Re: Decaying Capitalist Economy
Greetings, On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Dave Markland wrote: Shawgi wrote: The other major problem caused by the basic internal contradiction is that private ownership of the means of production determines that the motive behind production is the creation of maximum capitalist profit. (snip) As long as there is class society, as long as there is private ownership of the means of production there cannot be efficient use of the productive forces. The lesson of Yugoslavia shows us the problem with such statements (as well as the myopia of "Market Socialism"). They eliminated private ownership but kept the market, resulting in the inefficiencies of that social construct. further, the market deepened class divisions in society. Regards, dave Shawgi wrote: Dave, I don't understand your observation here. I was pointing to the dubiousness of an assertion like "as long as there is private ownership of the means of production there cannot be efficient use of the productive forces". In a system of Market Socialism (which I know you did not mention, but it helps illustrate my point), there is no private ownership but we don't see "efficient use of productive forces". Thus, eliminating private ownership is at best a necessary, but not sufficient cause of efficient use of productive forces. Sorry for the confusion- i was trying to keep it short. Regards, Dave Ok, Dave. Thanks for the clarification. Shawgi Tell Graduate School of Education University at Buffalo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Decaying Capitalist Economy
Greetings, On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Dave Markland wrote: Shawgi wrote: The other major problem caused by the basic internal contradiction is that private ownership of the means of production determines that the motive behind production is the creation of maximum capitalist profit. (snip) As long as there is class society, as long as there is private ownership of the means of production there cannot be efficient use of the productive forces. The lesson of Yugoslavia shows us the problem with such statements (as well as the myopia of "Market Socialism"). They eliminated private ownership but kept the market, resulting in the inefficiencies of that social construct. further, the market deepened class divisions in society. Regards, dave Dave, I don't understand your observation here. The passages you abstracted from my post say nothing about so-called "market socialism." In fact, my entire post says nothing about "market socialism." Basically, the post brings to the fore the objective features of capitalist society, a form of class society, and the basic contradiction of capitalism (social labor, private ownership) which is demanding resolution. It points to how and why capitalism is decaying and the need for abolishing capitalist private property and ushering in socialist society by harmonizing the forces and relations of production. Throughout the post the need for scientific planning of the economy, for calculated human intervention in the economy and for doing away with the reckless operation of the law of value are highlighted. The point is also made that classes and not only the exploitation of persons by persons must be abolished. The so-called "free market" is exposed for what it is: a euphemism for the anarchy of production inherent to capitalism. Shawgi Tell Graduate School of Education University at Buffalo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Decaying Capitalist Economy
Shawgi wrote: The other major problem caused by the basic internal contradiction is that private ownership of the means of production determines that the motive behind production is the creation of maximum capitalist profit. (snip) As long as there is class society, as long as there is private ownership of the means of production there cannot be efficient use of the productive forces. The lesson of Yugoslavia shows us the problem with such statements (as well as the myopia of "Market Socialism"). They eliminated private ownership but kept the market, resulting in the inefficiencies of that social construct. further, the market deepened class divisions in society. Regards, dave Shawgi wrote: Dave, I don't understand your observation here. I was pointing to the dubiousness of an assertion like "as long as there is private ownership of the means of production there cannot be efficient use of the productive forces". In a system of Market Socialism (which I know you did not mention, but it helps illustrate my point), there is no private ownership but we don't see "efficient use of productive forces". Thus, eliminating private ownership is at best a necessary, but not sufficient cause of efficient use of productive forces. Sorry for the confusion- i was trying to keep it short. Regards, Dave
Re: Decaying Capitalist Economy
The other major problem caused by the basic internal contradiction is that private ownership of the means of production determines that the motive behind production is the creation of maximum capitalist profit. (snip) As long as there is class society, as long as there is private ownership of the means of production there cannot be efficient use of the productive forces. The lesson of Yugoslavia shows us the problem with such statements (as well as the myopia of "Market Socialism"). They eliminated private ownership but kept the market, resulting in the inefficiencies of that social construct. further, the market deepened class divisions in society. Regards, dave
