Re: yet another Lightroom question
On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:05, Henk Terhell wrote: > > In LR I see so far no easy way to do thisin the same folder and upon > saving the JPG it is hard to find back the folder in which the DNG > file > is located. I'm just starting to get the hang of Lightroom myself, but I think one thing you need to get used to is the idea that Lightroom doesn't save your JPEG results anywhere in particular. When you make an edit/ develop a RAW file, all you are really doing is entering the EDITS into a database. The RAW file sits there, untouched. When you decide to share this JPEG file with someone out there - either by copying the JPEG out, or creating a slide show, or by setting something up on the Web - that's when the file is "exported" and all of the changes you want to have happen to the file are applied. You don't really need to save the JPEG anywhere unless you're going to share it with someone. Otherwise, the Lightroom database has a list of the changes required to convert the original file to one that looks like what you want it to look like. Also - if you want to know where a file is located, there is a panel on the right-hand side with all of the metadata - one of them is the folder name where the original file is located - if you click on that, it shows you where that folder is in the "Folders" tree on the left- hand side. Right-clicking (or Ctrl-clicking on the Mac) that folder lets you choose, among other options, to "show in Finder" (and, I'll wager, "Show in Explorer" on Windows) where the file lives in your directories/folders. > But no doubt I'm still on > the bottom of the learning curve here. > I agree that there is tons to learn to use it properly. I've been "playing around" with it for the past week and I've just barely scratched the surface. There are a number of tutorials out there which are worth watching/reading to get the basics in hand. I am starting to really like it. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
Op Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:42:57 +0200 schreef Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:05, Henk Terhell wrote: > > I agree that there is tons to learn to use it properly. I've been > "playing around" with it for the past week and I've just barely > scratched the surface. There are a number of tutorials out there > which are worth watching/reading to get the basics in hand. I'm in the same boat: would you have any links to recommended reading? And, while more or less on the subject, is there a way to edit 'maker notes', especially lens name in the exif? If a shot is by an 'A series lens' with SR set to 50, I know which one it is. I'd like to store that info in the exif... > I am starting to really like it. Definately. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And, while more or less on the subject, is there a way to edit 'maker > notes', especially lens name in the exif? If a shot is by an 'A series > lens' with SR set to 50, I know which one it is. I'd like to store that > info in the exif... > No, but you can add IPTC tags with the info in question. EXIF is for camera-added data, IPTC is for the rest (including copyright & all that jazz) -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
I've never used it but this says you can use it to edit EXIF information. http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphic/Digital-Photo-Tools/EXIFeditor.shtml I'm not sure but the lens name may be stored as a code of some type which would be used in conjunction with a Lookup table to display human readable information,. I know that none of the RAW converters I use, except for the Pentax Photo Browser/Photo Lab combination seem to be able to tell me the lens name. If there's no code you won't be able to update that field to display anything meaningful. Adam Maas wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> And, while more or less on the subject, is there a way to edit 'maker >> notes', especially lens name in the exif? If a shot is by an 'A series >> lens' with SR set to 50, I know which one it is. I'd like to store that >> info in the exif... >> >> > > No, but you can add IPTC tags with the info in question. EXIF is for > camera-added data, IPTC is for the rest (including copyright & all > that jazz) > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
Op Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:36:27 +0200 schreef Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> And, while more or less on the subject, is there a way to edit 'maker >> notes', especially lens name in the exif? If a shot is by an 'A series >> lens' with SR set to 50, I know which one it is. I'd like to store that >> info in the exif... > > No, but you can add IPTC tags with the info in question. EXIF is for > camera-added data, IPTC is for the rest (including copyright & all > that jazz) Ah, o.k. There appear to be some tools around to edit EXIF, but they didn't work on the 'maker notes'. Thanks for the clarification. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
On Apr 9, 2008, at 12:36, Lucas Rijnders wrote: > Op Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:42:57 +0200 schreef Charles Robinson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:05, Henk Terhell wrote: >> >> I agree that there is tons to learn to use it properly. I've been >> "playing around" with it for the past week and I've just barely >> scratched the surface. There are a number of tutorials out there >> which are worth watching/reading to get the basics in hand. > > I'm in the same boat: would you have any links to recommended reading? > I don't know if it's "recommended" because I haven't evaluated all of their stuff yet, but this is a good start: http://www.photoshopsupport.com/lightroom/tutorials.html I believe that Adobe has video tutorials on their website as well. I also downloaded an EBook with some good "get yourself oriented" information. There is a PDF from Adobe called: "Lightroom - Getting Started" which isn't too bad. > And, while more or less on the subject, is there a way to edit 'maker > notes', especially lens name in the exif? If a shot is by an 'A series > lens' with SR set to 50, I know which one it is. I'd like to store > that > info in the exif... > That would be nice. I don't think that information is editable - although I could be wrong! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And, while more or less on the subject, is there a way to edit 'maker > notes', especially lens name in the exif? If a shot is by an 'A series > lens' with SR set to 50, I know which one it is. I'd like to store that > info in the exif... What I've seen in tools like PhotoME is that the "lens type" maker note is just a number, and the software then has to look up that number in its own list of lenses. It's *not* stored in the EXIF as a text string like "PENTAX FA 50mm f/1.4". Sometimes when I've gotten a new (modern) lens, I've had to let software authors know that a certain number corresponds to a certain lens. My guess is that there's no way to modify the EXIF to indicate an old "A" lens, because those lenses were never assigned an ID number. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: yet another Lightroom question
Charles answered Henk's original question on point. Summarizing, Lightroom does not create a JPEG, TIFF or PSD rendering of a RAW file with your edits until you tell it to explicitly with the Export function or implicitly with the "edit in photoshop... or "edit in " commands. (When you use these two commands, it creates a rendering in TIFF or PSD format alongside the original RAW file on disk, and this rendering is automatically entered into the catalog as well). In normal operation when you're using Lightroom to manipulate cropping, tonality, etc, it records your editing instructions in its catalog (and optionally in metadata either as an XMP sidecar file or into a DNG file directly) and renders the file as you have edited it on the fly for viewing and display. You can immediately get to any file that you see in the Library module using the "Show In Finder [Windows Explorer]" commands ... but in essence, you really shouldn't have to do that very often at all. It will create a JPEG/DNG/TIFF/PSD rendered file on demand via the Export function and place it anywhere you want to store it. My workflow places files that I import into a directory tree rooted as "work-in-progress", files that I export are organized into a directory tree rooted as "completed-images". Subdirectories tagged with project number, date and event, etc, are in both of these trees. The flow of work goes from card to "work in progress" to "completed images" after I'm done with them, if I need to export them. My working catalog contains only "work in progress" directory tree, I maintain a second catalog which imports only the "completed images" directory tree. I've found this to be an efficient organizational model for how to coordinate and store files and keep what I'm working on separate from what I've completed in the file system. From: Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And, while more or less on the subject, is there a way to edit 'maker > notes', especially lens name in the exif? If a shot is by an 'A series > lens' with SR set to 50, I know which one it is. I'd like to store > that > info in the exif... ... > There appear to be some tools around to edit EXIF, but they didn't > work on > the 'maker notes'. From: Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What I've seen in tools like PhotoME is that the "lens type" maker > note is just a number, and the software then has to look up that > number in its own list of lenses. It's *not* stored in the EXIF as a > text string like "PENTAX FA 50mm f/1.4". Sometimes when I've gotten a > new (modern) lens, I've had to let software authors know that a > certain number corresponds to a certain lens. > > My guess is that there's no way to modify the EXIF to indicate an old > "A" lens, because those lenses were never assigned an ID number. Yes. If you want to look at EXIF metadata, the tool you want to analyze and manipulate EXIF information is EXIFtool by Phil Harvey: http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/ This is a command line tool with extensive ability to read and edit EXIF data in a huge range of file types, including RAW file types. Be aware that manipulating the lens codes and other private maker data can be a little tricky and often doesn't give you want you want. I normally use the tool to read the data for analysis, not to edit it. As Matthew said, you can't put in lens data for lenses that never had it such that Lightroom will recognize it. Lightroom recognizes all Pentax lenses properly now, far as I can tell, given the data that is available. Learning and reference resources for Lightroom continue to grow, any list posted is quickly outdated with new ones. I strongly recommend people work with the video tutorials available at Adobe and Luminous- Landscape.com, and a few others. Adobe's tutorial videos are at http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/video_workshop/ Very well done stuff. There're also the news and blogs sites, which each have a bazillion other links to spin off from: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/ http://lightroom-news.com/ The books by Martin Evening, Scott Kelby and others have all been good, do a search on Amazon.com for current titles. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
Op Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:57:57 +0200 schreef Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > it such that Lightroom will recognize it. Lightroom recognizes all > Pentax lenses properly now, far as I can tell, given the data that is > available. I obviously use another class of lenses than you do: My SMC Pentax-FA 1:4,7-5,6 80-200 reports as SMC Pentax-F 1:4,7-5,6 80-200. I'll try to make adobe aware of this small glitch. Thanks everyone for the usefull information. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
On Apr 9, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote: >> it such that Lightroom will recognize it. Lightroom recognizes all >> Pentax lenses properly now, far as I can tell, given the data that is >> available. > > I obviously use another class of lenses than you do: My SMC Pentax-FA > 1:4,7-5,6 80-200 reports as SMC Pentax-F 1:4,7-5,6 80-200. > > I'll try to make adobe aware of this small glitch. lol ... Yes indeed, I don't own nor have I tested all Pentax lenses for their metadata description! ;-) All the ones I've owned and used are reflected correctly in Lightroom's metadata browser. There's always some question as to whether the metadata is correct vs whether Lightroom is interpreting it correctly. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: yet another Lightroom question
Thanks Charles and Godfrey. It is clear that it will need a different file structure as I'm used to with Elements by just keeping both DNG and JPG in the same folder. Henk > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi > Sent: woensdag 9 april 2008 20:58 > To: PDML List > Subject: re: yet another Lightroom question > > > Charles answered Henk's original question on point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
Lightroom can do that but it's not the best way to organize things IMO. Godfrey On Apr 9, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Henk Terhell wrote: > Thanks Charles and Godfrey. It is clear that it will need a different > file structure as I'm used to with Elements by just keeping both > DNG and > JPG in the same folder. > > Henk > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi >> Sent: woensdag 9 april 2008 20:58 >> To: PDML List >> Subject: re: yet another Lightroom question >> >> >> Charles answered Henk's original question on point. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
On Apr 9, 2008, at 15:55, Henk Terhell wrote: > Thanks Charles and Godfrey. It is clear that it will need a different > file structure as I'm used to with Elements by just keeping both DNG > and > JPG in the same folder. > I have a directory structure where my "just imported from the camera" files go, and I never ever write anything back into that directory. Those are my "negatives". Then, when those get too full I write 'em off to DVD and a disk image out on a harddrive. Output/conversion/edited/whatever files go anywhere else... -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
I have LR but not as a replacement for any PS programs. It serves a very good purpose for some of my jpgs that have tricky WB problems, but PS is still my main edit program I am very happy with LR for the over all general edits it does. I have not tried the new beta version, which i think address some of the edit issues, but Godders is trying it out. I'm sure i owe him more than 1 coffee for all his help:-) Dave On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also I'm trying out now Lightroom as possible replacement of Elements on > my new PC. In Elements I used to store my converted (exported) JPG's > along with the DNG files in the same folder. I am used to identify > folders based on subject and subfolders by date taken. Elements does > import from card folders by date and also saves the converted JPG by > default in the same folder unless you select to save for web w/o EXIF. > In LR I see so far no easy way to do thisin the same folder and upon > saving the JPG it is hard to find back the folder in which the DNG file > is located. Another point is that in Elements the JPG file size can be > set before saving, or the file size is indicated for the selected > percentage of original, which I haven't figure out how to do in LR. > Although LR has more handles in adjusting RAW's, I find Elements > conversion menu easier to access than LR develop menu, as there is no > need for scrolling on my 1024 by 768 screen. But no doubt I'm still on > the bottom of the learning curve here. > > Henk > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
Matthew Hunt wrote: > My guess is that there's no way to modify the EXIF to indicate an old > "A" lens, because those lenses were never assigned an ID number. Or there might be a single number amongst them that means "aaah, it's an old 'A' lens, bah!". :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: yet another Lightroom question
Lucas Rijnders wrote: > There appear to be some tools around to edit EXIF, but they didn't work on > the 'maker notes'. That's largely due to the "private" nature of the MakerNote tag data and the nature of the way that TIFF/RAW files are organized. The manufacturers usually don't publish their MakerNote format, and it often changes gratuitously from camera to camera. Plus, some programs and devices that write RAW photo files don't follow the standard for storing location references for data in other parts of the file, so doing anything that changes the size of the MakerNote data, or pretty much anything in the EXIF tags for those files, screws them up, often irretrievably. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yet another LightRoom question (YaLRQ :-) )
Create a collection and put in it all those you've initially selected. Award each photo one star. Put a filter on the collection so that it shows just those photos which have one star. As you review each picture either remove the star, or give it another star. When you've completed the first round, change the filter to 2 stars. Repeat until you have the right number of photos, or run out of stars. B On 22 Aug 2013, at 06:03, Boris Liberman wrote: > Galia's approaching the age of 12 also known as bat mitzvah. I have order of > 10k pictures of her that I have to look at and choose those that we will > print in her celebrational album. > > Now, I have my filter that readily produces me these 10k photos to look at. > But is there a way in which I can put a bookmark of some sort so as to mark a > photo at which I stopped last time? Of course I can use color flags or other > things. But I need it so that I can easily return to it without spoiling the > set of photos that is being shown to me via the filter. > > The LR in question is 4.4. > > Thanks in advance. > > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yet another LightRoom question (YaLRQ :-) )
Great idea, Bob! Thanks! On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Bob W wrote: > Create a collection and put in it all those you've initially selected. > > Award each photo one star. > > Put a filter on the collection so that it shows just those photos which have > one star. > > As you review each picture either remove the star, or give it another star. > > When you've completed the first round, change the filter to 2 stars. > > Repeat until you have the right number of photos, or run out of stars. > > B > > On 22 Aug 2013, at 06:03, Boris Liberman wrote: > >> Galia's approaching the age of 12 also known as bat mitzvah. I have order of >> 10k pictures of her that I have to look at and choose those that we will >> print in her celebrational album. >> >> Now, I have my filter that readily produces me these 10k photos to look at. >> But is there a way in which I can put a bookmark of some sort so as to mark >> a photo at which I stopped last time? Of course I can use color flags or >> other things. But I need it so that I can easily return to it without >> spoiling the set of photos that is being shown to me via the filter. >> >> The LR in question is 4.4. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Boris >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yet another LightRoom question (YaLRQ :-) )
Alternative solution: When you end a session, then Select all those you've looked at. Keyword as Reviewed. Every time you resume, use the same filter and ordering to pull your 10k photos, then filter that set on the Keyword "Reviewed." The last picture in the new set will be the last picture you looked at in your previous session. Select it, return to the previous broader filters, and proceed to screen until your eyes cross from fatigue. stan On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:52 AM, Bob W wrote: > Create a collection and put in it all those you've initially selected. > > Award each photo one star. > > Put a filter on the collection so that it shows just those photos which have > one star. > > As you review each picture either remove the star, or give it another star. > > When you've completed the first round, change the filter to 2 stars. > > Repeat until you have the right number of photos, or run out of stars. > > B > > On 22 Aug 2013, at 06:03, Boris Liberman wrote: > >> Galia's approaching the age of 12 also known as bat mitzvah. I have order of >> 10k pictures of her that I have to look at and choose those that we will >> print in her celebrational album. >> >> Now, I have my filter that readily produces me these 10k photos to look at. >> But is there a way in which I can put a bookmark of some sort so as to mark >> a photo at which I stopped last time? Of course I can use color flags or >> other things. But I need it so that I can easily return to it without >> spoiling the set of photos that is being shown to me via the filter. >> >> The LR in question is 4.4. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Boris >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.