Re: [GENERAL] vista failed to install postgresql
douglas wrote: the binary , wouldn't start service, install ended then and there . Did you check the event viewer to see what the service startup error was? Did you look at the log file PostgreSQL created to see if there were any errors produced? Do you have a virus scanner installed? If so, which one? -- Craig Ringer -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
[GENERAL] vista failed to install postgresql
tried to install postgresql on vista ultimate, with uac turned off,( install user belongs to administrators group) tried the binary install and then the source install with mingw the binary , wouldn't start service, install ended then and there . the source with mingw gave me an error 2 is there some someone who has done this successfully? How did they do it?
Re: [GENERAL] vista failed to install postgresql
Excuse the top-post... Normally it works fine, but we have recently seen cases like yours which we've been unable to reproduce. Noone has tried their own build yet though, so hopefully you may be able to help us figure it out. Did you get the mingw build to initdb, or is that what failed? If so, can you rebuild with debugging enabled, and try to figure out where it exits? It may help to add a dummy atexit hook to break in and get a backtrace from. Thanks, Dave On 5/28/09, douglas dougl...@computerstuffnow.com wrote: tried to install postgresql on vista ultimate, with uac turned off,( install user belongs to administrators group) tried the binary install and then the source install with mingw the binary , wouldn't start service, install ended then and there . the source with mingw gave me an error 2 is there some someone who has done this successfully? How did they do it? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
[GENERAL] Vista Home Premium Installation troubles...
Hello all, I am [a newbie] trying to install postgres on a machine with a Windows Vista Home Premium OS. All appears to be going well until the very end when it tellme it cannot create user psostgress rolls back the installation. I get the following error message at the end of my intallation my log file: MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:095]: Note: 1: 1708 MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:095]: Note: 1: 2205 2: 3: Error MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:095]: Note: 1: 2228 2: 3: Error 4: SELECT `Message` FROM `Error` WHERE `Error` = 1708 MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:095]: Note: 1: 2205 2: 3: Error MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:095]: Note: 1: 2228 2: 3: Error 4: SELECT `Message` FROM `Error` WHERE `Error` = 1709 MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:095]: Product: PostgreSQL 8.2 -- Installation failed. MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:095]: Windows Installer installed the product. Product Name: PostgreSQL 8.2. Product Version: 8.2. Product Language: 1033. Installation success or error status: 1603. MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:110]: Grabbed execution mutex. MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:110]: Cleaning up uninstalled install packages, if any exist MSI (c) (08:30) [18:10:14:110]: MainEngineThread is returning 1603 Does anyone know what I need to change to make it work? Thanks in advance, Holly _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Am 2006-09-19 21:26:16, schrieb Naz Gassiep: The scratch your own itch line can only be pushed so far, if it is being said by a developer who works on a project that desires to be taken seriously by professionals in industry. For minor features, yes, perhaps it could be argued that the core team could ignore certain issues, and just wait for a patch. For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I'm used to getting that line when talking to 2 developer obscure projects that have a userbase of a half a dozen, but for a project like PostgreSQL, the they tell you to do it yourself brush is one we do NOT want to get tarred with. But who sponsor a Vista machine? (Dualboot is no solution) Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [GENERAL] vista
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 10:26 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Naz Gassiep [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I was responding to someone who is obviously a Windows beta tester and therefore presumably has more clue than the average Windows-oid --- asking for a patch didn't seem unreasonable. But for arguments like the above, I will happily say apparently you've confused me with someone who gives a damn about Windows. regards, tom lane Where can I buy a little plastic statue of Tom Lane for my dashboard? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Andrew Kelly wrote: On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 10:26 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Naz Gassiep [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I was responding to someone who is obviously a Windows beta tester and therefore presumably has more clue than the average Windows-oid --- asking for a patch didn't seem unreasonable. But for arguments like the above, I will happily say apparently you've confused me with someone who gives a damn about Windows. regards, tom lane Where can I buy a little plastic statue of Tom Lane for my dashboard? You mean the one with the hula skirt? -- Until later, Geoffrey Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Well, we are entirely ready to accept patches from any Windows Vista beta testers who are able to find and fix portability issues. It's the folks who think that non-Windows-using developers should care about Vista that bug me. This is open-source code, people. Scratch your own itch. One issue I've found in installation is that you are unable to create the user postgresql (and yes, I have run it in Administrator mode) What error, exactly, did you get? Can you please open a bug for it on http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pginstaller, as this is clearly an installer issue and not a backend issue. Did it work well once you had created the user manually? //Magnus ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [GENERAL] vista
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Lane Sent: 19 September 2006 05:43 To: Ron Johnson Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] vista Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 09/18/06 22:32, Joshua D. Drake wrote: John Meyer wrote: has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? It's not out yet ;) Release Candidates are, for the very purpose of allowing ISVs to have their s/w ready on time. But then, people who use Windows are just as scurvy as those scurvy dogs who use PHP and MySQL. A. Well, we are entirely ready to accept patches from any Windows Vista beta testers who are able to find and fix portability issues. If it would run under VMWare, I would, however the last CTP wouldn't when I tested it (at the PG code sprint in fact). There is an update to VMWare that I don't have yet though, so if I get time I'll try that somewhen, but frankly it's low priority. Regards, Dave. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] vista
It's the folks who think that non-Windows-using developers should care about Vista that bug me. This is open-source code, people. Scratch your own itch. The scratch your own itch line can only be pushed so far, if it is being said by a developer who works on a project that desires to be taken seriously by professionals in industry. For minor features, yes, perhaps it could be argued that the core team could ignore certain issues, and just wait for a patch. For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I'm used to getting that line when talking to 2 developer obscure projects that have a userbase of a half a dozen, but for a project like PostgreSQL, the they tell you to do it yourself brush is one we do NOT want to get tarred with. If we don't have the resources to cope with a Vista port immediately then so be it. If it's low priority, so be it. However, lets not appear to deride as unnecessary that which we cannot immediately provide a solution to. That's small time project mentality. - Naz. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Naz Gassiep Sent: 19 September 2006 12:26 To: Tom Lane Cc: Ron Johnson; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] vista The scratch your own itch line can only be pushed so far, if it is being said by a developer who works on a project that desires to be taken seriously by professionals in industry. For minor features, yes, perhaps it could be argued that the core team could ignore certain issues, and just wait for a patch. For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I'm used to getting that line when talking to 2 developer obscure projects that have a userbase of a half a dozen, but for a project like PostgreSQL, the they tell you to do it yourself brush is one we do NOT want to get tarred with. So what do you suggest? -core vote and order someone to do the work? Postgresql.org isn't a business and doesn't employ any developer - we only have the option of accepting patches from people/companies with itches. Regards, Dave. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
Re: [GENERAL] vista
So what do you suggest? -core vote and order someone to do the work? Postgresql.org isn't a business and doesn't employ any developer - we only have the option of accepting patches from people/companies with itches. I don't suggest any chance to any structures in place, it's a purely PR point. That's important and we acknowledge the need. Even in the absence of any progress on that item, a statement like this sounds better to PHBs than If you need it, submit a patch. Regards, - Naz. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-09-19 21:26:16 +1000: if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user) 1. what do those two things have in common? 2. what makes you think that anyone who uses Windows runs PostgreSQL on it? 3. my guess is you're a Windows programmer, and thus in much better position to fix the issue than Tom RedHat Lane. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [GENERAL] vista
-Original Message- From: Naz Gassiep [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2006 14:06 To: Dave Page Cc: Tom Lane; Ron Johnson; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] vista That's important and we acknowledge the need. Even in the absence of any progress on that item, a statement like this sounds better to PHBs than If you need it, submit a patch. In which case there's a good chance no-one will do the work. An awful lot of the features in and surrounding PostgreSQL only got developed because someone couldn't find the feature they wanted and were encouraged to work on it themselves. pgAdmin got started in almost exactly that way for example. Regards, Dave ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
On 9/19/06, Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-09-19 21:26:16 +1000: if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user) 1. what do those two things have in common? 2. what makes you think that anyone who uses Windows runs PostgreSQL on it? 3. my guess is you're a Windows programmer, and thus in much better position to fix the issue than Tom RedHat Lane. His point makes sense, Roman. While pg is not a company or a company product, it certainly needs to play nice with business in order for it to *have* (a significent number of) users. As much as I dislike it (probably the euphemism of the year), Windows is a fact on most development machines and on a substantial number of servers. In the case of Vista, even if none of the core commiters plan to support it, it makes a lot more sense to store the RFE and say it'll have to wait, than to say you got a problem? go fix it. Both attitudes reflect the same reality, but the fact that one is positive and one negative is obvious. Cheers, t.n.a. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Dave Page wrote: because someone couldn't find the feature they wanted and were encouraged to work on it themselves. pgAdmin got started in almost ^^ That's the key word here, encouraged, not discouraged. IMHO telling a Windows user to go do it himself is discouraging. Quite impolite too. It is not much harder to say We currently don't have the resources to look into that, if you could be so kind to experiment a bit and see if you can get it to work It might even invite other readers of this ML to look into it instead. Regards, -- Alban Hertroys [EMAIL PROTECTED] magproductions b.v. T: ++31(0)534346874 F: ++31(0)534346876 M: I: www.magproductions.nl A: Postbus 416 7500 AK Enschede // Integrate Your World // ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Tomi NA wrote: On 9/19/06, Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-09-19 21:26:16 +1000: if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user) 1. what do those two things have in common? 2. what makes you think that anyone who uses Windows runs PostgreSQL on it? 3. my guess is you're a Windows programmer, and thus in much better position to fix the issue than Tom RedHat Lane. His point makes sense, Roman. While pg is not a company or a company product, it certainly needs to play nice with business in order for it to *have* (a significent number of) users. As much as I dislike it (probably the euphemism of the year), Windows is a fact on most development machines and on a substantial number of servers. In the case of Vista, even if none of the core commiters plan to support it, it makes a lot more sense to store the RFE and say it'll have to wait, than to say you got a problem? go fix it. Both attitudes reflect the same reality, but the fact that one is positive and one negative is obvious. The response is not because it's Windows. The response 'to provide a patch' is made to anyone who would like to see a particular functionality in the application that the core group is not working on or is not on their radar. This is being made into a 'Windows vs..' thing and that's just not the case. I've seen folks suggest someone provide a patch for non-windows environments more so then windows environments. Although Tom's response may have seemed to be negative towards windows, the original posting had a bit of an attitude to start with. 'if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user)' -- Until later, Geoffrey Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] vista
In response to Tomi NA [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/19/06, Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-09-19 21:26:16 +1000: if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user) 1. what do those two things have in common? 2. what makes you think that anyone who uses Windows runs PostgreSQL on it? 3. my guess is you're a Windows programmer, and thus in much better position to fix the issue than Tom RedHat Lane. His point makes sense, Roman. While pg is not a company or a company product, it certainly needs to play nice with business in order for it to *have* (a significent number of) users. As much as I dislike it (probably the euphemism of the year), Windows is a fact on most development machines and on a substantial number of servers. In the case of Vista, even if none of the core commiters plan to support it, it makes a lot more sense to store the RFE and say it'll have to wait, than to say you got a problem? go fix it. Both attitudes reflect the same reality, but the fact that one is positive and one negative is obvious. To take a step back ... I think PostgreSQL is suffering from popularity. I remember when I first tried to get it up and running in the last 90s, and failed. There were some post-installation steps that I couldn't figure out at that time, so I jumped on the MySQL bandwagon for a few years. Nowadays, getting PostgreSQL running on FreeBSD is as easy as make install. Now that you have a Windows installer, it's even easier. This means there's an influx of a new type of people. Back in the late 90s, the only people using PostgreSQL were those with enough smarts and patience to figure out how to get it running. But this new influx isn't just less knowledgeable people -- by making PostgreSQL available on Windows, we've crossed a cultural barrier. People in the Windows world think very differently than those from the OSS world (in general). Some specific cultural differences I see: Business: How much to get feature X implemented? OSS: How much are you willing to donate, and I'll do what I can. Business: Please give me a timeline for the when X will be done. OSS: It'll be done when we know it's right. Business: Who can I hire to write feature X? OSS: It's not interesting, if you want it, go ahead and do it. Business: If I pay someone to write X, will you include it in the main tree? OSS: We'll include any code in the tree, if it's _good_. There are some subtle differences in the way things are approached there, but they can be showstoppers when it comes to OSS and business working together. And the simple fact is that Windows is business, not software. If you can solve the communication problems, everything else will just happen. Just my opinions from observing this and other similar conversations. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
I think the itch and scratch line is entirely appropriate. This is open source software, not prepackaged code guaranteed to work on the newest platforms. People who are trying it out on Vista are developers, not non-technical end-users. A developer who wants an open source product to work on a new platform should at least see what the problems are and then ask for help in fixing it, if he can't fix it himself. One of the big advantages of open source software is that business can see that if someone wants it to work on Vista, they can pay a programmer to get it to work on Vista and then submit the patch so that the rest of the community benefits as well. I would guess (being that it works fine in Windows XP), though I haven't even seen Vista yet, that the problem is relatively minor and going through the code with a debugger would probably allow the app to be installed within a couple hours. There may be a polite way of saying it, but you use that polite voice when talking to an end-user. When you're talking to a developer, I think you should say it like it is. Tomi NA wrote: On 9/19/06, Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-09-19 21:26:16 +1000: if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user) 1. what do those two things have in common? 2. what makes you think that anyone who uses Windows runs PostgreSQL on it? 3. my guess is you're a Windows programmer, and thus in much better position to fix the issue than Tom RedHat Lane. His point makes sense, Roman. While pg is not a company or a company product, it certainly needs to play nice with business in order for it to *have* (a significent number of) users. As much as I dislike it (probably the euphemism of the year), Windows is a fact on most development machines and on a substantial number of servers. In the case of Vista, even if none of the core commiters plan to support it, it makes a lot more sense to store the RFE and say it'll have to wait, than to say you got a problem? go fix it. Both attitudes reflect the same reality, but the fact that one is positive and one negative is obvious. Cheers, t.n.a. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] vista
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 03:34:47PM +0200, Alban Hertroys wrote: It is not much harder to say We currently don't have the resources to look into that, if you could be so kind to experiment a bit and see if you can get it to work Except that would be a lie. Perhaps: Postgresql developers do not have the ability to force anyone to do this. The best idea is if you could be so kind to experiment a bit and see if you can get it to work We have no resources to direct, or to look into things. Only individual developers (or their employers) can direct their own resources. If Vista is so important, why aren't seeing a rash of installation reports about it working (or not). Why hasn't someone offered to setup a buildfarm machine? Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org http://svana.org/kleptog/ From each according to his ability. To each according to his ability to litigate. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [GENERAL] vista
John Meyer wrote: has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend BTW, here's the issue at the pgFoundary http://pgfoundry.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1000733group_id=107atid=126 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Although Tom's response may have seemed to be negative towards windows, the original posting had a bit of an attitude to start with. Actually the original poster asked has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? To which the answer should have been, no. Send us the patch when you get it working. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
Re: [GENERAL] vista
-Original Message- From: Martijn van Oosterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2006 15:10 To: Alban Hertroys Cc: Dave Page; Naz Gassiep; Tom Lane; Ron Johnson; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] vista If Vista is so important, why aren't seeing a rash of installation reports about it working (or not). Why hasn't someone offered to setup a buildfarm machine? Actually I did, but the most recent CTP didn't run under VMWare as I mentioned earlier. Still, the show stopper on the first release which I *really* briefly tested it on was that the installer couldn't create a service user account as I think started this thread. This is most likely Vista's tightened security model - the easy answer to which will probably be to simply run as the installing user, Administrator or better yet, Network Service (or whatever it's called). Now that we dump all privileges on startup it's less of an issue if we cannot create our own account. Regards, Dave. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Naz Gassiep [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I was responding to someone who is obviously a Windows beta tester and therefore presumably has more clue than the average Windows-oid --- asking for a patch didn't seem unreasonable. But for arguments like the above, I will happily say apparently you've confused me with someone who gives a damn about Windows. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
taken seriously by professionals in industry. For minor features, yes, perhaps it could be argued that the core team could ignore certain issues, and just wait for a patch. For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, Then they can purchase MSSQL. No sweat off my back. IMHO. I'm used to getting that line when talking to 2 developer obscure projects that have a userbase of a half a dozen, but for a project like PostgreSQL, the they tell you to do it yourself brush is one we do NOT want to get tarred with. If we don't have the resources to cope with a Vista port immediately then so be it. If it's low priority, so be it. However, lets not appear to deride as unnecessary that which we cannot immediately provide a solution to. That's small time project mentality. Asking someone to submit a patch is completely acceptable in this project. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Roman Neuhauser wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006-09-19 21:26:16 +1000: if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user) 1. what do those two things have in common? 2. what makes you think that anyone who uses Windows runs PostgreSQL on it? Well I can tell you that lots of people run PostgreSQL on Windows. :). 3. my guess is you're a Windows programmer, and thus in much better position to fix the issue than Tom RedHat Lane. Tom RedHat Lane... H ;) Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [GENERAL] vista
Perhaps many of the core developers don't care if windows users take the project seriously? On Sep 19, 2006, at 4:26 AM, Naz Gassiep wrote: It's the folks who think that non-Windows-using developers should care about Vista that bug me. This is open-source code, people. Scratch your own itch. The scratch your own itch line can only be pushed so far, if it is being said by a developer who works on a project that desires to be taken seriously by professionals in industry. For minor features, yes, perhaps it could be argued that the core team could ignore certain issues, and just wait for a patch. For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I'm used to getting that line when talking to 2 developer obscure projects that have a userbase of a half a dozen, but for a project like PostgreSQL, the they tell you to do it yourself brush is one we do NOT want to get tarred with. If we don't have the resources to cope with a Vista port immediately then so be it. If it's low priority, so be it. However, lets not appear to deride as unnecessary that which we cannot immediately provide a solution to. That's small time project mentality. - Naz. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [GENERAL] vista
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: 19 September 2006 17:03 To: Naz Gassiep Cc: Tom Lane; Ron Johnson; pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] vista Perhaps many of the core developers don't care if windows users take the project seriously? Somehow I doubt that given that I was invited to join core precisely because of my work on the Windows distro. I would think that implies that at least 50% of the other members think the port is important. Regards, Dave ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
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On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 05:11:54PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: Perhaps many of the core developers don't care if windows users take the project seriously? Somehow I doubt that given that I was invited to join core precisely because of my work on the Windows distro. I would think that implies that at least 50% of the other members think the port is important. Indeed. The people in core are not going to stand in the way of a good patch that will fix a problem for windows. But neither are they going to spend their own time debugging a platform they have no experience with. At the end of the day any problems with Vista are going to have to be fixed by people with the OS, compiler, debugging expertise and time to do it. The fact is that most people here don't have that. The same criteria applies to every other platform. So basically, anyone out there who meets the above criteria? Now is the time to show it. Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org http://svana.org/kleptog/ From each according to his ability. To each according to his ability to litigate. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Ben wrote: Perhaps many of the core developers don't care if windows users take the project seriously? Well that may or may not be true, but isn't really relevant. What is relevant is that *any* community user would have been told the *exact* same thing. Regardless of OS. Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Naz Gassiep) writes: It's the folks who think that non-Windows-using developers should care about Vista that bug me. This is open-source code, people. Scratch your own itch. The scratch your own itch line can only be pushed so far, if it is being said by a developer who works on a project that desires to be taken seriously by professionals in industry. For minor features, yes, perhaps it could be argued that the core team could ignore certain issues, and just wait for a patch. For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I'm used to getting that line when talking to 2 developer obscure projects that have a userbase of a half a dozen, but for a project like PostgreSQL, the they tell you to do it yourself brush is one we do NOT want to get tarred with. If we don't have the resources to cope with a Vista port immediately then so be it. If it's low priority, so be it. However, lets not appear to deride as unnecessary that which we cannot immediately provide a solution to. That's small time project mentality. Well, the same issue has come up with the subproject that I work on, namely Slony-I, and the nature of things seems much the same. *I* don't use Windows, haven't got any relevant build environment, and, organizationally, really couldn't care less if PostgreSQL or Slony-I runs on Windows or not, as Windows isn't a relevant platform. Asking me about Windows support in *any* context is pretty much useless; as far as I'm concerned, Windows support requires finding someone who has that particular itch. It turns out that there are people with a Windows itch, and I haven't turned away patches to provide Windows support due to its irrelevance to me. No, I'm pleased enough to see that come in. But if you present Windows-related issues to me, I see nothing improper in saying scratch your own itch. I'm *not* the right one to help, and the community is large enough that I don't see any problem with that. -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'cbbrowne.com'; http://linuxfinances.info/info/advocacy.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #196. I will hire an expert marksman to stand by the entrance to my fortress. His job will be to shoot anyone who rides up to challenge me. http://www.eviloverlord.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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So... If you're not a PostgreSQL Win32 port dev, and *don't know* what they're up to as far as Vista, why respond to the Q? Or why respond fix it yourself instead of ask this guy or nobody here will know yet or post your query on -ports or -hackers. Otherwise it's as useful as saying http://justgoogleit.com/; or check the man pages. While technically a correct response, it's not a very useful one and certainly not what the poster was asking, yes? It's like a SELECT * ... statement returning a single row with an asterisk in it. Gee, thanks for the tautology. Heck, even check CVS change logs would be more useful. Presumably *a* person on the dev team will handle it eventually. And it's not unreasonable to expect that somebody, somewhere has asked the same question to the dev team and that they *might* know something about the state of PG on that platform. Frankly, I too could care less about PG on Vista. Longhorn isn't due until Vista SP1, so PG support has a long time to go before it's a real concern. But then I didn't try to answer the question. -- Brandon Aiken CS/IT Systems Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Browne Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:16 PM To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] vista [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Naz Gassiep) writes: It's the folks who think that non-Windows-using developers should care about Vista that bug me. This is open-source code, people. Scratch your own itch. The scratch your own itch line can only be pushed so far, if it is being said by a developer who works on a project that desires to be taken seriously by professionals in industry. For minor features, yes, perhaps it could be argued that the core team could ignore certain issues, and just wait for a patch. For something like Vista compatibility, if you want to be taken seriously by anyone who uses Windows (hands up anyone who knows a Windows user), scratch your own itch is not really going to cut it, IMHO. I'm used to getting that line when talking to 2 developer obscure projects that have a userbase of a half a dozen, but for a project like PostgreSQL, the they tell you to do it yourself brush is one we do NOT want to get tarred with. If we don't have the resources to cope with a Vista port immediately then so be it. If it's low priority, so be it. However, lets not appear to deride as unnecessary that which we cannot immediately provide a solution to. That's small time project mentality. Well, the same issue has come up with the subproject that I work on, namely Slony-I, and the nature of things seems much the same. *I* don't use Windows, haven't got any relevant build environment, and, organizationally, really couldn't care less if PostgreSQL or Slony-I runs on Windows or not, as Windows isn't a relevant platform. Asking me about Windows support in *any* context is pretty much useless; as far as I'm concerned, Windows support requires finding someone who has that particular itch. It turns out that there are people with a Windows itch, and I haven't turned away patches to provide Windows support due to its irrelevance to me. No, I'm pleased enough to see that come in. But if you present Windows-related issues to me, I see nothing improper in saying scratch your own itch. I'm *not* the right one to help, and the community is large enough that I don't see any problem with that. -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'cbbrowne.com'; http://linuxfinances.info/info/advocacy.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #196. I will hire an expert marksman to stand by the entrance to my fortress. His job will be to shoot anyone who rides up to challenge me. http://www.eviloverlord.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
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So... If you're not a PostgreSQL Win32 port dev, and *don't know* what they're up to as far as Vista, why respond to the Q? Or why respond fix it yourself instead of ask this guy or nobody here will know yet or post your query on -ports or -hackers. Precisely. My point is not that people *should* care about Win32, or that some coercive system should be put into place to force devs onto RFEs, or even that we should commit to having something ready at all ever. It's a point of apparent attitude. Responding with a useless answer is *worse* than simply ignoring the question. I am not a Win32 user (at least not on servers), but if I wanted to know if Vista compatibility was being worked on getting if you want it, go do it would be even less useful than an effort to convince me to run the DB on a *nix back end. I'd rather have someone tell me how and why to migrate to a better OS. Frankly, I too could care less about PG on Vista. Longhorn isn't due until Vista SP1, so PG support has a long time to go before it's a real concern. But then I didn't try to answer the question. Same here. It's a matter of apparent attitude of the community to outsiders or new users. Even with something like future Win32 support, I'd rather see people being told that issue is not important to our project because x, y and z than go do it yourself. Anyway, I seem to have kicked up a bit of a hornet's nest here so I'll shut up now. - Naz. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
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has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
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John Meyer wrote: has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? It's not out yet ;) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/18/06 22:32, Joshua D. Drake wrote: John Meyer wrote: has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? It's not out yet ;) Release Candidates are, for the very purpose of allowing ISVs to have their s/w ready on time. But then, people who use Windows are just as scurvy as those scurvy dogs who use PHP and MySQL. A. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFD3NRS9HxQb37XmcRAjkwAKDLjM1pYEpUu9LRzMznmZYpkJl7AACgp7VG gQZx4msPMI0RfkL6SewZU6E= =WWrT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq
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Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 09/18/06 22:32, Joshua D. Drake wrote: John Meyer wrote: has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? It's not out yet ;) Release Candidates are, for the very purpose of allowing ISVs to have their s/w ready on time. But then, people who use Windows are just as scurvy as those scurvy dogs who use PHP and MySQL. A. Well, we are entirely ready to accept patches from any Windows Vista beta testers who are able to find and fix portability issues. It's the folks who think that non-Windows-using developers should care about Vista that bug me. This is open-source code, people. Scratch your own itch. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
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Tom Lane wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 09/18/06 22:32, Joshua D. Drake wrote: John Meyer wrote: has anybody gotten postgresql to install successfully under Windows Vista? It's not out yet ;) Release Candidates are, for the very purpose of allowing ISVs to have their s/w ready on time. But then, people who use Windows are just as scurvy as those scurvy dogs who use PHP and MySQL. A. Well, we are entirely ready to accept patches from any Windows Vista beta testers who are able to find and fix portability issues. It's the folks who think that non-Windows-using developers should care about Vista that bug me. This is open-source code, people. Scratch your own itch. One issue I've found in installation is that you are unable to create the user postgresql (and yes, I have run it in Administrator mode) ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
