Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

seems to be better now, not great but better

Dave

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 7:52 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 7:57 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul  wrote:
>>> Try a re-cal and set the brightness to about 120
>>
>> Did a recal and it set it at 89 looks a bit to dull, will try and play
>> with the light to get it close to 100-120
>>
> l did a third recal and it is set to 120, 2.2 gamma at 5800
>
> We'll see if that helps
>
> dave
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 7:57 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Paul  wrote:
>> Try a re-cal and set the brightness to about 120
>
> Did a recal and it set it at 89 looks a bit to dull, will try and play
> with the light to get it close to 100-120
>
l did a third recal and it is set to 120, 2.2 gamma at 5800

We'll see if that helps

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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Paul]

Try a re-cal and set the brightness to about 120

-p


On 9/5/2016 10:41 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

sounds like its time to lower the surtains even more and do a recal


On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

My room lighting is very dim. Shaded window light only. My monitor is set to 90 
sid, per Spyder 4 pro recommendation.

Paul via phone


On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

so i set up the Spyder3 today. It set the brightness to about 191, sid
the ambient light in my room was veryu high/. The monitor is quit
bright now, iMac 21.5" and i tried a sample print again. Still coming
out quit a bit darker than screen. Do i need to adjust the monitor
brightness now to a lower out put or will that effect my calibrartion
done,

I'm quite confused now as it had been printing out close to monitor
for a while. Maybe i should do a Walmart or Henrys kiosk print as a
double check

Dave

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:53 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.


If your prints are dark compared to the rendering you see on the display, it 
means you are doing your adjustments with a display set to too bright/too high 
a luminance value. The logic here is that if the display is set to too high a 
luminance (or the room is too dark relative to the display luminance), your 
adjustments are being made with your eye fooled into thinking that that is the 
correct (darker) illumination level. As a result, when you send the image to 
the printer, the printer prints it to match what it thinks is the display 
illumination, which is too dark. (Conversely, if your display is set too dim in 
too bright a room, your prints will come out too light.)

I don't know the Spyder Pro 3 software, I use the Xrite i1 Profiler software 
with the Xrite i1 Display Pro colorimeter. But they should all do similar types 
of things.

All of these calibration utilities depend upon a 'normal' room illumination to 
work correctly. My office where I do image processing is illuminated to low 
reading level … about ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4 to 1/2 second if I do an incident 
reading at my desk. Because that's a little low, I set the calibration *target* 
for my display to 100 cdm^2. That's the first phase of the calibration 
procedure. Once the illumination is set, the software then runs tests and 
adjusts the display color mix to achieve my other two targets: 5600°K white 
point and 1.8 gamma. With the display then set to the calibration targets, it 
writes a display calibration profile which is installed into the macOS at the 
appropriate location in the file system, and sets the system to use that 
calibration profile.

With that setup in my system, the display at first appears a little bit dim and 
a little warm in color. However, what comes out of the printer is a very close 
match to what I see on the screen, which is my goal in a profiled printing 
workflow.

So: the display calibration system certainly helps get my prints coming out the 
right density and color presuming that it is used correctly. I can't imagine 
this would be any different for the Spyder Pro system.


R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
Perceptual

Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Colorsync

If you have selected a paper profile for color managed printing, Lightroom 
automatically locks out the ability to use EPSON Color Controls in the Color 
Matching section of the print driver interface. (The reason the grayed out 
controls show ColorSync enabled is that Lightroom uses ColorSync's ability to 
interpret the paper profile to drive the color matching.) If you were to set 
Lightroom to use Printer Managed color instead of selecting a paper profile, 
the Color Matching section of the driver would give you a choice between 
picking a ColorSync delivered paper profile or using the explicit EPSON Color 
Controls in the Printer Settings section of the print driver.


Mark R :: OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then.

ColorSync isn't a means of "implementing ICC profiles." It's the underlying 
rendering engine that ICC profiles are interpreted with. If you set LR to let the printer 
manage color, and pick the EPSON Color Controls, the print driver bypasses the ColorSync 
rendering engine and uses its own, Epson-supplied, color rendering engine which is based 
upon the paper chosen and the settings you make in the Basic|Advanced Color Controls 
sections of the Print Settings panel.

But this 

Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

sounds like its time to lower the surtains even more and do a recal


On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> My room lighting is very dim. Shaded window light only. My monitor is set to 
> 90 sid, per Spyder 4 pro recommendation.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> so i set up the Spyder3 today. It set the brightness to about 191, sid
>> the ambient light in my room was veryu high/. The monitor is quit
>> bright now, iMac 21.5" and i tried a sample print again. Still coming
>> out quit a bit darker than screen. Do i need to adjust the monitor
>> brightness now to a lower out put or will that effect my calibrartion
>> done,
>>
>> I'm quite confused now as it had been printing out close to monitor
>> for a while. Maybe i should do a Walmart or Henrys kiosk print as a
>> double check
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
>> wrote:
 On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:53 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

 I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
 supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
 21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
 coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
 version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
 the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>>>
>>>
>>> If your prints are dark compared to the rendering you see on the display, 
>>> it means you are doing your adjustments with a display set to too 
>>> bright/too high a luminance value. The logic here is that if the display is 
>>> set to too high a luminance (or the room is too dark relative to the 
>>> display luminance), your adjustments are being made with your eye fooled 
>>> into thinking that that is the correct (darker) illumination level. As a 
>>> result, when you send the image to the printer, the printer prints it to 
>>> match what it thinks is the display illumination, which is too dark. 
>>> (Conversely, if your display is set too dim in too bright a room, your 
>>> prints will come out too light.)
>>>
>>> I don't know the Spyder Pro 3 software, I use the Xrite i1 Profiler 
>>> software with the Xrite i1 Display Pro colorimeter. But they should all do 
>>> similar types of things.
>>>
>>> All of these calibration utilities depend upon a 'normal' room illumination 
>>> to work correctly. My office where I do image processing is illuminated to 
>>> low reading level … about ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4 to 1/2 second if I do an 
>>> incident reading at my desk. Because that's a little low, I set the 
>>> calibration *target* for my display to 100 cdm^2. That's the first phase of 
>>> the calibration procedure. Once the illumination is set, the software then 
>>> runs tests and adjusts the display color mix to achieve my other two 
>>> targets: 5600°K white point and 1.8 gamma. With the display then set to the 
>>> calibration targets, it writes a display calibration profile which is 
>>> installed into the macOS at the appropriate location in the file system, 
>>> and sets the system to use that calibration profile.
>>>
>>> With that setup in my system, the display at first appears a little bit dim 
>>> and a little warm in color. However, what comes out of the printer is a 
>>> very close match to what I see on the screen, which is my goal in a 
>>> profiled printing workflow.
>>>
>>> So: the display calibration system certainly helps get my prints coming out 
>>> the right density and color presuming that it is used correctly. I can't 
>>> imagine this would be any different for the Spyder Pro system.
>>>
 R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
 Perceptual

 Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Colorsync
>>>
>>> If you have selected a paper profile for color managed printing, Lightroom 
>>> automatically locks out the ability to use EPSON Color Controls in the 
>>> Color Matching section of the print driver interface. (The reason the 
>>> grayed out controls show ColorSync enabled is that Lightroom uses 
>>> ColorSync's ability to interpret the paper profile to drive the color 
>>> matching.) If you were to set Lightroom to use Printer Managed color 
>>> instead of selecting a paper profile, the Color Matching section of the 
>>> driver would give you a choice between picking a ColorSync delivered paper 
>>> profile or using the explicit EPSON Color Controls in the Printer Settings 
>>> section of the print driver.
>>>
 Mark R :: OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then.
>>>
>>> ColorSync isn't a means of "implementing ICC profiles." It's the underlying 
>>> rendering engine that ICC profiles are interpreted with. If you set LR to 
>>> let the printer manage color, and pick the EPSON Color Controls, the print 
>>> driver bypasses the 

Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Paul Stenquist]

My room lighting is very dim. Shaded window light only. My monitor is set to 90 
sid, per Spyder 4 pro recommendation.

Paul via phone

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> so i set up the Spyder3 today. It set the brightness to about 191, sid
> the ambient light in my room was veryu high/. The monitor is quit
> bright now, iMac 21.5" and i tried a sample print again. Still coming
> out quit a bit darker than screen. Do i need to adjust the monitor
> brightness now to a lower out put or will that effect my calibrartion
> done,
> 
> I'm quite confused now as it had been printing out close to monitor
> for a while. Maybe i should do a Walmart or Henrys kiosk print as a
> double check
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> wrote:
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:53 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>>> supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>>> 21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>>> coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>>> version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>>> the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>> 
>> 
>> If your prints are dark compared to the rendering you see on the display, it 
>> means you are doing your adjustments with a display set to too bright/too 
>> high a luminance value. The logic here is that if the display is set to too 
>> high a luminance (or the room is too dark relative to the display 
>> luminance), your adjustments are being made with your eye fooled into 
>> thinking that that is the correct (darker) illumination level. As a result, 
>> when you send the image to the printer, the printer prints it to match what 
>> it thinks is the display illumination, which is too dark. (Conversely, if 
>> your display is set too dim in too bright a room, your prints will come out 
>> too light.)
>> 
>> I don't know the Spyder Pro 3 software, I use the Xrite i1 Profiler software 
>> with the Xrite i1 Display Pro colorimeter. But they should all do similar 
>> types of things.
>> 
>> All of these calibration utilities depend upon a 'normal' room illumination 
>> to work correctly. My office where I do image processing is illuminated to 
>> low reading level … about ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4 to 1/2 second if I do an 
>> incident reading at my desk. Because that's a little low, I set the 
>> calibration *target* for my display to 100 cdm^2. That's the first phase of 
>> the calibration procedure. Once the illumination is set, the software then 
>> runs tests and adjusts the display color mix to achieve my other two 
>> targets: 5600°K white point and 1.8 gamma. With the display then set to the 
>> calibration targets, it writes a display calibration profile which is 
>> installed into the macOS at the appropriate location in the file system, and 
>> sets the system to use that calibration profile.
>> 
>> With that setup in my system, the display at first appears a little bit dim 
>> and a little warm in color. However, what comes out of the printer is a very 
>> close match to what I see on the screen, which is my goal in a profiled 
>> printing workflow.
>> 
>> So: the display calibration system certainly helps get my prints coming out 
>> the right density and color presuming that it is used correctly. I can't 
>> imagine this would be any different for the Spyder Pro system.
>> 
>>> R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
>>> Perceptual
>>> 
>>> Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Colorsync
>> 
>> If you have selected a paper profile for color managed printing, Lightroom 
>> automatically locks out the ability to use EPSON Color Controls in the Color 
>> Matching section of the print driver interface. (The reason the grayed out 
>> controls show ColorSync enabled is that Lightroom uses ColorSync's ability 
>> to interpret the paper profile to drive the color matching.) If you were to 
>> set Lightroom to use Printer Managed color instead of selecting a paper 
>> profile, the Color Matching section of the driver would give you a choice 
>> between picking a ColorSync delivered paper profile or using the explicit 
>> EPSON Color Controls in the Printer Settings section of the print driver.
>> 
>>> Mark R :: OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then.
>> 
>> ColorSync isn't a means of "implementing ICC profiles." It's the underlying 
>> rendering engine that ICC profiles are interpreted with. If you set LR to 
>> let the printer manage color, and pick the EPSON Color Controls, the print 
>> driver bypasses the ColorSync rendering engine and uses its own, 
>> Epson-supplied, color rendering engine which is based upon the paper chosen 
>> and the settings you make in the Basic|Advanced Color Controls sections of 
>> the Print Settings panel.
>> 

Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

ok


On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Waller <kwal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> The ambient light in your room should be a low as you can stand it to not 
> adversely affect your monitor.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: David J Brooks <pentkon52@gmail.
>>Subject: Re: Spyder Pro 3
>>
>>so i set up the Spyder3 today. It set the brightness to about 191, sid
>>the ambient light in my room was veryu high/. The monitor is quit
>>bright now, iMac 21.5" and i tried a sample print again. Still coming
>>out quit a bit darker than screen. Do i need to adjust the monitor
>>brightness now to a lower out put or will that effect my calibrartion
>>done,
>>
>>I'm quite confused now as it had been printing out close to monitor
>>for a while. Maybe i should do a Walmart or Henrys kiosk print as a
>>double check
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigio...@me.com> 
>>wrote:
>>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:53 AM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>>>> supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>>>> 21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>>>> coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>>>> version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>>>> the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>>>
>>>
>>> If your prints are dark compared to the rendering you see on the display, 
>>> it means you are doing your adjustments with a display set to too 
>>> bright/too high a luminance value. The logic here is that if the display is 
>>> set to too high a luminance (or the room is too dark relative to the 
>>> display luminance), your adjustments are being made with your eye fooled 
>>> into thinking that that is the correct (darker) illumination level. As a 
>>> result, when you send the image to the printer, the printer prints it to 
>>> match what it thinks is the display illumination, which is too dark. 
>>> (Conversely, if your display is set too dim in too bright a room, your 
>>> prints will come out too light.)
>>>
>>> I don't know the Spyder Pro 3 software, I use the Xrite i1 Profiler 
>>> software with the Xrite i1 Display Pro colorimeter. But they should all do 
>>> similar types of things.
>>>
>>> All of these calibration utilities depend upon a 'normal' room illumination 
>>> to work correctly. My office where I do image processing is illuminated to 
>>> low reading level … about ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4 to 1/2 second if I do an 
>>> incident reading at my desk. Because that's a little low, I set the 
>>> calibration *target* for my display to 100 cdm^2. That's the first phase of 
>>> the calibration procedure. Once the illumination is set, the software then 
>>> runs tests and adjusts the display color mix to achieve my other two 
>>> targets: 5600°K white point and 1.8 gamma. With the display then set to the 
>>> calibration targets, it writes a display calibration profile which is 
>>> installed into the macOS at the appropriate location in the file system, 
>>> and sets the system to use that calibration profile.
>>>
>>> With that setup in my system, the display at first appears a little bit dim 
>>> and a little warm in color. However, what comes out of the printer is a 
>>> very close match to what I see on the screen, which is my goal in a 
>>> profiled printing workflow.
>>>
>>> So: the display calibration system certainly helps get my prints coming out 
>>> the right density and color presuming that it is used correctly. I can't 
>>> imagine this would be any different for the Spyder Pro system.
>>>
>>>> R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
>>>> Perceptual
>>>>
>>>> Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Colorsync
>>>
>>> If you have selected a paper profile for color managed printing, Lightroom 
>>> automatically locks out the ability to use EPSON Color Controls in the 
>>> Color Matching section of the print driver interface. (The reason the 
>>> grayed out controls show ColorSync enabled is that Lightroom uses 
>>> ColorSync's ability to interpret the paper profile to drive the color 
>>> matching.) If you were to set Lightroom to use Printer Managed color 
>>>

Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Ken Waller]

The ambient light in your room should be a low as you can stand it to not 
adversely affect your monitor.


-Original Message-
>From: David J Brooks <pentkon52@gmail.
>Subject: Re: Spyder Pro 3
>
>so i set up the Spyder3 today. It set the brightness to about 191, sid
>the ambient light in my room was veryu high/. The monitor is quit
>bright now, iMac 21.5" and i tried a sample print again. Still coming
>out quit a bit darker than screen. Do i need to adjust the monitor
>brightness now to a lower out put or will that effect my calibrartion
>done,
>
>I'm quite confused now as it had been printing out close to monitor
>for a while. Maybe i should do a Walmart or Henrys kiosk print as a
>double check
>
>Dave
>
>On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigio...@me.com> 
>wrote:
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:53 AM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>>> supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>>> 21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>>> coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>>> version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>>> the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>>
>>
>> If your prints are dark compared to the rendering you see on the display, it 
>> means you are doing your adjustments with a display set to too bright/too 
>> high a luminance value. The logic here is that if the display is set to too 
>> high a luminance (or the room is too dark relative to the display 
>> luminance), your adjustments are being made with your eye fooled into 
>> thinking that that is the correct (darker) illumination level. As a result, 
>> when you send the image to the printer, the printer prints it to match what 
>> it thinks is the display illumination, which is too dark. (Conversely, if 
>> your display is set too dim in too bright a room, your prints will come out 
>> too light.)
>>
>> I don't know the Spyder Pro 3 software, I use the Xrite i1 Profiler software 
>> with the Xrite i1 Display Pro colorimeter. But they should all do similar 
>> types of things.
>>
>> All of these calibration utilities depend upon a 'normal' room illumination 
>> to work correctly. My office where I do image processing is illuminated to 
>> low reading level … about ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4 to 1/2 second if I do an 
>> incident reading at my desk. Because that's a little low, I set the 
>> calibration *target* for my display to 100 cdm^2. That's the first phase of 
>> the calibration procedure. Once the illumination is set, the software then 
>> runs tests and adjusts the display color mix to achieve my other two 
>> targets: 5600°K white point and 1.8 gamma. With the display then set to the 
>> calibration targets, it writes a display calibration profile which is 
>> installed into the macOS at the appropriate location in the file system, and 
>> sets the system to use that calibration profile.
>>
>> With that setup in my system, the display at first appears a little bit dim 
>> and a little warm in color. However, what comes out of the printer is a very 
>> close match to what I see on the screen, which is my goal in a profiled 
>> printing workflow.
>>
>> So: the display calibration system certainly helps get my prints coming out 
>> the right density and color presuming that it is used correctly. I can't 
>> imagine this would be any different for the Spyder Pro system.
>>
>>> R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
>>> Perceptual
>>>
>>> Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Colorsync
>>
>> If you have selected a paper profile for color managed printing, Lightroom 
>> automatically locks out the ability to use EPSON Color Controls in the Color 
>> Matching section of the print driver interface. (The reason the grayed out 
>> controls show ColorSync enabled is that Lightroom uses ColorSync's ability 
>> to interpret the paper profile to drive the color matching.) If you were to 
>> set Lightroom to use Printer Managed color instead of selecting a paper 
>> profile, the Color Matching section of the driver would give you a choice 
>> between picking a ColorSync delivered paper profile or using the explicit 
>> EPSON Color Controls in the Printer Settings section of the print driver.
>>
>>> Mark R :: OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then.
>>
>> ColorSync isn't a mean

Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

so i set up the Spyder3 today. It set the brightness to about 191, sid
the ambient light in my room was veryu high/. The monitor is quit
bright now, iMac 21.5" and i tried a sample print again. Still coming
out quit a bit darker than screen. Do i need to adjust the monitor
brightness now to a lower out put or will that effect my calibrartion
done,

I'm quite confused now as it had been printing out close to monitor
for a while. Maybe i should do a Walmart or Henrys kiosk print as a
double check

Dave

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:53 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>> supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>> 21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>> coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>> version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>> the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>
>
> If your prints are dark compared to the rendering you see on the display, it 
> means you are doing your adjustments with a display set to too bright/too 
> high a luminance value. The logic here is that if the display is set to too 
> high a luminance (or the room is too dark relative to the display luminance), 
> your adjustments are being made with your eye fooled into thinking that that 
> is the correct (darker) illumination level. As a result, when you send the 
> image to the printer, the printer prints it to match what it thinks is the 
> display illumination, which is too dark. (Conversely, if your display is set 
> too dim in too bright a room, your prints will come out too light.)
>
> I don't know the Spyder Pro 3 software, I use the Xrite i1 Profiler software 
> with the Xrite i1 Display Pro colorimeter. But they should all do similar 
> types of things.
>
> All of these calibration utilities depend upon a 'normal' room illumination 
> to work correctly. My office where I do image processing is illuminated to 
> low reading level … about ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4 to 1/2 second if I do an 
> incident reading at my desk. Because that's a little low, I set the 
> calibration *target* for my display to 100 cdm^2. That's the first phase of 
> the calibration procedure. Once the illumination is set, the software then 
> runs tests and adjusts the display color mix to achieve my other two targets: 
> 5600°K white point and 1.8 gamma. With the display then set to the 
> calibration targets, it writes a display calibration profile which is 
> installed into the macOS at the appropriate location in the file system, and 
> sets the system to use that calibration profile.
>
> With that setup in my system, the display at first appears a little bit dim 
> and a little warm in color. However, what comes out of the printer is a very 
> close match to what I see on the screen, which is my goal in a profiled 
> printing workflow.
>
> So: the display calibration system certainly helps get my prints coming out 
> the right density and color presuming that it is used correctly. I can't 
> imagine this would be any different for the Spyder Pro system.
>
>> R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
>> Perceptual
>>
>> Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Colorsync
>
> If you have selected a paper profile for color managed printing, Lightroom 
> automatically locks out the ability to use EPSON Color Controls in the Color 
> Matching section of the print driver interface. (The reason the grayed out 
> controls show ColorSync enabled is that Lightroom uses ColorSync's ability to 
> interpret the paper profile to drive the color matching.) If you were to set 
> Lightroom to use Printer Managed color instead of selecting a paper profile, 
> the Color Matching section of the driver would give you a choice between 
> picking a ColorSync delivered paper profile or using the explicit EPSON Color 
> Controls in the Printer Settings section of the print driver.
>
>> Mark R :: OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then.
>
> ColorSync isn't a means of "implementing ICC profiles." It's the underlying 
> rendering engine that ICC profiles are interpreted with. If you set LR to let 
> the printer manage color, and pick the EPSON Color Controls, the print driver 
> bypasses the ColorSync rendering engine and uses its own, Epson-supplied, 
> color rendering engine which is based upon the paper chosen and the settings 
> you make in the Basic|Advanced Color Controls sections of the Print Settings 
> panel.
>
> But this is a little beside the point. The issue is that the balance of 
> ambient and display illumination isn't correct … the display is too bright 
> relative to the ambient illumination, which causes adjustments to be skewed 
> to the dark side when the numbers are sent to the printer.
>
> -
> Unfortunately, Paul 

Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:53 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
> supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
> 21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
> coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
> version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
> the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.


If your prints are dark compared to the rendering you see on the display, it 
means you are doing your adjustments with a display set to too bright/too high 
a luminance value. The logic here is that if the display is set to too high a 
luminance (or the room is too dark relative to the display luminance), your 
adjustments are being made with your eye fooled into thinking that that is the 
correct (darker) illumination level. As a result, when you send the image to 
the printer, the printer prints it to match what it thinks is the display 
illumination, which is too dark. (Conversely, if your display is set too dim in 
too bright a room, your prints will come out too light.)

I don't know the Spyder Pro 3 software, I use the Xrite i1 Profiler software 
with the Xrite i1 Display Pro colorimeter. But they should all do similar types 
of things. 

All of these calibration utilities depend upon a 'normal' room illumination to 
work correctly. My office where I do image processing is illuminated to low 
reading level … about ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/4 to 1/2 second if I do an incident 
reading at my desk. Because that's a little low, I set the calibration *target* 
for my display to 100 cdm^2. That's the first phase of the calibration 
procedure. Once the illumination is set, the software then runs tests and 
adjusts the display color mix to achieve my other two targets: 5600°K white 
point and 1.8 gamma. With the display then set to the calibration targets, it 
writes a display calibration profile which is installed into the macOS at the 
appropriate location in the file system, and sets the system to use that 
calibration profile. 

With that setup in my system, the display at first appears a little bit dim and 
a little warm in color. However, what comes out of the printer is a very close 
match to what I see on the screen, which is my goal in a profiled printing 
workflow. 

So: the display calibration system certainly helps get my prints coming out the 
right density and color presuming that it is used correctly. I can't imagine 
this would be any different for the Spyder Pro system. 

> R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
> Perceptual
> 
> Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Colorsync

If you have selected a paper profile for color managed printing, Lightroom 
automatically locks out the ability to use EPSON Color Controls in the Color 
Matching section of the print driver interface. (The reason the grayed out 
controls show ColorSync enabled is that Lightroom uses ColorSync's ability to 
interpret the paper profile to drive the color matching.) If you were to set 
Lightroom to use Printer Managed color instead of selecting a paper profile, 
the Color Matching section of the driver would give you a choice between 
picking a ColorSync delivered paper profile or using the explicit EPSON Color 
Controls in the Printer Settings section of the print driver. 

> Mark R :: OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then.

ColorSync isn't a means of "implementing ICC profiles." It's the underlying 
rendering engine that ICC profiles are interpreted with. If you set LR to let 
the printer manage color, and pick the EPSON Color Controls, the print driver 
bypasses the ColorSync rendering engine and uses its own, Epson-supplied, color 
rendering engine which is based upon the paper chosen and the settings you make 
in the Basic|Advanced Color Controls sections of the Print Settings panel. 

But this is a little beside the point. The issue is that the balance of ambient 
and display illumination isn't correct … the display is too bright relative to 
the ambient illumination, which causes adjustments to be skewed to the dark 
side when the numbers are sent to the printer. 

-
Unfortunately, Paul Stenqvist's instructions regards how the print driver 
dialogs work for Photoshop are not correct for printing from Lightroom. They're 
very different applications with regard to printing. 

How to print from macOS with Lightroom: 

0) Calibrate and profile your display. This is step 0 because you do it outside 
of LR and only do it once. 

Now, in Lightroom and unlike in Photoshop, there is no "Edit > Color Settings" 
dialog to set up all the various color working space, etc, stuff. Lightroom was 
not designed as a general purpose graphics application, it was designed 
exclusively for photography, so it automatically sets the default working color 
space for editing to ProPhoto RGB and 16bit per component. 

Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

hopefully but i like to print from LR if i can. What cahnge i made or
did'nt make is a mystery at the moment
:-)

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I used CS1 for many years. I’m trying to remember how I set up the workflow. 
> I think there’s a top bar menu item for color management or something like 
> that. Maybe under the apple or under file. Poke around. You’ll find it.
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 8:04 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> thanks Paul i use LR 4.1 and PS CS1 on 10.6.8 maybe i'll try and
>> upload a latest driver if there is one and or go to CS 1 and see if
>> that helps. Likle i said i ran into this problem a few years ago,
>> managed to solve it but now  i dont know
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> Wish I could help more, but I use PhotoShop 6, with OS X 10.11.6, so what I 
>>> see on the screen might be somewhat different from what you see. But 
>>> somewhere there has to be a choice as to how color is managed: by the 
>>> software or by the printer. Based on your problem, I’d say the printer is 
>>> trying to manage color. That renders your monitor calibration useless. The 
>>> software has to manage the color to arrive at a result that is close to 
>>> what you see on the monitor.
>>>
 On Sep 2, 2016, at 5:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

 Had this problem before. I don't see anywhere to click light room manages
 colour. I'll keep looking

 On Sep 2, 2016 4:45 PM, "Paul Stenquist"  wrote:

> In printing with a Mac, the first print box that opens should show the
> name of your printer in the printer setup box. In the color management
> box,  choose the icc profile under the Printer Profile heading. Under the
> color handling heading, choose "Photoshop manages colors" or if using
> lightroom, "lightroom manages colors". Rendering intent should be set to
> "Relative Colorimetric." Next, click print settings. choose the paper size
> in the first box, then where it says "layout” advance the menu dial to
> "print settings". Make sure the advanced settings box is clicked on. Under
> media type choose the name of your paper. Under color settings, choose
> "off." And under print quality, state your preference; photo or super 
> photo
> are best with good paper.
>
> Paul
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
>>
>> Mat Maessen wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts <
> postmas...@robertstech.com>
>>> wrote:

 You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
 pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
 not both.
>>>
>>> Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_
> ICC...
>>
>> OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then. One
>> has to make sure profiles are turned off in Lightroom/Protoshop if
>> using ColorSync, right? Otherwise you'll be applying the profile twice
>> and getting weird results.
>>
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Paul Stenquist]

I used CS1 for many years. I’m trying to remember how I set up the workflow. I 
think there’s a top bar menu item for color management or something like that. 
Maybe under the apple or under file. Poke around. You’ll find it.
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 8:04 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> thanks Paul i use LR 4.1 and PS CS1 on 10.6.8 maybe i'll try and
> upload a latest driver if there is one and or go to CS 1 and see if
> that helps. Likle i said i ran into this problem a few years ago,
> managed to solve it but now  i dont know
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> Wish I could help more, but I use PhotoShop 6, with OS X 10.11.6, so what I 
>> see on the screen might be somewhat different from what you see. But 
>> somewhere there has to be a choice as to how color is managed: by the 
>> software or by the printer. Based on your problem, I’d say the printer is 
>> trying to manage color. That renders your monitor calibration useless. The 
>> software has to manage the color to arrive at a result that is close to what 
>> you see on the monitor.
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 5:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Had this problem before. I don't see anywhere to click light room manages
>>> colour. I'll keep looking
>>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2016 4:45 PM, "Paul Stenquist"  wrote:
>>> 
 In printing with a Mac, the first print box that opens should show the
 name of your printer in the printer setup box. In the color management
 box,  choose the icc profile under the Printer Profile heading. Under the
 color handling heading, choose "Photoshop manages colors" or if using
 lightroom, "lightroom manages colors". Rendering intent should be set to
 "Relative Colorimetric." Next, click print settings. choose the paper size
 in the first box, then where it says "layout” advance the menu dial to
 "print settings". Make sure the advanced settings box is clicked on. Under
 media type choose the name of your paper. Under color settings, choose
 "off." And under print quality, state your preference; photo or super photo
 are best with good paper.
 
 Paul
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mark Roberts 
 wrote:
> 
> Mat Maessen wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts <
 postmas...@robertstech.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
>>> pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
>>> not both.
>> 
>> Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_
 ICC...
> 
> OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then. One
> has to make sure profiles are turned off in Lightroom/Protoshop if
> using ColorSync, right? Otherwise you'll be applying the profile twice
> and getting weird results.
> 
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

thanks Paul i use LR 4.1 and PS CS1 on 10.6.8 maybe i'll try and
upload a latest driver if there is one and or go to CS 1 and see if
that helps. Likle i said i ran into this problem a few years ago,
managed to solve it but now  i dont know

Dave

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Wish I could help more, but I use PhotoShop 6, with OS X 10.11.6, so what I 
> see on the screen might be somewhat different from what you see. But 
> somewhere there has to be a choice as to how color is managed: by the 
> software or by the printer. Based on your problem, I’d say the printer is 
> trying to manage color. That renders your monitor calibration useless. The 
> software has to manage the color to arrive at a result that is close to what 
> you see on the monitor.
>
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 5:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> Had this problem before. I don't see anywhere to click light room manages
>> colour. I'll keep looking
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2016 4:45 PM, "Paul Stenquist"  wrote:
>>
>>> In printing with a Mac, the first print box that opens should show the
>>> name of your printer in the printer setup box. In the color management
>>> box,  choose the icc profile under the Printer Profile heading. Under the
>>> color handling heading, choose "Photoshop manages colors" or if using
>>> lightroom, "lightroom manages colors". Rendering intent should be set to
>>> "Relative Colorimetric." Next, click print settings. choose the paper size
>>> in the first box, then where it says "layout” advance the menu dial to
>>> "print settings". Make sure the advanced settings box is clicked on. Under
>>> media type choose the name of your paper. Under color settings, choose
>>> "off." And under print quality, state your preference; photo or super photo
>>> are best with good paper.
>>>
>>> Paul
 On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mark Roberts 
>>> wrote:

 Mat Maessen wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts <
>>> postmas...@robertstech.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
>> pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
>> not both.
>
> Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_
>>> ICC...

 OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then. One
 has to make sure profiles are turned off in Lightroom/Protoshop if
 using ColorSync, right? Otherwise you'll be applying the profile twice
 and getting weird results.

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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Paul Stenquist]

Wish I could help more, but I use PhotoShop 6, with OS X 10.11.6, so what I see 
on the screen might be somewhat different from what you see. But somewhere 
there has to be a choice as to how color is managed: by the software or by the 
printer. Based on your problem, I’d say the printer is trying to manage color. 
That renders your monitor calibration useless. The software has to manage the 
color to arrive at a result that is close to what you see on the monitor.

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 5:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Had this problem before. I don't see anywhere to click light room manages
> colour. I'll keep looking
> 
> On Sep 2, 2016 4:45 PM, "Paul Stenquist"  wrote:
> 
>> In printing with a Mac, the first print box that opens should show the
>> name of your printer in the printer setup box. In the color management
>> box,  choose the icc profile under the Printer Profile heading. Under the
>> color handling heading, choose "Photoshop manages colors" or if using
>> lightroom, "lightroom manages colors". Rendering intent should be set to
>> "Relative Colorimetric." Next, click print settings. choose the paper size
>> in the first box, then where it says "layout” advance the menu dial to
>> "print settings". Make sure the advanced settings box is clicked on. Under
>> media type choose the name of your paper. Under color settings, choose
>> "off." And under print quality, state your preference; photo or super photo
>> are best with good paper.
>> 
>> Paul
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mark Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mat Maessen wrote:
>>> 
 On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts <
>> postmas...@robertstech.com>
 wrote:
> 
> You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
> pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
> not both.
 
 Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_
>> ICC...
>>> 
>>> OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then. One
>>> has to make sure profiles are turned off in Lightroom/Protoshop if
>>> using ColorSync, right? Otherwise you'll be applying the profile twice
>>> and getting weird results.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

Had this problem before. I don't see anywhere to click light room manages
colour. I'll keep looking

On Sep 2, 2016 4:45 PM, "Paul Stenquist"  wrote:

> In printing with a Mac, the first print box that opens should show the
> name of your printer in the printer setup box. In the color management
> box,  choose the icc profile under the Printer Profile heading. Under the
> color handling heading, choose "Photoshop manages colors" or if using
> lightroom, "lightroom manages colors". Rendering intent should be set to
> "Relative Colorimetric." Next, click print settings. choose the paper size
> in the first box, then where it says "layout” advance the menu dial to
> "print settings". Make sure the advanced settings box is clicked on. Under
> media type choose the name of your paper. Under color settings, choose
> "off." And under print quality, state your preference; photo or super photo
> are best with good paper.
>
> Paul
> > On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
> >
> > Mat Maessen wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts <
> postmas...@robertstech.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
> >>> pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
> >>> not both.
> >>
> >> Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_
> ICC...
> >
> > OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then. One
> > has to make sure profiles are turned off in Lightroom/Protoshop if
> > using ColorSync, right? Otherwise you'll be applying the profile twice
> > and getting weird results.
> >
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Paul Stenquist]

In printing with a Mac, the first print box that opens should show the name of 
your printer in the printer setup box. In the color management box,  choose the 
icc profile under the Printer Profile heading. Under the color handling 
heading, choose "Photoshop manages colors" or if using lightroom, "lightroom 
manages colors". Rendering intent should be set to "Relative Colorimetric." 
Next, click print settings. choose the paper size in the first box, then where 
it says "layout” advance the menu dial to "print settings". Make sure the 
advanced settings box is clicked on. Under media type choose the name of your 
paper. Under color settings, choose "off." And under print quality, state your 
preference; photo or super photo are best with good paper.

Paul
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Mat Maessen wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
>>> pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
>>> not both.
>> 
>> Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_ ICC...
> 
> OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then. One
> has to make sure profiles are turned off in Lightroom/Protoshop if
> using ColorSync, right? Otherwise you'll be applying the profile twice
> and getting weird results.
> 
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Igor PDML-StR]

David,

A few thoughts (and please forgive me if some of them are too obvious, - 
sometimes it's easy to omit something obvious):


1. Make sure the color handling is OFF in the printer profile (Printer 
properties, when you do "page setup" in LR):

https://www.breathingcolor.com/000_pfw_user_files/site_uploaded/2/Paul_BC/NoColorAdjustment545.jpg

2. On the RHS panel, in Print Module, uner "Print Job" -> Color 
Management, you have the correct paper profile chosen (Not "managed by 
printer").

The intent should be "relative".

3. In "Develop" module, check-mark "soft-proofing" at the bottom of the 
photo, and then choose the correct paper profile and "relative" intent.

"Simulate paper and ink" -> Check.

This should allow you to see how your photo will look on a particular type 
of paper.
For me, this last (3) step was very important, as the appearance on 
some paper, especially more "generic" (less bright), - was darker then 
what I've been seeing on the screen.

The soft proofing in LR has decreased the gap in the darkness drastically.
I still think that the prints are slightly darker, and the degree of 
discrepancy depends on the paper.



HTH,

Igor


On 9/2/2016 12:53 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.

Dave



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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Mark Roberts]

Mat Maessen wrote:

>On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts 
>wrote:
>>
>> You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
>> pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
>> not both.
>
>Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_ ICC...

OK, ColorSync may be a means of implementing ICC profiles then. One
has to make sure profiles are turned off in Lightroom/Protoshop if
using ColorSync, right? Otherwise you'll be applying the profile twice
and getting weird results.
 
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Mat Maessen]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:
>
> You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
> pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
> not both.


Not sure about 10.6.x, but in the newer OSX versions, ColorSync _is_ ICC...

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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Mark Roberts]

David J Brooks wrote:

>R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
>Perceptual
>
>Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Coloursync

You're probably going to need a Mac expert to get this fixed but I'm
pretty sure you should be using either an ICC profile OR ColorSync but
not both.
 
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

i thought they were but now i'm not so sure. Everything ~looks~ ok in
LR print mode

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Paul  wrote:
> Should help with both color and brightness.  If your prints are too dark
> your monitor is too bright or the imaging software and the printer software
> are both trying to control the print process.  Be sure your imaging software
> is set to control the printing output and that the properties in the printer
> setup are set so the printer software doesn't control the output.
>
> -p
>
>
> On 9/2/2016 12:53 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>> supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>> 21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>> coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>> version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>> the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Paul]

Should help with both color and brightness.  If your prints are too dark 
your monitor is too bright or the imaging software and the printer 
software are both trying to control the print process.  Be sure your 
imaging software is set to control the printing output and that the 
properties in the printer setup are set so the printer software doesn't 
control the output.


-p


On 9/2/2016 12:53 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.

Dave



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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[David J Brooks]

R2400 is set to SPR2400 Premglossy Bstphoto.icc
Perceptual

Colour management in the print settings is greyed out but shows Coloursync

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>On September 2, 2016 10:53:08 AM PDT, David J Brooks  
>>wrote:
>>>I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>>>supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>>>21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>>>coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>>>version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>>>the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>>
>>Perhaps it isn't the monitor that is out of calibration, but the printer.
>
> Or, more specifically, the printer profile.
>
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

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Larry Colen wrote:

>On September 2, 2016 10:53:08 AM PDT, David J Brooks  
>wrote:
>>I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>>supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>>21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>>coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>>version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>>the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>
>Perhaps it isn't the monitor that is out of calibration, but the printer.

Or, more specifically, the printer profile.
 
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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[Larry Colen]

On September 2, 2016 10:53:08 AM PDT, David J Brooks  
wrote:
>I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
>supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
>21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
>coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
>version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
>the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.
>

Perhaps it isn't the monitor that is out of calibration, but the printer.

>Dave

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Re: Spyder Pro 3

[John]

In theory, if you calibrate the monitor and profile the printer, you
should be able to get a match.

On 9/2/2016 1:53 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

I have purchased a new in box Spyderpro 3 as it will work with 10.6.8,
supposedly. I am having trouble matching the brightness on my iMac
21.5" screen to the print outs from my Epson 2400. The prints are
coming out quite a bit darker than what i see on my screen via LR
version 4.1. Should this help with my woes or will it just help with
the colours. This one has the ambient reciver.

Dave



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