Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-12 Thread Larry Colen

On Feb 11, 2012, at 3:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 Here's an experiment, take your K5 mount a 200mm or longer lens on it put it 
 into live view hold it at arms length and take a few pictures.  Then try a 
 300mm.  Compare your results to using the eye level view finder.  Don't tell 
 me you always use a tripod with long lenses.  I know you'd be fibbin'.  If 
 you use a monopod the issue is worse.  It will be just impossible to use one 
 properly.
 


What percentage of people who buy entry level DSLRs own lenses over 200mm?  For 
that matter, what percentage buy any lenses other than the 18-55 (or 
thereabouts) kit lens that the camera comes with?

This camera isn't  supposed to be the be all end all camera for everyone that 
takes photos.   In most conditions that most people who buy one will use it, it 
should have performance on par with just about every APS sensor camera with a 
list price something like $500 less than the D7000 or K-5.



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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-12 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/12/2012 5:23 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Feb 11, 2012, at 3:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:


Here's an experiment, take your K5 mount a 200mm or longer lens on it put it 
into live view hold it at arms length and take a few pictures.  Then try a 
300mm.  Compare your results to using the eye level view finder.  Don't tell me 
you always use a tripod with long lenses.  I know you'd be fibbin'.  If you use 
a monopod the issue is worse.  It will be just impossible to use one properly.



What percentage of people who buy entry level DSLRs own lenses over 200mm?  For 
that matter, what percentage buy any lenses other than the 18-55 (or 
thereabouts) kit lens that the camera comes with?

This camera isn't  supposed to be the be all end all camera for everyone that 
takes photos.   In most conditions that most people who buy one will use it, it 
should have performance on par with just about every APS sensor camera with a 
list price something like $500 less than the D7000 or K-5.


I didn't say otherwise.  Tim Bray asked why it was problematic with long 
lenses.  I told him.





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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-12 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/12/2012 9:53 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

On 2/12/2012 5:23 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Feb 11, 2012, at 3:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Here's an experiment, take your K5 mount a 200mm or longer lens on 
it put it into live view hold it at arms length and take a few 
pictures.  Then try a 300mm.  Compare your results to using the eye 
level view finder.  Don't tell me you always use a tripod with long 
lenses.  I know you'd be fibbin'.  If you use a monopod the issue is 
worse.  It will be just impossible to use one properly.




What percentage of people who buy entry level DSLRs own lenses over 
200mm?  For that matter, what percentage buy any lenses other than 
the 18-55 (or thereabouts) kit lens that the camera comes with?


This camera isn't  supposed to be the be all end all camera for 
everyone that takes photos.   In most conditions that most people who 
buy one will use it, it should have performance on par with just 
about every APS sensor camera with a list price something like $500 
less than the D7000 or K-5.


I didn't say otherwise.  Tim Bray asked why it was problematic with 
long lenses.  I told him.


Sorry to reply to my own post.  I should have added that I didn't say 
anything bad about the camera.  Except to imply that it puts form, 
(design), ahead of function, and that the design wouldn't be of much 
interest to any photographer who even had realistic dreams of using a 
long lens.







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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Here's an experiment, take your K5 mount a 200mm or longer lens on it 
put it into live view hold it at arms length and take a few pictures.  
Then try a 300mm.  Compare your results to using the eye level view 
finder.  Don't tell me you always use a tripod with long lenses.  I know 
you'd be fibbin'.  If you use a monopod the issue is worse.  It will be 
just impossible to use one properly.


On 2/11/2012 1:22 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

Why do we know that long lenses will be problematic? I must have missed that. -T

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com  wrote:

We've got a pretty good idea how it preforms photographically, the sensor is
in the same family as the K5 the electronic guts of the beast is in all
probability a streamlined version of the K5.  It will make photographs  that
will be compariable to the K5.  Frame rate is 5fps.about like the K7  So
aside from the lack of a viewfinder we know it will preform like a K5.  If
it had a decent EVF it would be worthy of consideration as a complementary
body used with a K5 or K7.  We know, more or less, that long lenses used
with it will be problematic.  Sp there's little enough to discuss except
it's aesthetics.

On 2/10/2012 9:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?


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On 10/02/2012 12:01 PM, Tom C wrote:

It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.
The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?

I'm more bothered by it looking like a pile of Lego blocks...


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-11 Thread William Robb

On 10/02/2012 9:46 PM, Paul Ewins wrote:

Why do you ask? Everyone knows that how a camera looks is way more important 
than how it handles or performs.


Apparently, that is exactly how the K-01s stylist feels about the 
subject too.


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-11 Thread Kenneth Waller

I wonder about the appeal if the outer body was clear ?

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From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

On 10/02/2012 9:46 PM, Paul Ewins wrote:
 Why do you ask? Everyone knows that how a camera looks is way more important 
 than how it handles or performs.

Apparently, that is exactly how the K-01s stylist feels about the 
subject too.

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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-11 Thread John Sessoms
It's one of those 
hold-it-out-at-arms-length-and-focus-using-the-little-TV-screen-on-the-back 
cameras.


Gonna' take a lot of strength in your wrists to hold it up when you add 
the weight of a long lens hanging off the front.



From: Tim Bray


Why do we know that long lenses will be problematic? I must have missed that. -T

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

We've got a pretty good idea how it preforms photographically, the sensor is
in the same family as the K5 the electronic guts of the beast is in all
probability a streamlined version of the K5. ?It will make photographs ?that
will be compariable to the K5. ?Frame rate is 5fps.about like the K7 ?So
aside from the lack of a viewfinder we know it will preform like a K5. ?If
it had a decent EVF it would be worthy of consideration as a complementary
body used with a K5 or K7. ?We know, more or less, that long lenses used
with it will be problematic. ?Sp there's little enough to discuss except
it's aesthetics.

On 2/10/2012 9:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:


Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-11 Thread kwaller


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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Subject: Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics


It's one of those 
hold-it-out-at-arms-length-and-focus-using-the-little-TV-screen-on-the-back 
cameras.


Gonna' take a lot of strength in your wrists to hold it up when you add 
the weight of a long lens hanging off the front.




Great. It'll be another selling point - equipment to build forearm strength 
!




From: Tim Bray

Why do we know that long lenses will be problematic? I must have missed 
that. -T


On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
We've got a pretty good idea how it preforms photographically, the 
sensor is

in the same family as the K5 the electronic guts of the beast is in all
probability a streamlined version of the K5. ?It will make photographs 
?that

will be compariable to the K5. ?Frame rate is 5fps.about like the K7 ?So
aside from the lack of a viewfinder we know it will preform like a K5. 
?If
it had a decent EVF it would be worthy of consideration as a 
complementary

body used with a K5 or K7. ?We know, more or less, that long lenses used
with it will be problematic. ?Sp there's little enough to discuss except
it's aesthetics.

On 2/10/2012 9:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:


Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?



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RE: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-11 Thread Bob W
 
 It's one of those
 hold-it-out-at-arms-length-and-focus-using-the-little-TV-screen-on-the-
 back
 cameras.
 
 Gonna' take a lot of strength in your wrists to hold it up when you add
 the weight of a long lens hanging off the front.
 

I'm sure anyone who'd do that would have plenty of wrist strength...

B
 
 From: Tim Bray
 
  Why do we know that long lenses will be problematic? I must have
 missed that. -T
 
  On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM, P. J. Alling
  webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
  We've got a pretty good idea how it preforms photographically, the
 sensor is
  in the same family as the K5 the electronic guts of the beast is in
 all
  probability a streamlined version of the K5. ?It will make
 photographs ?that
  will be compariable to the K5. ?Frame rate is 5fps.about like the K7
 ?So
  aside from the lack of a viewfinder we know it will preform like a
 K5. ?If
  it had a decent EVF it would be worthy of consideration as a
 complementary
  body used with a K5 or K7. ?We know, more or less, that long lenses
 used
  with it will be problematic. ?Sp there's little enough to discuss
 except
  it's aesthetics.
 
  On 2/10/2012 9:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
 
  Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?
 
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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

 The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
 available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

Its a 16:9 body

Dave

 The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?

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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread P. J. Alling

Maybe the designer started out in web design.

On 2/10/2012 1:01 PM, Tom C wrote:

It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?

Tom C.




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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Darren Addy
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maybe the designer started out in web design.

Harsh, dude, harsh.

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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Tom C caka...@gmail.com:


It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?





The 'K' font is the same as that used on the film K series which, I  
suppose, is some sort of nostalgic hark back to Pentax history.  But I  
agree it doesn't work with the 01 font.


The squashed Pentax is also much the same style as on the film K  
series - it was squashed vertically in those cases because they had to  
fit Asahi above it.





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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

 The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
 available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

At least they spelled it right. In contrast to whoever wrote item #4
in the lens announcement.

http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20120208.html

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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Steven Desjardins
Brian is right:

http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pentax_K2

(It's not that I doubted you, Brian;  I just didn't believe you.)

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

 The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
 available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

 At least they spelled it right. In contrast to whoever wrote item #4
 in the lens announcement.

 http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20120208.html

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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Steven Desjardins
While we're begin nostalgic, here' the MX:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-film-slr-discussion/61218-pentax-mx.html

I think that would make a great retro digital body.  Look how small it
is compared to the k1000:

http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pentax_MX

Oly will make a bunch of money with that new OM-G body and Pentax
could have done the same.  The trick is no to mess with the basics by
sticking in random modern styling elements.  Cotty and I would buy it.


On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Brian is right:

 http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pentax_K2

 (It's not that I doubted you, Brian;  I just didn't believe you.)

 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

 The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
 available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

 At least they spelled it right. In contrast to whoever wrote item #4
 in the lens announcement.

 http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20120208.html

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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:


Brian is right:

http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pentax_K2

(It's not that I doubted you, Brian;  I just didn't believe you.)




That's OK.  I probably have form for posting unsubstantiated suppositions...



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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:


It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.


At least they spelled it right. In contrast to whoever wrote item #4
in the lens announcement.

http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20120208.html

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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread William Robb

On 10/02/2012 12:01 PM, Tom C wrote:

It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?


I'm more bothered by it looking like a pile of Lego blocks...


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?


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Sent: Feb 10, 2012 8:40 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

On 10/02/2012 12:01 PM, Tom C wrote:
 It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

 The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
 available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

 The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?

I'm more bothered by it looking like a pile of Lego blocks...


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Paul Ewins
Why do you ask? Everyone knows that how a camera looks is way more important 
than how it handles or performs.


On 11/02/2012, at 1:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?
 


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread P. J. Alling
We've got a pretty good idea how it preforms photographically, the 
sensor is in the same family as the K5 the electronic guts of the beast 
is in all probability a streamlined version of the K5.  It will make 
photographs  that will be compariable to the K5.  Frame rate is 
5fps.about like the K7  So aside from the lack of a viewfinder we know 
it will preform like a K5.  If it had a decent EVF it would be worthy of 
consideration as a complementary body used with a K5 or K7.  We know, 
more or less, that long lenses used with it will be problematic.  Sp 
there's little enough to discuss except it's aesthetics.


On 2/10/2012 9:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?


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Subject: Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

On 10/02/2012 12:01 PM, Tom C wrote:

It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?

I'm more bothered by it looking like a pile of Lego blocks...


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Of course, the most important considerations are how it handles and performs. 
But all things being equal, I'll take a camera that looks good over an ugly 
camera any day of the week. 

Cheers,
frank

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
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From: Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au
Sent: February 10, 2012 2/10/12
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Why do you ask? Everyone knows that how a camera looks is way more important 
than how it handles or performs.


On 11/02/2012, at 1:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?
 


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Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

2012-02-10 Thread Tim Bray
Why do we know that long lenses will be problematic? I must have missed that. -T

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 We've got a pretty good idea how it preforms photographically, the sensor is
 in the same family as the K5 the electronic guts of the beast is in all
 probability a streamlined version of the K5.  It will make photographs  that
 will be compariable to the K5.  Frame rate is 5fps.about like the K7  So
 aside from the lack of a viewfinder we know it will preform like a K5.  If
 it had a decent EVF it would be worthy of consideration as a complementary
 body used with a K5 or K7.  We know, more or less, that long lenses used
 with it will be problematic.  Sp there's little enough to discuss except
 it's aesthetics.

 On 2/10/2012 9:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Yeah, but how does it perform photographically?


 -Original Message-

 From: William Robbanotherdrunken...@gmail.com
 Sent: Feb 10, 2012 8:40 PM
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 Subject: Re: What Bugs Me Most about the K-01 Aesthetics

 On 10/02/2012 12:01 PM, Tom C wrote:

 It's the weird type styles they used on the body. It looks atrocious.

 The PENTAX badge looks squished vertically to make it fit in the space
 available. Compare it to the PENTAX on the K-5 or other cameras.

 The K-01 label mixes two type styles, and what's up with the goofy 'K'?

 I'm more bothered by it looking like a pile of Lego blocks...


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