Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 08:58:14PM -0400, David Golden wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK)
>  wrote:
> > It seems we are picking up the gauntlet, and it will happen in
> > Paris. :-)
> >
> > The current local team is very small: it's just myself and
> > Laurent Boivin.
> 
> Hooray! And thank you!

Oui, merci bien!

> > We have two possible venues:
> >  ** Carrefour Numérique, Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie **
> >    Price: free
> >
> >  ** La Cantine **
> >    Price: we have a quote for 5700 EUR for the three days
> 
> I vote for "free", particularly since I would guess that hotels on the
> outskirts are less expensive as well.  I don't mind the limited
> opening hours of Carrefour Numérique, as we can always reconvene at
> the hotel after dinner for evening hacking.

The biggest problem would seem to be the limit of 30 people.  Or is it?
Have we hit 30 people the last couple of times?

La Cantine would seem to be dependant on finding generous sponsors.

> > We will have a weekly meeting on #perl-qa (irc.perl.org), every
> > Thursday at 13:00, for 15 minutes.
> 
> Time zone?

I suppose that that would be CET, which is UTC+1.

-- 
Paul Johnson - p...@pjcj.net
http://www.pjcj.net

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

[Philippe Bruhat (BooK)]

On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 08:24:44AM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 08:58:14PM -0400, David Golden wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK)
> >  wrote:
> 
> > > We have two possible venues:
> > >  ** Carrefour Numérique, Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie **
> > >    Price: free
> > >
> > >  ** La Cantine **
> > >    Price: we have a quote for 5700 EUR for the three days
> > 
> > I vote for "free", particularly since I would guess that hotels on the
> > outskirts are less expensive as well.  I don't mind the limited
> > opening hours of Carrefour Numérique, as we can always reconvene at
> > the hotel after dinner for evening hacking.
> 
> The biggest problem would seem to be the limit of 30 people.  Or is it?
> Have we hit 30 people the last couple of times?
> 

I think we were 29 in Amsterdam. As far as I remember, Vienna and
Birmingham had less that 30 people too.

> La Cantine would seem to be dependant on finding generous sponsors.
> 

And if we had generous sponsors, I'd favor inviting more people from
far away than going to the trendy place (which would be perfect if it
were free).

> > > We will have a weekly meeting on #perl-qa (irc.perl.org), every
> > > Thursday at 13:00, for 15 minutes.
> > 
> > Time zone?
> 
> I suppose that that would be CET, which is UTC+1.
> 

I knew I forgot something. :-)

Yes, timezone of the hackathon location, which is Europe/Paris, or UTC+1
until the last Sunday of March (March 25), when we will switch to CEST,
or UTC+2.

-- 
 Philippe Bruhat (BooK)

 No matter how you dress a cow, it still gives milk.
(Moral from Groo The Wanderer #46 (Epic))

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

[Steffen Schwigon]

"Philippe Bruhat (BooK)"  writes:
> Here are some news about the Perl QA Hackathon 2012.

Yay, thanks!

>   ** Carrefour Numérique, Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie **
>
> Dates: Friday March 30 - Sunday April 1st, 2012
> Price: free
> Seats: 30
> Rooms: 1
> 
> [vs.]
> 
>   ** La Cantine **
>
> Dates: Friday March 30 - Sunday April 1st, 2012
> Price: we have a quote for 5700 EUR for the three days
>(this includes a 50% discount)
> Seats: up to 50
> Rooms: 3 to 4 available

I am in in both cases. However:

 - By price I prefer the “free” one “Carrefour Numérique”.
 - By everything else I prefer “La Cantine”. We should try
   getting sponsors for this.


Thanks!

Kind regards,
Steffen 
-- 
Steffen Schwigon 
Dresden Perl Mongers 

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

[David E. Wheeler]

On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:58 AM, Steffen Schwigon wrote:

>>Dates: Friday March 30 - Sunday April 1st, 2012
>>Price: we have a quote for 5700 EUR for the three days
>>   (this includes a 50% discount)
>>Seats: up to 50
>>Rooms: 3 to 4 available
> 
> I am in in both cases. However:
> 
> - By price I prefer the “free” one “Carrefour Numérique”.
> - By everything else I prefer “La Cantine”. We should try
>   getting sponsors for this.

Doubt that I can make it, but I’ll chime in anyway.

• Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie is a terrific place. I took my daughter 
to Cité des enfants a couple of times when we were in France for six weeks in 
2008. It was easy to get to via the metro from central Paris, too.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/theory/sets/72157612509742722/

• That said, nothing beats being in central Paris. But €5700 does seem pretty 
steep.

Either option would be awesome, from the sound of it.

Best,

David

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

[Nicholas Clark]

On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 09:54:12AM -0700, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> ? Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie is a terrific place. I took my daughter 
> to Cité des enfants a couple of times when we were in France for six weeks in 
> 2008. It was easy to get to via the metro from central Paris, too.

It's walkable from la Gare du Nord. It's not exactly outskirts either.

(Google says 40 minutes. That's certainly within my scale of walkable,
although likely I'd prefer other transport in one hit. But I remember that
when I went to Les Journées Perl 2004, I was staying in a hotel roughly
midway, so walked to it from Gare du Nord, and walked from the hotel to
the venue)

I like things that are convenient for la Gare du Nord. I'm biased :-)

Nicholas Clark

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

[David Golden]

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK)
 wrote:
> Yes, timezone of the hackathon location, which is Europe/Paris, or UTC+1
> until the last Sunday of March (March 25), when we will switch to CEST,
> or UTC+2.

OK. I'll offer my apologies in advance as that's 0700 here -- aka
"time to get the kids up".

-- David

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

[Ricardo Signes]

* "Philippe Bruhat (BooK)"  [2011-11-03T20:25:25]
> Here are some news about the Perl QA Hackathon 2012.

I have very little to offer other than:  Good luck, this all sounds fantastic,
and I hope I can make it!  As others have said, the very expensive venue sounds
very nice, but even if somebody wanted to give us €6000, I bet we'd find other
things we'd rather fund than a different venue.  But I'm not very invested in
either choice, and am sure we'll have an excellent environment no matter what,
just because of the team.

-- 
rjbs

Re: Document the delegator or the delegated?

[Michael G Schwern]

On 2011.11.3 8:44 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> When doing delegation I have a documentation dilemma: do the API docs go in
> the delegator or the delegate?

To answer my own question, I've decided to do the best of both worlds.

I will document each object's native methods in it's own .pm file, which is
easiest to maintain.

Then a tool will extract the relevant bits of EventCoordinator's (the
delegate) docs and insert them into TestState's (the delegator) docs.  The
result will be written as TestState.pod which `perldoc
Test::Builder2::TestState` will display before it goes looking in TestState.pm.

I know Pod::Weaver and Pod::Elemental can do this sort of thing, but their
docs are pretty sparse.  Someone want to tackle it?
https://github.com/schwern/test-more/issues/172


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