Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
On 1/12/03 3:03 PM, Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A logical extension of this argument would be that all people who use Pentax 35mm SLRs, and have professional aspirations, should switch to another brand, since virtually no working professionals use Pentax 35mm gear. I have many Japanese friends who also frequent PDML. You are well known to them :-). Sometimes, you spread misleading info :-). You are certainly a knowledgeable person but frankly you can contribute to PDML in better ways without trying to satisfy your sadistic mind. Much of your info come from Nikon list and Pentax-hating NYC camera dealers, at least that's what people say. Perhaps. I do not pretend to be knowledgeable on photography but I just wish to say that the bad thing about your post (not al of them) is essentially making Pentax owners dumb and stupid in their selection of Pentax gear. Moreover, my Japanese colleagues agree that you must be on some kind of mission for switch campaign :-). I hope you are not benefiting by doing so. As in any part of the world, Pentax owners are not just the bargain hunting cheap crowd. They are determined Pentax users, finding the merits in Pentax. Many of them appreciates the Pentax glasses, and conscientious design of bodies which are distinct Pentax tradition. Also, many Pentax users also have Nikon and Canon as I do. If Pentax won't do a job in certain sports shooting etc which require higher FPS, you just buy a suitable set of Nikon or Canon (or Minolta or whatever) equipment for that purpose. But PDMLers predominantly use Pentax. Many Pentax users also choose Pentax because they do not want to be regarded in the same mould of crowd. They may wish to be Maverick, as I do ;-). Anyone can buy C/N if they so wish. It is even easier to do so. But it is indeed difficult to stay with Pentax in the sea of N/C unless you do appreciate their gears. While we all make sarcastic comments on N/C etc, they are all excellent makers and equip. Everybody knows it. Just take it easy. You should respect other people's choice and decision. I seldom saw severe critique by PDMLers of your choice of Nikon. If there were any, it was just teasing. You are obviously a disgruntled Pentax user and your input would be invaluable in a way. But you do not have to insult people who use Pentax. PDML, as I like to understand, is to exchange info on good as well as bad on our beloved equip. But frankly, your attitude here is extremely un-gentleman like. One of the very prominent virtues of this list is the remarkable resiliency and the decency of people who participate in this list, in spite of occasional flame wars. The culture of this list apparently has been built up over the years by various participants. It is this unique culture of this list, in my opinion, that attracts people to this list, besides the wealth of info you can get from it. So, I would respectfully request that you stop making silly and poisonous posting only in an attempt to make Pentax owners feel bad. In fact, very few people are affected by your such postings. They are wise enough to ignore or kill your posts (am I the only fool making comments on this? :-), and you should realize that you are embarrassing yourself. Don't be a naked emperor. Your bad posts are tolerated only because this is none other than PDML. You know it and you are taking advantage of it. The remarkable resiliency of PDMLers as a whole is allowing you to stay in this list. If you did the same thing in any other list, you know too well what's going to happen. So, your harsh critique on Pentax gear is always welcome, but please keep the minimum etiquette. Sorry for giving you a lecture, but let's keep the list somewhat more decent. Bye for now Cheers, Ken
Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer is now a photographic tool, the same premise would apply to the most basic tool of the photographer, which is the camera. In the same way that PCs are not professional grade tools, neither are Pentaxes. If you think that this is one big crock for camera brands, then it is also one big crock for which computer platform is more legitimate than the other. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that this is generally a useless, aggravating discussion. However, I think the fact that professional photographers, publishers, and graphic designers have all standardized on Macs and Photoshop is something that people should be reminded of once in a while. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O I have many Japanese friends who also frequent PDML. You are well known to them :-). Sometimes, you spread misleading info :-).
Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
On 12 Jan 2003 at 17:24, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer is now a photographic tool, the same premise would apply to the most basic tool of the photographer, which is the camera. In the same way that PCs are not professional grade tools, neither are Pentaxes. If you think that this is one big crock for camera brands, then it is also one big crock for which computer platform is more legitimate than the other. I've got to back Bruce up on these points, the Mac Blat thread was crammed full of brand based fallacies.. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
Sorry Bruce, I was not responding to your particular contention under the Mac Blat thread, hence changing the subject line. But I thought you never failed to grab the opportunity to poison the list to the point it became so predictable when and how you show up with equally predictable posts. I suppose a lot of people would think the same way but they are too nice to say things here. I am just a lurker and it would be less harmful if I said things many people wanted to say. BTW, I am getting a wealth of info from this list and I am grateful for it, thank you folks. Cheers, Ken On 1/12/03 5:24 PM, Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer is now a photographic tool, the same premise would apply to the most basic tool of the photographer, which is the camera. In the same way that PCs are not professional grade tools, neither are Pentaxes. If you think that this is one big crock for camera brands, then it is also one big crock for which computer platform is more legitimate than the other. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that this is generally a useless, aggravating discussion. However, I think the fact that professional photographers, publishers, and graphic designers have all standardized on Macs and Photoshop is something that people should be reminded of once in a while. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O I have many Japanese friends who also frequent PDML. You are well known to them :-). Sometimes, you spread misleading info :-).
Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
Rob, I agree. Bruce Sunday, January 12, 2003, 3:30:38 PM, you wrote: RS On 12 Jan 2003 at 17:24, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer is now a photographic tool, the same premise would apply to the most basic tool of the photographer, which is the camera. In the same way that PCs are not professional grade tools, neither are Pentaxes. If you think that this is one big crock for camera brands, then it is also one big crock for which computer platform is more legitimate than the other. RS I've got to back Bruce up on these points, the Mac Blat thread was crammed RS full of brand based fallacies.. RS Rob Studdert RS HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA RS Tel +61-2-9554-4110 RS UTC(GMT) +10 Hours RS [EMAIL PROTECTED] RS http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer is now a photographic tool, the same premise would apply to the most basic tool of the photographer, which is the camera. In the same way that PCs are not professional grade tools, neither are Pentaxes. If you think that this is one big crock for camera brands, then it is also one big crock for which computer platform is more legitimate than the other. How good are you at logic? Viewed from a logical perspective, the argument above is specious on its face. I'll give you the proof: I use Macs, and I use Pentaxes. If your premises and reasoning as presented above were sound, then both those things couldn't be true at once. Gotcha, Brucie. ;-) --Mike
Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
Back up to my original post. It said, virtually no professional photographers use 35mm Pentax SLRs. I never stated that it was impossible to use both. You have proved nothing. Stick to being an Artiste. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How good are you at logic? Viewed from a logical perspective, the argument above is specious on its face. I'll give you the proof: I use Macs, and I use Pentaxes. If your premises and reasoning as presented above were sound, then both those things couldn't be true at once. Gotcha, Brucie. ;-) --Mike -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/
Re: Please behave (was OT: Mac Blat)
Sounds like the riddle of Schrodinger's Camera... Mike Johnston wrote: How good are you at logic? Viewed from a logical perspective, the argument above is specious on its face. I'll give you the proof: I use Macs, and I use Pentaxes. If your premises and reasoning as presented above were sound, then both those things couldn't be true at once. Gotcha, Brucie. ;-) --Mike -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
