RE: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
Looks better ... but still not like a real Uzi. Did you go to one of the numerous Uzi pages and check out the gun pix? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I worked on the plastic gun on that pic I posted last week. I've never seen a real Uzi, and I doubt that this even comes close. But I do think it looks somewhat less plastic than it did as shot (so to speak). If any of you gun guys have a hint on how it might make it look more realistic, I'm all ears. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822906size=lg If you want to see what the gun looked like before retouching, you can check it out in the other shot. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822917size=lg
Re: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
Good idea, Shel. Thanks. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Looks better ... but still not like a real Uzi. Did you go to one of the numerous Uzi pages and check out the gun pix? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I worked on the plastic gun on that pic I posted last week. I've never seen a real Uzi, and I doubt that this even comes close. But I do think it looks somewhat less plastic than it did as shot (so to speak). If any of you gun guys have a hint on how it might make it look more realistic, I'm all ears. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822906size=lg If you want to see what the gun looked like before retouching, you can check it out in the other shot. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822917size=lg
Re: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
You might start by looking at photos of Mac-10, M10, or M11 variants. Your toy gun is based on these, not an UZI. Besides, I think your touch up doesn't look too bad. There are a couple of photos here: http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm On 10/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, Shel. Thanks. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Looks better ... but still not like a real Uzi. Did you go to one of the numerous Uzi pages and check out the gun pix? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I worked on the plastic gun on that pic I posted last week. I've never seen a real Uzi, and I doubt that this even comes close. But I do think it looks somewhat less plastic than it did as shot (so to speak). If any of you gun guys have a hint on how it might make it look more realistic, I'm all ears. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822906size=lg If you want to see what the gun looked like before retouching, you can check it out in the other shot. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822917size=lg -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
Re: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
Thanks Scott. I found a gun called Micro Uzi that is qutie similar. I'll check out your link. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:52 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: You might start by looking at photos of Mac-10, M10, or M11 variants. Your toy gun is based on these, not an UZI. Besides, I think your touch up doesn't look too bad. There are a couple of photos here: http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm On 10/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, Shel. Thanks. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Looks better ... but still not like a real Uzi. Did you go to one of the numerous Uzi pages and check out the gun pix? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I worked on the plastic gun on that pic I posted last week. I've never seen a real Uzi, and I doubt that this even comes close. But I do think it looks somewhat less plastic than it did as shot (so to speak). If any of you gun guys have a hint on how it might make it look more realistic, I'm all ears. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822906size=lg If you want to see what the gun looked like before retouching, you can check it out in the other shot. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822917size=lg -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
Re: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
Didn't think of that. Definitely looks like the micro-UZI. The ring around the barrel looks more like the MAC, though. But it's a toy, so it could be some toy designer's fantasy SMG! Either way, the retouch looks pretty good to my eyes. On 10/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Scott. I found a gun called Micro Uzi that is qutie similar. I'll check out your link. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:52 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: You might start by looking at photos of Mac-10, M10, or M11 variants. Your toy gun is based on these, not an UZI. Besides, I think your touch up doesn't look too bad. There are a couple of photos here: http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm On 10/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, Shel. Thanks. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Looks better ... but still not like a real Uzi. Did you go to one of the numerous Uzi pages and check out the gun pix? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I worked on the plastic gun on that pic I posted last week. I've never seen a real Uzi, and I doubt that this even comes close. But I do think it looks somewhat less plastic than it did as shot (so to speak). If any of you gun guys have a hint on how it might make it look more realistic, I'm all ears. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822906size=lg If you want to see what the gun looked like before retouching, you can check it out in the other shot. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822917size=lg -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
Re: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
Actually, I don't think his toy was based on the MAC-10 or variants thereof. It looks much more like an UZI pistol or the Micro UZI. Here are some links, and everyone can decide for themselves: First a page about MAC-10's: http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm Now, the Micro UZI and UZI Pistol: http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/micromain.htm A good shot of a Micro UZI: http://photos1.blogger.com/img/104/1000/640/microuzi.jpg An even bigger shot of the Micro UZI: http://www.vectorarms.com/photos/MicroUZI.gif And finally, the UZI Pistol: http://www.widforss.se/auktion/auktion_h03/images_h03/H03_029.JPG Judging from the position and shape of the trigger guard, I think the toy is an UZI pistol imitation. If I were retouching the barrel, I would try to make it look slimmer. The toy barrel is much too fat and stubby. There should also be a knurled ring at the base of the barrel, but that might be too hard to draw in by hand. There are actually a lot of details missing on the toy, but it's just a toy after all. I noticed that the real UZI guns don't have a lot of simple slotted screw heads showing. You might want to rethink the screw head detailing. It will be interesting to see if you can make the toy look totally realistic. take care, Glen At 08:52 PM 10/26/2005, Scott Loveless wrote: You might start by looking at photos of Mac-10, M10, or M11 variants. Your toy gun is based on these, not an UZI. Besides, I think your touch up doesn't look too bad. There are a couple of photos here: http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm On 10/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, Shel. Thanks. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Looks better ... but still not like a real Uzi. Did you go to one of the numerous Uzi pages and check out the gun pix? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I worked on the plastic gun on that pic I posted last week. I've never seen a real Uzi, and I doubt that this even comes close. But I do think it looks somewhat less plastic than it did as shot (so to speak). If any of you gun guys have a hint on how it might make it look more realistic, I'm all ears. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822906size=lg If you want to see what the gun looked like before retouching, you can check it out in the other shot. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822917size=lg -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005
Re: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
Thanks Glen. Very helpful. I think you're correct. The toy is closest to the Uzi pistol. I may attempt the knurled cap. In any case, I can get the shape closer. The metal color and texture are helpful as well. Paul On Oct 26, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Glen wrote: Actually, I don't think his toy was based on the MAC-10 or variants thereof. It looks much more like an UZI pistol or the Micro UZI. Here are some links, and everyone can decide for themselves: First a page about MAC-10's: http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm Now, the Micro UZI and UZI Pistol: http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/micromain.htm A good shot of a Micro UZI: http://photos1.blogger.com/img/104/1000/640/microuzi.jpg An even bigger shot of the Micro UZI: http://www.vectorarms.com/photos/MicroUZI.gif And finally, the UZI Pistol: http://www.widforss.se/auktion/auktion_h03/images_h03/H03_029.JPG Judging from the position and shape of the trigger guard, I think the toy is an UZI pistol imitation. If I were retouching the barrel, I would try to make it look slimmer. The toy barrel is much too fat and stubby. There should also be a knurled ring at the base of the barrel, but that might be too hard to draw in by hand. There are actually a lot of details missing on the toy, but it's just a toy after all. I noticed that the real UZI guns don't have a lot of simple slotted screw heads showing. You might want to rethink the screw head detailing. It will be interesting to see if you can make the toy look totally realistic. take care, Glen At 08:52 PM 10/26/2005, Scott Loveless wrote: You might start by looking at photos of Mac-10, M10, or M11 variants. Your toy gun is based on these, not an UZI. Besides, I think your touch up doesn't look too bad. There are a couple of photos here: http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/012001/Mac10History.htm On 10/26/05, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, Shel. Thanks. On Oct 26, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Looks better ... but still not like a real Uzi. Did you go to one of the numerous Uzi pages and check out the gun pix? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I worked on the plastic gun on that pic I posted last week. I've never seen a real Uzi, and I doubt that this even comes close. But I do think it looks somewhat less plastic than it did as shot (so to speak). If any of you gun guys have a hint on how it might make it look more realistic, I'm all ears. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822906size=lg If you want to see what the gun looked like before retouching, you can check it out in the other shot. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3822917size=lg -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005
Re: PESO - Retouched the Uzi
At 09:48 PM 10/26/2005, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Glen. Very helpful. You're welcome. It's amazing what sort of reference material you can find on short notice, by using the Google Advanced Image Search: http://images.google.com/advanced_image_search?hl=en :) take care, Glen
