Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
You forgot the Contax DSLR, but then again so did everyone else... Ryan Brooks wrote: Tom C wrote: Mr. Robb wrote: There aren't a lot of 24x36mm DSLRs out there, so get used to the new format. There's alot! Maybe only one model. ;-) Tom C. Current: 5D, 1DsM2 Not-current: 1Ds, DCS-14n and -14c -Ryan -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Wanting to Move to Digital
I would like to move toward digital for a number of reasons, mostly the ability to take lots of shots and losing the baddies without wasting film. But, I've got a ton of old Pentax glass, mostly old screwmount Takumars, but also some more recent AF zooms for my ZX-5N. So I went out today to look at am IST DS (or maybe a DL??) at the local camera shop just to see and feel the camera. I liked the feel, and might adapt to all the controls, but the whole lens thing has me stumped. I believe (but the salesman was not sure) that I can use all my old glass (screwmount with my adapter). But am not sure if a) there will be any metering at all, or b) whether I could use an aperture priority setting and set the aperture manually while the camera sets the exposure. Can y'all explain what would happen? I'm also put off by the focal length conversion. My 28-105 and 28-300 would become almost a normal to tele lens with no wide angle at all. But the kit lens (18-55 I think) looks like junk and is not much in the tele department either. So then I'm back to carrying several lenses which can be a royal pain under some circs. How do y'all handle this? thanks chuck -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 04:25:46PM -0400, chuck wrote: I would like to move toward digital for a number of reasons, mostly the ability to take lots of shots and losing the baddies without wasting film. But, I've got a ton of old Pentax glass, mostly old screwmount Takumars, but also some more recent AF zooms for my ZX-5N. So I went out today to look at am IST DS (or maybe a DL??) at the local camera shop just to see and feel the camera. I liked the feel, and might adapt to all the controls, but the whole lens thing has me stumped. I believe (but the salesman was not sure) that I can use all my old glass (screwmount with my adapter). But am not sure if a) there will be any metering at all, or b) whether I could use an aperture priority setting and set the aperture manually while the camera sets the exposure. Can y'all explain what would happen? I already answered this in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems But, just in case you missed the reply there, I said: Simple enough. Your AF lenses will work just fine - no problems - in P, Tv, Av M modes, with full aperture metering. Your screw-mount lenses will work with an adapter just as they did on your ZX-5n - you will be limited to Av M modes, and (because the lens will stop down immediately when you turn the aperture ring) metering will be done in stop-down metering mode. The camera wil happily select an appropriate exposure in Av mode. If you have any other manual focus K-mount lenses, the big question is whether the lens has an A setting on the aperture ring. If it does, everything will be fine (although, of course, you'll have to focus manually). Older lenses will have to be used in metered manual mode (not in Av mode) where you set the aperture by hand, and you have to tell the camera to set an exposure (which you do by pushing the AE-L button, whereupon the camera stops down the lens, takes a meter reading, selects an appropriate shutter speed, and opens the iris up again). and 28-300 would become almost a normal to tele lens with no wide angle at all. But the kit lens (18-55 I think) looks like junk and is not much in the tele department either. So then I'm back to carrying several lenses which can be a royal pain under some circs. How do y'all handle this? The 18-55 lens is by no means junk. There are several other lenses you might consider (14, 16-45, 12-24, 10-17 fisheye) at various price points, with a new f2.8 zoom due shortly. Personally I find a 28-105 a wonderful everyday lens on a small-sensor camera, but no two users are alike. And again, personally, I'd rather carry a bagfull of lenses than rely on a 10x superzoom to cover all eventualities. If I want to go light I'll take the 28-105, an 80-320, and a 50mm. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
- Original Message - From: chuck Subject: Wanting to Move to Digital I would like to move toward digital for a number of reasons, mostly the ability to take lots of shots and losing the baddies without wasting film. But, I've got a ton of old Pentax glass, mostly old screwmount Takumars, but also some more recent AF zooms for my ZX-5N. So I went out today to look at am IST DS (or maybe a DL??) at the local camera shop just to see and feel the camera. I liked the feel, and might adapt to all the controls, but the whole lens thing has me stumped. I believe (but the salesman was not sure) that I can use all my old glass (screwmount with my adapter). But am not sure if a) there will be any metering at all, or b) whether I could use an aperture priority setting and set the aperture manually while the camera sets the exposure. Can y'all explain what would happen? I'm also put off by the focal length conversion. My 28-105 and 28-300 would become almost a normal to tele lens with no wide angle at all. But the kit lens (18-55 I think) looks like junk and is not much in the tele department either. So then I'm back to carrying several lenses which can be a royal pain under some circs. How do y'all handle this? There aren't a lot of 24x36mm DSLRs out there, so get used to the new format. I don't know about the 18-55, though I have heard it is a decent performer from people whose opinions I have come to repect. I am willing to carry several lenses, to the point I only have one zoom lens, and wouldn't have it if I could have gotten a 10mm lens from Pentax. Some things are worth a little pain. Pretty much any Pentax lens will work on any Pentax DSLR, from screw mount on up to the most modern. You will get metering with all of them AFAIK, though non A lenses use a stop down AE metering method. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
Mr. Robb wrote: There aren't a lot of 24x36mm DSLRs out there, so get used to the new format. There's alot! Maybe only one model. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
Hi Chuck, All of your lenses will work on a Pentax digital. When using the takumar lenses, you'll have to shoot in manual mode and set the aperture on the lens. With a push of a button, the camera will then set the shutter speed. The field of view that your lenses produce will change. The 28-105 will have approximately the same fov as a 42-157. The kit lens is at least as good as the 28-105. It's not bad at all. Some of the other new Pentax wides, like the DA 14/2.8, the DA 16-45/4 and the DA 12-24/4 are very good glass. Go Pentax digital and enjoy. But you might want to wait for the K10 with 10 megapixels and in-camera image stability correction. It's going to be a nice piece. Paul On Aug 10, 2006, at 4:25 PM, chuck wrote: I would like to move toward digital for a number of reasons, mostly the ability to take lots of shots and losing the baddies without wasting film. But, I've got a ton of old Pentax glass, mostly old screwmount Takumars, but also some more recent AF zooms for my ZX-5N. So I went out today to look at am IST DS (or maybe a DL??) at the local camera shop just to see and feel the camera. I liked the feel, and might adapt to all the controls, but the whole lens thing has me stumped. I believe (but the salesman was not sure) that I can use all my old glass (screwmount with my adapter). But am not sure if a) there will be any metering at all, or b) whether I could use an aperture priority setting and set the aperture manually while the camera sets the exposure. Can y'all explain what would happen? I'm also put off by the focal length conversion. My 28-105 and 28-300 would become almost a normal to tele lens with no wide angle at all. But the kit lens (18-55 I think) looks like junk and is not much in the tele department either. So then I'm back to carrying several lenses which can be a royal pain under some circs. How do y'all handle this? thanks chuck -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
Tom C wrote: Mr. Robb wrote: There aren't a lot of 24x36mm DSLRs out there, so get used to the new format. There's alot! Maybe only one model. ;-) Tom C. Current: 5D, 1DsM2 Not-current: 1Ds, DCS-14n and -14c -Ryan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:35:58PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Chuck, All of your lenses will work on a Pentax digital. When using the takumar lenses, you'll have to shoot in manual mode and set the aperture on the lens. With a push of a button, the camera will then set the shutter speed. Not quite right, Paul. With the screw-mount lenses (plus the adapter, of course) *everything* is done stopped down; there's no coupling to the aperture iris. That means you can use Av, as well as metered manual; the camera meters and exposes at the selected aperture (rather than at full aperture on bayonet lenses). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
Ryan Brooks wrote: Tom C wrote: Mr. Robb wrote: There aren't a lot of 24x36mm DSLRs out there, so get used to the new format. There's alot! Maybe only one model. ;-) Tom C. Current: 5D, 1DsM2 Not-current: 1Ds, DCS-14n and -14c -Ryan Contax N Digital too, as a non-current model. Using the sensor that would have been in the MZ-D (Which heartily confirms the sagacity of Pentax's choice to kill the project). -Adam (As a note the Kodak's were the DCS-14n, DSC/n and DCS/c, the first two are essentially identical apart from a minor upgrade which was available to owners of the earlier model) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
On 11/08/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contax N Digital too, as a non-current model. Using the sensor that would have been in the MZ-D (Which heartily confirms the sagacity of Pentax's choice to kill the project). That's a long bow to draw, the issues pertaining to the failure of the Contax N Digital was far more complex than their choice of sensor. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
On Aug 10, 2006, at 11:31 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: That's a long bow to draw, the issues pertaining to the failure of the Contax N Digital was far more complex than their choice of sensor. Sure -- but didn't the miserable picture that it delivered really seal its fate? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
Yes, I noticed this in your earlier post. Good point and thanks for the correction. Paul On Aug 10, 2006, at 11:06 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:35:58PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Chuck, All of your lenses will work on a Pentax digital. When using the takumar lenses, you'll have to shoot in manual mode and set the aperture on the lens. With a push of a button, the camera will then set the shutter speed. Not quite right, Paul. With the screw-mount lenses (plus the adapter, of course) *everything* is done stopped down; there's no coupling to the aperture iris. That means you can use Av, as well as metered manual; the camera meters and exposes at the selected aperture (rather than at full aperture on bayonet lenses). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/08/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contax N Digital too, as a non-current model. Using the sensor that would have been in the MZ-D (Which heartily confirms the sagacity of Pentax's choice to kill the project). That's a long bow to draw, the issues pertaining to the failure of the Contax N Digital was far more complex than their choice of sensor. Oh, I'm well aware that wasn't the only major issue with the project, but the cost and performance issues with the sensor certainly played a major factor in the N Digital's lack of success. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
It's obvious, however, that Pentax had reason to kill the project. They didn't do it out of spite. Paul On Aug 10, 2006, at 11:31 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/08/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contax N Digital too, as a non-current model. Using the sensor that would have been in the MZ-D (Which heartily confirms the sagacity of Pentax's choice to kill the project). That's a long bow to draw, the issues pertaining to the failure of the Contax N Digital was far more complex than their choice of sensor. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
On 11/08/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's obvious, however, that Pentax had reason to kill the project. They didn't do it out of spite. But neither did they do it with the consideration, skill or dexterity that anyone would expect from a large company. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanting to Move to Digital
They just did what was necessary. What more could they do? I saw no reason to fault them. Paul On Aug 11, 2006, at 12:29 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 11/08/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's obvious, however, that Pentax had reason to kill the project. They didn't do it out of spite. But neither did they do it with the consideration, skill or dexterity that anyone would expect from a large company. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
