Re: Super Program buyer
So do I, but to my eyes, the Super Program doesn't do a good job alerting me that I've turned the dial. I frequently tune out the exposure compensation flasher by mistake and end up shooting several frames at + or -2. I prefer an arrangement where the warning flasher is in the same row or column of lights as the exposure LEDs or LCDs. William in Utah wrote: > I almost never use program or shutter priority myself, but I love > aperture priority and generally fine tune exposure with a twist of the > exposure compensation dial. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Plucking some message out of my backlog... William in Utah wrote: > I almost never use program or shutter priority myself, but I love > aperture priority and generally fine tune exposure with a twist of the > exposure compensation dial. That's mostly what I do on the Super Program as well. Once in a blue moon I find myself deciding to be lazy and use program mode, usually in "easy" conditions (where the background is such that deliberately limiting DOF isn't a big issue, and there's plenty of light but I'm moving between full daylight and shadow). A bit more often than that (but still nowhere near as often as I use aperture priority), I'll use shutter priority if I'm handholding a long lens: I'll set the shutter speed to somehing hand-holdable and let the camera choose the aperture. I'm more likely to do that in low light, where I can't see the LCD readout very well (and don't want to keep hitting the "drain battery" button all the time). What would be better still for me -- both for handholding long lenses and for the times I wrap the strap around my forearm and hold the camera out the window of a moving car with a wide lens on it -- would be a mode where I could specify a _minimum_ shutter speed but let the camera choose speeds higher than that where apropriate. But normal shutter priority works well enough. I don't often shoot the Super Program in manual mode -- I don't really like the buttons, and will choose the KX, K2, or a screwmount body to shoot manual if I have any of those handy. Once in a while I hit a situation where I want to go manual and only have the Super Program with me (or that's the only one with the right kind of film in it); occasionally I'll do the "manual mode plus exposure compensation plus TTL flash" trick for fill flash. > One thing I forgot to mention about the Super Program, is that the film > speed is a pain in the neck to change. It takes two hands, and even > then, isn't particularly easy or quick. Uh, I don't find it difficult. I grab the camera from the bottom in my right hand, jab what little fingernail I've got on my left index finger into the little button, and use my left thumb and middle finger to rotate the dial. I don't even think about it -- it just sort of happens. (It doesn't take much of a fingernail to do this; my left hand is my fretting hand, and the nails on that side are trimmed close.) Now a PITA film-speed change would be the K2, though I think I've finally gotten the hang of _that_ one... (It seems that the speed ring wants to be moved with a fingernail rather than a fingertip. Either that or I just got lucky the last couple times I had to adjust it.) Shel Belinkoff wrote: > This begs the question of shooting style. I'd think that a photographer > would know what the shutter speed and aperture are set at without having > to look. Unless I'm switching between bodies and lose track of what speed the Super Program was last set to, maybe. > Of course, with the old fashioned shutter speed dial, the > "readout" is there to be easily seen at all times, except in darkness, a > situation in which very few photographs of the "stealth" type are made > anyway. #blink# Uh ... quietly rest the camera on top of a pewter goblet (nice steady support), angle it in the direction of the cutie across the table whose face is lit by candlelight, and wait for a loud moment in the conversation to press the shutter button ... "very few" doesn't match my personal experience. ;-) (Or rest the camera on the tabletop with a lens cap propping up the end of the lens to point it up slightly...) > Using such a dial allows one to change the aperture and feel each change > with the finger. With practice - and practice is necessary to some > degree - the photographer can change shutter speeds in the dark and know > exactly what speed has been selected. Of course, this assumes > familiarity with the camera, and assumes that the photographer wants, or > cares enough to, take the time to learn this skill. If all else fails, on a camera with a dial (i.e. K2, KX), I'll just rotate it to the shortest or longest speed and count the clicks from there in the dark. Bolo wrote: > > One problem with some of the electronic designs is that you can't "feel" > > the shutter speed settings change. > > That is true of some "electronic" interfaces, typically on AF bodies. > However: The buttons on the SP give you definite ideas of the shutter > speed. For every click you get a one-stop change in speed, no more, > no less. If you remember where you started from... > Reliably time after time. *If* the way your fingers fit the buttons gives you a reliable button-press each time you poke at it. Note that there's no "tactile keyclick" to let you know whether you've _really_ pressed the button. And goodness help you if you're wearing Winter gloves! Sorry; I've gotten used to _coping_ with the buttons, but I don't find them anywhere as easy to use as the dial.
Re: Super Program buyer
reminds me of a review of a (quite expensive sports) car i read a few years ago. there was a line about the stereo being lousy, but then, it continued, that shouldn't have mattered because of the deafening engine roar... > :^) ... that's why you might as well use it w/ the Winder! > it will cover up that shutter/mirror noise and nobody > will hear it - stealth factor is then re-enabled > > !8^D Bill -- http://fastmail.fm/ - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Duh, I shoulda thought of that. ;-) On Tuesday 23 April 2002 01:46 pm, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: > Ken Archer wrote: > > Compared to my ME Supers and Spotmatics, the Super Program > > is a real "klunker", at least that is what it sounds like. > > You lose stealth mode after the first shot. > > > :^) ... that's why you might as well use it w/ the Winder! > > it will cover up that shutter/mirror noise and nobody > will hear it - stealth factor is then re-enabled > > !8^D Bill -- Kenneth Archer, San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Ken Archer wrote: > Compared to my ME Supers and Spotmatics, the Super Program > is a real "klunker", at least that is what it sounds like. > You lose stealth mode after the first shot. :^) ... that's why you might as well use it w/ the Winder! it will cover up that shutter/mirror noise and nobody will hear it - stealth factor is then re-enabled !8^D Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Super Program buyer
Hi Ken.I recently aquired a Super Program in February and, although i like the camera,made the same discoveries. It is a lot noisier than my K1000 or Spotties and i did the same tests,all exposed very well.I shot some TTl flash using Auto Ap. priority and bouncy(see Cotty)and all exposed fine. I bought it as a back up to the K1000's but really like the TTL flash.I think you will too. BTW i used the AF280T. Dave Begin Original Message From: Ken Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:57:23 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Super Program buyer This is just a follow-up with my first impressions of my bargain $75 Super Program. There was so much mirror slap and shutter noise that I replaced the mirror pad which was about gone and the light seals. That didn't help. Compared to my ME Supers and Spotmatics, the Super Program is a real "klunker", at least that is what it sounds like. You lose stealth mode after the first shot. I shot a test roll using shutter priority, aperature priority and full program mode and the negs came out identical and right on the money. I have a AF200T coming and want to try out the ttl flash. That might be the only thing that would make me prefer the Super Program over the ME Super. -- Kenneth Archer, San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Thanks Ken.I'll keep the MEII winder in mind. Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
One of mine has developed this problem. I think it began when I stuffed the camera into my lunch bag. Some foodstuffs may be clogging it up. >>> One thing I forgot to mention about the Super Program, is that >>> the film speed is a pain in the neck to change. It takes two >>> hands, and even then, isn't particularly easy or quick. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
William, I was wrong. I was thinking of my Yashica Electro rangefinders. On the original full-size models (45/1.7 lens), click stops were every 1/3 stop. On the later, slightly smaller GL, this was changed to half-stops. William Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curious. I have both the older Super Program with the 400..800..1600 ASA/ISO dial and the newer one with the 400...1000.1600 dial. Both have click stops for film in 1/3 stops. There are other subtle differences between them as well. Is there a third version of the Super Program out there? And how would one set film speed by half stops when film speeds are rated in 1/3 stops? Or did I misunderstand what you are saying? Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
> Yes, I've been working on it, and either practice or exercise (or > most likely both) I've gotten to where it's not the daunting chore > that it once was. One thing that helps me is to face the camera > towards me, and cradle it with my left hand, and do like you said > with my right hand. *Much* better than the way I used to do it > (though I still prefer the lift and turn of the ME Super). Thanks > for the tip, Fred. Well, keep at it, William - . I know what you mean about the simple "lift and turn" dial on the ME Super - it is a lot easier (than the Super Program style) to change one-handed, I guess. Oh, well... Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Hi Fred, Yes, I've been working on it, and either practice or exercise (or most likely both) I've gotten to where it's not the daunting chore that it once was. One thing that helps me is to face the camera towards me, and cradle it with my left hand, and do like you said with my right hand. *Much* better than the way I used to do it (though I still prefer the lift and turn of the ME Super). Thanks for the tip, Fred. William in Utah. Fred wrote: > > >>> One thing I forgot to mention about the Super Program, is that > >>> the film speed is a pain in the neck to change. It takes two > >>> hands, and even then, isn't particularly easy or quick. > > >> I personally have not found this to be a problem, William. I > >> only need one hand, [clever, nimble-fingered technique snipped] > >> [] It's all pretty easy (for me, anyway - .) (By the way, > >> the same "technique" works well for me with the LX, too.) > > > Hmmm I just tried this with both bodies (slightly different > > "editions", btw) and maybe my fingers are just too stubby. With some > > work, I can get one to do it, but the other ...argghh! :-) Even when > > I get the button pushed down sufficiently, the ring seems hard to turn. > > Maybe it's just my cameras. I seem to have much better luck with the > > "lift and turn" set. > > Maybe that once body that has a hard-to-turn ASA dial is indeed the > problem, William. Have you tried working the dial back and forth a > number of times, to try to loosen it up? > > Fred > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
> On the original Super Program, the ISO dial had click stops every > 1/2 stop. This arrangement was changed to every 1/3 stop when ISO > 1000 films were introduced. Gee, I never noticed that, Paul. All of my own Super Program/A, Program Plus/A, and M-series bodies seem to have 1/3-stop click stops. Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Curious. I have both the older Super Program with the 400..800..1600 ASA/ISO dial and the newer one with the 400...1000.1600 dial. Both have click stops for film in 1/3 stops. There are other subtle differences between them as well. Is there a third version of the Super Program out there? And how would one set film speed by half stops when film speeds are rated in 1/3 stops? Or did I misunderstand what you are saying? William in Utah. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > One of the chief reasons I chose the Super Program was that it displays the shutter >speed in an LCD on the top panel. Great for stealth shots when you don't want to lift >the camera to your eye. Not until the MZ-7 (ZX-7) did Pentax offer this amenity on >its MZ autofocus bodies. Ricoh offered it on the XR-M/RX-X and the company's final >model, the XR-3P; I'm not sure about the XR-3000, a lesser model introduced in the >early 90s. > > On the original Super Program, the ISO dial had click stops every 1/2 stop. This >arrangement was changed to every 1/3 stop when ISO 1000 films were introduced. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
>>> One thing I forgot to mention about the Super Program, is that >>> the film speed is a pain in the neck to change. It takes two >>> hands, and even then, isn't particularly easy or quick. >> I personally have not found this to be a problem, William. I >> only need one hand, [clever, nimble-fingered technique snipped] >> [] It's all pretty easy (for me, anyway - .) (By the way, >> the same "technique" works well for me with the LX, too.) > Hmmm I just tried this with both bodies (slightly different > "editions", btw) and maybe my fingers are just too stubby. With some > work, I can get one to do it, but the other ...argghh! :-) Even when > I get the button pushed down sufficiently, the ring seems hard to turn. > Maybe it's just my cameras. I seem to have much better luck with the > "lift and turn" set. Maybe that once body that has a hard-to-turn ASA dial is indeed the problem, William. Have you tried working the dial back and forth a number of times, to try to loosen it up? Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Hmmm I just tried this with both bodies (slightly different "editions", btw) and maybe my fingers are just too stubby. With some work, I can get one to do it, but the other ...argghh! :-) Even when I get the button pushed down sufficiently, the ring seems hard to turn. Maybe it's just my cameras. I seem to have much better luck with the "lift and turn" set. Thanks, William in Utah. Fred wrote: > > > One thing I forgot to mention about the Super Program, is that the > > film speed is a pain in the neck to change. It takes two hands, > > and even then, isn't particularly easy or quick. > > I personally have not found this to be a problem, William. I only > need one hand, the left hand (not counting the other hand, the right > hand, which is used to support the camera body and lens). In fact, > it only takes three fingers on the left hand to change film speed: > The film speed dial is rotated using the thumb and the middle > finger, each gripping it on opposite sides from each other (and each > about 90 degrees away from the release button). Then the fingernail > of the index finger is used to press the release button so that the > thumb and middle finger can succeed in turning the dial. It's all > pretty easy (for me, anyway - .) (By the way, the same > "technique" works well for me with the LX, too.) > > Fred > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Shel wrote: > One problem with some of the electronic designs is that you can't "feel" > the shutter speed settings change. A quick example that comes to mind > is the ME Super, which has push buttons to change the speeds. I imagine > that numerous other modern cameras have a similar "feature" where there > is no way to feel the "steps" when changing speed, as on a camera like > the MX which uses a dial and at each speed change you can feel the the > dial "click" into place. That is true of some "electronic" interfaces, typically on AF bodies. However: The buttons on the SP give you definite ideas of the shutter speed. For every click you get a one-stop change in speed, no more, no less. Reliably time after time. Just as you count clicks in the darkness on a knob type dial, you count button pushes on the SP. It isn't like a newer body where you "spin the wheel" and have no idea when something is changing. One push, one stop on the SP (and presumably the ME super too). At first, I was skeptical of the push buttons for changing shutter speed, especially after I had looked at so many newer bodies which tend to have "control wheels" with no feedback. The buttons on the SP are so natural you can use them without thinking. The camera becomes more an extension of your body. You can be locked-and-loaded in your shooting position and affect exposure changes just by moving your index finger to a speed button, tapping it, and returning to the shutter. No lost motion, grip change, or anything. It allows one to change either the aperture or the shutter speed equally, without jostling the framing. > Using such a dial allows one to change the aperture and feel each change > with the finger. With practice - and practice is necessary to some > degree - the photographer can change shutter speeds in the dark and know > ... That is true of the SP as well -- see above. > As an aside, when Leica introduced the M6 TTL there was quite an outcry > from long-time Leica users because the shutter speed dial, after almost > 50 years of rotating in one direction, was changed to rotate in the > opposite direction, causing, if not confusion, a need for the > ... Agreed; this is annoying. On occasion I borrow a lens whose focus ring turns backwards from a Pentax lens. It is annoying to use, and I can often lose shots (in rapid changing situations) due to tweaking focus the wrong way with it. Zoom direction changes are equally annoying (either push/pull or 2/touch). I've made a decision to only get Pentax glass, which keeps everything consistent. Now that I have more Pentax gear, I've opened up some to considering non-Pentax glass. However, a lens with focus (& zoom) controls which run in the same direction as Pentax is something higher-up on the consideration list than I though it would be. -- My wetware is wired for Pentax! One of the small things I really like about the P67 system is that focus and zoom (and aperture) controls all operate in the same direction as the 35mm K-Mount equipment. I can transition between them with no wasted thought or motion. One thing slightly annoying is that the shutter speed dial is in the "wrong" position -- on the left side of the body -- instead of next to the shutter release. On the other hand, when I grab the F4 and a lens, I need to think about which direction the focus ring moves, and which direction the zoom ring (on zoom lenses) move. Until my mindset switches, I often "do the wrong thing" -- and discover that "Oh, its _this_ lens, zoom is backward, but focus is normal". Normal to Pentax, that is! And, even worse, the directions can _change_ across lenses, instead of being the same for all -- as Pentax does. Bolo -- Josef T. Burger - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Super Program buyer
Well, call me a dissenter, but I hate the little buttons for shutter speed- I find them to feel really cheap and flimsy. I prefer having a dial for shutter speed, although a thumbwheel like I've seen on some Nikons would be really nice, IMHO. I haven't handled the latest gen cameras- ZX-5n or MZ-S, gotta try that sometime, although no one seems to carry them around here. Taka - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
This begs the question of shooting style. I'd think that a photographer would know what the shutter speed and aperture are set at without having to look. Of course, with the old fashioned shutter speed dial, the "readout" is there to be easily seen at all times, except in darkness, a situation in which very few photographs of the "stealth" type are made anyway. One problem with some of the electronic designs is that you can't "feel" the shutter speed settings change. A quick example that comes to mind is the ME Super, which has push buttons to change the speeds. I imagine that numerous other modern cameras have a similar "feature" where there is no way to feel the "steps" when changing speed, as on a camera like the MX which uses a dial and at each speed change you can feel the the dial "click" into place. Using such a dial allows one to change the aperture and feel each change with the finger. With practice - and practice is necessary to some degree - the photographer can change shutter speeds in the dark and know exactly what speed has been selected. Of course, this assumes familiarity with the camera, and assumes that the photographer wants, or cares enough to, take the time to learn this skill. As an aside, when Leica introduced the M6 TTL there was quite an outcry from long-time Leica users because the shutter speed dial, after almost 50 years of rotating in one direction, was changed to rotate in the opposite direction, causing, if not confusion, a need for the photographer to slow down and think more about which camera s/he was using and which direction the speed dial had to turn. Of course, this was no problem for new users, who'd never used the earlier iterations of the M6, M4, etc. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > One of the chief reasons I chose the > Super Program was that it displays the > shutter speed in an LCD on the top panel. > Great for stealth shots when you don't > want to lift the camera to your eye. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom-rentals/index.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
One of the chief reasons I chose the Super Program was that it displays the shutter speed in an LCD on the top panel. Great for stealth shots when you don't want to lift the camera to your eye. Not until the MZ-7 (ZX-7) did Pentax offer this amenity on its MZ autofocus bodies. Ricoh offered it on the XR-M/RX-X and the company's final model, the XR-3P; I'm not sure about the XR-3000, a lesser model introduced in the early 90s. On the original Super Program, the ISO dial had click stops every 1/2 stop. This arrangement was changed to every 1/3 stop when ISO 1000 films were introduced. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Does that mean the camera decides both the aperture and the shutter speed? Is AUTO the same as Program Mode? Steve Larson wrote: > Yes, when in "AUTO" mode, Auto everything (except focus), > take it off the "A" (on the lens) setting and you have Aperture priority. > Put the camera on "M" (manual) the lens on "A", you have > Shutter Priority, take it off the "A" (on the lens) while > still in "M" mode on the camera, and you have full manual. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom-rentals/index.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Is "program mode" when the lens is set on "A"? Yes, when in "AUTO" mode, Auto everything (except focus), take it off the "A" (on the lens) setting and you have Aperture priority. Put the camera on "M" (manual) the lens on "A", you have Shutter Priority, take it off the "A" (on the lens) while still in "M" mode on the camera, and you have full manual. > Is a bouncy mirror/shutter considered a virtue ? 1/15 and 1/30`s be careful. Mirror is kind of slappy, and the shutter ain`t quiet either. > So it's essentially an ME S with some more auto functions and a less > desirable mirror/shutter system. Don`t know about ME-S, never had one. The Super P is a vertical shutter. It also has exposure comp, self timer and DOF preview. The DOF preview button is in the perfect spot. Oh, one more thing, the viewfinder info can be light up with a button. If it only had MLU, but it`s small size is great. Steve (GO KINGS!) Larson Redondo Beach, California - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Hi Bill ... I remember using one of these a couple of years ago. Mark Dalal had one, and I fiddled with it a bit. I liked that little grip thing, and iirc, there was something on the back that made for better gripping as well. The camera didn't feel as solid as the ME S., as you noted. I've never understood the need for all the automation, but I guess that's understandable coming from a guy whose newest cameras are more than 20 years old. I still don't know what "program mode" is and how the "A" setting on the A-series lenses works. Speaking of modes, I think I understand how hyper-mode works, in that the user can change the aperture or shutter speed by just turning a little dial, and they remain in synch with one another. Anyway, that's how i remember it being explaine. Well, to my surprise, I discovered that same feature on 40+ year old Rolleiflexes. It's rather neat. 04/18/2002 21:13:57 PM, "William Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Shel, > >I've got a couple of them. The biggest plus for me over my ME Super is >DOF preview. Other niceties are a viewfinder display that works great >in decent or bright light. It is a backlit LCD at the bottom of the >finder image. I think that it's awful in low light. Sure, there is an >illuminator button, but it is awkward to reach, and none to bright when >you do manage to activate it. The viewfinder magnification is less than >an ME Super, which can be nice if you wear eyeglasses because itmakes >the whole image easier to view at once (at least for me). It supports >TTL flash, though as I recall, you're not much of a flash user. It >usually comes with a little detachable grip that I feel makes for easier >holding than the earlier "M" cameras. This must be taken off to mount a >motor drive or winder. I'm not sure the name of the motor, but the >winder is the Winder MEII. > >With "A" series lenses (or later) you pick up shutter priority and >program operation. Otherwise, it's Aperture priority or manual. Camera >selected aperture is available in the viewfinder in Shutter priority or >Program modes only. Shutter speeds can be user selected from 15 seconds >to 1/2000. Self timer is electronic and beeps and flashes as it counts >down. > >I don't think that it feels as solid as an ME or ME Super. Also, it is >not as quiet and it feels rather "jumpy" when I make an exposure. I >haven't noticed pictures taken with it are any less sharp than with >other cameras. > >Generally, I like using them slightly less than my ME Super or ME (or >ZX-5n too,) but there are times when some of the advantages make it the >camera of choice. If I didn't have them, I would look to replace at >least one immediately. > >Hope this helps, --- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Hi Shel, I've got a couple of them. The biggest plus for me over my ME Super is DOF preview. Other niceties are a viewfinder display that works great in decent or bright light. It is a backlit LCD at the bottom of the finder image. I think that it's awful in low light. Sure, there is an illuminator button, but it is awkward to reach, and none to bright when you do manage to activate it. The viewfinder magnification is less than an ME Super, which can be nice if you wear eyeglasses because it makes the whole image easier to view at once (at least for me). It supports TTL flash, though as I recall, you're not much of a flash user. It usually comes with a little detachable grip that I feel makes for easier holding than the earlier "M" cameras. This must be taken off to mount a motor drive or winder. I'm not sure the name of the motor, but the winder is the Winder MEII. With "A" series lenses (or later) you pick up shutter priority and program operation. Otherwise, it's Aperture priority or manual. Camera selected aperture is available in the viewfinder in Shutter priority or Program modes only. Shutter speeds can be user selected from 15 seconds to 1/2000. Self timer is electronic and beeps and flashes as it counts down. I don't think that it feels as solid as an ME or ME Super. Also, it is not as quiet and it feels rather "jumpy" when I make an exposure. I haven't noticed pictures taken with it are any less sharp than with other cameras. Generally, I like using them slightly less than my ME Super or ME (or ZX-5n too,) but there are times when some of the advantages make it the camera of choice. If I didn't have them, I would look to replace at least one immediately. Hope this helps, William in Utah. Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > What are the virtues of a Super Program? I'm not familiar with the > camera except by name. > > Ken Archer wrote: > > > > ...but n, you had to start talking about Super Programs and > > all their virtues > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ > http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom-rentals/index.html > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
I have the ME Winder II, but I have been looking for a motor drive. Oh, man, doesn't it ever end? On Thursday 18 April 2002 07:55 pm, Steve Larson wrote: > and a motor drive! ;) > Steve Larson > Redondo Beach, California > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: Super Program buyer > > > Ken, > > You won't regret it. > > The Super Program is a great camera! > > Now you need an AF200T or AF280T flash. > > Regards, Bob S. -- Kenneth Archer, San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
Is "program mode" when the lens is set on "A"? Is a bouncy mirror/shutter considered a virtue ? So it's essentially an ME S with some more auto functions and a less desirable mirror/shutter system. William Robb wrote: > > What are the virtues of a Super Program? > > -It's pretty small, only a bit taller than an ME Super. I > believe it will use the same winder as the ME Super. > -It has the same general layout as the ME Super. > -Shutter, and aperture preferred automatic, manual and program > exposure modes > TTL flash control. > -A reasonable viewfinder, with a nicely laid out LCD panel below > the screen. Nothing intrudes into the viewing area. > -One of the bounciest mirror/ shutter combinations I have ever > seen, and no mirror lock. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom-rentals/index.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
and a motor drive! ;) Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Super Program buyer > Ken, > You won't regret it. > The Super Program is a great camera! > Now you need an AF200T or AF280T flash. > Regards, Bob S. > > > Curses on all you enablers out there that FORCED me to > > go to my local pawn shop today and plunk down $75 for a > > Super Program with an A1.7/50mm lens. I was quite > > content with all my Spotmatics and ME Supers, but n, > > you had to start talking about Super Programs and all > > their virtues and, trying the best that I could, I had > > to try one. > > I'll clean it up and put a test roll through it and > > then I'll see if I still want to be a part of this > > group in the morning. > > > > -- > > Kenneth Archer, San Antonio, Texas > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Super Program buyer > What are the virtues of a Super Program? I'm not familiar with the > camera except by name. -It's pretty small, only a bit taller than an ME Super. I believe it will use the same winder as the ME Super. -It has the same general layout as the ME Super. -Shutter, and aperture preferred automatic, manual and program exposure modes TTL flash control. -A reasonable viewfinder, with a nicely laid out LCD panel below the screen. Nothing intrudes into the viewing area. -One of the bounciest mirror/ shutter combinations I have ever seen, and no mirror lock. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program buyer
What are the virtues of a Super Program? I'm not familiar with the camera except by name. Ken Archer wrote: > > ...but n, you had to start talking about Super Programs and > all their virtues -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom-rentals/index.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
