Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Boris Liberman) wrote: > I am very happy with it. It just works and the whole upgrade process is > totally painless... Just follow the instructions and use fresh(ly > charged) set of batteries... OK, that's one *istD with 1.00 firmware upgraded to the latest 1.12 with no problems. The green button trick in manual now works. Thanks! -- PDML means I get more e-mail than spam!
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Hi! Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering... This is with updated firmware (standard in new bodies) isn't it? I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering about updating. John, that's correct - you'll have to upgrade the firmware to enable the green button trick. I've upgraded, to the 1.11 I think. The one which is one version behind the very latest... I am very happy with it. It just works and the whole upgrade process is totally painless... Just follow the instructions and use fresh(ly charged) set of batteries... Boris
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
If you want to use Photo Assistant with K/M lenses it is. Otherwise I wouldn't worry about it. (Though you might want to download it since you never know). Larry Levy wrote: John Dalman, in a fit of adventure, wondered I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering about updating. John, The update does positive things. It's existence was the clincher in my determination to go with the D. It allows me to use my non-automatic K-mount lenses in a simple, convenient way. I certainly am not sorry that I upgraded. My question is - since I don't use more than 1 gigabyte CF cards (I'm a many basket kind of guy), is the latest upgrade important? Larry in Dallas -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
John Dalman, in a fit of adventure, wondered I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering about updating. John, The update does positive things. It's existence was the clincher in my determination to go with the D. It allows me to use my non-automatic K-mount lenses in a simple, convenient way. I certainly am not sorry that I upgraded. My question is - since I don't use more than 1 gigabyte CF cards (I'm a many basket kind of guy), is the latest upgrade important? Larry in Dallas
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Excellent :) Thanks for making sure. 2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It's TTL with K lenses. > I don't use it much but I double checked this morning. > Good exposures from 2.8 to 11. > > Don > > > -Original Message- > > From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:24 AM > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure > > > > > > Paul are you sure it gives only full power with old lenses, I know the > > Ds is documented to only give full power but it seems that the D is TTL > > with old K mount lenses. I don't think I've gotten a bad flash exposure > > with the internal flash with K mount lenses yet. (I'll have to check). > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives > > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use > > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash > > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty > > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly > > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. > > > Paul > > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: > > > > > >> Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the > > >> integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > > >> > > >> If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. > > >> -- > > >> Thibouille > > >> -- > > >> Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A man's only as old as the woman he feels. > > --Groucho Marx > > > > -- -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
RE: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
It's TTL with K lenses. I don't use it much but I double checked this morning. Good exposures from 2.8 to 11. Don > -Original Message- > From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:24 AM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure > > > Paul are you sure it gives only full power with old lenses, I know the > Ds is documented to only give full power but it seems that the D is TTL > with old K mount lenses. I don't think I've gotten a bad flash exposure > with the internal flash with K mount lenses yet. (I'll have to check). > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. > > Paul > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: > > > >> Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the > >> integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > >> > >> If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. > >> -- > >> Thibouille > >> -- > >> Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > >> > > > > > > > -- > A man's only as old as the woman he feels. > --Groucho Marx >
RE: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
You'll love it, I do. I have very few complaints considering the price point. And I complain about EVERYTHING! ;-) Congrats Don > -Original Message- > From: Thibouille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:54 AM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure > > > Ordered :D > > 2005/5/25, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Alright, so I'll go for the D then. > > 100 euros more than the DS but having a couple older lenses the D is > > better suited IMO. > > > > Will keep you informed when I'll have it :p > > > > 2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses > > > but my D certainly does. > > > I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens. > > > Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at > > > 2.8, 5.6 and 11. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM > > > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > > > > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure > > > > > > > > > > > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old > lenses. It gives > > > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use > > > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash > > > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty > > > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly > > > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. > > > > Paul > > > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: > > > > > > > > > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so > on but the > > > > > integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > > > > > > > > > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather > than the DS. > > > > > -- > > > > > Thibouille > > > > > -- > > > > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Thibouille > > -- > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > > > > > -- > -- > Thibouille > -- > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... >
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Boris Liberman) wrote: > Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have > to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering... This is with updated firmware (standard in new bodies) isn't it? I'm still on the 1.0 firmware with an early *istD body, and wondering about updating. -- PDML means I get more e-mail than spam!
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Ordered :D 2005/5/25, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Alright, so I'll go for the D then. > 100 euros more than the DS but having a couple older lenses the D is > better suited IMO. > > Will keep you informed when I'll have it :p > > 2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses > > but my D certainly does. > > I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens. > > Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at > > 2.8, 5.6 and 11. > > > > Don > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM > > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > > > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure > > > > > > > > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives > > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use > > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash > > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty > > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly > > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. > > > Paul > > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: > > > > > > > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the > > > > integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > > > > > > > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. > > > > -- > > > > Thibouille > > > > -- > > > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Thibouille > -- > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > -- -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Paul are you sure it gives only full power with old lenses, I know the Ds is documented to only give full power but it seems that the D is TTL with old K mount lenses. I don't think I've gotten a bad flash exposure with the internal flash with K mount lenses yet. (I'll have to check). Paul Stenquist wrote: The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. Paul On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the integrated flash does regular TTL, right? If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Alright, so I'll go for the D then. 100 euros more than the DS but having a couple older lenses the D is better suited IMO. Will keep you informed when I'll have it :p 2005/5/25, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses > but my D certainly does. > I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens. > Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at > 2.8, 5.6 and 11. > > Don > > > -Original Message- > > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure > > > > > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives > > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use > > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash > > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty > > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly > > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. > > Paul > > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: > > > > > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the > > > integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > > > > > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. > > > -- > > > Thibouille > > > -- > > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > > > > > > > -- -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Actually pressing the green button sets the correct shutter speed, basically stop down hyper manual, using the DOF on the *ist-D gives continuous stop down metering as long as the DOF is on in manual mode. It also switches shutter speed to the rear wheel, (thought the front wheel shutter control is still active). Jostein wrote: Thibouille, Not the DOF button, which is the same collar around the release button that you turn off the camera with. Same design as the MZ-S, btw. Metering with pre-"A" lenses happens when using the "Green button". It's located on top of the camera. With "A" and later lenses, the same button is used in Hyper Program mode to return to the camera-selected combination of aperture and shutter speed. The integrated flash is TTL, yes. It gives TTL also with pre-"A" lenses, I think. Jostein Quoting Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the integrated flash does regular TTL, right? If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- A man's only as old as the woman he feels. --Groucho Marx
RE: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
I've heard the DS doesn't do TTL flash with non-A lenses but my D certainly does. I just tried it again with an old Promaster (non-A) lens. Proper exposure and obvious flash output difference at 2.8, 5.6 and 11. Don > -Original Message- > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 AM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure > > > The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives > you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use > it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash > other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty > simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly > believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. > Paul > On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: > > > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the > > integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > > > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. > > -- > > Thibouille > > -- > > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > > >
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
I could be wrong about the integrated flash providing full power with old lenses. Someone who has time should check the manual. (I have to go to work.) I know I've used it successfully (more or less) with old lenses, but I thought I was gauging exposure. Of course if it is TTL, I would be gauging exposure correctly every time :-). Paul On May 25, 2005, at 6:23 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. Paul On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the integrated flash does regular TTL, right? If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
The integrated flash does not do regular TTL with old lenses. It gives you full power, but that's not very hard to gauge if you have to use it. Full power is pretty minimal. I rarely use the on camera flash other than on a whim or in emergencies. But I've found it's pretty simple to estimate a full power exposure with old lenses. I firmly believe that on-camera flashes are by nature useless. Paul On May 25, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Thibouille wrote: Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the integrated flash does regular TTL, right? If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Thibouille, Not the DOF button, which is the same collar around the release button that you turn off the camera with. Same design as the MZ-S, btw. Metering with pre-"A" lenses happens when using the "Green button". It's located on top of the camera. With "A" and later lenses, the same button is used in Hyper Program mode to return to the camera-selected combination of aperture and shutter speed. The integrated flash is TTL, yes. It gives TTL also with pre-"A" lenses, I think. Jostein Quoting Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the > integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. > -- > Thibouille > -- > Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the integrated flash does regular TTL, right? If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering... And for the DS, it's the AE-L button. Easy as. The integrated flash seems to be proper TTL flash, yes... HTH. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
Re: Ready to order an Ist-D but a quick question to be sure
Hi! > Using old lenses on the D requires the DOF button and so on but the > integrated flash does regular TTL, right? > > If so, that's the best reason for me to buy the D rather than the DS. Thibouille, there a special "green" button *on top* of D that you have to press in order to close the aperture and perform metering... The integrated flash seems to be proper TTL flash, yes... HTH. -- Boris
