Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented the Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made all over the US at about the same time. On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 Sorry just had to mention :) Cheers, Dave -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
I think the clue's in the name... It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented the Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made all over the US at about the same time. On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 Sorry just had to mention :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
Mixed bag there. The Confectionery violated that neutrality in 1861, (as if a State could remain a part of the Union and be neutral, I can't think of any theory of law under the Constitution as it was even then understood where that was legal). Kentucky organized a number of military units which fought with both sides, and the official elected Government was decidedly pro-Union. The Confederates also set up competing State government after their invasion loyal to the South which was admitted to the Confederacy on Dec 10 1861. On 12/3/2010 3:02 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Good catch, Igor. Kentucky declared neutrality, and didn't join in with Union forces during the war. -- Walt On 12/3/2010 1:54 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Walter, I may have misunderstood you, but what happened with KY on June 1, 1792? Probably you are talking about _re_joining... Since KY never seceded, it didn't have to (re-!)join. Am I missing something? Igor Fri Dec 3 10:47:53 CST 2010 Walter Gilbert wrote: This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US between Kentucky and Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois. Illinois claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log cabin birthplace here in Kentucky. Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially seceded from, nor joined, the Union. Thus concludes today's Moment of Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert. -- Walt -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
While it was actually invented in Seymour, WI. -p On 12/5/2010 2:19 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented the Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made all over the US at about the same time. On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 Sorry just had to mention :) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
Walter, I may have misunderstood you, but what happened with KY on June 1, 1792? Probably you are talking about _re_joining... Since KY never seceded, it didn't have to (re-!)join. Am I missing something? Igor Fri Dec 3 10:47:53 CST 2010 Walter Gilbert wrote: This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US between Kentucky and Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois. Illinois claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log cabin birthplace here in Kentucky. Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially seceded from, nor joined, the Union. Thus concludes today's Moment of Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
Good catch, Igor. Kentucky declared neutrality, and didn't join in with Union forces during the war. -- Walt On 12/3/2010 1:54 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Walter, I may have misunderstood you, but what happened with KY on June 1, 1792? Probably you are talking about _re_joining... Since KY never seceded, it didn't have to (re-!)join. Am I missing something? Igor Fri Dec 3 10:47:53 CST 2010 Walter Gilbert wrote: This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US between Kentucky and Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois. Illinois claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log cabin birthplace here in Kentucky. Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially seceded from, nor joined, the Union. Thus concludes today's Moment of Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste. (despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it) I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either... ... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-) never mind, at least they have black swans. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
From: Walter Gilbert This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US between Kentucky and Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois. Illinois claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log cabin birthplace here in Kentucky. Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially seceded from, nor joined, the Union. Thus concludes today's Moment of Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert. Andrew Jackson is claimed by North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee. Jackson was born in the Waxhaws area disputed between North Carolina South Carolina. His exact birth place is unknown, and both states claim it is within their state as the boundary was eventually settled. In 1787, Jackson was admitted to the bar in Jonesborough in the Western District of North Carolina. The Western District became the Southwest Territory in 1790, and in 1796 became the state of Tennessee. Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution states that no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State ... without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned. The North Carolina legislature DID give its consent for the creation of Tennessee from the former Western District of North Carolina and Tennessee is the only state thus admitted. (West Virginia was admitted without the consent of the Virginia legislature due to some finessing of Constitutional requirements because of Virginia being in a state of secession at the time). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:52 -0500, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Walter Gilbert This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US between Kentucky and Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois. Illinois claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log cabin birthplace here in Kentucky. Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially seceded from, nor joined, the Union. Thus concludes today's Moment of Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert. Andrew Jackson is claimed by North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee. Jackson was born in the Waxhaws area disputed between North Carolina South Carolina. His exact birth place is unknown, and both states claim it is within their state as the boundary was eventually settled. In 1787, Jackson was admitted to the bar in Jonesborough in the Western District of North Carolina. The Western District became the Southwest Territory in 1790, and in 1796 became the state of Tennessee. Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution states that no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State ... without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned. The North Carolina legislature DID give its consent for the creation of Tennessee from the former Western District of North Carolina and Tennessee is the only state thus admitted. (West Virginia was admitted without the consent of the Virginia legislature due to some finessing of Constitutional requirements because of Virginia being in a state of secession at the time). This why I love this list. Where else would a post about an Australian(!!!) dessert morph into a discussion of the American Civil War? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
I was born in Virginia -- out of which Kentucky was carved -- yet, neither place seems all that anxious to claim me. -- Walt On 12/3/2010 4:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Walter Gilbert This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US between Kentucky and Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois. Illinois claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log cabin birthplace here in Kentucky. Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially seceded from, nor joined, the Union. Thus concludes today's Moment of Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert. Andrew Jackson is claimed by North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee. Jackson was born in the Waxhaws area disputed between North Carolina South Carolina. His exact birth place is unknown, and both states claim it is within their state as the boundary was eventually settled. In 1787, Jackson was admitted to the bar in Jonesborough in the Western District of North Carolina. The Western District became the Southwest Territory in 1790, and in 1796 became the state of Tennessee. Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution states that no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State ... without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned. The North Carolina legislature DID give its consent for the creation of Tennessee from the former Western District of North Carolina and Tennessee is the only state thus admitted. (West Virginia was admitted without the consent of the Virginia legislature due to some finessing of Constitutional requirements because of Virginia being in a state of secession at the time). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote: This why I love this list. Where else would a post about an Australian(!!!) dessert morph into a discussion of the American Civil War? I didn't know you had kangaroo for dessert... ;) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste. (despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it) I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either... ... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 04:09 -0500, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste. (despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it) I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either... ... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-) Pavlova: http://gourmettraveller.com.au/rockpool-bar-grills-passionfruit-pavlova.htm Kangaroo http://aih.clients.squiz.net/menu2/the_menu :-) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 04:09:21AM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste. (despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it) I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either... ... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-) Igor Where in sydney did YOU go? I couldn't get away from pavlova no matter where I went! As for kangaroo, I only had it in one place, along with emu and crocodile, and it was all prepared horribly and tasted bland. If it was prepared better I'm sure it would have been delicious. -- Christian - http://404notfound.blogspot.com http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US between Kentucky and Illinois. Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois. Illinois claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log cabin birthplace here in Kentucky. Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially seceded from, nor joined, the Union. Thus concludes today's Moment of Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert. -- Walt On 12/3/2010 1:46 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Phil Northeast wrote: My Macquarie describes the dish and who it was named after, but there is no attribution of origin. Must have been playing it safe if they didn't know for sure. Or maybe they have some expat kiwis on their staff and couldn't settle the argument :) I don't really care who invented it, it's just delicious. But it's a real pain to make so I only have it a couple of times a year. And now that I know how to make zabaglione, I have a good use for the leftover egg yolks (and the bottle of Marsala of course). BTW it's not a pavlova without sliced kiwifruit on top... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:48 +1300, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 Sorry just had to mention :) Oxford English Dictionary Pshaw I bet the Macquarie Dictionary gets it right. :-) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
My Macquarie describes the dish and who it was named after, but there is no attribution of origin. On 3/12/10 4:04 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:48 +1300, David Mannd...@multisport.net.nz wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482 Sorry just had to mention :) Oxford English Dictionary Pshaw I bet the Macquarie Dictionary gets it right. :-) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!
On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Phil Northeast wrote: My Macquarie describes the dish and who it was named after, but there is no attribution of origin. Must have been playing it safe if they didn't know for sure. Or maybe they have some expat kiwis on their staff and couldn't settle the argument :) I don't really care who invented it, it's just delicious. But it's a real pain to make so I only have it a couple of times a year. And now that I know how to make zabaglione, I have a good use for the leftover egg yolks (and the bottle of Marsala of course). BTW it's not a pavlova without sliced kiwifruit on top... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
