pretty much what I do, but I set to sRGB because the raw file doesn't care, but I get one more letter for filename customization. ProPhoto is the widest gamut available, sRGB is the smallest. See: https://learn.zoner.com/srgb-prophoto-rgb-and-more-do-you-know-your-color-spaces/ ProPhoto handles cyan much better. That being the opposite of red, reds benefit. Of course, when we convert to sRGB, all that nice cyan information is gone and the reds saturate and block up and all seem to be the same shade. And that is why the red flower needed a little help for the web. At least, that's what I understand how it works. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
Bill, this is the best I could do; it -is- an improvement methinks: https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-wwVgf5Z/A Cheers, Rick > On Feb 28, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Bill wrote: > > On 2/28/2023 6:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> Bill, I shoot DNGs with Adobe RGB color space. Adobe is using ProPhoto RGB. >> >> Rick > That's pretty much what I do, but I set to sRGB because the raw file doesn't > care, but I get one more letter for filename customization. > ProPhoto is the widest gamut available, sRGB is the smallest. > > See: > https://learn.zoner.com/srgb-prophoto-rgb-and-more-do-you-know-your-color-spaces/ > > ProPhoto handles cyan much better. That being the opposite of red, reds > benefit. > Of course, when we convert to sRGB, all that nice cyan information is gone > and the reds saturate and block up and all seem to be the same shade. > And that is why the red flower needed a little help for the web. > > At least, that's what I understand how it works. > > bill > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
On 2/28/2023 6:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Bill, I shoot DNGs with Adobe RGB color space. Adobe is using ProPhoto RGB. Rick That's pretty much what I do, but I set to sRGB because the raw file doesn't care, but I get one more letter for filename customization. ProPhoto is the widest gamut available, sRGB is the smallest. See: https://learn.zoner.com/srgb-prophoto-rgb-and-more-do-you-know-your-color-spaces/ ProPhoto handles cyan much better. That being the opposite of red, reds benefit. Of course, when we convert to sRGB, all that nice cyan information is gone and the reds saturate and block up and all seem to be the same shade. And that is why the red flower needed a little help for the web. At least, that's what I understand how it works. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
Bill, I shoot DNGs with Adobe RGB color space. Adobe is using ProPhoto RGB. Rick > On Feb 28, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Bill wrote: > > Depending on the colour space you edit in, converting to sRGB can kill things > like highlights and especially reds, which have a tiny little gamut in sRGB. > > bill > > On 2/28/2023 5:19 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> Thanks, Bill. >> >> The odd thing is that I did a series of adjustments to the dng file, >> increasing contrast and saturation and brightening the flowers. When I >> converted the dngs to jpgs, the changes were there but subtle. Usually the >> jpg is much closer to the final dng. >> >> Methinks I will try again, abandoning any subtlety. >> >> Rick >> >>> On Feb 28, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Bill wrote: >>> >>> On 2/28/2023 2:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Sunlight came through our living room window at just the right time. https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-F8Mft6Q/A (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments always appreciated. >>> That is really quite pretty. >>> If I could make a suggestion, go back in and raise the reds and the whites/ >>> highlights just a little wee bit. Just to give them a bit of pop. >>> I don't do this often, but I took the liberty of downloading the image. I >>> put it into Camera Raw and raised the whites/highlights just enough to have >>> the clipping warning come on, and the reds I dialed in -21. >>> >>> I really like that image. >>> >>> bill >>> >>> > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
Depending on the colour space you edit in, converting to sRGB can kill things like highlights and especially reds, which have a tiny little gamut in sRGB. bill On 2/28/2023 5:19 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Thanks, Bill. The odd thing is that I did a series of adjustments to the dng file, increasing contrast and saturation and brightening the flowers. When I converted the dngs to jpgs, the changes were there but subtle. Usually the jpg is much closer to the final dng. Methinks I will try again, abandoning any subtlety. Rick On Feb 28, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Bill wrote: On 2/28/2023 2:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Sunlight came through our living room window at just the right time. https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-F8Mft6Q/A (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments always appreciated. That is really quite pretty. If I could make a suggestion, go back in and raise the reds and the whites/ highlights just a little wee bit. Just to give them a bit of pop. I don't do this often, but I took the liberty of downloading the image. I put it into Camera Raw and raised the whites/highlights just enough to have the clipping warning come on, and the reds I dialed in -21. I really like that image. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
yes it did.. :-) I think you could lighten the whole thing up a bit though.. peaked at the next photo.. same thing going on on my street.. that is it looks like sink hole or water pipe problem.. ann On 2/28/2023 3:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Sunlight came through our living room window at just the right time. https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-F8Mft6Q/A (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments always appreciated. Rick -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
Thanks, Bill. The odd thing is that I did a series of adjustments to the dng file, increasing contrast and saturation and brightening the flowers. When I converted the dngs to jpgs, the changes were there but subtle. Usually the jpg is much closer to the final dng. Methinks I will try again, abandoning any subtlety. Rick > On Feb 28, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Bill wrote: > > On 2/28/2023 2:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> Sunlight came through our living room window at just the right time. >> >> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-F8Mft6Q/A >> >> (K-5, DA 17-70) >> >> Comments always appreciated. > That is really quite pretty. > If I could make a suggestion, go back in and raise the reds and the whites/ > highlights just a little wee bit. Just to give them a bit of pop. > I don't do this often, but I took the liberty of downloading the image. I put > it into Camera Raw and raised the whites/highlights just enough to have the > clipping warning come on, and the reds I dialed in -21. > > I really like that image. > > bill > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flowers' Shadow
On 2/28/2023 2:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Sunlight came through our living room window at just the right time. https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/February-2023/Feb-miscellany/i-F8Mft6Q/A (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments always appreciated. That is really quite pretty. If I could make a suggestion, go back in and raise the reds and the whites/ highlights just a little wee bit. Just to give them a bit of pop. I don't do this often, but I took the liberty of downloading the image. I put it into Camera Raw and raised the whites/highlights just enough to have the clipping warning come on, and the reds I dialed in -21. I really like that image. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
