RE: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-12 Thread Jens Bladt
If the camera can't read thje lens, the camera will ask you to dial in
the correct focal length.
This menu can't be accessed maually, says the instruction book, I believe.
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Emne: The need to manually set SR


I'm sure I've asked this before, but can't remember the outcomehas
anyone figured how to set SR manually with a PKAF lens set at the 'A'
psition
on the K10D. I'd like to be able to mount the 300/4 APO with 2x TC and set
SR
to 600mm lens. I've been working my way through the settings but had no luck
yet, can't find anything in the user manual to help.

TIA,

John







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RE: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-12 Thread John Whittingham
Hi Jens

 If the camera can't read thje lens, the camera will ask you to 
 dial in the correct focal length. This menu can't be accessed 
 maually, says the instruction book, I believe. Regards .

As soon as you attach an AF lens the camera sets automatically and the manual 
setting is greyed out in the menu. I've tried the Sigma 300 f/4 with 2x EX 
converter, results seem acceptable even though the camera believes I'm using 
a FA* 300 f/4.5, only time will tell :)

John 



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The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread John Whittingham
I'm sure I've asked this before, but can't remember the outcomehas 
anyone figured how to set SR manually with a PKAF lens set at the 'A' psition 
on the K10D. I'd like to be able to mount the 300/4 APO with 2x TC and set SR 
to 600mm lens. I've been working my way through the settings but had no luck 
yet, can't find anything in the user manual to help.

TIA,

John






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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
It's in the menus. I think in custom functions. But if you mount the  
lens and turn SR on before turning the camera on,  the SR adjustment  
screen will appear when you turn the camera on. Just set it to 600.  
I've set it to 800 with my 400 and 2X converter. Works nicely.
Paul
On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:34 AM, John Whittingham wrote:

 I'm sure I've asked this before, but can't remember the  
 outcomehas
 anyone figured how to set SR manually with a PKAF lens set at the 'A'  
 psition
 on the K10D. I'd like to be able to mount the 300/4 APO with 2x TC and  
 set SR
 to 600mm lens. I've been working my way through the settings but had  
 no luck
 yet, can't find anything in the user manual to help.

 TIA,

 John




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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread John Whittingham
 It's in the menus. I think in custom functions. But if you mount the 
  lens and turn SR on before turning the camera on,  the SR 
 adjustment  screen will appear when you turn the camera on. Just set 
 it to 600.  I've set it to 800 with my 400 and 2X converter. Works nicely.
 Paul


Paul, thanks, you're a star player. I was just trying to figure out if it 
could be saved in user mode but that's saved me all the trouble.

John 



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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread John Whittingham
 It's in the menus. I think in custom functions. But if you mount the 
  lens and turn SR on before turning the camera on,  the SR 
 adjustment  screen will appear when you turn the camera on. Just set 
 it to 600.  I've set it to 800 with my 400 and 2X converter. Works nicely.
 Paul


Ah now, is that an A series lens, or A series converter? Because it's not 
working with AF lenses and AF converter, it's just transmitting the lens 
data straight through and setting SR automatically, with no option in the 
menu structure to change SR, it's 'greyed out' so to speak!

John 



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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 1, 2007, at 4:47 AM, John Whittingham wrote:
 It's in the menus. I think in custom functions. But if you mount the
  lens and turn SR on before turning the camera on,  the SR
 adjustment  screen will appear when you turn the camera on. Just set
 it to 600.  I've set it to 800 with my 400 and 2X converter. Works  
 nicely.
 Paul


 Ah now, is that an A series lens, or A series converter? Because  
 it's not
 working with AF lenses and AF converter, it's just transmitting the  
 lens
 data straight through and setting SR automatically, with no option  
 in the
 menu structure to change SR, it's 'greyed out' so to speak!


If the lens fitted supplies the focal length data, I don't believe  
there is any way to override the setting. That includes the lens plus  
teleconverter.

Pentax-A Rear Converters do not supply the focal length data so you  
can set it manually. That's the only one I have. However, this topic  
came up on DPReview.com and one person posted his experience with the  
Pentax-F 1.7AF adapter and the Sigma 2x APO TC ...

thread link:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? 
forum=1036message=21831766
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Subject  Re: Teleconvertors  anti-shake focal lengths
Posted byMcBrian  [CLICK FOR PROFILE]
Date/Time6:44:59 PM, Saturday, January 27, 2007 (GMT)



Hi all, haven't digested all of the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating  
anything, hope some of this may be of interest.

I just received a Pentax 1.7x AF Adaptor today, got for a very very  
nice price and it's in as new condition too. I already have a Sigma  
2x APO so I wondered how the K10D SR and EXIF differs between them,  
well here are a few quick conclussions.

Penatx SMC-F 1.7X Adaptor
When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x adaptor you are  
promted at switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4  
mounted the adjusted aperture of f2.8-40 is selectable/displayed in  
VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the  
SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens  
does AF though.

When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x after switch on you  
can set the desired focal length by going into the Shake Reduction  
menu and select whatever focal length you wish, with the DA16-45 f4  
mounted the adjusted aperture of f6.7-40 is selectable/displayed in  
VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the  
SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens  
does AF though.

Sigma 2x APO
When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC you are promted at  
switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4 mounted an  
aperture of f1.4-22 is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF. No  
corrections to Aperture but the focal length selected is displayed in  
the the EXIF. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected.

When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC after switch on  
you cannot set the desired focal length, the Shake Reduction menu is  
greyed out, with an FA24-90 mounted the aperture range as stated on  
the lens is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF, No corrections to  
Aperture or focal length in VF or EXIF

If you switch on with only the Sigma 2x attached you are promted for  
a focal length but this is over ridden as soon as you attach an AF lens.
---

So behavior will differ based on the teleconverter and the primary  
lens fitted.

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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread Perry Pellechia
On 2/1/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 If the lens fitted supplies the focal length data, I don't believe
 there is any way to override the setting. That includes the lens plus
 teleconverter.



Sure there is,  just tape over the lens mount contacts.

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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread Kenneth Waller
Interesting.
But I wonder if, for example a 300mm lens with a 1.4 converter, should have 
the SR set for a 300mm lens or 420mm (1.4 X 300) lens ?

Any thoughts?


Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The need to manually set SR


 On Feb 1, 2007, at 4:47 AM, John Whittingham wrote:
 It's in the menus. I think in custom functions. But if you mount the
  lens and turn SR on before turning the camera on,  the SR
 adjustment  screen will appear when you turn the camera on. Just set
 it to 600.  I've set it to 800 with my 400 and 2X converter. Works
 nicely.
 Paul


 Ah now, is that an A series lens, or A series converter? Because
 it's not
 working with AF lenses and AF converter, it's just transmitting the
 lens
 data straight through and setting SR automatically, with no option
 in the
 menu structure to change SR, it's 'greyed out' so to speak!


 If the lens fitted supplies the focal length data, I don't believe
 there is any way to override the setting. That includes the lens plus
 teleconverter.

 Pentax-A Rear Converters do not supply the focal length data so you
 can set it manually. That's the only one I have. However, this topic
 came up on DPReview.com and one person posted his experience with the
 Pentax-F 1.7AF adapter and the Sigma 2x APO TC ...

 thread link:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?
 forum=1036message=21831766
 ---
 Forum  DPReview.com Pentax SLR Talk
 Subject  Re: Teleconvertors  anti-shake focal lengths
 Posted by  McBrian  [CLICK FOR PROFILE]
 Date/Time  6:44:59 PM, Saturday, January 27, 2007 (GMT)



 Hi all, haven't digested all of the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating
 anything, hope some of this may be of interest.

 I just received a Pentax 1.7x AF Adaptor today, got for a very very
 nice price and it's in as new condition too. I already have a Sigma
 2x APO so I wondered how the K10D SR and EXIF differs between them,
 well here are a few quick conclussions.

 Penatx SMC-F 1.7X Adaptor
 When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x adaptor you are
 promted at switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4
 mounted the adjusted aperture of f2.8-40 is selectable/displayed in
 VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the
 SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens
 does AF though.

 When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x after switch on you
 can set the desired focal length by going into the Shake Reduction
 menu and select whatever focal length you wish, with the DA16-45 f4
 mounted the adjusted aperture of f6.7-40 is selectable/displayed in
 VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the
 SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens
 does AF though.

 Sigma 2x APO
 When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC you are promted at
 switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4 mounted an
 aperture of f1.4-22 is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF. No
 corrections to Aperture but the focal length selected is displayed in
 the the EXIF. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected.

 When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC after switch on
 you cannot set the desired focal length, the Shake Reduction menu is
 greyed out, with an FA24-90 mounted the aperture range as stated on
 the lens is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF, No corrections to
 Aperture or focal length in VF or EXIF

 If you switch on with only the Sigma 2x attached you are promted for
 a focal length but this is over ridden as soon as you attach an AF lens.
 ---

 So behavior will differ based on the teleconverter and the primary
 lens fitted.

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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread pnstenquist
420 mm. It's the total focal length that determines the displacement. With the 
A2X-S converter on my A 400/5.6 I set it to 800mm. I've handheld it at 1/250th. 
Once or twice, I even got acceptable results at 1/125th. It works.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Interesting.
 But I wonder if, for example a 300mm lens with a 1.4 converter, should have 
 the SR set for a 300mm lens or 420mm (1.4 X 300) lens ?
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 
 Kenneth Waller
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: The need to manually set SR
 
 
  On Feb 1, 2007, at 4:47 AM, John Whittingham wrote:
  It's in the menus. I think in custom functions. But if you mount the
   lens and turn SR on before turning the camera on,  the SR
  adjustment  screen will appear when you turn the camera on. Just set
  it to 600.  I've set it to 800 with my 400 and 2X converter. Works
  nicely.
  Paul
 
 
  Ah now, is that an A series lens, or A series converter? Because
  it's not
  working with AF lenses and AF converter, it's just transmitting the
  lens
  data straight through and setting SR automatically, with no option
  in the
  menu structure to change SR, it's 'greyed out' so to speak!
 
 
  If the lens fitted supplies the focal length data, I don't believe
  there is any way to override the setting. That includes the lens plus
  teleconverter.
 
  Pentax-A Rear Converters do not supply the focal length data so you
  can set it manually. That's the only one I have. However, this topic
  came up on DPReview.com and one person posted his experience with the
  Pentax-F 1.7AF adapter and the Sigma 2x APO TC ...
 
  thread link:
 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?
  forum=1036message=21831766
  ---
  Forum  DPReview.com Pentax SLR Talk
  Subject  Re: Teleconvertors  anti-shake focal lengths
  Posted by  McBrian  [CLICK FOR PROFILE]
  Date/Time  6:44:59 PM, Saturday, January 27, 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
  Hi all, haven't digested all of the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating
  anything, hope some of this may be of interest.
 
  I just received a Pentax 1.7x AF Adaptor today, got for a very very
  nice price and it's in as new condition too. I already have a Sigma
  2x APO so I wondered how the K10D SR and EXIF differs between them,
  well here are a few quick conclussions.
 
  Penatx SMC-F 1.7X Adaptor
  When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x adaptor you are
  promted at switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4
  mounted the adjusted aperture of f2.8-40 is selectable/displayed in
  VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the
  SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens
  does AF though.
 
  When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x after switch on you
  can set the desired focal length by going into the Shake Reduction
  menu and select whatever focal length you wish, with the DA16-45 f4
  mounted the adjusted aperture of f6.7-40 is selectable/displayed in
  VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the
  SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens
  does AF though.
 
  Sigma 2x APO
  When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC you are promted at
  switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4 mounted an
  aperture of f1.4-22 is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF. No
  corrections to Aperture but the focal length selected is displayed in
  the the EXIF. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected.
 
  When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC after switch on
  you cannot set the desired focal length, the Shake Reduction menu is
  greyed out, with an FA24-90 mounted the aperture range as stated on
  the lens is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF, No corrections to
  Aperture or focal length in VF or EXIF
 
  If you switch on with only the Sigma 2x attached you are promted for
  a focal length but this is over ridden as soon as you attach an AF lens.
  ---
 
  So behavior will differ based on the teleconverter and the primary
  lens fitted.
 
  Godfrey
 
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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 But I wonder if, for example a 300mm lens with a 1.4 converter,  
 should have
 the SR set for a 300mm lens or 420mm (1.4 X 300) lens ?

If you fit a teleconverter behind a lens, the proper setting for the  
shake reduction should be the combination of lens and teleconverter  
focal length. So, for instance, a 300mm lens plus a 2x teleconverter  
constitutes a 600mm lens, and that's what the SR should ideally be  
set to work for.

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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread John Francis

It should have the SR focal length set to 420mm; that's the
only way it knows how angular rotation of the camera affects
the position of the image on the sensor.

Unfortunately that's not possible with an AF lens mounted on
a TC (such as the Sigma APO TCs) which passes the FA signals.

This means I can't use SR if I'm using my my AF TCs :-(
Pentax really need to come up with a way for the user to
indicate that a TC is in use.  It wouldn't be bad if they
also eventually release an AF TC of their own (hopefully
one that works with the new DA* lenses, while I'm dreaming ...)



On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:26:07PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote:
 Interesting.
 But I wonder if, for example a 300mm lens with a 1.4 converter, should have 
 the SR set for a 300mm lens or 420mm (1.4 X 300) lens ?
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 
 Kenneth Waller
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: The need to manually set SR
 
 
  On Feb 1, 2007, at 4:47 AM, John Whittingham wrote:
  It's in the menus. I think in custom functions. But if you mount the
   lens and turn SR on before turning the camera on,  the SR
  adjustment  screen will appear when you turn the camera on. Just set
  it to 600.  I've set it to 800 with my 400 and 2X converter. Works
  nicely.
  Paul
 
 
  Ah now, is that an A series lens, or A series converter? Because
  it's not
  working with AF lenses and AF converter, it's just transmitting the
  lens
  data straight through and setting SR automatically, with no option
  in the
  menu structure to change SR, it's 'greyed out' so to speak!
 
 
  If the lens fitted supplies the focal length data, I don't believe
  there is any way to override the setting. That includes the lens plus
  teleconverter.
 
  Pentax-A Rear Converters do not supply the focal length data so you
  can set it manually. That's the only one I have. However, this topic
  came up on DPReview.com and one person posted his experience with the
  Pentax-F 1.7AF adapter and the Sigma 2x APO TC ...
 
  thread link:
 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?
  forum=1036message=21831766
  ---
  Forum  DPReview.com Pentax SLR Talk
  Subject  Re: Teleconvertors  anti-shake focal lengths
  Posted by  McBrian  [CLICK FOR PROFILE]
  Date/Time  6:44:59 PM, Saturday, January 27, 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
  Hi all, haven't digested all of the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating
  anything, hope some of this may be of interest.
 
  I just received a Pentax 1.7x AF Adaptor today, got for a very very
  nice price and it's in as new condition too. I already have a Sigma
  2x APO so I wondered how the K10D SR and EXIF differs between them,
  well here are a few quick conclussions.
 
  Penatx SMC-F 1.7X Adaptor
  When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x adaptor you are
  promted at switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4
  mounted the adjusted aperture of f2.8-40 is selectable/displayed in
  VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the
  SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens
  does AF though.
 
  When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Pentax-F 1.7x after switch on you
  can set the desired focal length by going into the Shake Reduction
  menu and select whatever focal length you wish, with the DA16-45 f4
  mounted the adjusted aperture of f6.7-40 is selectable/displayed in
  VF and EXIF, the EXIF also displays the focal length selected in the
  SR menu. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected, the lens
  does AF though.
 
  Sigma 2x APO
  When you mount an SMC-A lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC you are promted at
  switch on for the focal length, with the SMC-A50 f1.4 mounted an
  aperture of f1.4-22 is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF. No
  corrections to Aperture but the focal length selected is displayed in
  the the EXIF. MF is lit in the VF even though AF is selected.
 
  When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC after switch on
  you cannot set the desired focal length, the Shake Reduction menu is
  greyed out, with an FA24-90 mounted the aperture range as stated on
  the lens is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF, No corrections to
  Aperture or focal length in VF or EXIF
 
  If you switch on with only the Sigma 2x attached you are promted for
  a focal length but this is over ridden as soon as you attach an AF lens.
  ---
 
  So behavior will differ based on the teleconverter and the primary
  lens fitted.
 
  Godfrey
 
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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Perry Pellechia wrote:

 If the lens fitted supplies the focal length data, I don't believe
 there is any way to override the setting. That includes the lens plus
 teleconverter.

 Sure there is,  just tape over the lens mount contacts.

Sure, go ahead. You'll lose MTF line and other data reported from  
lens to body as well. Might be worth it to you, but the statement was  
made in the context of camera functions presuming standard  
utilization of the camera and lens rather than mucking about with  
fooling the camera.

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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread John Whittingham
 It should have the SR focal length set to 420mm; that's the
 only way it knows how angular rotation of the camera affects
 the position of the image on the sensor.

Yes, absolutely.

 Unfortunately that's not possible with an AF lens mounted on
 a TC (such as the Sigma APO TCs) which passes the FA signals.

Yes, unfortunately.

 This means I can't use SR if I'm using my my AF TCs :-(
 Pentax really need to come up with a way for the user to
 indicate that a TC is in use.

Yes, agreed.

 It wouldn't be bad if they
 also eventually release an AF TC of their own (hopefully
 one that works with the new DA* lenses, while I'm dreaming ...)

Long overdue, one of the reasons I bought the Sigma 70-200  300 APO's

Maybe I should contact Pentax and ask for a firware revision 8)

John





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Re: The need to manually set SR

2007-02-01 Thread John Whittingham
 When you mount an F/FA/DA lens to a Sigma 2x APO TC after switch on  
 you cannot set the desired focal length, the Shake Reduction menu is 
  greyed out, with an FA24-90 mounted the aperture range as stated on 
  the lens is selectable/displayed in VF and EXIF, No corrections to  
 Aperture or focal length in VF or EXIF
 
 If you switch on with only the Sigma 2x attached you are promted for 
  a focal length but this is over ridden as soon as you attach an AF lens.

Thanks Godfrey, just as I feared. Firmware 1.2 maybe?

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