Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
2010/3/16 Boris Liberman : >> 2010/3/16 Boris Liberman: >>> I use it fairly often when photographing kids in Galia's class - it >>> eliminates >>> eye shadows, adds a bit of sprinkle to the eyes and generally is useful. >> >> Um... >> Cry a lot, do they? :-) >> > > Oh... After fifth reading of your message I see your humour, mista... Well, > I can make them cry if I buy a strong power pack and shoot at 5fps ;-). You could also attach a hose and a shower head to your flash, I guess. Could be nice in summer, you know. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
On 3/16/2010 1:03 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/3/16 Boris Liberman: I use it fairly often when photographing kids in Galia's class - it eliminates eye shadows, adds a bit of sprinkle to the eyes and generally is useful. Um... Cry a lot, do they? :-) Jostein Oh... After fifth reading of your message I see your humour, mista... Well, I can make them cry if I buy a strong power pack and shoot at 5fps ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
I've never used a Metz, but I used to have a Cullman with a second reflector. I found this handy. Not for catch light, but to avoid raccoon eyes when bouncing flash from above the subject. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/3/8 Igor Roshchin : > > > Hi All, > > I was trying to place an order for a Pentax AF 540 FGZ flash, when > I discovered that Metz 58 AF-1PS costs just $15 more. > > I've never had experience with any Metz flashes. > Two main concerns that I have: > 1. From what I read, all control is done via "soft" buttons, - e.g. > via contextual menus. How ergonomic/cumbersome is it? > > 2. Have you had any issues with the compatibility with Pentax bodies > (e.g. metering reproducibility, functionality, etc.)? > > Additionally: > 3. How useful is the second reflector (source) when you tilt/swivel > the flash head? > > I will need to place an order soon (Sunday, maybe Monday), so > I would appreciate your quick responses. > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
2010/3/16 Boris Liberman : > I use it fairly often when photographing kids in Galia's class - it > eliminates > eye shadows, adds a bit of sprinkle to the eyes and generally is useful. Um... Cry a lot, do they? :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
On 3/8/2010 2:55 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Additionally: 3. How useful is the second reflector (source) when you tilt/swivel the flash head? My old Metz 40MZ-2 (or something like this) has a secondary light source. It also has two slide on gray filters to control the output of this source. I use it fairly often when photographing kids in Galia's class - it eliminates eye shadows, adds a bit of sprinkle to the eyes and generally is useful. It is especially useful when tilting/swiveling the flash because in my case it usually means underexposure due to specifics of the way this flash integrates with my camera. HTH Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
I have both of these also; I'd find it hard to split them, they both perform well. The secondary reflector is handy for catchlights, esp. when you can't use the bounce card thing because you're bouncing off a wall at an odd angle. I don't really find either menu system particularly more difficult to use. The Metz will go down to 1/256 power, in 1/3rd steps - the Pentax only 1/64. Not relevant for 'normal' use, but can be handy for in-close off camera flash. Both work fine in Pentax wireless mode. The Metz full-power flash duration is 1/125 - so if you're shooting at 1/180 full sync, you can't get quite the quoted power out of it - not by a lot, but you can see a difference in tests. I don't think this is the case with the Pentax. Both work in HSS, not sure on power levels here. - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
Tomek and Jostein, Thanks a lot for sharing your opinions! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
2010/3/8 Igor Roshchin : > Since you have both, > if you were choosing between Metz 58A and Pentax 540 FGZ - > which one and why would you choose? Actually I like the Metz best, partly because of the extra tube for CC. Since I got the Pentax back I haven't tested them head to head, so I dunno about the consistency of the respective main tubes, though. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
Jostein, Thank you for your response. Since you have both, if you were choosing between Metz 58A and Pentax 540 FGZ - which one and why would you choose? Thank you, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
Over here the Metz is cheaper than the Pentax. I have both because I had to buy a replacement for the Pentax, then got the Pentax repaired anyway. 1. Can't say the menu stuff bothers me. Depends on how much you need to fiddle. 2. I have only used it on K-7. It works fine there. 3. AFAIK there's only one bounce reflector, which is useless when working in portrait mode. The extra flash tube can be considered to replace the camera built-in flash for contrast control. The only times you _want_ to use this feature is when you do tilt/swivel. In my experience, it works best when set to the lowest output. General impression is that this device is solidly made, and delivering consistent blinks. 2010/3/8 Igor Roshchin : > > > Hi All, > > I was trying to place an order for a Pentax AF 540 FGZ flash, when > I discovered that Metz 58 AF-1PS costs just $15 more. > > I've never had experience with any Metz flashes. > Two main concerns that I have: > 1. From what I read, all control is done via "soft" buttons, - e.g. > via contextual menus. How ergonomic/cumbersome is it? > > 2. Have you had any issues with the compatibility with Pentax bodies > (e.g. metering reproducibility, functionality, etc.)? > > Additionally: > 3. How useful is the second reflector (source) when you tilt/swivel > the flash head? > > I will need to place an order soon (Sunday, maybe Monday), so > I would appreciate your quick responses. > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: urgently need impression about Metz flash
On 08-03-2010 01:55, Igor Roshchin wrote: Additionally: 3. How useful is the second reflector (source) when you tilt/swivel the flash head? I haven't used the new "USB" Metz flashes, so can't comment on AF58 usability, but I used several of the earlier big (40MZ.., 54MZ..) models on Pentax bodies before going dark side, and was very happy with them. Not with P-TTL itself though :) The secondary flash might be used to create eye catchlights in close-up portraits (when you have absolutely no other choice but to do close portraits with on camera flash :), not for much else. You can safely ignore this feature. Fill light from this tiny reflector was either too weak or too harsh, coming from small in-lens-axis source. Difficult to control, unpredictable, pretty useless IMO. A business card sized piece of whatever white (usualy card sized white back of a card :) rubber-banded to tilted main reflector seems to be much more reliable as fill-in/catchlight. cheers tm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
urgently need impression about Metz flash
Hi All, I was trying to place an order for a Pentax AF 540 FGZ flash, when I discovered that Metz 58 AF-1PS costs just $15 more. I've never had experience with any Metz flashes. Two main concerns that I have: 1. From what I read, all control is done via "soft" buttons, - e.g. via contextual menus. How ergonomic/cumbersome is it? 2. Have you had any issues with the compatibility with Pentax bodies (e.g. metering reproducibility, functionality, etc.)? Additionally: 3. How useful is the second reflector (source) when you tilt/swivel the flash head? I will need to place an order soon (Sunday, maybe Monday), so I would appreciate your quick responses. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
