Re: ist-DL2 press release
Yes, it is great. Pentax has maximized their investment in the D by releasing a number of variants intended to boost sales. Or would you prefer they just lose money on every camera they develop? This is a company playing catching up, and they're playing it smart. They'll probably never reach the frontrunners, but if they can remain a few steps behind and develop some new pieces, I'll be happy. Those who will not be happy should got to a maker who can make them happy. It's really quite simple. Paul On Jan 28, 2006, at 12:26 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Pentax seams to be suffering from a severe case of DSLR development constipation. Best hope is that their cosmetic tweakings are designed to entice followers to stay in line until roll-out of an upgrade. In my case, it's still working. I'm very curious, but not in that much of a hurry. Jack --- David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ist-DL2 press release
All the D variants seem to be more different from the D than from each other, so far... David Mann wrote: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
P. J. Alling wrote: All the D variants seem to be more different from the D than from each other, so far... Doesn't that mean they're DS variants, not D variants? I wondered that before, but since I'm familiar only with the D, not the others, I am only going on having read that the others all use the same storage media and have the same number of control dials -- both features being different from the D. ERN
Re: ist-DL2 press release
I have a D and a DS, (broke my own rule about backups having identical interfaces, it can be quite annoying). I haven't seen a DS2 but I've seen and handled a DL, the DL is clearly a DS with fewer features, (even it's LCD is probably plug compatible with the electronics in the DS), the D obviously has a different frame and body shell, and many differences, though probably minor as the photo assistant software can control it and the DS, in electronics. E.R.N. Reed wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: All the D variants seem to be more different from the D than from each other, so far... Doesn't that mean they're DS variants, not D variants? I wondered that before, but since I'm familiar only with the D, not the others, I am only going on having read that the others all use the same storage media and have the same number of control dials -- both features being different from the D. ERN -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Anyone.. I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? I'd appreciate a referral..in English please. =) Thanks, Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Never mind..but thanks anyway. I just checked dpreview.com again. Only going to be available in Asia and Canada? Jack --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone.. I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? I'd appreciate a referral..in English please. =) Thanks, Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp Jack Davis wrote: Anyone.. I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? I'd appreciate a referral..in English please. =) Thanks, Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Jack Davis wrote: I likely missed it, but have the DL2 announcements identified a sensor change No. or otherwise noteworthy operational advancements? Digital preview (= mirror up, shutter open, shoot, playback on screen) with single operation (= by keeping the preview lever pushed). This as an alternative (menu choice) to usual optical preview (= stop down aperture to estimate depth of field in the viewfinder). 5-segment AF instead of 3 of the *istDL. I bet it's just a lesser disablement of AF points compared to the 11-segment original type. Dario
Re: ist-DL2 press release
I was thinking the GX-1S as a *istDS2 (S=S) and the GX-1L as a *istDL2 (L=L). Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp
Re: ist-DL2 press release
You would think so but according to what I've read so far they had to be different... Dario Bonazza wrote: I was thinking the GX-1S as a *istDS2 (S=S) and the GX-1L as a *istDL2 (L=L). Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
Sorry P.J., you're wrong. This is the Samsung GX-1S, and it's definitely the *istDS2. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp This is the information about the GX-1L (with a misleading picture), and it is the *istDL2 http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/31/28.htm (you understand that by the 5-point AF.) So the S is the S and the L is the L. Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release You would think so but according to what I've read so far they had to be different... Dario Bonazza wrote: I was thinking the GX-1S as a *istDS2 (S=S) and the GX-1L as a *istDL2 (L=L). Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL... You can read about the GX-1L at DP Review http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
I was under the impression that the GX-S1 is a rebadged *istDS2. This is confirmed by the German photoscala site that writes: Neben dem Topmodell GX-1S führt Samsung zum Start in die Welt der digitalen Spiegelreflexfotografie mit der GX-1L eine zweite Kamera ein, die mit einem unschlagbar guten Preis-/Leistungsverhältnis... and in the GX- S1 story: Ähnlichkeiten zur *ist Ds2 sind also nicht rein zufällig. http://www.photoscala.de/node/view/1464 The GX-S1 is the top model that's based on the *istDS2 and the GX-1L is a budget model similar to the *istDL, although this has the improved 5 point autofocus of the DL2, but not the live preview, as far as I've been able to judge. Digitalkamera.de wites on the *istDL2: mit der Vorstellung der neuen Pentax-DSLR dürfte auch die Frage geklärt sein, auf welcher Pentax- Kamera die kürzlich vorgestellte Samsung GX-1L (siehe entsprechende digitalkamera.de-Meldung unter den weiterführenden Links) genau basiert. That is, they ask what the second Samsung is based on. They also note that this has a different view finder from the others: Die Bildfeldabdeckung von 96 Prozent und die 0,85-fache Sucherbildvergrößerung findet man bei keiner anderen Samsung- oder Pentax-DSLR wieder. The linked DP Review covers the GX-1S – not the 1L. This I4U note mentions both – http://www.i4u.com/article4951.html – but the linked articles in LetsGoDigital are both about the GX-1S! This is all rather confusing so far, but I guss we will learn more in due time. Not so far, though the rumored Samsung GX-1L supposedly had a 9mp sensor, but that now seems to be a rebadged *ist-Ds2 while the GX-1S is a rebadged *ist-DL...
Re: ist-DL2 press release
They upgraded the DL a bit... Maybe the DL is being dropped from the line up. So when the D2 is released everything will have a 2 in it's name. Thibouille wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html Have fun! -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ... -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: ist-DL2 press release
This one time, at band camp, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html No anti-shake? Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: ist-DL2 press release
No. Dario - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release This one time, at band camp, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html No anti-shake? Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: ist-DL2 press release
This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Paul On Jan 27, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No. Dario - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: ist-DL2 press release This one time, at band camp, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200603.html No anti-shake? Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: ist-DL2 press release
On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave
Re: ist-DL2 press release
In a message dated 1/27/2006 9:28:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jan 28, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: This is just buzz marketing. It's a new version of the DL, a minor upgrade meant to stimulate sales. It's nothing to get excited about, and it's nothing to wring one's hands over. The sky isn't falling. Oh great, yet another *ist-D variant that's hardly any different from the others. - Dave Yeah, even Canon, which a PDML Pentaxian has pointed out to me, which does upgrades all the time, in about six months cycles, to get the poor hapless photographer to fork out more cash, hasn't seemed to rework essentially the same body as much as this. How's that for a run on sentence? Marnie aka Doe ;-)
