Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:25 PM John  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQS4S3vgGA
>
> On 1/19/2021 17:11:13, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRVUe2Ha6dg
> >
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> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ken Waller  wrote:
> >
> >> A commando .
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >>> From: John 
> >>> Sent: Jan 19, 2021 1:52 PM
> >>> To: pdml@pdml.net
> >>> Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography
> >>>
> >>> On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:
> >>>>> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in
> >> most areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are
> competing
> >> for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it.
> Amazingly,
> >> most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed
> for
> >> wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so
> I
> >> now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on
> >> Sundays.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alan C
> >>>>
> >>>> So you go to church in your underwear?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do
> >> you call
> >>> a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
> >>>
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Hang in there, Dan. I think we are all suffering from a bit of that at 
the moment.


Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 09:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Maui, most men wear shorts and sandals to church.
I was supposed to be in Maui for our annual winter visit by now, but
because of the Damn COVID pandemic and the slow roll-out of the vaccines,
we had to cancel.
I am quite depressed.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:44 PM Alan C  wrote:


No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most
areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it.
Amazingly, most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I
was slammed for wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple
of years ago so I now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year
round) a rest on Sundays.

Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 06:46 PM, Bill wrote:

On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era,
through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in
church and
at the opera, as well as on the streets.


Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and
the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their
standards.

bill



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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[John]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQS4S3vgGA

On 1/19/2021 17:11:13, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRVUe2Ha6dg

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ken Waller  wrote:


A commando .


-Original Message-

From: John 
Sent: Jan 19, 2021 1:52 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography

On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:

On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in

most areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly,
most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for
wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I
now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on
Sundays.


Alan C


So you go to church in your underwear?




If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do

you call

a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?


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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Ken Waller]

A commando . 


-Original Message-
>From: John 
>Sent: Jan 19, 2021 1:52 PM
>To: pdml@pdml.net
>Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography
>
>On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:
>>> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
>>>
>>> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most 
>>> areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for 
>>> a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, 
>>> most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for 
>>> wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I 
>>> now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on 
>>> Sundays.
>>>
>>> Alan C
>> 
>> So you go to church in your underwear?
>> 
>> 
>
>If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do you 
>call 
>a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
>
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Bill]

On Tue., Jan. 19, 2021, 12:52 p.m. John,  wrote:

>
>
> If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do
> you call
> a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
>

Scottish.

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Re: OT 1890's street photography

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ken Waller  wrote:

> A commando .
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: John 
> >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 1:52 PM
> >To: pdml@pdml.net
> >Subject: Re: OT 1890's street photography
> >
> >On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:
> >>> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in
> most areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
> for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly,
> most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for
> wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I
> now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on
> Sundays.
> >>>
> >>> Alan C
> >>
> >> So you go to church in your underwear?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do
> you call
> >a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?
> >
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Maui, most men wear shorts and sandals to church.
I was supposed to be in Maui for our annual winter visit by now, but
because of the Damn COVID pandemic and the slow roll-out of the vaccines,
we had to cancel.
I am quite depressed.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:44 PM Alan C  wrote:

> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most
> areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing
> for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it.
> Amazingly, most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I
> was slammed for wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple
> of years ago so I now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year
> round) a rest on Sundays.
>
> Alan C
>
> On 19-Jan-21 06:46 PM, Bill wrote:
> > On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >> I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era,
> >> through
> >> the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in
> >> church and
> >> at the opera, as well as on the streets.
> >>
> >
> > Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and
> > the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their
> > standards.
> >
> > bill
> >
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Those too!

Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 07:48 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:

On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most areas 
in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for a 
mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, most 
people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for wearing 
shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I now give my 
shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on Sundays.

Alan C

So you go to church in your underwear?





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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[John]

On 1/19/2021 12:48:32, Bob Pdml wrote:

On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most areas 
in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for a 
mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, most 
people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for wearing 
shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I now give my 
shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on Sundays.

Alan C


So you go to church in your underwear?




If boxers wear boxer shorts and Jockey's wear jockey shorts ... what do you call 
a guy who doesn't wear any shorts?



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Re: OT 1890's street photography

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> On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:44, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most areas 
> in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing for a 
> mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. Amazingly, most 
> people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I was slammed for wearing 
> shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple of years ago so I now give my 
> shorts (which I normally wear all the year round) a rest on Sundays.
> 
> Alan C

So you go to church in your underwear?


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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

No, I disagree. There has been a general descent to the gutter in most 
areas in the last 50 years. It almost seems as if people are competing 
for a mega-slob gold medal. Churches just had to put up with it. 
Amazingly, most people's hearts are still in the right place. FWIW, I 
was slammed for wearing shorts to Church on a hot summer's day a couple 
of years ago so I now give my shorts (which I normally wear all the year 
round) a rest on Sundays.


Alan C

On 19-Jan-21 06:46 PM, Bill wrote:

On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era, 
through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in 
church and

at the opera, as well as on the streets.



Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and 
the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their 
standards.


bill




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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Bill]

On 1/18/2021 9:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era, through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in church and
at the opera, as well as on the streets.



Churches and operas and the like are desperate enough for patrons and 
the money they bring with them that they have had to lower their standards.


bill

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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Ken Waller]

You can have my cars when you tear those keys out of my cold dead hands - VBG.


-Original Message-
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>
>That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
>back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
>get rid of cars.
>
>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
>> register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of 
>> horse dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make 
>> for a pretty picture but life was difficult.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fascinating. 
>>> 
>>> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
>>> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
>>> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
>>> space which cars now dominate.
>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>>>> 
>>>> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
>>>> 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I'm always amazed at how everyone got all dressed up in that era, through
the 1950s.  Today, t-shirts, shorts, and sandals are accepted in church and
at the opera, as well as on the streets.

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> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>
> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Paul Stenquist]

Of course not. But cars will always be needed in more rural areas. Of course 
they can and will be electric for the most part. 

Paul

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:00 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
> back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
> get rid of cars.
> 
>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
>> register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of 
>> horse dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make 
>> for a pretty picture but life was difficult.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
 On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fascinating. 
>>> 
>>> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
>>> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
>>> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
>>> space which cars now dominate.
>>> 
> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
 
 The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
 
 https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
 
 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Of course the real problem is overpopulation - from 1.5b in 1890 to 7.8b 
today - a five-fold increase in 130 years. Perfect for pandemics.


Alan C

On 18-Jan-21 02:59 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:

That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
get rid of cars.


On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of horse 
dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make for a 
pretty picture but life was difficult.

Paul


On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:

Fascinating.

Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful the 
towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street furniture 
they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public space which 
cars now dominate.


On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:

The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool

https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/


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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Bob Pdml]

That’s correct, but we can have sewers without cars and we don’t have to go 
back to horses. We don’t have to throw all improvements overboard in order to 
get rid of cars.

> On 18 Jan 2021, at 12:24, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
> register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of 
> horse dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make 
> for a pretty picture but life was difficult.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> Fascinating. 
>> 
>> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
>> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
>> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
>> space which cars now dominate.
>> 
 On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>>> 
>>> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
>>> 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Paul Stenquist]

I agree: Nineteenth century photos are charming. Of course what doesn’t 
register is the raw sewage coursing through the streets, the mountains of horse 
dung and the accompanying smells and health issues. Those times make for a 
pretty picture but life was difficult.

Paul

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Fascinating. 
> 
> Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful 
> the towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street 
> furniture they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public 
> space which cars now dominate.
> 
>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
>> 
>> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
>> 
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Bob Pdml]

Fascinating. 

Whenever I see photos from that period I can’t help noticing how beautiful the 
towns look without motor vehicles and all the accompanying street furniture 
they bring with them, and also how people make use of the public space which 
cars now dominate.

> On 18 Jan 2021, at 08:07, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool
> 
> https://mymodernmet.com/carl-stormer-hidden-camera-photography/
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Re: OT 1890's street photography

[Alan C]

Cool indeed! It seems many of the subjects acknowledged (were aware of) 
the photographer but had no idea they were being photographed. 
"Un-bustable Carl"?


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The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool

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OT 1890's street photography

[Larry Colen]

The URL pretty much says it, but the photos are cool

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OT: Street Photography in B/W

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://photzy.com/14-excellent-examples-of-street-photography-in-black-and-white


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Re: Who Says Old-Fashioned Street Photography Is Dead? - The New York Times

[John]

The article says it's Fuji FP-100c, which is out of production, so he's using it 
while it lasts ...  'every shot he takes “will be one shot less in the world.” '



On 4/11/2019 09:29:42, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

A Crown Graphic with Polaroid film?  That really IS "old fashioned."

Then again, In February, I was photographed by a Polaroid photographer in
San Jose, CA.  

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:13 AM Eric Weir  wrote:




https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/style/street-photographer-jean-andre-antoine.html




I also noticed at the bottom of the page there's an obit for Charles Van Doren:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/obituaries/charles-van-doren-dead.html?fallback=0&recId=1Jj7fGtpSUa1hSiBxNv66t9c455&locked=0&geoContinent=NA&geoRegion=NC&recAlloc=story&geoCountry=US&blockId=home-featured&imp_id=415780116&action=click&module=editorsPicks&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer

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Re: Who Says Old-Fashioned Street Photography Is Dead? - The New York Times

[Daniel J. Matyola]

A Crown Graphic with Polaroid film?  That really IS "old fashioned."

Then again, In February, I was photographed by a Polaroid photographer in
San Jose, CA.  

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>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/style/street-photographer-jean-andre-antoine.html
>
> 
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Who Says Old-Fashioned Street Photography Is Dead? - The New York Times

[Eric Weir]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/style/street-photographer-jean-andre-antoine.html


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OT: street photography overdone?

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https://petapixel.com/2017/03/20/street-photography-killing/

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Street photography enablement.

[Bipin Gupta]

The Great Masters of Street Photography like Robert Doisneau, Sam
Leiter, Henri Cartier Bresson, George Rodger, William Vandivert, Maria
Eisner etc, all shot with cameras that are considered so primitive
compared with today's gear.

So saying that the K-1 is better or the K-3 or the K-70 is just plain
semantics & a non issue

See some of the period photos here - of mind boggling artistic
interest & quality:-

http://www.streetphotographyintheworld.com/category/masters-of-street-photography-by-carlo-traina/

For the last 28 years I have been quite comfortable at Street
Photography with a Rolleiflex F TLR, a Leica R-5 SLR, a high end Canon
P&S, & more recently the K-5 IIs.

Any camera with a decent wide angle lens is great for Street
Photography - the smaller the better.

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RE: Street photography enablement.

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Larry Colen wrote:

>Paul via phone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than
>the k1 anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode.
>
>I have not found that to be the case. Whether shooting automobiles, 
>athletes or critters, the K-1 locks focus quickly and consistently, 
>particularly with the 150-450. The K-3 is at least a step behind.
>Buffer size is the only minus, but shooting singles or short and 
>infrequent bursts is my workaround.

That's a trade-off I've found, I don't know where he falls on that balance. 
 Both reach and buffer size are alleviated by shooting in crop mode. Does
anyone on the list have a k70?


Interesting comments.

I'm happy in most respects for using the K3 & 55-300mm for horse events. Why
I'd prefer the K1 & DFA 150-450, apart from the extra megapixels, doesn't
really trouble me about capturing movement - it's light. The K1 performs
better at higher ISO, and some of the venues I go to, particularly in the
morning, can be bright sunshine on one side and really dark on the other.
They are often held in large indoor schools (although one side is often
without a wall, just roof supports) and photography is only often allowed
from one side, and of course often the side furthest from the action.

When taking pictures of horses in fields, even running around at speed, I'm
usually using a tripod, or leaning on a bale of something. The K3 is fine
for that and the reach of a crop sensor does me a favour.

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Re: Street photography enablement.

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On December 3, 2016 10:16:38 AM PST, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than
>the k1 anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode.
>
>I have not found that to be the case. Whether shooting automobiles,
>athletes or critters, the K-1 locks focus quickly and consistently,
>particularly with the 150-450. The K-3 is at least a step behind.
>Buffer size is the only minus, but shooting singles or short and
>infrequent bursts is my workaround.

That's a trade-off I've found, I don't know where he falls on that balance. 
 Both reach and buffer size are alleviated by shooting in crop mode. Does 
anyone on the list have a k70?

>> 
>> 
>>> On December 3, 2016 5:51:27 AM PST, Malcolm Smith
> wrote:
>>> Bipin Gupta wrote:
>>> 
>>> Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for
>Street
>>> Photography.
>>> 
>>> The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1,
>>> scaring
>>> a lot of people on the Streets.
>>> 
>>> As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers
>>> because of
>>> its size.
>>> 
>>> Happy shooting - post lots of photos please.
>>> +++
>>> 
>>> Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and
>>> equine
>>> photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold
>out
>>> a
>>> little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a
>>> K3. I
>>> don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other
>than
>>> a
>>> zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get
>FF
>>> compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and
>is
>>> what
>>> I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or
>>> not
>>> quite getting the composition right in camera. 
>>> 
>>> I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win!
>>> 
>>> Malcolm  
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Re: Street photography enablement.

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Paul via phone

> On Dec 3, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than the k1 
> anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode.

I have not found that to be the case. Whether shooting automobiles, athletes or 
critters, the K-1 locks focus quickly and consistently, particularly with the 
150-450. The K-3 is at least a step behind. Buffer size is the only minus, but 
shooting singles or short and infrequent bursts is my workaround.
> 
> 
>> On December 3, 2016 5:51:27 AM PST, Malcolm Smith  
>> wrote:
>> Bipin Gupta wrote:
>> 
>> Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for Street
>> Photography.
>> 
>> The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1,
>> scaring
>> a lot of people on the Streets.
>> 
>> As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers
>> because of
>> its size.
>> 
>> Happy shooting - post lots of photos please.
>> +++
>> 
>> Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and
>> equine
>> photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold out
>> a
>> little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a
>> K3. I
>> don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other than
>> a
>> zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get FF
>> compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and is
>> what
>> I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or
>> not
>> quite getting the composition right in camera. 
>> 
>> I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win!
>> 
>> Malcolm  
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RE: Street photography enablement.

[Larry Colen]

You may well find that the k3 does better for action photography than the k1 
anyways, even with the k1 in crop mode.


On December 3, 2016 5:51:27 AM PST, Malcolm Smith  
wrote:
>Bipin Gupta wrote:
>
>Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for Street
>Photography.
>
>The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1,
>scaring
>a lot of people on the Streets.
>
>As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers
>because of
>its size.
>
>Happy shooting - post lots of photos please.
>+++
>
>Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and
>equine
>photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold out
>a
>little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a
>K3. I
>don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other than
>a
>zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get FF
>compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and is
>what
>I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or
>not
>quite getting the composition right in camera. 
>
>I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win!
>
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RE: Street photography enablement.

[Malcolm Smith]

Bipin Gupta wrote:

Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for Street
Photography.

The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1, scaring
a lot of people on the Streets.

As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers because of
its size.

Happy shooting - post lots of photos please.
+++

Thanks Bipin. My choice was really between street photography and equine
photography - the need for the DFA 150-450. I figured I could hold out a
little while more for the longer lens, as I have the 55-300mm with a K3. I
don't really have anything suitable for street photography, other than a
zoom or a 50mm. I did consider the 21mm LTD but I want to slowly get FF
compatible lenses. The 31mm will push me out of my comfort zone, and is what
I need right now. I'm taking pictures in part, from too far away, or not
quite getting the composition right in camera. 

I suspect I'll use it a lot on livery yards too, so a win win!

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RE: Street photography enablement.

[Malcolm Smith]

Mark Roberts wrote:

You'll love it. My standard kit with the K-1 is the FA 20/2.8, 31/1.8 Ltd
and 77/1.8 Ltd.
+

Thanks Mark. Now that is a kit!

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Street photography enablement.

[Bipin Gupta]

Malcolm you did well to buy the 31 mm Prime - the best lens for Street
Photography.

The Pentax 150-450 Zoom would have looked like a BAZOOKA on the K-1, scaring
a lot of people on the Streets.

As it is a DSLR is a slight disadvantage for Street Photographers
because of its size.

Happy shooting - post lots of photos please.

Regards.
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Re: Street photography enablement.

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Malcolm Smith wrote:

>The next lens I wanted to buy was the DFA 150-450mm, but I really wanted a
>prime for street photography. The K1 warrants decent glass. I thought long
>and hard, the Black Friday sale helped too, and I've gone for the 31mm LTD.
>I've not owned a LTD lens before and I'm delighted after so long to finally
>own one.  I'm looking forward to seeing what I can achieve with this
>combination, and I'm particularly pleased to have a prime lens again and use
>my legs as the zoom. 

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RE: Street photography enablement.

[Malcolm Smith]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

Good choice. Enjoy!
++

Thanks Paul!

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Re: Street photography enablement.

[Paul Stenquist]

Good choice. Enjoy!

Paul via phone

> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:02 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> I've spent some time taking street photos again, always with a zoom and with
> very mixed results.
> 
> 
> 
> The next lens I wanted to buy was the DFA 150-450mm, but I really wanted a
> prime for street photography. The K1 warrants decent glass. I thought long
> and hard, the Black Friday sale helped too, and I've gone for the 31mm LTD.
> I've not owned a LTD lens before and I'm delighted after so long to finally
> own one.  I'm looking forward to seeing what I can achieve with this
> combination, and I'm particularly pleased to have a prime lens again and use
> my legs as the zoom. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Malcolm
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Street photography enablement.

[Malcolm Smith]

I've spent some time taking street photos again, always with a zoom and with
very mixed results.

 

The next lens I wanted to buy was the DFA 150-450mm, but I really wanted a
prime for street photography. The K1 warrants decent glass. I thought long
and hard, the Black Friday sale helped too, and I've gone for the 31mm LTD.
I've not owned a LTD lens before and I'm delighted after so long to finally
own one.  I'm looking forward to seeing what I can achieve with this
combination, and I'm particularly pleased to have a prime lens again and use
my legs as the zoom. 

 

 

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Some great mid-century street photography

[Mark Roberts]

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2016/may/23/unseen-london-paris-new-york-in-pictures

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Re: OT: 10 ebooks on Street Photography

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Dan.  I bookmarked the article to read later.  Cheers, Christine



> On Nov 3, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Saw this post:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-ernest-sweet/10-free-mustread-street-p_b_6087980.html
> 
> For those interested in Street Photography that don't want to hassle
> with the individual downloads, giving email addresses, etc. here is a
> zip file containing 9 of the 10 titles:
> The file 'StreetPhotography.zip' (252.9 MB) is available for download at
> < 
> http://dropbox.unl.edu/uploads/20141117/53e221694e5c16d1/StreetPhotography.zip
>> 
> for the next 14 days.
> 
> The 10th title you can page through here:
> http://issuu.com/alexcoghe9/docs/street_photography/35?e=8699325/9876375
> 
> Enjoy.
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OT: 10 ebooks on Street Photography

[Darren Addy]

Saw this post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-ernest-sweet/10-free-mustread-street-p_b_6087980.html

For those interested in Street Photography that don't want to hassle
with the individual downloads, giving email addresses, etc. here is a
zip file containing 9 of the 10 titles:
The file 'StreetPhotography.zip' (252.9 MB) is available for download at
< http://dropbox.unl.edu/uploads/20141117/53e221694e5c16d1/StreetPhotography.zip
 >
for the next 14 days.

The 10th title you can page through here:
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Re: PESO: Street Photography

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On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> And people complain that DSLRs are too big to carry around. :-/ I
> swear that in 2023 we'll see photos of people doing this and say I
> can't believe we were so dopey.

I used to use my Dad's Yashica-mat 2 1/4. Just let it hang from my
neck and push the shutter. No one could hear it

Dave
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> Street Photography, Modern Style:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17508310
>> Comments are invited.
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Re: PESO: Street Photography

[John]

Something missing?

On 9/2/2013 12:37 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Street Photography, Modern Style:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17508310
Comments are invited.

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Street Photography

[Bipin Gupta]

Hi Bruce, how right you are. We were recently at the Biodome in Montreal
walking through replicas of the four ecosystems found in the Americas.
We saw lots of folks using iPads and large Smart Phones to take photos.
And these are much bigger, rather conspicuous by their size.
The photo quality are awesome too.
Regards.
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Re: PESO: Street Photography

[Bruce Walker]

And people complain that DSLRs are too big to carry around. :-/ I
swear that in 2023 we'll see photos of people doing this and say I
can't believe we were so dopey.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Street Photography, Modern Style:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17508310
> Comments are invited.
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> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESO: Street Photography

[Alan C]

Too true. After a confirmation service at St. Francis yesterday, when in was 
photo time for the confirmands with the Bishop, out came the iPads & Smart 
phones - no cameras.


Alan

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PESO: Street Photography

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Street Photography, Modern Style:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17508310
Comments are invited.

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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[John]

On 7/26/2013 9:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Rob Studdert wrote:


I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he
sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again...


I didn't even look at it because I expected as much. I genuinely
like a lot of street photography (Juan Buhler and Frank Theriault
being amongst my favorite practitioners!) but I've noticed that the
people who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people
who write about it tend to give my dry heaves.




I got as far as him teaching a street photography workshop in Tokyo
where someone gave him a Leica M6.

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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Bill]

On 26/07/2013 7:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Rob Studdert wrote:
... but I've noticed that the people
who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people who write
about it tend to give my dry heaves.
  

um. MARK!!

bill

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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Bill]

On 26/07/2013 7:15 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 27 July 2013 03:10, Larry Colen  wrote:


If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU.

Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film,
though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera.
There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo
with digital, and then move on after it has been taken.

He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X
might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html
ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject
Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being 
scanned.
Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops
Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops
Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI)   2.4d13.5 stops
Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital   69dB11.5 stops
Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera  --  10 stops (estimated)
Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI)   2.4d10.5 stops
Nikon D2x digital camera--  9.5 stops (measured)
Typical LCD display 500:1   9 stops
Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma)  3.7d8 stops
Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma)  3.4d7.5 stops
Human eye (no iris change)  150:1   7 stops

I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is
different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital
cameras feel nearly disposable.

I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he
sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again...

In the case of latitude on film vs digital my theory is that people
are far more likely to hold back exposure to prevent burning out
highlights in digital media because it's so obvious, especially when
working in colour. In the case of B&W film you can burn baby burn and
even at max density there is still a relatively soft transition into
the normally exposed areas and of course there are no giveaway colour
shifts. I'm betting that the Leica M-Monochrom would seem a lot more
"film like".


His numbers are whacked out. Tri-X is hard pressed to give more than a 
10 stop range, and you had better be prepared to do some really 
deliberate exposure and development to get it to 10 stops, much less 
anything greater, and there wasn't a Kodachrome made that would give 
more than a 6 stop range.
The K5, with it's 14 stop range is comfortably better than ANY colour 
film ever made, and can only be outdone in dynamic range by B&W film by 
extreme over exposure/extreme under development. N-4 or N-5 development 
will hit close to 14 stops with FP-4  (been there, done that, have the 
picture to prove it), but you are exposing the film at something like 
ISO 6 and then giving the film a reach around to get it to cooperate.


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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[steve harley]

on 2013-07-26 10:43 Darren Addy wrote

Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I
am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain
cells.)


boredom is an essential human state and crucial to spiritual development


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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Mark C]

Thanks for posting that. Personally, I agree with many of his points and 
appreciate him sharing his evolution into the analog world.


Personally. I like film because I like the process and results. I like 
digital for the same reasons. And hand shadows And most anything 
esle that I've decided to do more than once.


Mark




On 7/26/2013 12:43 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I
am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain
cells.)

So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET
PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some
arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll
also find 'em here. Enjoy!

http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/



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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Darren Addy]

I tend to feel the same way about Photoshop gurus. (Not really, just
feeling like a smartburro.)

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Rob Studdert wrote:
>
>>I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he
>>sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again...
>
> I didn't even look at it because I expected as much. I genuinely like
> a lot of street photography (Juan Buhler and Frank Theriault being
> amongst my favorite practitioners!) but I've noticed that the people
> who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people who write
> about it tend to give my dry heaves.
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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Mark Roberts]

Rob Studdert wrote:

>I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he
>sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again...

I didn't even look at it because I expected as much. I genuinely like
a lot of street photography (Juan Buhler and Frank Theriault being
amongst my favorite practitioners!) but I've noticed that the people
who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people who write
about it tend to give my dry heaves.
 
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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Rob Studdert]

On 27 July 2013 03:10, Larry Colen  wrote:

> If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU.
>
> Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film,
> though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera.
> There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo
> with digital, and then move on after it has been taken.
>
> He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X
> might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400
> http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html
> ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject
> Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being 
> scanned.
> Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops
> Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops
> Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI)   2.4d13.5 stops
> Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital   69dB11.5 stops
> Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera  --  10 stops (estimated)
> Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI)   2.4d10.5 stops
> Nikon D2x digital camera--  9.5 stops (measured)
> Typical LCD display 500:1   9 stops
> Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma)  3.7d8 stops
> Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma)  3.4d7.5 stops
> Human eye (no iris change)  150:1   7 stops
>
> I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is
> different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital
> cameras feel nearly disposable.

I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he
sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again...

In the case of latitude on film vs digital my theory is that people
are far more likely to hold back exposure to prevent burning out
highlights in digital media because it's so obvious, especially when
working in colour. In the case of B&W film you can burn baby burn and
even at max density there is still a relatively soft transition into
the normally exposed areas and of course there are no giveaway colour
shifts. I'm betting that the Leica M-Monochrom would seem a lot more
"film like".


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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[John Sessoms]

... a Christmas tree on each end of the roll.

On 7/26/2013 1:50 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Film vs Digital (in a nutshell) http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=32912

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote:

Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I
am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain
cells.)

So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET
PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some
arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll
also find 'em here. Enjoy!

http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/


If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU.

Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film,
though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera.
There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo
with digital, and then move on after it has been taken.

He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X
might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html
ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject
Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being 
scanned.
Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops
Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops
Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI)   2.4d13.5 stops
Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital   69dB11.5 stops
Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera  --  10 stops (estimated)
Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI)   2.4d10.5 stops
Nikon D2x digital camera--  9.5 stops (measured)
Typical LCD display 500:1   9 stops
Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma)  3.7d8 stops
Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma)  3.4d7.5 stops
Human eye (no iris change)  150:1   7 stops

I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is
different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital
cameras feel nearly disposable.

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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[John Sessoms]

Boredom is just Nature's way of telling you it's a convenient time to 
take a nap.


On 7/26/2013 12:43 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I
am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain
cells.)

So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET
PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some
arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll
also find 'em here. Enjoy!

http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/



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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Larry Colen]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:50:30PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote:
> Film vs Digital (in a nutshell) http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=32912
> 
I just saw a reference that 10% of all the photographs ever taken, 
were taken in the past 12 months.

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/07/monarchy-versus-the-panopticon.html#more

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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Darren Addy]

Film vs Digital (in a nutshell) http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=32912

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote:
>> Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I
>> am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain
>> cells.)
>>
>> So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET
>> PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some
>> arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll
>> also find 'em here. Enjoy!
>>
>> http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/
>
> If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU.
>
> Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film,
> though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera.
> There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo
> with digital, and then move on after it has been taken.
>
> He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X
> might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400
> http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html
> ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject
> Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being 
> scanned.
> Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops
> Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops
> Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI)   2.4d13.5 stops
> Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital   69dB11.5 stops
> Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera  --  10 stops (estimated)
> Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI)   2.4d10.5 stops
> Nikon D2x digital camera--  9.5 stops (measured)
> Typical LCD display 500:1   9 stops
> Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma)  3.7d8 stops
> Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma)  3.4d7.5 stops
> Human eye (no iris change)  150:1   7 stops
>
> I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is
> different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital
> cameras feel nearly disposable.
>
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Re: OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

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On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote:
> Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I
> am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain
> cells.)
> 
> So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET
> PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some
> arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll
> also find 'em here. Enjoy!
> 
> http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/

If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU.

Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film, 
though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera.
There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo
with digital, and then move on after it has been taken.

He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X
might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html
ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject
Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being 
scanned.
Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops
Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops
Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI)   2.4d13.5 stops
Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital   69dB11.5 stops
Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera  --  10 stops (estimated)
Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI)   2.4d10.5 stops
Nikon D2x digital camera--  9.5 stops (measured)
Typical LCD display 500:1   9 stops
Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma)  3.7d8 stops
Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma)  3.4d7.5 stops
Human eye (no iris change)  150:1   7 stops

I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is
different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital
cameras feel nearly disposable.

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OT: "Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography"

[Darren Addy]

Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I
am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain
cells.)

So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET
PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some
arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll
also find 'em here. Enjoy!

http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Larry, I think the farmers' market pix and (especially) the covered bridge 
> pix need more attention in LR4, with advantage taken of the K5's DR.  The 
> shadows are way to murky in both.

:-(

I was taking advantage of the K-5 DR.  I tried giving a little more attention 
to a couple of them.  I posted the "out of the camera" shot, and my new, even 
more processed version, and they are at the end of the set:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/

When I try to bring the shadows up more, they look even flatter to me.

Most of these shots were taken with three shot brackets.  Unfortunately, I 
haven't gotten off my butt to learn photoshop and HDR to make use of the 
bracketing.


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> Subject: PESO street photography in downtown Felton
> 
> I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
> market, and there were some nice clouds for the background.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8073296748/in/set-72157631736193231/
> 
> For them that are interested, on my way home from the farmers market I tried 
> getting some photos with the clouds as the backdrop to the covered bridge:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

[Rick Womer]

Larry, I think the farmers' market pix and (especially) the covered bridge pix 
need more attention in LR4, with advantage taken of the K5's DR.  The shadows 
are way to murky in both.

Rick

 
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Subject: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
market, and there were some nice clouds for the background.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8073296748/in/set-72157631736193231/

For them that are interested, on my way home from the farmers market I tried 
getting some photos with the clouds as the backdrop to the covered bridge:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/


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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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On Oct 11, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Bob W  wrote:

> you guys need to switch from sheep farming to cattle farming. That way we
> can all make lots of Moori jokes.

Funny you should say.  I think dairy is only second to tourism in our export 
earnings now.  A great many sheep farms have been converted to dairy and it's 
causing all the problems you'd expect with runoff and pollution.  There aren't 
many rivers left that you can drink from.

As a result the local prices for dairy products have skyrocketed during the 
past few years, because we're dependent on international commodity prices.  I 
think there's a bit of gouging going on as well, as I've heard that it's 
cheaper to buy a bottle of NZ milk in the UK than it is here.

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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> And here I thought you were already the sharpest shears in the drawer.

True, but I'm the sharpest shears in the pipewrench drawer.

> The clouds are awesome.

Thanks.


> 
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:28 PM,   wrote:
>> Not yet.
>> 
>> Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>>> Larry Colen wrote:
>>> 
 I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the
>>> Farmer's market...
>>> 
>>> Is "getting my shears sharpened" a new euphemism for something I ought
>>> to be aware of?
>>> ;-)
>>> 
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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Thanks Frank and Dan.

On Oct 10, 2012, at 7:29 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agree with Dan.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
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> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> Sent: October 10, 2012 10/10/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton
> 
> Very strong depiction of the clouds, particularly in the first two images.
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
>> market, and there were some nice clouds for the background.
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8073296748/in/set-72157631736193231/
>> 
>> For them that are interested, on my way home from the farmers market I tried 
>> getting some photos with the clouds as the backdrop to the covered bridge:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/
>> 
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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Agree with Dan.

cheers,
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From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
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Very strong depiction of the clouds, particularly in the first two images.
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> I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
> market, and there were some nice clouds for the background.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8073296748/in/set-72157631736193231/
>
> For them that are interested, on my way home from the farmers market I tried 
> getting some photos with the clouds as the backdrop to the covered bridge:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/
>
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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And here I thought you were already the sharpest shears in the drawer.
 The clouds are awesome.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:28 PM,   wrote:
> Not yet.
>
> Mark Roberts  wrote:
>
>>Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>>I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the
>>Farmer's market...
>>
>>Is "getting my shears sharpened" a new euphemism for something I ought
>>to be aware of?
>>;-)
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

[lrc]

Not yet.

Mark Roberts  wrote:

>Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the
>Farmer's market...
>
>Is "getting my shears sharpened" a new euphemism for something I ought
>to be aware of?
>;-)
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
>>market...
>
> Is "getting my shears sharpened" a new euphemism for something I ought
> to be aware of?
> ;-)

Or perhaps a new euphemism for something I really don't want to be
aware of ... ?

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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
>market...

Is "getting my shears sharpened" a new euphemism for something I ought
to be aware of?
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RE: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

[lrc]

Why do they raise cattle in Australia and sheep in New Zealand?

On average, ozzies are taller.

Bob W  wrote:

>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann
>
>> I'd comment but I'm not allowed to mention sheep anymore.
>>
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=108
>> 39480
>> 
>
>you guys need to switch from sheep farming to cattle farming. That way
>we
>can all make lots of Moori jokes.
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RE: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann

> I'd comment but I'm not allowed to mention sheep anymore.
> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=108
> 39480
> 

you guys need to switch from sheep farming to cattle farming. That way we
can all make lots of Moori jokes.

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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> On Oct 10, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
> 
>> Um. what kind of shears? You have a sideline in sheep? -T
> 
> Ewe are mistaken there.  I bought them at the Dead Cow, the leather store at 
> the Salz tannery, but found that they are great for a lot of things besides 
> leather:
> http://www.csosborne.com/no708.htm

I'd comment but I'm not allowed to mention sheep anymore.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10839480

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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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On Oct 10, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

> Um. what kind of shears? You have a sideline in sheep? -T

Ewe are mistaken there.  I bought them at the Dead Cow, the leather store at 
the Salz tannery, but found that they are great for a lot of things besides 
leather:
http://www.csosborne.com/no708.htm


> 
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
>> market, and there were some nice clouds for the background.
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8073296748/in/set-72157631736193231/
>> 
>> For them that are interested, on my way home from the farmers market I tried 
>> getting some photos with the clouds as the backdrop to the covered bridge:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/
>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO street photography in downtown Felton

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Um. what kind of shears? You have a sideline in sheep? -T

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
> market, and there were some nice clouds for the background.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8073296748/in/set-72157631736193231/
>
> For them that are interested, on my way home from the farmers market I tried 
> getting some photos with the clouds as the backdrop to the covered bridge:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/
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PESO street photography in downtown Felton

[Larry Colen]

I had some time to kill while my shears were being sharpened at the Farmer's 
market, and there were some nice clouds for the background.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8073296748/in/set-72157631736193231/

For them that are interested, on my way home from the farmers market I tried 
getting some photos with the clouds as the backdrop to the covered bridge:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631736193231/


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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

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That Presidio photo reminds me of one by our very own Listmeister. 

Except maybe his was better.

IIRC it was called Evening in Montana or something like that. Might have been 
on the now-defunct Driving the Flies blog. In any event I've been searching all 
night and haven't been able to find it on-line anywhere.

Any chance you could link us to it or otherwise post it, Doug? 

It's a hell of a photo. I'd love to see it again and I'm sure that those who 
joined the list since it was originally posted would enjoy it.

Thanks!

cheers,
frank

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From: Christine Aguila 
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oo, I like that Presidio too, Ann. That's nice.  Cheers, Christine


On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Frank
> I love that shot, too
> and I quite like Stephen Shore - always have. Not crazy about the
> lanscape ones, however. the presideo shot you link down there is wonderful 
> and I've been to Presidio - tiny town in texas on Rio Grande
> 
> He gets the essence of a place very often.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 4/6/2012 19:45, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hey, I don't feel picked on. We're just having a discussion is all.
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> Okay, first of all I'm just not very good at artspeak; I'm generally not 
>> able to articulate why something is good or not-so-good. I mostly just know 
>> what I like and don't like.
>> 
>> Of that set you linked us to the first photo is brilliant. Yes, the people 
>> are far away and small and we can't really tell what they're doing, but 
>> somehow their placement in the frame "just works" and they add an incredible 
>> tension to the piece that lifts it far beyond what it would be if they 
>> weren't there.
>> 
>> Not to pick on Larry (but since you raised the comparison) but I just 
>> didn't get that tension or any other feeling from the people in his photos.
>> 
>> All that being said there were some of Shore's photos in that set that 
>> really didn't do much for me, awards and accolades or not. However, the 
>> photo of the child in Yucutan was amazing!
>> 
>> And if anyone on this list could consistently produce work like this:
>> 
>>  http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_presidio_full.html
>> 
>> then yes, they should be sending their work off to Steichen. That is one of 
>> the best photos I've seen. Period. Small person and all...
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> cheers,
>> frank
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
>> Christopher Hitchens
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> From: Bruce Walker
>> Sent: April 6, 2012 4/6/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>> Subject: Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
>> 
>> Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
>> look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
>> more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked
>> end-to-end ...
>> 
>> http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html
>> 
>> A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.
>> 
>> So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?
>> Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?
>> 
>> BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
>> that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
>> 500px. ;-)
>> 
>> http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-and-shit/
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>>   wrote:
>>> Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
>>> buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.
>>> 
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the 
>>> people in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great 
>>> interest, we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as 
>>> compositional elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective 
>>> without them.
>>> 
>>> But hey, that

Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Christine Aguila]

oo, I like that Presidio too, Ann. That's nice.  Cheers, Christine


On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Frank
> I love that shot, too
> and I quite like Stephen Shore - always have. Not crazy about the
> lanscape ones, however. the presideo shot you link down there is wonderful 
> and I've been to Presidio - tiny town in texas on Rio Grande
> 
> He gets the essence of a place very often.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 4/6/2012 19:45, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hey, I don't feel picked on. We're just having a discussion is all.
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> Okay, first of all I'm just not very good at artspeak; I'm generally not 
>> able to articulate why something is good or not-so-good. I mostly just know 
>> what I like and don't like.
>> 
>> Of that set you linked us to the first photo is brilliant. Yes, the people 
>> are far away and small and we can't really tell what they're doing, but 
>> somehow their placement in the frame "just works" and they add an incredible 
>> tension to the piece that lifts it far beyond what it would be if they 
>> weren't there.
>> 
>> Not to pick on Larry (but since you raised the comparison) but I just 
>> didn't get that tension or any other feeling from the people in his photos.
>> 
>> All that being said there were some of Shore's photos in that set that 
>> really didn't do much for me, awards and accolades or not. However, the 
>> photo of the child in Yucutan was amazing!
>> 
>> And if anyone on this list could consistently produce work like this:
>> 
>>  http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_presidio_full.html
>> 
>> then yes, they should be sending their work off to Steichen. That is one of 
>> the best photos I've seen. Period. Small person and all...
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> cheers,
>> frank
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
>> Christopher Hitchens
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> From: Bruce Walker
>> Sent: April 6, 2012 4/6/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>> Subject: Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
>> 
>> Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
>> look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
>> more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked
>> end-to-end ...
>> 
>> http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html
>> 
>> A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.
>> 
>> So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?
>> Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?
>> 
>> BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
>> that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
>> 500px. ;-)
>> 
>> http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-and-shit/
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
>>   wrote:
>>> Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
>>> buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.
>>> 
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the 
>>> people in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great 
>>> interest, we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as 
>>> compositional elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective 
>>> without them.
>>> 
>>> But hey, that's just me, what do I know?
>>> 
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> frank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
>>> Christopher Hitchens
>>> 
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>> 
>>> From: Larry Colen
>>> Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>>> Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
>>> 
>>> There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks 
>>> from the beach, at sunset.
>>> 
>>> I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two 
>>> sets.  In these I was practicing my "street photography&

Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Ann Sanfedele]

Frank
I love that shot, too
and I quite like Stephen Shore - always have. Not crazy about the
lanscape ones, however. the presideo shot you link down there is 
wonderful and I've been to Presidio - tiny town in texas on Rio Grande


He gets the essence of a place very often.

ann


On 4/6/2012 19:45, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey, I don't feel picked on. We're just having a discussion is all.

;-)

Okay, first of all I'm just not very good at artspeak; I'm generally not able 
to articulate why something is good or not-so-good. I mostly just know what I 
like and don't like.

Of that set you linked us to the first photo is brilliant. Yes, the people are far away 
and small and we can't really tell what they're doing, but somehow their placement in the 
frame "just works" and they add an incredible tension to the piece that lifts 
it far beyond what it would be if they weren't there.

Not to pick on Larry (but since you raised the comparison) but I just didn't 
get that tension or any other feeling from the people in his photos.

All that being said there were some of Shore's photos in that set that really 
didn't do much for me, awards and accolades or not. However, the photo of the 
child in Yucutan was amazing!

And if anyone on this list could consistently produce work like this:

  http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_presidio_full.html

then yes, they should be sending their work off to Steichen. That is one of the 
best photos I've seen. Period. Small person and all...

;-)

cheers,
frank



"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Bruce Walker
Sent: April 6, 2012 4/6/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked
end-to-end ...

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html

A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.

So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?
Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?

BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
500px. ;-)

http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-and-shit/


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
  wrote:

Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.

;-)

These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the people 
in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great interest, 
we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as compositional 
elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective without them.

But hey, that's just me, what do I know?

;-)

cheers,
frank


"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen
Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks from 
the beach, at sunset.

I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets.  In these I 
was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at the 
decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may not be as 
technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be somewhere between ad hoc 
and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather fun, in a frivolous way:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/

There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 230-232.  
Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and got to chatting with 
them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to which I immediately replied 
"I don't believe you". The poor girl was totally confused and had no idea what 
I was talking about.
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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen


On 4/6/2012 6:27 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

The Stephen Shore stuff on the link you posted wouldn't even compost properly.


I wasn't very favorably impressed with most of it myself.  I figured
that it didn't survive the translation from an 8x10 contact print to an
800 pixel screen image.  Most of them looked like instamatic snapshots
to me.




He's part of Andy Warhol's "Factory", so his talent is without question.

Cue the music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wefT_t2lHU


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RE: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[John Coyle]

Looked at the Yucatan set, and apart from the one of the child, which is a good 
if not
great image, they're no better than snapshots.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia




-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry 
Colen
Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012 11:40 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

> BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So 
> that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at 
> 500px. ;-)

A website used by the general population to upload their cell phone snapshots?  
Start
wandering around randomly and think that it's shit? 
Big surprise.

>
> http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-a
> nd-shit/

I can respect someone that can look at a scene, see what he wants, and in a 
single shot
get it.  Working with film, I can do a single shutter press per image, but I've 
found that
I much prefer the iterative process of discovery that digital allows me.

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com 
>   wrote:
>> Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
>> buildings, the
sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the 
>> people in the
shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great interest, we're 
not close
enough to get any of their personality and as compositional elements, well, to 
me the
pictures would be just as effective without them.

I do appreciate the feedback.  I was trying to catch the energy of the kids 
playing in the
surf, but I looked at the photos through my experience of having been there.

>>
>> But hey, that's just me, what do I know?

Enough to have a photographic style named after you.


>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>>
>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." 
>> -- Christopher Hitchens
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> From: Larry Colen
>> Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
>> Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
>>
>> There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks 
>> from the
beach, at sunset.
>>
>> I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two 
>> sets.  In these
I was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at the 
decisive moment,
sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may not be as technically 
strong as
it might be, and the composition might be somewhere between ad hoc and random.  
Even so, I
find these pictures rather fun, in a frivolous way:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/
>>
>> There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 
>> and 230-232.
Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and got to 
chatting with
them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to which I immediately 
replied "I
don't believe you". The poor girl was totally confused and had no idea what I 
was talking
about.
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>>
>>
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RE: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Walker
> 
> Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
> look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
> more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked end-
> to-end ...
> 
> http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html
> 
> A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.
> 

They're not random. They're important elements of the composition. The 
compositions are much better than the examples that Larry showed. The people 
and other human elements in Shore's photographs are linked by their positions 
in the compositions. The pictures themselves are well composed and refer back 
to earlier artistic & photographic tradition, so they're taking part in some 
sort of dialogue with art history.

> So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?

In the article about Shore he talks about certainty when he takes the picture. 
He knows what he's doing and why he's doing it, he's not just popping shots out 
in the hope that something will be ok. Larry was asking, in effect, 'are these 
any good?'. If the photographer himself has to ask that question then he 
already knows the answer. 

In addition, Larry set them in the context of street photography, so that's the 
context in which we have evaluated them. Shore sets his pictures in a different 
context, so we should use different modes of criticism

> Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?
> 

No harm in trying.

> BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
> that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
> 500px. ;-)
> 
> http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-
> and-shit/
> 

he's right about flickr, of course. How could it be otherwise? That's what most 
of photography has always been. It's a democratic activity and it follows from 
the sheer numbers of people doing it that it will be almost exclusively shit 
(an infinite number of chimpanzees with cameras). Amongst all the shit there 
are sure to be some gems, just as there are among collections of old family 
snapshots found in attics, but most of it is necessarily crap.




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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Larry Colen]

On 4/6/2012 6:27 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

The Stephen Shore stuff on the link you posted wouldn't even compost properly.


I wasn't very favorably impressed with most of it myself.  I figured 
that it didn't survive the translation from an 8x10 contact print to an 
800 pixel screen image.  Most of them looked like instamatic snapshots 
to me.




Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked
end-to-end ...

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html

A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.

So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?
Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?


I don't think that I'm the second coming of anyone.  For better or 
worse, I seem to be a unique product.




BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
500px. ;-)


A website used by the general population to upload their cell phone 
snapshots?  Start wandering around randomly and think that it's shit? 
Big surprise.




http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-and-shit/


I can respect someone that can look at a scene, see what he wants, and 
in a single shot get it.  Working with film, I can do a single shutter 
press per image, but I've found that I much prefer the iterative process 
of discovery that digital allows me.





On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
  wrote:

Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.

;-)

These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the people 
in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great interest, 
we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as compositional 
elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective without them.


I do appreciate the feedback.  I was trying to catch the energy of the 
kids playing in the surf, but I looked at the photos through my 
experience of having been there.




But hey, that's just me, what do I know?


Enough to have a photographic style named after you.




;-)

cheers,
frank


"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen
Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks from 
the beach, at sunset.

I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets.  In these I 
was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at the 
decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may not be as 
technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be somewhere between ad hoc 
and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather fun, in a frivolous way:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/

There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 230-232.  
Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and got to chatting with 
them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to which I immediately replied 
"I don't believe you". The poor girl was totally confused and had no idea what 
I was talking about.
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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Rick Womer]

The Stephen Shore stuff on the link you posted wouldn't even compost properly.

Rick
 
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


- Original Message -
From: Bruce Walker 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked
end-to-end ...

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html

A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.

So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?
Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?

BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
500px. ;-)

http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-and-shit/


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
> buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.
>
> ;-)
>
> These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the 
> people in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great 
> interest, we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as 
> compositional elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective 
> without them.
>
> But hey, that's just me, what do I know?
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Larry Colen 
> Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
>
> There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks 
> from the beach, at sunset.
>
> I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets. 
>  In these I was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people 
> at the decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set 
> may not be as technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be 
> somewhere between ad hoc and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather 
> fun, in a frivolous way:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/
>
> There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 
> 230-232.  Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and 
> got to chatting with them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, 
> to which I immediately replied "I don't believe you". The poor girl was 
> totally confused and had no idea what I was talking about.
> --
> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
>
>
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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Stan Halpin]

On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:45 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> And if anyone on this list could consistently produce work like this:
> 
> http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_presidio_full.html
> 
> then yes, they should be sending their work off to Steichen. That is one of 
> the best photos I've seen. Period. Small person and all...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 

And there can be no doubt that it is street photography!

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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Hey, I don't feel picked on. We're just having a discussion is all.

;-)

Okay, first of all I'm just not very good at artspeak; I'm generally not able 
to articulate why something is good or not-so-good. I mostly just know what I 
like and don't like.

Of that set you linked us to the first photo is brilliant. Yes, the people are 
far away and small and we can't really tell what they're doing, but somehow 
their placement in the frame "just works" and they add an incredible tension to 
the piece that lifts it far beyond what it would be if they weren't there. 

Not to pick on Larry (but since you raised the comparison ) but I just 
didn't get that tension or any other feeling from the people in his photos.

All that being said there were some of Shore's photos in that set that really 
didn't do much for me, awards and accolades or not. However, the photo of the 
child in Yucutan was amazing!

And if anyone on this list could consistently produce work like this:

 http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_presidio_full.html

then yes, they should be sending their work off to Steichen. That is one of the 
best photos I've seen. Period. Small person and all...

;-)

cheers,
frank



"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
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--- Original Message ---

From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: April 6, 2012 4/6/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked
end-to-end ...

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html

A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.

So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?
Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?

BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
500px. ;-)

http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-and-shit/


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
> buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.
>
> ;-)
>
> These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the 
> people in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great 
> interest, we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as 
> compositional elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective 
> without them.
>
> But hey, that's just me, what do I know?
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Larry Colen 
> Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
>
> There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks 
> from the beach, at sunset.
>
> I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets. 
>  In these I was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people 
> at the decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set 
> may not be as technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be 
> somewhere between ad hoc and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather 
> fun, in a frivolous way:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/
>
> There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 
> 230-232.  Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and 
> got to chatting with them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, 
> to which I immediately replied "I don't believe you". The poor girl was 
> totally confused and had no idea what I was talking about.
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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Bruce Walker]

Certainly not to pick on you Frank, but with your words in mind have a
look at the work of this celebrated photog, Stephen Shore, who has won
more accolades and awards than the entire PDML population stacked
end-to-end ...

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/shore/shore_yosemite_full.html

A scattering of random people, too far away to connect with etc.

So what's the big deal? Or is Larry in fact the second coming of SS?
Should he send his work to Steichen for purchase?

BTW: Stephen Shore once browsed Flickr and declared it all shit. So
that about wraps it up I guess. Good thing I've got some stuff over at
500px. ;-)

http://2point8.whileseated.org/2006/12/12/stephen-shore-on-certainty-and-shit/


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
> buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.
>
> ;-)
>
> These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the 
> people in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great 
> interest, we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as 
> compositional elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective 
> without them.
>
> But hey, that's just me, what do I know?
>
> ;-)
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: Larry Colen 
> Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
>
> There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks 
> from the beach, at sunset.
>
> I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets. 
>  In these I was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people 
> at the decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set 
> may not be as technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be 
> somewhere between ad hoc and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather 
> fun, in a frivolous way:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/
>
> There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 
> 230-232.  Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and 
> got to chatting with them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, 
> to which I immediately replied "I don't believe you". The poor girl was 
> totally confused and had no idea what I was talking about.
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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[P. J. Alling]

Ah the curse of a modern liberal arts education...

On 4/1/2012 4:54 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks from 
the beach, at sunset.

I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets.  In these I 
was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at the 
decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may not be as 
technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be somewhere between ad hoc 
and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather fun, in a frivolous way:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/

There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 230-232.  
Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and got to chatting with 
them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to which I immediately replied 
"I don't believe you". The poor girl was totally confused and had no idea what 
I was talking about.
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RE: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Well, it's not street photography 'cause there's no pavement, concrete, 
buildings, the sort of things that differentiate streets from, say, beaches.

;-)

These are really nice beach and ocean photos, but I don't feel that the people 
in the shots add much. They don't seem to be doing anything of great interest, 
we're not close enough to get any of their personality and as compositional 
elements, well, to me the pictures would be just as effective without them.

But hey, that's just me, what do I know?

;-)

cheers,
frank 


"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen 
Sent: April 1, 2012 4/1/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks from 
the beach, at sunset.

I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets.  
In these I was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at 
the decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may 
not be as technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be 
somewhere between ad hoc and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather 
fun, in a frivolous way:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/

There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 
230-232.  Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and 
got to chatting with them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to 
which I immediately replied "I don't believe you". The poor girl was totally 
confused and had no idea what I was talking about.
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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Larry Colen
> 
>> 
>> There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 
>> and 230-232.  Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera 
>> and got to chatting with them.  One of the girls told me her name was 
>> Cassandra, to which I immediately replied "I don't believe you". The poor 
>> girl was totally confused and had no idea what I was talking about.
> 
> I'm wondering what they were doing with all the driftwood. If that pyramidal 
> structure that shows in several of the images was going to be a bonfire on 
> the beach later that night, you missed a good opportunity.

I think someone was just making improvisational sculptures out of driftwood, 
rock and other detritus. 
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RE: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen


There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks from 
the beach, at sunset.

I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets.  In these I 
was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at the 
decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may not be as 
technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be somewhere between ad hoc 
and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather fun, in a frivolous way:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/

There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 230-232.  
Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and got to chatting with 
them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to which I immediately replied 
"I don't believe you". The poor girl was totally confused and had no idea what 
I was talking about.


I'm wondering what they were doing with all the driftwood. If that 
pyramidal structure that shows in several of the images was going to be 
a bonfire on the beach later that night, you missed a good opportunity.


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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Walt Gilbert]

On 4/1/2012 3:54 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks from 
the beach, at sunset.

I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets.  In these I 
was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at the 
decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may not be as 
technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be somewhere between ad hoc 
and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather fun, in a frivolous way:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/
Of all the shots, I tend to like 163 best, and I think it would benefit 
mightily from a b&w rendering as I think it would help to isolate the 
runner from the rest of the scene.




There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 230-232.  
Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and got to chatting with 
them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to which I immediately replied 
"I don't believe you". The poor girl was totally confused and had no idea what 
I was talking about.
That's probably going to happen 99 out of 100 times among beachcombers 
named Cassandra. You'd probably have more luck with that line in a 
coffee house or bookstore.


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RE: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Colen
> Sent: 01 April 2012 10:49
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> Subject: Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > You're too far away from them (cf Bob Capa's quote). There's no sense
> > of engagement or involvement in the situation.
> 
> 
> Interesting, I was trying to have the people as elements of the photo,
> rather than the subject.  It sounds as if it didn't work.
> 

OK, well you've set up some sort of expectation by referring to street
photography. If the people are simply compositional elements then it doesn't
really work for me because I don't get a strong sense of geometry from the
pictures or from the arrangement of the people within them. Harald Mante is
good for this approach to photography - well worth hunting down and reading
his books.

B

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Re: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 1, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Bob W wrote:

> You're too far away from them (cf Bob Capa's quote). There's no sense of
> engagement or involvement in the situation.


Interesting, I was trying to have the people as elements of the photo, rather 
than the subject.  It sounds as if it didn't work.

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RE: Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Bob W]

You're too far away from them (cf Bob Capa's quote). There's no sense of
engagement or involvement in the situation.

B

> -Original Message-
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> Larry Colen
> Sent: 01 April 2012 09:54
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> Subject: Is it street photography, if there is no street?
> 
> There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two
> blocks from the beach, at sunset.
> 
> I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two
> sets.  In these I was practicing my "street photography", trying to
> capture people at the decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the
> waist. As such, this set may not be as technically strong as it might
> be, and the composition might be somewhere between ad hoc and random.
> Even so, I find these pictures rather fun, in a frivolous way:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/
> 
> There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-
> 154 and 230-232.  Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had
> a camera and got to chatting with them.  One of the girls told me her
> name was Cassandra, to which I immediately replied "I don't believe
> you". The poor girl was totally confused and had no idea what I was
> talking about.
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Is it street photography, if there is no street?

[Larry Colen]

There are worse things than having an hour to kill, when you're two blocks from 
the beach, at sunset.

I found myself taking two types of pictures, and so I split it into two sets.  
In these I was practicing my "street photography", trying to capture people at 
the decisive moment, sometimes shooting from the waist. As such, this set may 
not be as technically strong as it might be, and the composition might be 
somewhere between ad hoc and random.  Even so, I find these pictures rather 
fun, in a frivolous way:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629713831141/

There are several shots in here with a group of college age kids, 153-154 and 
230-232.  Shortly after shooting 154, I noticed one of them had a camera and 
got to chatting with them.  One of the girls told me her name was Cassandra, to 
which I immediately replied "I don't believe you". The poor girl was totally 
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Re: LDF: Viewfinder Magazine, Street Photography, How Film is Made, Takumar vs EF-S Zoom

[Derby Chang]

On 19/11/2011 3:32 AM, Darren Addy wrote:


How Not to Do Street Photography
http://www.petapixel.com/2011/09/06/how-not-to-do-street-photography/




Thanks for that link, Darren. Sort of. There is a reason why many folk 
are suspicious of street photography and this doesn't help. Not to be 
snarky, but saying he is a more of a perfectionist that Bruce Gilden 
doesn't make him more golden. Brave of him to take photos of the 
homeless too :P



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LDFD: Street Photography, Takumar vs EF-S Zoom

[steve harley]

on 2011-11-18 09:32 Darren Addy wrote

If you choose to branch off on a discussion from any of
the topics below, please preface your Subject Line with LDFD: (Link
Dump Friday Discussion)


i've changed the subject, but those of us with true threaded email clients will 
see this as part of your original thread


i have a strong observer's interest in street photography, so i started reading 
your first link ...



What Street Photography Means to Me:
http://book.85mm.ch/CollectingSouls.pdf


it's got some interesting points, but it bothers me enough that i won't finish 
it right off; i see this as a guy who feels guilty about his work and so spends 
a fair amount of his ebook pumping himself up about technique as a way of 
avoiding his own guilt


when i noted he took a class in Beirut i was slightly excited since i just saw 
the semi-documentary _I Want to See_ with Catherine Deneuve; a fairly 
unorthodox film which has some connection to street photography




Video: Canon EF-S 18-135mm zoom compared to Vivitar and Takumar 135mm primes
http://youtu.be/dIAiaUKjdrM


incredibly annoying tone of voice and music; i would have rather experienced 
this as a text-based blog post; the results confirmed my expectations


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Re: LDF: Viewfinder Magazine, Street Photography, How Film is Made, Takumar vs EF-S Zoom

[Larry Colen]

On 11/18/2011 8:32 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

My first Link Dump Friday (LinkDumpFest) is a modest one, but I hope
you enjoy it. If you choose to branch off on a discussion from any of
the topics below, please preface your Subject Line with LDFD: (Link
Dump Friday Discussion)


tl;dc

Too Long; Didn't Click

I can follow an occasional link or two, but six distractions in one fell 
swoop, it's enough to keep me on task.




http://viewfindermag.com/category/magazine/
5th issue recently released... all 5 issues available there.

What Street Photography Means to Me:
http://book.85mm.ch/CollectingSouls.pdf

Going Candid... An unorthodox approach to Street Photography
http://book.85mm.ch/GoingCandid.pdf

How Not to Do Street Photography
http://www.petapixel.com/2011/09/06/how-not-to-do-street-photography/

Videos: How Film is Made (1958, Kodak)
http://istillshootfilm.org/post/11608137481/how-film-is-made-1958

Video: Canon EF-S 18-135mm zoom compared to Vivitar and Takumar 135mm primes
http://youtu.be/dIAiaUKjdrM

Looking forward to other PDML-er's LDF submissions!

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska



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