Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level?
Herb Chong wrote on 24.08.05 6:23: Nikon doubled their expected sales of the D2X and that helped them make more money than they thought they would, but that was still less than Canon. On the other side sales of D2X are much higher than of Canon's flagship - 1Ds mkII. Nikon needs an update for slightly obsolete D100, and rumours are saying that D200 should be shown on 1 september. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level?
as of last year, Canon made the most. Nikon the second most, both in terms of absolute dollars and in profit margin. Canon is the only one making money if you consider the digital PS camera divisions alone of all the players. Herb - Original Message - From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:14 AM Subject: Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? P.S.: seriously, though: didn't Pentax's profits drop forty-something percent recently? For whatever reason, Nikon appears to be one of the only major players making a LOT of profit.
Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level?
as of last year, Canon made the most. Nikon the second most, both in terms of absolute dollars and in profit margin. Canon is the only one making money if you consider the digital PS camera divisions alone of all the players. Ok, yeah, that was last year. I'm talking about more recent data, like this past quarter and whatnot. Next time I get updated info on this subject, I'll make sure to save it and post something about it here. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement.
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nothing has changed except that not everyone has announced their segment by segment breakdowns in the last couple of quarterly reports. Canon still makes more than Nikon in both absolute and profit margin in their camera divisions. the ones willing to break out compact vs DSLR have not made as much. Nikon doubled their expected sales of the D2X and that helped them make more money than they thought they would, but that was still less than Canon. Herb... - Original Message - From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? as of last year, Canon made the most. Nikon the second most, both in terms of absolute dollars and in profit margin. Canon is the only one making money if you consider the digital PS camera divisions alone of all the players. Ok, yeah, that was last year. I'm talking about more recent data, like this past quarter and whatnot. Next time I get updated info on this subject, I'll make sure to save it and post something about it here.
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Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement.
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What make either of these predictions possible. HOW do you guys know what Pentax will or will not do in the near or distant future? For example they have put out 4 different DSLRs in just the last 2 years. Who predicted or would have even guessed that would come from them? JCO -Original Message- From: John Celio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:36 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement.
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I guess someone doesn't understand the significance of the Ulan Bator show... John Celio wrote: Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. Really, you must pay more attention. It was on the notice board of the Ulan Bator Camera Club. салах ёс, баяртай! Bob
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John Celio wrote: Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. I think the next Ulan Bator show is scheduled for sometime in the year 2525. Perhaps the new digital body will incorporate many of the improvements announced in the 2000 Ulan Bator show: http://www.diaspoir.net/photography/totlpp.html Tom Reese
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I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. John Celio Isn't Ulan Bator two parsecs past the forseeable future? Powell
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Ulan Bator: When the temperature plummets to -30[degrees]C, the warmest place in Ulan Bator is the sewer. For the nearly 4,000 homeless children in Mongolia's capital, it is a stark choice: go underground or die. Kids crawl beneath the manhole covers to sleep, cook, play and try to make from this bleak netherworld a replacement for the homes they have escaped. Great place for a camera show! :) Tom C. From: Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:44:08 -0700 I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. John Celio Isn't Ulan Bator two parsecs past the forseeable future? Powell
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Tom C wrote: For the nearly 4,000 homeless children in Mongolia's capital, it is a stark choice: go underground or die. Kids crawl beneath the manhole covers to sleep, cook, play and try to make from this bleak netherworld a replacement for the homes they have escaped. That's pretty much what film shooters have to do. Tom Reese
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- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? I guess someone doesn't understand the significance of the Ulan Bator show... Sad how you can tell the oldtimers on the list by them understanding how significant the Ulan Bator show is. And WW for that matter William Robb
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- Original Message - From: John Celio Subject: Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb What leads you to believe this? Unless I've missed something, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Pentax will produce a dSLR with a 35mm-size sensor anytime in the forseeable future. Have you checked the dates for the next Ulan Bator show? William Robb
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What make either of these predictions possible. HOW do you guys know what Pentax will or will not do in the near or distant future? For example they have put out 4 different DSLRs in just the last 2 years. Who predicted or would have even guessed that would come from them? Ok, aside from the fact that I got taken by an inside joke (::grins, shakes fist::) I just don't think Pentax can afford the risk involved with putting out a 35mm-size-sensor'd dSLR. That's really the meat potatoes here, as some people say (mm, meat and potatoes). Plus there's the question of whether corner sharpness would be good enough with wide-angle lenses, but I think this whole 35mm-vs-APS-C horse has been beaten enough. John Celio P.S.: seriously, though: didn't Pentax's profits drop forty-something percent recently? For whatever reason, Nikon appears to be one of the only major players making a LOT of profit. -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement.
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John Forbes wrote: Mike, You're showing off! John Now _that_ pretty much sums up the English condition. Somebody uses the foreign for I dunno and they are accused of showing off. 8-) On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:51 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: tomecz na o2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/19 Fri PM 12:33:53 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Hallo, Czesc Tomasz, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. Nie wiem. 8-( It is not the matter that I want to buy one, but I suppose as an effect = of this prices of ist D/DS/DL will drop. Then more people can afford one = including me. Or maybe there are some other market-movements anticipated that will do = old dslr prices go down?=14 Nie wiem. 8-( tomek Prosze bardzo. Duzygrubymichal 8-)) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
When Pentax DSLR with better crop level?
Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. It is not the matter that I want to buy one, but I suppose as an effect = of this prices of ist D/DS/DL will drop. Then more people can afford one = including me. Or maybe there are some other market-movements anticipated that will do = old dslr prices go down?=14 tomek
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From: tomecz na o2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/19 Fri PM 12:33:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Hallo, Czesc Tomasz, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. Nie wiem. 8-( It is not the matter that I want to buy one, but I suppose as an effect = of this prices of ist D/DS/DL will drop. Then more people can afford one = including me. Or maybe there are some other market-movements anticipated that will do = old dslr prices go down?=14 Nie wiem. 8-( tomek Prosze bardzo. Duzygrubymichal 8-)) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level?
- Original Message - From: tomecz na o2 Subject: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. I expect they will introduce a full frame DSLR at the next Ulan Bator show. William Robb
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Pentax may never change the sensor size on their 35mm body style dslr cameras. But even if they don't there will ceertainly be higher resolution, faster buffer cameras. This will drive down the price of the current offerings. KEH is now offering a used DS for around 550 and a used D for about 750. They're in the catalog I received yesterday, although they may have sold by now. Paul On Aug 19, 2005, at 8:33 AM, tomecz na o2 wrote: Hallo, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. It is not the matter that I want to buy one, but I suppose as an effect = of this prices of ist D/DS/DL will drop. Then more people can afford one = including me. Or maybe there are some other market-movements anticipated that will do = old dslr prices go down?=14 tomek
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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:45:20 -0400 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Pentax may never change the sensor size on their 35mm body style dslr cameras. But even if they don't there will ceertainly be higher resolution, faster buffer cameras. This will drive down the price of the current offerings. KEH is now offering a used DS for around 550 and a used D for about 750. They're in the catalog I received yesterday, although they may have sold by now. Paul Buydig.com sells new DS for $563 with free shipping. I got mine 2 months ago from them for $629, had to exchange (the flash TTL was not working -- what are the chances?!) - but the exchange went smoothly and very fast, - without a word from them. So, despite my concerns about that place, I was satisfied with it. Igor PS. I am neither associated with nor profit from Buydig.com (except for their published low price for the aforementioned purchase).
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Mike, You're showing off! John On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:37:51 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: tomecz na o2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/19 Fri PM 12:33:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level? Hallo, Czesc Tomasz, question for those who keep close in touch with digital-camera-market. = When there may appear on the market Pentax DSLR with better than 1.5 = crop. Nie wiem. 8-( It is not the matter that I want to buy one, but I suppose as an effect = of this prices of ist D/DS/DL will drop. Then more people can afford one = including me. Or maybe there are some other market-movements anticipated that will do = old dslr prices go down?=14 Nie wiem. 8-( tomek Prosze bardzo. Duzygrubymichal 8-)) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005
