Please, behave nice and stick to the subject.
Mailing list is not the place for this kind of talk.
Sincerely,
Dusan
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Fernando Pianegiani
fernando.pianegi...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear David, Nicklas,
I think that this is not the right place where to discuss about this topic,
but I have to try to give you an answer.
PostgreSQL is not only open source, like MySQL is, but also free. This
means that people who don't develop neither a line of code of PostgreSQL (or
just some few lines of it) can use it to do what they want, even money,
without having the obligation to provide back 1 cent to the PostgreSQL
community. That's incredible I know, but it is so. And why? I don't know
exactly, but I know that there are several reasons that are not very
transparent. I can try to give my interpretation hopping that it is the
real one or in any case thinking that it should be the correct one. If
people who develop PostgreSQL make it free, people who don't develop
PostgreSQL but who use it for their research projects or business can make
available the results of their projects also to the developers of
PostgreSQL, but overall to the worldwide community. And so, in case for
example a developer of PostgreSQL or any other person should have a health
problem, he can hope that his hospital uses the results of a research
project got also with the help of PostgreSQL or of some other free
technology.
I think the previous one is the philosophy that should be behind the words
open source and free. In all the other cases there are in my opinion
interests that should be better clarified.
If we do something for free for other people, then they can do something
for other people using for free our results, and so on...the alternatives
are under our eyes, that is the jungle of the market and the worldwide
crisis. So David, don't worry for my activity of research, instead you
should be seriously preoccupied if you do business. Moreover, the fact that
my project ended could be in case an additional problem for both of us and
not only if we should have problems of health strictly inherent to the
results of research coming from a possible development of my old project.
Obviously, I hope no for all of us. :-)
David, Nicklas, if you make money by using PostgreSQL and you want to be
really honest (as you claim honesty from me and from my work activity),
please count that money and give the right percentage of it to the
PostgreSQL community, but considering also who spent more time, resources
like electric power, computer hardware, etc. than the others in developing
it. In this way if you develop PostgreSQL, then you too can get your right
percentage from you and from the other developers.
Dear Scott, Niklas, you are right, the components and the resources
necessary to manufacture the solutions developed within the arduino project
are not for free. Only the schematics, the gerbers, etc. are for free.
Finally, the world is full of companies that make available for free their
hardware/software/human resources. Probably also you use them every day for
free (e.g., the media in general) or you store your data for free in part of
those resources (facebook, youtube, just to do general examples), but those
resources are not really for free, those companies find the way to gain a
lot of money with the fact that you access to their resources.
In any case, excuse me if I have hurted your's feelings. My intention was
not to ask for a free hosting platform (free stuff, etc.) to the PostgreSQL
community, but I simply asked if the community knows anybody who provides a
service of free hosting, supposing that in some way the provider of that
hosting service would have earned his right income from me in some way (e.g.
a banner installed on my PC or other similar business). Fortunately up to
now I have never asked for charity dear David and I hope to have not to do
it in the future.
Have a good dinner!
Fernando
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:35 PM, David Johnston pol...@yahoo.com wrote:
Since this thread is already top-post...
One of the reasons software can be free is because people are able to
make money doing things like hosting and consulting.
If you are looking for charity because you are poor, or what you want to
do has little commercial value, you would be wise to propose what it is you
want to actually accomplish and the specific resources you likely need.
Showing effort on your part will project professionalism as opposed to the
free-loader personality that you show when you simply ask for free stuff.
Simply pointing out that you need to eat as the reason why you need free
hosting makes you look foolish. The fact that you cross-posted projects
disrespect for the very communities providing the free stuff you want to
use.
I'm sorry your research GRANT expired but you should focus on either
obtaining a new grant or how to earn a regular
