Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 06:15:54PM +0200, K Stol wrote: | It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this | stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in | others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served | choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... | | The system sends a 'message' to the user program, telling it has | finished (for example) Disk I/O. The aged Windows API does things as 'message queues'. Windows keeps a message queue for every running application. An application calls GetMessage to retrieve each message. As I recall, each message is a triple: a message-code, a word-parameter, and a long-parameter which is often a pointer when the simple word-parameter is not sufficient. An application then can choose to pass-up on the message, leading to a default implementation by calling DispatchMessage. It can also PostMessage to add a message to a particular application/thread's event queue. SendMessage is the blocking version of PostMessage. Anyway, if this is close to what you mean by 'event', then I'd consider calling it a 'message' and lifting as must of the Windows message-queue design pattern as seems appropriate. Clark
RE: Events (I think we need a new name)
How about: tocsin toc.sin( P ) Pronunciation Key (tksn) n. An alarm sounded on a bell. A bell used to sound an alarm. A warning; an omen. -Original Message- From: Gordon Henriksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Events (I think we need a new name) Matt Fowles wrote: I think Page already has a different meaning in computers, namely a page of memory. Not to mention a web page. For what it is worth, I support event as the name. Being as I think I'm largely responsible for the sense that the name needs to be changed, I should point out that I do actually support calling these events--so long as they're modified to play nice with OS event loops. Upon reflection, that just requires a means to synchronously dispatch an event to a handler chain from a C callback. -- Gordon Henriksen IT Manager ICLUBcentral Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this e-mail message is privileged and/or confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (330-668-5000), and destroy the original message. Thank you.
RE: Events (I think we need a new name)
It seems the name 'event' is not as bad. So, maybe 'Pevent', stands for 'parrot event'? One advantage... it'd be easy searchable. I recall a pain whenever I searched for 'thread', or 'Icon'. Regards, Waldemar -Original Message- From: Dan Sugalski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Events (I think we need a new name) Okay, so I'm working on redoing the events document based on the critiques from folks so far. (Which have been quite helpful) I should have a second draft of the thing soon. It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... -- Dan --it's like this--- Dan Sugalski even samurai [EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk
RE: Events (I think we need a new name) - Parcel?
I LOVE IT: PARrot Container for Event Lobbing!!! -Original Message- From: Andy Wardley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:36 AM To: Butler, Gerald Cc: 'Gordon Henriksen'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: Events (I think we need a new name) - Parcel? Butler, Gerald wrote: How about: tocsin [...thinking out loud...] I'm not sure it's a good idea to use an obscure word, even if it is appropriate to the usage. It should be a word that the average user would recognise, and hopefully be able to intuit some sense of what it does. How about Parcel? Like Packet and Message it provides a sense of what it is doing. The metaphor extends to sending and receiving parcels, wrapping and unwrapping them, and so on. On a more trivial note, the first three letters make it a prime candidate for a corny acronym: PARrot Communication Event Layer PARrot Container for Event Lobbing PARrot Commissioner for Event Liaison A The information contained in this e-mail message is privileged and/or confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (330-668-5000), and destroy the original message. Thank you.
Re: Events (I think we need a new name) - Parcel?
Butler, Gerald wrote: How about: tocsin [...thinking out loud...] I'm not sure it's a good idea to use an obscure word, even if it is appropriate to the usage. It should be a word that the average user would recognise, and hopefully be able to intuit some sense of what it does. How about Parcel? Like Packet and Message it provides a sense of what it is doing. The metaphor extends to sending and receiving parcels, wrapping and unwrapping them, and so on. On a more trivial note, the first three letters make it a prime candidate for a corny acronym: PARrot Communication Event Layer PARrot Container for Event Lobbing PARrot Commissioner for Event Liaison A
RE: Events (I think we need a new name)
On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 06:27, Rachwal Waldemar-AWR001 wrote: It seems the name 'event' is not as bad. So, maybe 'Pevent', stands for 'parrot event'? One advantage... it'd be easy searchable. I recall a pain whenever I searched for 'thread', or 'Icon'. If you're talking about search engines, then of course parrot event works just fine. If you're talking about searching your code, then that's another matter. -- Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Engineer and Toolsmith It's the sound of a satellite saying, 'get me down!' -Shriekback
Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
Dan Sugalski wrote: Okay, so I'm working on redoing the events document based on the critiques from folks so far. (Which have been quite helpful) I should have a second draft of the thing soon. It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... Page? It's overloaded, but only in ways that should be context-disambaguatable. AFAIK it has no similar meaning in a technical sense, but does in a lay sense (it's what you get over the PA system, or on your pager). When you're the boss, you can say read this file for me, and send me a page as soon as you're done. When you're the grunt, you get paged whenever somebody wants you to do something. When you've really p... annoyed somebody, they might send you a page every 3 minutes, on the dot. You can send pages, you can receive them. Sometimes they're solicited, and you know they're comming. You can even ask for a wake-up page. Oh, and if your pager is set to vibrate, and you aren't wearing it, you need to check every so often, or you'll miss pages. -=- James Mastros
Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
All~ I think Page already has a different meaning in computers, namely a page of memory. This one might be going to far afield for names. For what it is worth, I support event as the name. Matt James Mastros wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: Okay, so I'm working on redoing the events document based on the critiques from folks so far. (Which have been quite helpful) I should have a second draft of the thing soon. It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... Page? It's overloaded, but only in ways that should be context-disambaguatable. AFAIK it has no similar meaning in a technical sense, but does in a lay sense (it's what you get over the PA system, or on your pager). When you're the boss, you can say read this file for me, and send me a page as soon as you're done. When you're the grunt, you get paged whenever somebody wants you to do something. When you've really p... annoyed somebody, they might send you a page every 3 minutes, on the dot. You can send pages, you can receive them. Sometimes they're solicited, and you know they're comming. You can even ask for a wake-up page. Oh, and if your pager is set to vibrate, and you aren't wearing it, you need to check every so often, or you'll miss pages. -=- James Mastros
RE: Events (I think we need a new name)
Matt Fowles wrote: I think Page already has a different meaning in computers, namely a page of memory. Not to mention a web page. For what it is worth, I support event as the name. Being as I think I'm largely responsible for the sense that the name needs to be changed, I should point out that I do actually support calling these events--so long as they're modified to play nice with OS event loops. Upon reflection, that just requires a means to synchronously dispatch an event to a handler chain from a C callback. -- Gordon Henriksen IT Manager ICLUBcentral Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
On 12 May 2004, at 17:38, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote: It's Parrot telling you that something happened. Squawk? Mike
Events (I think we need a new name)
Okay, so I'm working on redoing the events document based on the critiques from folks so far. (Which have been quite helpful) I should have a second draft of the thing soon. It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... -- Dan --it's like this--- Dan Sugalski even samurai [EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk
Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
Dan Sugalski wrote: Okay, so I'm working on redoing the events document based on the critiques from folks so far. (Which have been quite helpful) I should have a second draft of the thing soon. It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... I was thinking of message: The system sends a 'message' to the user program, telling it has finished (for example) Disk I/O. but oh well, that may introduce yet another name collission (in networking terms). Just a thought :-) Klaas-Jan
Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
Dan Sugalski wrote: It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... Notice? (Too similar to 'notification'?) Message? (Don't really like it, and the term's loaded by ObjC, etc.) Announcement? Really, though, these sound like events to me. It's Parrot telling you that something happened. That's an event in my mind. -- Brent Dax Royal-Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl and Parrot hacker Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
RE: Events (I think we need a new name)
Dan Sugalski wrote: It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... incident? it's synonymous with event, but it's not usually something of importance. also synonymous with problem in business-speak. occurrence? it doesn't roll off the tongue, but i think of an event as an occurrence worth mentioning, an important occurrence. ~jerry ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for whom it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, distribute, or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information; and delete it from your system. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance.
Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:08, Dan Sugalski wrote: It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... How about skippy? Seriously, I would say that event is about as abstract as it comes. Even the proposed message is, in some ways, LESS abstract. What's the specific sort of case events don't seem to cover? The setting of a property? -- Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Engineer and Toolsmith It's the sound of a satellite saying, 'get me down!' -Shriekback
Re: Events (I think we need a new name)
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 12:08:08PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: Okay, so I'm working on redoing the events document based on the critiques from folks so far. (Which have been quite helpful) I should have a second draft of the thing soon. It does, though, sound like we might want an alternate name for this stuff. While event is the right thing in some places it isn't in others (like the whole attribute/property mess) we may be well-served choosing another name. I'm open to suggestions here... I suggest hap.http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hap Tim. 7 entries found for hap. hap( P ) Pronunciation Key (hp) n. 1. Fortune; chance. 2. A happening; an occurrence. intr.v. happed, hap·ping, haps To happen. [Middle English, from Old Norse happ. See kob- in Indo-European Roots.] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition hap \Hap\, v. t. [OE. happen.] To clothe; to wrap. The surgeon happed her up carefully. --Dr. J. Brown. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. hap \Hap\, n. [Cf. Hap to clothe.] A cloak or plaid. [O. Eng. Scot.] Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. hap \Hap\, n. [Icel. happ unexpected good luck. [root]39.] That which happens or comes suddenly or unexpectedly; also, the manner of occurrence or taking place; chance; fortune; accident; casual event; fate; luck; lot. --Chaucer. Whether art it was or heedless hap. --Spenser. Cursed be good haps, and cursed be they that build Their hopes on haps. --Sir P. Sidney. Loving goes by haps: Some Cupid kills with arrows, some with traps. --Shak. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. hap \Hap\, v. i. [OE. happen. See Hap chance, and cf. Happen.] To happen; to befall; to chance. --Chaucer. Sends word of all that haps in Tyre. --Shak. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. hap n : an accidental happening; he recorded all the little haps and mishaps of his life v : come to pass; occur: What is happening?; The meeting took place off without an incidence; Nothing occurred that seemed important [syn: happen, go on, pass off, occur, pass, come about, take place] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
