Re: Take cover!
Tom wrote: I expect folks on this list to be friendly, courteous, and self-restrained. In the couple of years I have been here they have. Occasionally, some of us get out of line. A friendly private reminder has always gotten things straightened out. Sure, but this is not commensurate with your statement that people can post whatever is on their mind - what kind of self-restrain is that?. It is this statement I strongly disagree with. In fact, Mike did just that; giving a friendly reminder but you didn't feel comfortable with that in spite of your position of tolerating everything. This is double standard. If people should be free to post whatever is on their mind why not Mike? Calling Mike and others censory types grossly misses the mark... As has been mentioned here before, many of us see this as list for Pentax Users, rather than a list about Pentax cameras. That makes for an interesting list. I can not imagine anyone who is not trying to make themselves out to be the Pentax Guru staying on a pure equipment list for more than a few weeks. There are people on this list who have been here for years. The way it is seems to suit most of them. This is an equipment list. This also means that what you put in your equipment is also on topic. People are far to quick in putting OT in front of perfectly on topic post. You cannot separate the equipment from the act of photography and nobody suggest otherwise. Politics and religion, however, is something totally different... Again, I'm not targeting anyone in particular for any particular act; I just disagree with the statement that everyone can post what's on their mind. Also your response on Mike original post in this thread (cited below) which in my opinion is something everyone should be able to agree upon. Mike: Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
Tom wrote: My flame was not about subject matter but about attitude. Obviously you can not see the difference, but then again you censors want to cut in and run everybody elses life. Probably because you don't have one of your own. This is with all due respect nonsense coming from someone who apply censorship by stating he can post whatever he likes. I'm interested in cars. If I want to discuss cars right here and can turn this into a Pentax car forum simply by posting car posts. I can flood you with car post. Then its me who decide what this list is all about without permission from anybody doing whatever I like - this is effective censorship inasmuch as this will over time scare away everybody not interested in Pentax and cars. This is childish behaviour... As for attitude. What attitude is it to post whatever one like? If this is the right attitude does it give me the right to call people assholes if I feel like it, without getting complaints? Attitude is to try to not offend people by avoiding posting about eg. politics and religion. That was not what they came here for. This is to show consideration which is the right attitude. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
Aye aye aye ayeI'm glad there so many sensible people here. Pål Aye Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
Paal, go ahead and post about cars. If anyone wants to talk to you about them they will. If not I assume you are adult enough to not continue posting a dead subject. If it turns out that only one or two of you are interested, then common courtesy would suggest you take it off list. The thing about censor types is they don't think anybody has any restraint and they have to beat people over the head to get them to act reasonably. I have been on the list since before Pentax dropped it as an official list. In all that time the only actual flame war I have seen is the one that was going on when I first subscribed. Both the people involved in that war have been off and on the list since, but have not engaged in that activity. I expect folks on this list to be friendly, courteous, and self-restrained. In the couple of years I have been here they have. Occasionally, some of us get out of line. A friendly private reminder has always gotten things straightened out. As has been mentioned here before, many of us see this as list for Pentax Users, rather than a list about Pentax cameras. That makes for an interesting list. I can not imagine anyone who is not trying to make themselves out to be the Pentax Guru staying on a pure equipment list for more than a few weeks. There are people on this list who have been here for years. The way it is seems to suit most of them. --graywolf - Original Message - From: Pål Audun Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Take cover! Tom wrote: My flame was not about subject matter but about attitude. Obviously you can not see the difference, but then again you censors want to cut in and run everybody elses life. Probably because you don't have one of your own. This is with all due respect nonsense coming from someone who apply censorship by stating he can post whatever he likes. I'm interested in cars. If I want to discuss cars right here and can turn this into a Pentax car forum simply by posting car posts. I can flood you with car post. Then its me who decide what this list is all about without permission from anybody doing whatever I like - this is effective censorship inasmuch as this will over time scare away everybody not interested in Pentax and cars. This is childish behaviour... As for attitude. What attitude is it to post whatever one like? If this is the right attitude does it give me the right to call people assholes if I feel like it, without getting complaints? Attitude is to try to not offend people by avoiding posting about eg. politics and religion. That was not what they came here for. This is to show consideration which is the right attitude. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
On Thursday, November 29, 2001, at 04:46 PM, John Coyle wrote: - but there is no excuse for bad language, insults, etc a la 'The Who' (said with fingers crossed). S! It's bad luck to say his name! -Aaron who vividly remembers the 'Flash Sync Wars' - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
As one of the participants in the discussion, I would have to say that if bad advice or mis-information is bandied about on any topic that arises, it is hard to let it go past. However, I think it reasonable to stop after one correction and one refutation! I tend not to want anyone to moderate this list, as that would reduce the liveliness of the discussions - but there is no excuse for bad language, insults, etc a la 'The Who' (said with fingers crossed). John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:32 PM, Mike Johnston [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
As one of the participants in the discussion mentioned, I would have to say that if bad advice or mis-information is bandied about on any topic that arises, it is hard to let it go past. However, I think it reasonable to stop after one correction and one refutation! I tend not to want anyone to moderate this list, as that would reduce the liveliness of the discussions - but there is no excuse for bad language, insults, etc a la 'The Who' (said with fingers crossed). My vote is, therefore, Nay John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:32 PM, Mike Johnston [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
aye Dave Begin Original Message From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:32:15 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
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RE: Take cover!
Aye Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
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RE: Take cover!
Aye! Len --- -Original Message- From: Mike Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
AYE. Mike Johnston wrote: Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 10:52 PM, dave o'brien wrote: There's a place for flames about various hot-button topic and it's called: Not Here! I thought you were going to say Usenet. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Aye. I'd like to include religion, politics in general, characterization of nations and peoples, and which OS is the least poor copy of the Mac OS among the topics best left for off list or relegated to other lists. g Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
My flame was not about subject matter but about attitude. Obviously you can not see the difference, but then again you censors want to cut in and run everybody elses life. Probably because you don't have one of your own. I do regret having put my respose to Kent on the list, because I had promised myself not to flame anybody but the netcop censors. Yes, vote. Then if Mr Brewer agrees with you to censor the list, I will go elsewhere. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Take cover!
Your advice still matters Tom Dave Begin Original Message From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:47 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Take cover! My flame was not about subject matter but about attitude. Obviously you can not see the difference, but then again you censors want to cut in and run everybody elses life. Probably because you don't have one of your own. I do regret having put my respose to Kent on the list, because I had promised myself not to flame anybody but the netcop censors. Yes, vote. Then if Mr Brewer agrees with you to censor the list, I will go elsewhere. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
Aye to Dan. Frits Wüthrich Dan Scott wrote: Aye. I'd like to include religion, politics in general, characterization of nations and peoples, and which OS is the least poor copy of the Mac OS among the topics best left for off list or relegated to other lists. g Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 10:52 PM, dave o'brien wrote: There's a place for flames about various hot-button topic and it's called: Not Here! I thought you were going to say Usenet. I thought about it, but decided that it's innapropriate for most newsgroups as well. Not to say that it doesn't happen, of course. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
Aye Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Take cover!
Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
