Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
on 2012-05-17 10:29 Larry Colen wrote My goal would be to have backups of my files in both formats. Do DNG conversions keep all of the exif data? Or just the exif data that lightroom uses? i'd expect we'd have heard an outcry if any major DNG converter lost EXIF data i do DNG in camera and it has all the same EXIF data; only downside (with k200d at least) is it is not compressed so the files are bigger -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
On 5/17/2012 15:00, Mark C wrote: On 5/17/2012 4:32 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Mark, why don't you shoot in DNG to start with? Maybe because I'm not so bright... :-0 That's what you say! I went with the DNG conversion route with the *ist-D (no internal DNG option) and the with the K10d, which did not compress the DNG files, so there was an advantage to shooting PEF and converting. After that I never thought about shooting DNG again with either the K7 or the K5. So - I'll give it a try and see if the in camera DNG's work as well as the converted ones. Thanks - you probably just saved me a ton of time! If you reach any conclusion, I'd appreciate if you shared it with us. I am curious too. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
My goal would be to have backups of my files in both formats. Do DNG conversions keep all of the exif data? Or just the exif data that lightroom uses? On May 17, 2012, at 5:00 AM, Mark C wrote: > On 5/17/2012 4:32 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> Mark, why don't you shoot in DNG to start with? >> > Maybe because I'm not so bright... :-0 > > I went with the DNG conversion route with the *ist-D (no internal DNG option) > and the with the K10d, which did not compress the DNG files, so there was an > advantage to shooting PEF and converting. After that I never thought about > shooting DNG again with either the K7 or the K5. So - I'll give it a try and > see if the in camera DNG's work as well as the converted ones. > > Thanks - you probably just saved me a ton of time! > > Mark > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
On 5/17/2012 4:32 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Mark, why don't you shoot in DNG to start with? Maybe because I'm not so bright... :-0 I went with the DNG conversion route with the *ist-D (no internal DNG option) and the with the K10d, which did not compress the DNG files, so there was an advantage to shooting PEF and converting. After that I never thought about shooting DNG again with either the K7 or the K5. So - I'll give it a try and see if the in camera DNG's work as well as the converted ones. Thanks - you probably just saved me a ton of time! Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
Mark, why don't you shoot in DNG to start with? > Personally, I would not save any raw files as PEF's. I transfer the PEF's to > my PC (desktop or laptop) and use Adobe DNG converter to convert them to > DNG. Those are the files I keep, the PEF's are tossed. Any competent viewing > and editing program should be able to open DNG's. I use Adobe CS4 and Thumbs > Plus 7 on my rather old (2005) laptop and it chews through anything I send > to it just fine. I figure DNG's will be accessible for a long time. PEF's, > or an other proprietary raw format - not so much. > > MCC -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
On 5/16/2012 4:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote: A problem with my current laptop is it's really too big to fit into my camera bag. I'm musing a Netbook. The one I'm considering has 3 USB 2.0, "802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi CERTIFIED and 10/100 Ethernet LAN connectivity", 320GB hard-drive, 4GB DDR3, a "multi-in-1" reader and Windoze7 64bit for less than $400. Processor speed is kind of slow at 1.0Ghz & it shares main memory with the video processor (256MB dedicated to an ATI Radeon HD 6290). It might be where I can finally use Lightroom. It's supposed to work better with less memory than Photoshop does, but it got me to wondering if there is other image viewing/processing software I might consider instead. Other question - there's no CD/DVD, so how the heck would I install Lightroom? ... or whatever? Personally, I would not save any raw files as PEF's. I transfer the PEF's to my PC (desktop or laptop) and use Adobe DNG converter to convert them to DNG. Those are the files I keep, the PEF's are tossed. Any competent viewing and editing program should be able to open DNG's. I use Adobe CS4 and Thumbs Plus 7 on my rather old (2005) laptop and it chews through anything I send to it just fine. I figure DNG's will be accessible for a long time. PEF's, or an other proprietary raw format - not so much. MCC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
I have the latest version of Pentax Digital Camera Utility 4 loaded on my laptop, which is as powerful as my desktop, (which is at this point over 5 years old, making it ancient in computer term). It works fine, especially if you plan to do most of your editing on your desktop and only occasional work on your laptop. On 5/16/2012 4:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote: A problem with my current laptop is it's really too big to fit into my camera bag. I'm musing a Netbook. The one I'm considering has 3 USB 2.0, "802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi CERTIFIED and 10/100 Ethernet LAN connectivity", 320GB hard-drive, 4GB DDR3, a "multi-in-1" reader and Windoze7 64bit for less than $400. Processor speed is kind of slow at 1.0Ghz & it shares main memory with the video processor (256MB dedicated to an ATI Radeon HD 6290). It might be where I can finally use Lightroom. It's supposed to work better with less memory than Photoshop does, but it got me to wondering if there is other image viewing/processing software I might consider instead. Other question - there's no CD/DVD, so how the heck would I install Lightroom? ... or whatever? -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
I think IrfanView actually displays the embedded Jpeg in PEF files rather than decoding the raw data for display. At least that's the way it seems to work. On 5/16/2012 5:11 PM, Margus Männik wrote: Hi, IrfanView works fine with PEF files. And it's free. To install Lightroom (or whatever else software) you can use external (USB) DVD drive. I got my Samsung 8x DVD-writer for less than 50 euros about a year ago. For sure there are also cheaper units available. BR, Margus On 5/16/2012 23:55, John Sessoms wrote: A problem with my current laptop is it's really too big to fit into my camera bag. I'm musing a Netbook. The one I'm considering has 3 USB 2.0, "802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi CERTIFIED and 10/100 Ethernet LAN connectivity", 320GB hard-drive, 4GB DDR3, a "multi-in-1" reader and Windoze7 64bit for less than $400. Processor speed is kind of slow at 1.0Ghz & it shares main memory with the video processor (256MB dedicated to an ATI Radeon HD 6290). It might be where I can finally use Lightroom. It's supposed to work better with less memory than Photoshop does, but it got me to wondering if there is other image viewing/processing software I might consider instead. Other question - there's no CD/DVD, so how the heck would I install Lightroom? ... or whatever? -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > John Sessoms > > A problem with my current laptop is it's really too big to fit into my > camera bag. > > I'm musing a Netbook. The one I'm considering has 3 USB 2.0, > "802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi CERTIFIED and 10/100 Ethernet LAN connectivity", > 320GB hard-drive, 4GB DDR3, a "multi-in-1" reader and Windoze7 64bit > for less than $400. > > Processor speed is kind of slow at 1.0Ghz & it shares main memory with > the video processor (256MB dedicated to an ATI Radeon HD 6290). I use a Netbook - a Thinkpad X100e, which is very good for slouching around wasting my life on the PDML. It has W7 Professional. I can't remember all the other acronyms and numbers. I'm contemplating getting an iPad though because it seems better designed for couch spuds. > > It might be where I can finally use Lightroom. It's supposed to work > better with less memory than Photoshop does, but it got me to wondering > if there is other image viewing/processing software I might consider > instead. > I have a bigger PC, a Dell Vostro with W7 64 Pro, for Lightroom. It has lots of big numbers and impenetrable acronyms, so it must be very good. At the time I bought it it was comparable (by which I mean same spec and same parts) as the top end Mac, but over £1,000- cheaper. I don't know of anything comparable with LR that runs on PCs. > Other question - there's no CD/DVD, so how the heck would I install > Lightroom? ... or whatever? You can download Lightroom, and most other apps for that matter. I also have an accessory DVD drive for the Thinkpad - they're very cheap. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
Fastone Image Viewer is what I use to view and do (very light, preliminary) editing of PEF files on underpowered hardware. It's nice and quick, and it's free: http://www.faststone.org/ If you need to install Lightroom without an optical drive, just download it from Adobe: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop_lightroom&promoid&promoid=DTEML or http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom4-1/ Once it's installed, just enter your license key and it's not a "trial" version anymore. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > A problem with my current laptop is it's really too big to fit into my > camera bag. > > I'm musing a Netbook. The one I'm considering has 3 USB 2.0, "802.11b/g/n > Wi-Fi CERTIFIED and 10/100 Ethernet LAN connectivity", 320GB hard-drive, 4GB > DDR3, a "multi-in-1" reader and Windoze7 64bit for less than $400. > > Processor speed is kind of slow at 1.0Ghz & it shares main memory with the > video processor (256MB dedicated to an ATI Radeon HD 6290). > > It might be where I can finally use Lightroom. It's supposed to work better > with less memory than Photoshop does, but it got me to wondering if there is > other image viewing/processing software I might consider instead. > > Other question - there's no CD/DVD, so how the heck would I install > Lightroom? ... or whatever? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 04:55:32PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: > A problem with my current laptop is it's really too big to fit into > my camera bag. I was considering fixing that problem a different way: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=764920&Q=&is=REG&A=details -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Semi-OT: Image Viewing Software that works with PEF files?
Hi, IrfanView works fine with PEF files. And it's free. To install Lightroom (or whatever else software) you can use external (USB) DVD drive. I got my Samsung 8x DVD-writer for less than 50 euros about a year ago. For sure there are also cheaper units available. BR, Margus On 5/16/2012 23:55, John Sessoms wrote: A problem with my current laptop is it's really too big to fit into my camera bag. I'm musing a Netbook. The one I'm considering has 3 USB 2.0, "802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi CERTIFIED and 10/100 Ethernet LAN connectivity", 320GB hard-drive, 4GB DDR3, a "multi-in-1" reader and Windoze7 64bit for less than $400. Processor speed is kind of slow at 1.0Ghz & it shares main memory with the video processor (256MB dedicated to an ATI Radeon HD 6290). It might be where I can finally use Lightroom. It's supposed to work better with less memory than Photoshop does, but it got me to wondering if there is other image viewing/processing software I might consider instead. Other question - there's no CD/DVD, so how the heck would I install Lightroom? ... or whatever? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
