Re: Won't wait
Sorry, but I feel I should point out... No matter what link you have to your ISP and how profee is my host, if your big brother won't talk directly to mine your questions and my answers may end up circling the globe twice by means of clogged wires, so there may be issues even if your ISP and my host use faster-than-wombat drives. On old days of radiotalk, there was a mindset that would look for the faintest and most obscure contact, or for those cases of extraordinary access to places by means of usually impossible frequencies. I still suffer from that mindset now and then, and wait a little longer just because I hope (not always get) it's content is worth the wait. Building an audience is part of a human drive - comunication. Some even learn foreign, strange languages to try a longer reach. Not me, I'm lazy... But any effort made to reach out is first that and I would still take the effort into consideration. Of course there is also the content. I really respect your decision and your ideas (even while I disagree). There were lots of galleries I just didn't visit out of little time or being sad or angry, and I will be doing that again every time my time is limited - or I get in a foul enough mood. But on and everyday basis, I wait sometime. Hardly I get disappointed. LF Tim Bray escreveu: The main reason I subscribe, not that I want to disparage the wit & witticisms, nor indeed the hardware lore, is those every-so-often things, you know, with pixels in them. It's like they used to say about Playboy mag: I just read it for the pictures. But: I'm impatient. So whatever your hosting setup is, if I click on the PESO link and the screen on my browser doesn't have a picture on it Pretty Damn Quick, I'm not waiting. For those of you have personal audiences who'll wait for your crippled-wombat-driven server because they're your Mom or boyfriend or grad student or whatever, that's fine, but if you're trying to build an audience (and I acknowledge that many aren't, and that's fine), you just gotta have a snappy server. My time is my most precious commodity. Good hosting is pretty cheap these days. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Won't wait
Ken Waller wrote: - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Won't wait I agree. Most of the web surfers I run into are pretty impatient ... if a site doesn't load pretty quickly, they're off the next and have forgotten about it. A few years back, I attended an indepth demographics survey - very interesting - one of the many things covered was how the time to click a mouse while surfing the web had become a 'time standard' for one group of the younger generation and you would loose their attention if the response to the mouse click wasn't rapid. For web viewing there really in no excuse for excessively large image files. I try to keep my posted images around 100 KB unless a bigger file is required. The general rules (empirically derived from user testing) are: Anything under 0.1 seconds feels "instantaneous" for all practical purposes. 1 second is the maximum time delay allowable that lets the user feel they're sufficiently in control of what's going on. 10 seconds is the limit before it's advisable to display a "progress bar" of some sort. This is Nielsen/Norman research, as usual. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Won't wait
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Won't wait I agree. Most of the web surfers I run into are pretty impatient ... if a site doesn't load pretty quickly, they're off the next and have forgotten about it. A few years back, I attended an indepth demographics survey - very interesting - one of the many things covered was how the time to click a mouse while surfing the web had become a 'time standard' for one group of the younger generation and you would loose their attention if the response to the mouse click wasn't rapid. For web viewing there really in no excuse for excessively large image files. I try to keep my posted images around 100 KB unless a bigger file is required. It's why I try to keep my web images a reasonable size when I post simple JPEGs for the PESOs, i keep my website pages small. It's why I use flickr.com ... despite other shortcomings, I find it loads pretty fast, reliably. (BTW, there's a nice little flickr browsing app for the iPhone/iPod Touch that makes it even nicer to wander through a gallery of photos. "Klick" ... I believe it's free.) It's not just a matter of hosting and fast servers. The whole system has to be tuned to obtain good performance. Godfrey On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Tim Bray wrote: The main reason I subscribe, not that I want to disparage the wit & witticisms, nor indeed the hardware lore, is those every-so-often things, you know, with pixels in them. It's like they used to say about Playboy mag: I just read it for the pictures. But: I'm impatient. So whatever your hosting setup is, if I click on the PESO link and the screen on my browser doesn't have a picture on it Pretty Damn Quick, I'm not waiting. For those of you have personal audiences who'll wait for your crippled-wombat-driven server because they're your Mom or boyfriend or grad student or whatever, that's fine, but if you're trying to build an audience (and I acknowledge that many aren't, and that's fine), you just gotta have a snappy server. My time is my most precious commodity. Good hosting is pretty cheap these days. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Won't wait
I agree. Most of the web surfers I run into are pretty impatient ... if a site doesn't load pretty quickly, they're off the next and have forgotten about it. It's why I try to keep my web images a reasonable size when I post simple JPEGs for the PESOs, i keep my website pages small. It's why I use flickr.com ... despite other shortcomings, I find it loads pretty fast, reliably. (BTW, there's a nice little flickr browsing app for the iPhone/iPod Touch that makes it even nicer to wander through a gallery of photos. "Klick" ... I believe it's free.) It's not just a matter of hosting and fast servers. The whole system has to be tuned to obtain good performance. Godfrey On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Tim Bray wrote: The main reason I subscribe, not that I want to disparage the wit & witticisms, nor indeed the hardware lore, is those every-so-often things, you know, with pixels in them. It's like they used to say about Playboy mag: I just read it for the pictures. But: I'm impatient. So whatever your hosting setup is, if I click on the PESO link and the screen on my browser doesn't have a picture on it Pretty Damn Quick, I'm not waiting. For those of you have personal audiences who'll wait for your crippled-wombat-driven server because they're your Mom or boyfriend or grad student or whatever, that's fine, but if you're trying to build an audience (and I acknowledge that many aren't, and that's fine), you just gotta have a snappy server. My time is my most precious commodity. Good hosting is pretty cheap these days. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Won't wait
- Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" Subject: Won't wait > For those of you have personal > audiences who'll wait for your crippled-wombat-driven server This sounds like Photonet on a good day. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Won't wait
But: I'm impatient. So whatever your hosting setup is, if I click on the PESO link and the screen on my browser doesn't have a picture on it Pretty Damn Quick, I'm not waiting. For those of you have personal audiences who'll wait for your crippled-wombat-driven server because they're your Mom or boyfriend or grad student or whatever, that's fine, but if you're trying to build an audience (and I acknowledge that many aren't, and that's fine), you just gotta have a snappy server. My time is my most precious commodity. I'm pretty much the same way, though if it's from someone whose work I generally like I will sometimes let it load in the browser while I read more posts. Slow servers drive me bonkers, though, and there are some PDMLers whose sites take forever and a half to load up all the junk on the page before the actual image shows up. I should note, I hope I'm not one of them. I know my PHP-based gallery can be a little slow sometimes (shared hosting drawback), but when I post a link to a blog post with a photo in it, the photos seem to come up pretty quick for me (even on other people's computers). There are surveys that have shown that internet users are very impatient, so I always aim for quick-loading pages. Sometimes it's hard to tell if I have achieved this without user feedback. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
