Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Ewins wrote:

>I'm hoping that I can get a different aspect to the look by posing people 
>rather than just shooting on the street. 

A 300 can be an excellent portrait lens sometimes. Here's one taken
with my K10-D and the Sigma 300/2.8 - but it's not my photo. It was
taken at GFM 2007 with my camera and lens but not by me. I have no
idea who grabbed my camera and got this shot, but it's a fine portrait
of Doug Brewer:

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d701508.jpg
1/160 second, f/4.0, ISO 400
Photographer unknown
 
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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-29 Thread Paul Ewins
Well it's definitely art photography and usually bigger means better in art 
photography :-)  The new lens will be used more for working with one or two 
people, simply so that I can work a bit closer to them. I'm hoping that I can 
get a different aspect to the look by posing people rather than just shooting 
on the street. With luck I can add another twelve shots to the portfolio and 
call it a day. 

Paul



On 30/11/2012, at 8:26 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Interesting shots. I like the effect and find the shots nicely composed. i 
> think the look is limited, in that it's technique based and repetitive, but 
> as a small portfolio, it works very well.
> 
> Paul
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Miserere  wrote:
> 
>> Those are quite cool, Paul. All you need now is some artsy fartsy BS
>> about deconstructing the individual within the crowd to mirror the
>> loss of social cohesion in modern cities and you've got yourself a
>> career as an artist. You might even make a few million if you print
>> these mural size and sell a single copy of each. Find yourself a beret
>> and a good gallery owner and you're in business.
>> 
>> I'm not joking.
>> 
>> As for the lens, you're in luck because now you can purchase a faulty
>> lens with a broken focus ring for a lot less money than a fully
>> functioning one. As an added bonus you gain instant artist-cred for
>> using a broken lens  :-)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>>  —M.
>> 
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>> 
>>   http://EnticingTheLight.com
>>   A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
>> 
>> 


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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Interesting shots. I like the effect and find the shots nicely composed. i 
think the look is limited, in that it's technique based and repetitive, but as 
a small portfolio, it works very well.

Paul
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Miserere  wrote:

> Those are quite cool, Paul. All you need now is some artsy fartsy BS
> about deconstructing the individual within the crowd to mirror the
> loss of social cohesion in modern cities and you've got yourself a
> career as an artist. You might even make a few million if you print
> these mural size and sell a single copy of each. Find yourself a beret
> and a good gallery owner and you're in business.
> 
> I'm not joking.
> 
> As for the lens, you're in luck because now you can purchase a faulty
> lens with a broken focus ring for a lot less money than a fully
> functioning one. As an added bonus you gain instant artist-cred for
> using a broken lens  :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>   —M.
> 
>\/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com
> 
>http://EnticingTheLight.com
>A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 November 2012 00:51, Paul Ewins  wrote:
>> The prices do seem to vary a bit, although the new M43 version is around 
>> $400, so maybe that was the baseline the seller used. As it turns out I 
>> found a Quantaray one last night that cost me $195 plus shipping and if Joe 
>> finds his Celestron I might grab that one too and sell of whichever is the 
>> worst performer.
>> 
>> FWIW, this is what I have been using them for: 
>> http://www.paulewins.com/PSC/semester_4_creative/index.html
>> 
>> These really need to be seen as large as possible - they look best when 
>> projected and when I printed them I went to A2 which is much as my printer 
>> can handle.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/11/2012, at 2:01 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>> 
>>> There's one available on eBay right now (in PK mount, coincidently),
>>> though they're asking way more than I'd be willing to pay:
>>> 
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140881917530
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  —M.
>>> 
>>>   \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com
>>> 
>>>   http://EnticingTheLight.com
>>>   A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27 November 2012 00:07, Anthony Farr  wrote:
 There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
 one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
 in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
 precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
 a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
 experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
 is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
 lens.
 
 Here's a link to some comments about it:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
 Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
 sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
 risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
 that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
 UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
 other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).
 
 regards, Anthony
 
 
 On 27 November 2012 13:25, Miserere  wrote:
> Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
> good for a mirror lens.
> 
> The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  —M.
> 
 
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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-29 Thread Miserere
Those are quite cool, Paul. All you need now is some artsy fartsy BS
about deconstructing the individual within the crowd to mirror the
loss of social cohesion in modern cities and you've got yourself a
career as an artist. You might even make a few million if you print
these mural size and sell a single copy of each. Find yourself a beret
and a good gallery owner and you're in business.

I'm not joking.

As for the lens, you're in luck because now you can purchase a faulty
lens with a broken focus ring for a lot less money than a fully
functioning one. As an added bonus you gain instant artist-cred for
using a broken lens  :-)

Cheers,


   —M.

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http://EnticingTheLight.com
A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment



On 28 November 2012 00:51, Paul Ewins  wrote:
> The prices do seem to vary a bit, although the new M43 version is around 
> $400, so maybe that was the baseline the seller used. As it turns out I found 
> a Quantaray one last night that cost me $195 plus shipping and if Joe finds 
> his Celestron I might grab that one too and sell of whichever is the worst 
> performer.
>
> FWIW, this is what I have been using them for: 
> http://www.paulewins.com/PSC/semester_4_creative/index.html
>
> These really need to be seen as large as possible - they look best when 
> projected and when I printed them I went to A2 which is much as my printer 
> can handle.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 28/11/2012, at 2:01 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>
>> There's one available on eBay right now (in PK mount, coincidently),
>> though they're asking way more than I'd be willing to pay:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140881917530
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>   —M.
>>
>>\/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com
>>
>>http://EnticingTheLight.com
>>A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27 November 2012 00:07, Anthony Farr  wrote:
>>> There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
>>> one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
>>> in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
>>> precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
>>> a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
>>> experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
>>> is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
>>> lens.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to some comments about it:
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
>>> Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
>>> sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
>>> risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
>>> that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
>>> UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
>>> other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).
>>>
>>> regards, Anthony
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 November 2012 13:25, Miserere  wrote:
 Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
 good for a mirror lens.

 The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.

 Cheers,

   —M.

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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-28 Thread Toine
For $200 I would have sold you mine. Would have, because your shots
are very cool and now I'm going to dust off my Panagor copy.

Toine

On 28 November 2012 06:51, Paul Ewins  wrote:
> The prices do seem to vary a bit, although the new M43 version is around 
> $400, so maybe that was the baseline the seller used. As it turns out I found 
> a Quantaray one last night that cost me $195 plus shipping and if Joe finds 
> his Celestron I might grab that one too and sell of whichever is the worst 
> performer.
>
> FWIW, this is what I have been using them for: 
> http://www.paulewins.com/PSC/semester_4_creative/index.html
>
> These really need to be seen as large as possible - they look best when 
> projected and when I printed them I went to A2 which is much as my printer 
> can handle.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 28/11/2012, at 2:01 PM, Miserere  wrote:
>
>> There's one available on eBay right now (in PK mount, coincidently),
>> though they're asking way more than I'd be willing to pay:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140881917530
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>   —M.
>>
>>\/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com
>>
>>http://EnticingTheLight.com
>>A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27 November 2012 00:07, Anthony Farr  wrote:
>>> There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
>>> one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
>>> in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
>>> precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
>>> a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
>>> experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
>>> is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
>>> lens.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to some comments about it:
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
>>> Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
>>> sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
>>> risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
>>> that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
>>> UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
>>> other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).
>>>
>>> regards, Anthony
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 November 2012 13:25, Miserere  wrote:
 Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
 good for a mirror lens.

 The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.

 Cheers,

   —M.

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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Paul Ewins wrote:
> 
> 
> FWIW, this is what I have been using them for: 
> http://www.paulewins.com/PSC/semester_4_creative/index.html

That is a very interesting effect.


> 
> These really need to be seen as large as possible - they look best when 
> projected and when I printed them I went to A2 which is much as my printer 
> can handle.
> 
> 

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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-27 Thread Paul Ewins
The prices do seem to vary a bit, although the new M43 version is around $400, 
so maybe that was the baseline the seller used. As it turns out I found a 
Quantaray one last night that cost me $195 plus shipping and if Joe finds his 
Celestron I might grab that one too and sell of whichever is the worst 
performer. 

FWIW, this is what I have been using them for: 
http://www.paulewins.com/PSC/semester_4_creative/index.html

These really need to be seen as large as possible - they look best when 
projected and when I printed them I went to A2 which is much as my printer can 
handle.

Paul

 
On 28/11/2012, at 2:01 PM, Miserere  wrote:

> There's one available on eBay right now (in PK mount, coincidently),
> though they're asking way more than I'd be willing to pay:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140881917530
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>   —M.
> 
>\/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com
> 
>http://EnticingTheLight.com
>A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 November 2012 00:07, Anthony Farr  wrote:
>> There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
>> one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
>> in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
>> precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
>> a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
>> experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
>> is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
>> lens.
>> 
>> Here's a link to some comments about it:
>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
>> Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
>> sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
>> risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
>> that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
>> UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
>> other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).
>> 
>> regards, Anthony
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 November 2012 13:25, Miserere  wrote:
>>> Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
>>> good for a mirror lens.
>>> 
>>> The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>>   —M.
>>> 
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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-27 Thread P. J. Alling
It probably sold for a bit over $150 new without the PK T mount so 
somebody's expecting to make quite a killing, or has no idea what it's 
really worth.


On 11/27/2012 10:01 PM, Miserere wrote:

There's one available on eBay right now (in PK mount, coincidently),
though they're asking way more than I'd be willing to pay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140881917530

Cheers,


—M.

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 A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment



On 27 November 2012 00:07, Anthony Farr  wrote:

There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
lens.

Here's a link to some comments about it:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).

regards, Anthony


On 27 November 2012 13:25, Miserere  wrote:

Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
good for a mirror lens.

The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.

Cheers,

—M.


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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-27 Thread Miserere
There's one available on eBay right now (in PK mount, coincidently),
though they're asking way more than I'd be willing to pay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140881917530

Cheers,


   —M.

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On 27 November 2012 00:07, Anthony Farr  wrote:
> There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
> one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
> in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
> precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
> a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
> experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
> is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
> lens.
>
> Here's a link to some comments about it:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
> Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
> sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
> risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
> that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
> UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
> other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).
>
> regards, Anthony
>
>
> On 27 November 2012 13:25, Miserere  wrote:
>> Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
>> good for a mirror lens.
>>
>> The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>—M.
>>
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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-27 Thread Anthony Farr
On 27 November 2012 20:18, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> In astronomy that filter is known as a corrector plate. If it corrects…

That's how I discovered I needed eye-glasses.  One day I put on some
safety glasses to use a power tool.  Everthing became a little clearer
which didn't make sense, especially as the safety glasses were
presumably plain lenses, but there was enough of something happening
to merit a follow-up at an optometrist.  I've worn glasses ever since.

regards, Anthony

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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-27 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Nov 26, 2012, at 21:07 , Anthony Farr wrote:

> There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
> one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
> in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
> precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
> a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
> experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
> is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
> lens.
> 
> Here's a link to some comments about it:
> http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
> Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
> sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
> risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
> that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
> UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
> other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).

In astronomy that filter is known as a corrector plate. If it corrects…


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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Not too long ago there were a number available, probably all made in the 
same factory but sold under different brands, Ritz's house brand 
Quanatry (sp?), had one for a very low price.  Simple T mount as are 
most mirror telephotos.


On 11/26/2012 9:25 PM, Miserere wrote:

Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
good for a mirror lens.

The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.

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On 26 November 2012 00:03, Paul Ewins  wrote:

Hi all,
I've been doing a project with the 400-600 reflex zoom that makes use of it's infamous 
"donut" bokeh. I'd like to get a little closer to my subjects and the shortest 
mirror lens that I can find for M42 or K-mount is a 300mm. It looks like a few different 
manufacturers made one and I'm not fussed which one. As far as I know nobody sells them 
new (Tokina has one, but only for M4/3 which is no help) so I thought I would sing out 
and see if anyone has one they'd like to part with.

regards,
Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia
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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-26 Thread Anthony Farr
There was a Makinon 300mm reflex, f5.6 as I recall.  I almost bought
one second hand around 1990 and got as far as taking some test shots
in the shop which were impressive.  Alas, another purchase took
precedence and I let it pass.  It'd be quite old now but if you found
a clean example (refexes are a bit susceptible to fungus in my
experience) it would be worth a look.  It's compactness is amazing, it
is hardly bigger than a 50mm lens, probably smaller than a Canon 50mm
lens.

Here's a link to some comments about it:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/makinon-300mm-f5-6-mirror-lens.html
Apparently there's a fair bit a of quality variation from sample to
sample, but you shouldn't pay much for one so it could be worth the
risk.  FWIW, I was at first disappointed with my Tamron SP500 reflex
that I got in 1988, but it sharpened considerably after I put a good
UV filter up front, the only lens I've had that result from (every
other lens takes a tiny hit in sharpness when you use a UV filter).

regards, Anthony


On 27 November 2012 13:25, Miserere  wrote:
> Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
> good for a mirror lens.
>
> The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.
>
> Cheers,
>
>—M.
>

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Re: WTB 300mm reflex (mirror) lens

2012-11-26 Thread Miserere
Sorry, I only have a 400mm for sale. It's a Sigma f/5.6, and pretty
good for a mirror lens.

The only 300mm I'm aware of is indeed the one you mention for m4/3.

Cheers,

   —M.

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On 26 November 2012 00:03, Paul Ewins  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've been doing a project with the 400-600 reflex zoom that makes use of it's 
> infamous "donut" bokeh. I'd like to get a little closer to my subjects and 
> the shortest mirror lens that I can find for M42 or K-mount is a 300mm. It 
> looks like a few different manufacturers made one and I'm not fussed which 
> one. As far as I know nobody sells them new (Tokina has one, but only for 
> M4/3 which is no help) so I thought I would sing out and see if anyone has 
> one they'd like to part with.
>
> regards,
> Paul Ewins
> Melbourne, Australia
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