RE: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler
Shel, > I don't see another drawer for the red, light-blocking filter. I've heard other people say this too, but mine has one immediately above the lens. It takes the thick deep red filter that blocks all light that paper is sensitive to, so that you can leave the enlarger light on while the paper is there. I'm not sure why, maybe to focus or control exposure with the filter drawer if you don't have a timer, or practice dodging and burning or something? > Your info on the contrast produced by the Kodak and Ilford > filters is interesting. maybe getting a set of each would be > a good idea, but I'll probably start with just one set. > > Have you noticed any quality differences between the Kodak > and the Ilford filters? Are there other brands to consider? There are other brands, but I have not used them so I don't know what they are like. I would start with the Kodak filters if I were doing it from scratch again. I've used papers by Ilford, Agfa, Kodak, and Oriental, and for the way I develop my negatives, they all seem to give pretty consistent grade variations with the Kodak filters whereas the Ilford filters seem a little more "jumpy" from grade to grade for some reason. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler
Oh well. :-) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler > > > > Hi Paul ... I think you've misunderstood my situation. I have two > enlargers, one with a dichro head and the other with a condenser head. > I may want to use the condenser head enlarger with VC paper at times, > therefore my question about filters for it. > > "Paul M. Provencher" wrote: > > > > You can use the dichro- head to do it; do not > > need different brands of filters for different > > brands of paper; can probably find the > > dichro starting points for equivalent VC filters on > > the Kodak site (buried somewhere no doubt), or > > experiment. If memory serves, the #1 filter is light > > yellow and the rest are increasingly magenta. > > Of course that's not very useful but you could experiment as > > that is what will be most meaningful anyway. > > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler
Hi Paul ... I think you've misunderstood my situation. I have two enlargers, one with a dichro head and the other with a condenser head. I may want to use the condenser head enlarger with VC paper at times, therefore my question about filters for it. "Paul M. Provencher" wrote: > > You can use the dichro- head to do it; do not > need different brands of filters for different > brands of paper; can probably find the > dichro starting points for equivalent VC filters on > the Kodak site (buried somewhere no doubt), or > experiment. If memory serves, the #1 filter is light > yellow and the rest are increasingly magenta. > Of course that's not very useful but you could experiment as > that is what will be most meaningful anyway. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler
You can use the dichro- head to do it; do not need different brands of filters for different brands of paper; can probably find the dichro starting points for equivalent VC filters on the Kodak site (buried somewhere no doubt), or experiment. If memory serves, the #1 filter is light yellow and the rest are increasingly magenta. Of course that's not very useful but you could experiment as that is what will be most meaningful anyway. ppro > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:21 PM > To: Pentax List > Subject: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler > > > > Now that I've got the Beseler 23CII almost set up for printing. I'm > going to need some VC filters. I've never used filters before. Do I > need different brands of filters for different brands of papers? Using > the dichro head I can just dial in whatever contrast range I want, and > there are charts available for different brands of paper to help > determine the correct grade. Would I need one set of filters for Ilford > VC paper, another for Agfa, a third for Kodak, etc.? > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 12:21 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Would I need one set of filters for Ilford > VC paper, another for Agfa, a third for Kodak, etc.? Shel, I've found that the Kodak and Agfa sets are very similar. The Ilford set is different above 2 1/2. I've never had any trouble using an Ilford set with Agfa papers, but my Agfa filters and Ilford Multicontrast Warmtone fibre were a bad mix: everything seemed quite flat at 2 and below, but 3 and up gave me very contrasty results, with no middle ground to be found. Personally, I like the thickness and packaging of the Agfa set better (a book with pages that are individual pockets for the filters), but if you regularly work with Ilford papers, Ilford's filters are probably the best choice. Also, I believe Ilford's filters are the least expensive, which never hurts. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler
Hi Ed ... The thought of using the filters below the lens never entered my mind. I figured on using the 6" filters in the drawer above the condenser. I don't see another drawer for the red, light-blocking filter. Your info on the contrast produced by the Kodak and Ilford filters is interesting. maybe getting a set of each would be a good idea, but I'll probably start with just one set. Have you noticed any quality differences between the Kodak and the Ilford filters? Are there other brands to consider? Thanks! Ed Mathews wrote: > > Right. But Shel, make sure you get the 6" filters for the filter drawer > above the lens if you can. At least that way you don't introduce > something below the lens for the light and image to pass through. You > can also cut them into smaller squares and use them in the other filter > drawer right above the lens that is used for the red, light-blocking > filter. Also, I have both the Ilford and the Kodak filters, and I find > the Ilford filters to produce more contrast on most papers. I develop > my film for the Kodak filters most of the time and print with those > unless I need a contrast boost. Both sets print with one speed up to > grade 3-1/2, and then you need to add about another stop for filters 4 > and above. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Variable Contrast Filters for Beseler
Right. But Shel, make sure you get the 6" filters for the filter drawer above the lens if you can. At least that way you don't introduce something below the lens for the light and image to pass through. You can also cut them into smaller squares and use them in the other filter drawer right above the lens that is used for the red, light-blocking filter. Also, I have both the Ilford and the Kodak filters, and I find the Ilford filters to produce more contrast on most papers. I develop my film for the Kodak filters most of the time and print with those unless I need a contrast boost. Both sets print with one speed up to grade 3-1/2, and then you need to add about another stop for filters 4 and above. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Robb > Ideally, yes, because the spectral sensitivity of the various > brands of paper do differ. In actual practice, it is not so > critical, as contrast grades are not absolute from brand to > brand either. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
