RE: The GESO Dilemma
And, according to sources at Buck House, tea should be stirred in a North-East - South-West direction without the spoon clattering against the side of the cup. Extracted from the guidelines for guests at the palace's garden parties. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 5:50 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The GESO Dilemma On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Teacups must be held with the fingers to the front and back of the handle (not looped through), and the pinky curved delicately away for balance. Tea that's made to BS 6008:1980 (aka ISO 3103), of course. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
That instruction assumes you're right-handed. -p On 6/30/2011 2:04 AM, John Coyle wrote: And, according to sources at Buck House, tea should be stirred in a North-East - South-West direction without the spoon clattering against the side of the cup. Extracted from the guidelines for guests at the palace's garden parties. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 5:50 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The GESO Dilemma On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Teacups must be held with the fingers to the front and back of the handle (not looped through), and the pinky curved delicately away for balance. Tea that's made to BS 6008:1980 (aka ISO 3103), of course. Cheers, Dave -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
Do they permit lefties in the palace? Dan On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote: That instruction assumes you're right-handed. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
Probably not...a sinestra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handedness -p On 6/30/2011 8:42 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Do they permit lefties in the palace? Dan On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Paul Sorensonpentax1...@gmail.com wrote: That instruction assumes you're right-handed. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Teacups must be held with the fingers to the front and back of the handle (not looped through), and the pinky curved delicately away for balance. Tea that's made to BS 6008:1980 (aka ISO 3103), of course. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:33 AM, Rick Womer wrote: Too many GESOs are far too large, repetitive, and tedious. It's common to see a dozen shots of runners/cyclists/motorcycles/race cars going around the same curve, from the same angle, in the same light. Galleries of a dozen shots of the same flower abound. Somewhere in all those shots there are often one or two that are gems, but the viewer shouldn't be asked to do the editing for the photographer. I do agree with this in general. Bear in mind that sometimes PDML may not be the primary audience for a gallery. My sporting galleries tend to be a bit on the large side... but I occasionally end up being asked for more photos by participants or parents. It's a tough balance, maybe I should think about doing separate galleries. First, that all of us give more attention to editing our galleries. Seconded... difficult as it is :) But I propose an exception for cat galleries. You can't have too many cat photos. Second, that the subject line indicate how large the gallery is; for example, GESO(12) - Dog Poop tells the viewer that twelve shots of Spot's output lurk behind. This is a good idea. I'll try and remember. BTW I'm sure you don't intend these to be hard rules. I wouldn't want PDML to become too snobbish :) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
--- On Mon, 6/27/11, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: BTW I'm sure you don't intend these to be hard rules. I wouldn't want PDML to become too snobbish :) Teacups must be held with the fingers to the front and back of the handle (not looped through), and the pinky curved delicately away for balance. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
It's a great idea. I definitely wouldn't want to look at 12 shots of dog poop. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 6/27/11, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: BTW I'm sure you don't intend these to be hard rules. I wouldn't want PDML to become too snobbish :) Teacups must be held with the fingers to the front and back of the handle (not looped through), and the pinky curved delicately away for balance. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: The GESO Dilemma It's a great idea. I definitely wouldn't want to look at 12 shots of dog poop. I can see why, they'd all be crappy ! On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 6/27/11, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: BTW I'm sure you don't intend these to be hard rules. I wouldn't want PDML to become too snobbish :) Teacups must be held with the fingers to the front and back of the handle (not looped through), and the pinky curved delicately away for balance. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The GESO Dilemma
I've been looking over the view counts that photo.net provides on my photos. Photos I post in a gallery (GESO) get only 1/5 to 1/10 as many views as photos posted singly (PESO). There are several shots that languished in GESOs for weeks with 20 views; posting them as PESOs zoomed the views to 150. Everyone likes to have their photos seen, but sometimes single photos don't tell the desired story, and only a gallery will do the job; but the GESO header dooms one's photos to obscurity. I confess that I hesitate to open GESOs myself. Too many GESOs are far too large, repetitive, and tedious. It's common to see a dozen shots of runners/cyclists/motorcycles/race cars going around the same curve, from the same angle, in the same light. Galleries of a dozen shots of the same flower abound. Somewhere in all those shots there are often one or two that are gems, but the viewer shouldn't be asked to do the editing for the photographer. This leads to two proposals: First, that all of us give more attention to editing our galleries. Second, that the subject line indicate how large the gallery is; for example, GESO(12) - Dog Poop tells the viewer that twelve shots of Spot's output lurk behind. That might encourage more careful editing, and allay the fears of viewers that following the link is going to keep them busy for an hour. Now I'm going to puzzle over how best to post more Toronto pictures. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The GESO Dilemma
I agree. I don't have any answers. There are some subjects that I don't generally look at at all: flowers, motor bikes, cars, cats, etc. but there are people who seem perfectly happy to look through each one of a large number of samey pictures, so I guess it's different strolks for different fokes. I have 2 pet peeves (as far as PDML galleries goes), one of which I vented a week or two ago, about people posting several links, rather than a single link to a gallery. The other peeve is people posting a link to a single photograph and expecting us to follow the next buttons without having an overview. The answers I don't have is this: a single link to a gallery page or two of reasonably-sized thumbnails gives people an overview and they can pick and choose individual pictures to look at, or click through them all with the next button. That seems to give the most choice without imposing on people. In user interface design there is a thing called Shneiderman's Mantra: Overview first, zoom and filter, then details-on-demand This can be expanded into 7 basic interface tasks - not all relevant to our situation, but nevertheless worth considering: Overview: Gain an overview of the entire collection. Zoom: Zoom in on items of interest allowing a more detailed view. Filter: Filter out uninteresting items reducing the size of search. Details-on-demand: Select an item or group and get details when needed. Relate: View relationships among items History: Keep a history of actions to support undo, replay, and progressive refinement allowing a mistake to be undone, or a series of steps to be replayed. Extract: Allow extraction of sub-collections and saving, printing or dragging to another application. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rick Womer Sent: 26 June 2011 16:33 To: Pentax List Subject: The GESO Dilemma I've been looking over the view counts that photo.net provides on my photos. Photos I post in a gallery (GESO) get only 1/5 to 1/10 as many views as photos posted singly (PESO). There are several shots that languished in GESOs for weeks with 20 views; posting them as PESOs zoomed the views to 150. Everyone likes to have their photos seen, but sometimes single photos don't tell the desired story, and only a gallery will do the job; but the GESO header dooms one's photos to obscurity. I confess that I hesitate to open GESOs myself. Too many GESOs are far too large, repetitive, and tedious. It's common to see a dozen shots of runners/cyclists/motorcycles/race cars going around the same curve, from the same angle, in the same light. Galleries of a dozen shots of the same flower abound. Somewhere in all those shots there are often one or two that are gems, but the viewer shouldn't be asked to do the editing for the photographer. This leads to two proposals: First, that all of us give more attention to editing our galleries. Second, that the subject line indicate how large the gallery is; for example, GESO(12) - Dog Poop tells the viewer that twelve shots of Spot's output lurk behind. That might encourage more careful editing, and allay the fears of viewers that following the link is going to keep them busy for an hour. Now I'm going to puzzle over how best to post more Toronto pictures. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The GESO Dilemma
Rick, I think you are right. I prefer galleries that come with thumbnail overviews. Editing is hard work and we all don't do enough of it. Sometimes you want a gallery to show a concept or effect, but showing the number of photos in the header is a good idea. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been looking over the view counts that photo.net provides on my photos. Photos I post in a gallery (GESO) get only 1/5 to 1/10 as many views as photos posted singly (PESO). There are several shots that languished in GESOs for weeks with 20 views; posting them as PESOs zoomed the views to 150. Everyone likes to have their photos seen, but sometimes single photos don't tell the desired story, and only a gallery will do the job; but the GESO header dooms one's photos to obscurity. I confess that I hesitate to open GESOs myself. Too many GESOs are far too large, repetitive, and tedious. It's common to see a dozen shots of runners/cyclists/motorcycles/race cars going around the same curve, from the same angle, in the same light. Galleries of a dozen shots of the same flower abound. Somewhere in all those shots there are often one or two that are gems, but the viewer shouldn't be asked to do the editing for the photographer. This leads to two proposals: First, that all of us give more attention to editing our galleries. Second, that the subject line indicate how large the gallery is; for example, GESO(12) - Dog Poop tells the viewer that twelve shots of Spot's output lurk behind. That might encourage more careful editing, and allay the fears of viewers that following the link is going to keep them busy for an hour. Now I'm going to puzzle over how best to post more Toronto pictures. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
