Re: [Pharo-project] How to open a file with external app
I just see that it is not integrated in Pharo2.0. Where can I find it ? Jannik On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:49 AM, jannik.laval jannik.la...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have an example of code ? Jannik On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:26 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: The only solution currently is to use OSProcess and - open under OSX - gnome-open under linux On 2013-03-27, at 23:05, jannik.laval jannik.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hi pharoers, Is it possible to select a file and open it with an external application ? For example, I need to open a pdf file. How can I do that ? Thank you for the help, Jannik
Re: [Pharo-project] How to open a file with external app
On 27.03.2013, at 23:26, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: The only solution currently is to use OSProcess and - open under OSX - gnome-open under linux Or use NativeBoost (e.g. run C code that does what you want). But Camillo's solution is certainly easier to implement. On 2013-03-27, at 23:05, jannik.laval jannik.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hi pharoers, Is it possible to select a file and open it with an external application ? For example, I need to open a pdf file. How can I do that ? Thank you for the help, Jannik
Re: [Pharo-project] strange problem in CompiledMethod=
On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, One of the Moose test runs a visualization that manipulates CompiledMethods, and it runs into an error when trying to find an entry inside a dictionary that has compiled methods as keys. In the end, I managed to isolate the problem that can be reproduced by: 1. Download the moose image: https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-latest-dev-4.8/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/moose-latest-dev-4.8.zip 2. Execute: (MooseIncomingQueryResult#selectDependencies:) = (MooseOutgoingInvocationQueryResult#selectDependencies:). It seems it is a Pharo problem, or something related to these particular methods. Would anyone be interested in looking into this? Yes, equality just check that the byte code is the same. Historically this is the behavior as methods did not know their class nor their selector, at some point they where then including this information for #=, but the latest does not. We should change it, Methods now contain the information in which class they are installed in and it should be taken into account for = There is already a case: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7222 Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?
On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:56 AM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: I had noticed that package loading seemed extremely slow, but did not look further into it. I think I saw mention that it's due to some usage of #become:, during the compiling of code. Based on build times (of just loading the rough equivalent code), it seems about 3 times slower to do a build on a Pharo-2.0 vs. Pharo-1.4. Yes, this is known and we should analyze it… one thing we need to get rid of os the #become: when updating the source pointer. There seems to be something slow with announcing changes, too. Another thing I've noticed is occasional sluggishness in the UI. It's hard to pinpoint, I often feel like my clicks are being lost. I have not seen that one. The behaviour of the TestRunner was odd. Eventually I discovered running tests via the Nautilus browser, but the UI feedback is extremely confusing for abstract test cases. I still don't quite understand the results I see there, so I do a final run of the tests in the TestRunner. Odd in which sense? related to the progress bar? Another strange issue I had with test cases was to do with the interaction of the deprecation warnings. In by build script, I run: Deprecation raiseWarning: false. Deprecation showWarning: false. so the build can run headless. It took me a few hours, and a careful single stepping, to find that the deprecation exceptions were being swallowed. I'm sure the TestRunner did not behave this way before. If you ran a test, you would still see the deprecation exceptions. It was really frustrating to see your test fail, but have the stack cleared out before you could debug the exception that caused the test failure. Can you add a bug tracker entry for that one? Marcus
[Pharo-project] Fwd: How to open a file with external app
forwarding... Begin forwarded message: From: Philippe Back philippe.b...@gmail.com Subject: RE : Re: [Pharo-project] How to open a file with external app Date: 28. März 2013 08:07:54 MEZ To: Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com There is an example in the dic/help server that uses nb to open a web browser that way (NB) Philippe Back Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com a écrit : On 27.03.2013, at 23:26, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: The only solution currently is to use OSProcess and - open under OSX - gnome-open under linux Or use NativeBoost (e.g. run C code that does what you want). But Camillo's solution is certainly easier to implement. On 2013-03-27, at 23:05, jannik.laval jannik.la...@gmail.com wrote: Hi pharoers, Is it possible to select a file and open it with an external application ? For example, I need to open a pdf file. How can I do that ? Thank you for the help, Jannik
[Pharo-project] Nautilus: Class Side vs. Instance Side
Hi people, I've installed Pharo 2.0 to give it a try. All good until now! Looking at Nautilus I see that where there used to be two buttons for switching between class-side and instance-side methods, now there is a checkbox. As I was slowly trying to get used to it... it occurred to me that I would have liked even more if I would not have to switch at all. In fact it would be so much nicer to see everything about a class at once. One solution might be splitting the protocols panel in two for instance and class side. Just my 2C. Cheers, M. -- Dr. Mircea Lungu Researcher Software Composition Group University of Bern
Re: [Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?
Yep, seems BlockContext is gone. Ran into that as well. No idea on how
to fix tough. Throwing in BlockClosure instead makes me feel like
playing russian roulette.
Maybe Lukas repository has updates (as for Seaside)
Phil
2013/3/28 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com:
Did anybody manage to load Magritte 2 at least?
When running this:
Gofer it
squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
package: 'ConfigurationOfMagritte2';
load.
(ConfigurationOfMagritte2 project version: '2.0.6') load:
#('Magritte-Seaside')
I get the following error:
This package depends on the following classes:
BlockContext
You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load
these definitions:
magritteDynamicObject
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/27 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com:
EstebanLM wrote
So... I wonder... is that because we made a really cool release, or just
because nobody is using it?
I've ported most of my projects to 2.0, but I've been on holidays for a few
weeks, so I haven't updated to the released version. I'll know better this
week, but IIRC most of the bugs I noticed have been fixed.
-
Cheers,
Sean
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Re: [Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:39 AM, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Yep, seems BlockContext is gone Yes, it is not used since Pharo 1.0… it's dead code. Of course we can keep it for and build a nice Museum of dead code. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] How to open a file with external app
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:26:21PM +0100, Camillo Bruni wrote: The only solution currently is to use OSProcess and - open under OSX - gnome-open under linux Please use xdg-open to work on all free desktop implementations.
[Pharo-project] [update 3.0] #30015
30015 - 6371 make Growl position configurable by preferences https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/6371 6881 FileSystemStore permissions: should not return false https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/6881 10061 add String#urldecoded and String#urlencoded https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10061 10131 Remove unsent deprecated method https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10131 10135 Remove old HierarchyBrowser https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10135/ Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Zinc-Character-Encoding-Tests-MarcusDenker.6 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Zinc-Character-Encoding-Core-MarcusDenker.8 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Tools-MarcusDenker.1070 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/System-Support-MarcusDenker.799 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Settings-Polymorph-MarcusDenker.49 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Refactoring-Core-MarcusDenker.172 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Polymorph-Widgets-MarcusDenker.785 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/NautilusCommon-MarcusDenker.122 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Nautilus-MarcusDenker.438 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Morphic-MarcusDenker.1386 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Metacello-ToolBox-MarcusDenker.137 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Metacello-Core-MarcusDenker.496 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Kernel-MarcusDenker.1349 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Growl-MarcusDenker.15 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Gofer-Core-MarcusDenker.193 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/FileSystem-Zip-MarcusDenker.9 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/FileSystem-Memory-MarcusDenker.23 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/FileSystem-Disk-MarcusDenker.51 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/FileSystem-Core-MarcusDenker.68 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Compatibility-MarcusDenker.14 http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Pharo30/diff/Collections-Strings-MarcusDenker.247
Re: [Pharo-project] Looking for a Seaside 3.1 Configuration for Pharo 2.0
Excellent! I really want to demo Seaside with 2.0 I'm merging mine and Paul's configuration for Seaside 3.0.7 into Diego's and Stefan's work. Of course, there's always stuff that gets in the way of finishing that (like moving our offices ;-). I hope to have one by end of the week for Seaside 3.0.7. The intention is that we merge this into the Seaside3.1 configuration. Stef wrote: we would like to use seaside to validate the VM and also make sure that Seaside31. works perfectly in Pharo2.0. I saw that some of you have a working configuration. Where can we find it because we would like to publish it in the MetaRepoForPharo20. We have it working, but it does not have the Seaside Panel ( browser). At last Esug Seaside sprint I started redoing them in Spec, but never managed to spend more time on them. They are in the Seaside31 repository on squeaksource: Seaside-Pharo-Tools-Spec (might need renaming to Pharo20). Stephan
Re: [Pharo-project] Looking for a Seaside 3.1 Configuration for Pharo 2.0
thanks Paul. I should say that I would have love not to have 3.0.1. 3.0.2 so I'm really eager to get seaside 3.1 out but at least something that can be marketed as movement. Stef On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Paul DeBruicker pdebr...@gmail.com wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote Hi guys we would like to use seaside to validate the VM and also make sure that Seaside31. works perfectly in Pharo2.0. I saw that some of you have a working configuration. Where can we find it because we would like to publish it in the MetaRepoForPharo20. Stef 3.1 is not released. That being said see if this set of packages works for you http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4460862/seaside31Config.zip but they are also not official versions of anything and the official ones will likely be different. they are just something I cobbled together that seemed to work at the beginning of the month. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Looking-for-a-Seaside-3-1-Configuration-for-Pharo-2-0-tp4678580p4678638.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus: Class Side vs. Instance Side
did you see that when there is no class methods the checkbox tell it to you ;) Hi people, I've installed Pharo 2.0 to give it a try. All good until now! Looking at Nautilus I see that where there used to be two buttons for switching between class-side and instance-side methods, now there is a checkbox. As I was slowly trying to get used to it... it occurred to me that I would have liked even more if I would not have to switch at all. In fact it would be so much nicer to see everything about a class at once. One solution might be splitting the protocols panel in two for instance and class side. do you imagine newbies? I do not think that this is a suitable approch. Stef
Re: [Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?
we should plit that in bug entries and take actions collectively :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:56 AM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: On 27/03/13 10:24 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: Here in Pharo headquarters we are shock that there are just 10 new bugs reported for 2.0 after the release... So... I wonder... is that because we made a really cool release, or just because nobody is using it? Just before the release I loaded up my project, and did a quick check to find that everything looked fine - except that I would have to migrate to Fuel-1.9. I had noticed that package loading seemed extremely slow, but did not look further into it. I think I saw mention that it's due to some usage of #become:, during the compiling of code. Based on build times (of just loading the rough equivalent code), it seems about 3 times slower to do a build on a Pharo-2.0 vs. Pharo-1.4. The slowness is not just an annoyance, because I actually compile code in my application - it's just compiling getters and setters. I've not got enough working yet to see whether it's going to adversely affect the usability (it could make startup time too slow). Another thing I've noticed is occasional sluggishness in the UI. It's hard to pinpoint, I often feel like my clicks are being lost. The behaviour of the TestRunner was odd. Eventually I discovered running tests via the Nautilus browser, but the UI feedback is extremely confusing for abstract test cases. I still don't quite understand the results I see there, so I do a final run of the tests in the TestRunner. Another strange issue I had with test cases was to do with the interaction of the deprecation warnings. In by build script, I run: Deprecation raiseWarning: false. Deprecation showWarning: false. so the build can run headless. It took me a few hours, and a careful single stepping, to find that the deprecation exceptions were being swallowed. I'm sure the TestRunner did not behave this way before. If you ran a test, you would still see the deprecation exceptions. It was really frustrating to see your test fail, but have the stack cleared out before you could debug the exception that caused the test failure. Are these bugs, or just me getting used to the new release?
Re: [Pharo-project] Looking for a Seaside 3.1 Configuration for Pharo 2.0
I think it's not a good idea to dump the 3.0.x branch Many people are using that + 3.1 is still in development On 28 Mar 2013, at 10:32, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: thanks Paul. I should say that I would have love not to have 3.0.1. 3.0.2 so I'm really eager to get seaside 3.1 out but at least something that can be marketed as movement. Stef On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Paul DeBruicker pdebr...@gmail.com wrote: Stéphane Ducasse wrote Hi guys we would like to use seaside to validate the VM and also make sure that Seaside31. works perfectly in Pharo2.0. I saw that some of you have a working configuration. Where can we find it because we would like to publish it in the MetaRepoForPharo20. Stef 3.1 is not released. That being said see if this set of packages works for you http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4460862/seaside31Config.zip but they are also not official versions of anything and the official ones will likely be different. they are just something I cobbled together that seemed to work at the beginning of the month. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Looking-for-a-Seaside-3-1-Configuration-for-Pharo-2-0-tp4678580p4678638.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-project] Versionner in pharo 2.0
Is there work in progress to make Versionner work in pharo 2.0? The problems I see are at first related to the removal SystemChangeNotifier. If nobody is working on it is there any reading material about the changes from SystemChangeNotifier to Announcements? I could fix it myself then but I don't know nothing about this system internal. thanks, Norbert
[Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Looking for a Seaside 3.1 Configuration for Pharo 2.0
On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Johan Brichau jo...@inceptive.be wrote: I think it's not a good idea to dump the 3.0.x branch this is not what I meant. I was talking about marketing = name of the release ( I prefer to use a soft that is 3.3 and 3.0.0.0.2.alpha - even if semantic versionning is cool). Many people are using that + 3.1 is still in development
Re: [Pharo-project] Versionner in pharo 2.0
Christophe is… and will probably reply. We want this tool. On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Is there work in progress to make Versionner work in pharo 2.0? The problems I see are at first related to the removal SystemChangeNotifier. If nobody is working on it is there any reading material about the changes from SystemChangeNotifier to Announcements? I could fix it myself then but I don't know nothing about this system internal. thanks, Norbert
[Pharo-project] about a new pharo site
Hi, I would like to discuss something about a complete redesign of the site because right now, while it was good some years ago, now is old and confusing... I would like something clean and easy, more or less like the ruby on rails site: http://rubyonrails.org ideas? Esteban ps: this is a brainstorm for a change that will take time, do not expect too much too soon :)
Re: [Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. The problem is not a nautilus bug but a compiled method one if I remember correctly. because two methods with the same body are equal. Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Versionner in pharo 2.0
there is work in progress... a bit slow because my times (and Christoph's) are a bit... overcharged :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Is there work in progress to make Versionner work in pharo 2.0? The problems I see are at first related to the removal SystemChangeNotifier. If nobody is working on it is there any reading material about the changes from SystemChangeNotifier to Announcements? I could fix it myself then but I don't know nothing about this system internal. thanks, Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] about a new pharo site
I like this http://vagrantup.com and I think you have to immediately address the users by letting them chose I am new = show how to download details and everything I am pro = directly show raw links / discussions ... I am a company? :D of course one should not exclude the other, but we should optimize for the targeted audience On 2013-03-28, at 11:49, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to discuss something about a complete redesign of the site because right now, while it was good some years ago, now is old and confusing... I would like something clean and easy, more or less like the ruby on rails site: http://rubyonrails.org ideas? Esteban ps: this is a brainstorm for a change that will take time, do not expect too much too soon :)
Re: [Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr: On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. The problem is not a nautilus bug but a compiled method one if I remember correctly. because two methods with the same body are equal. Ok, so my case is an edge case which usually doesn't happen. But what is the rationale for selecting based on equality instead of identity? Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
Two compiled methods with same byte code, even with different selectors are equals (and people laughed at me when I found that disturbing) Ben On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:51 AM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. The problem is not a nautilus bug but a compiled method one if I remember correctly. because two methods with the same body are equal. Norbert
[Pharo-project] How to redraw only a part of a morph
Hi! I try to optimize the graphic framework I'm porting. I have good performance but I have some problem to reDraw the morph of my view. When I reDraw my morph I use 'invalidRect:' with the bound of the part I want to reDraw but every step my morph is entirely reDraw. Does I have to use another method? Or someone can explain me how pharo manage the repaint of morph? Thanks :) I will ask today if I can make a video of my work because is very impressive of what we can do on Pharo with the framework! And if the reDraw is functional we certainly have the same performance with Pharo! So good news :) Tristan
[Pharo-project] one-click restored for pharo 3.0, renamed as portable
Hi, I created a portable version of Pharo 3.0, for those power users who still need it :) check it at: http://files.pharo.org/platform Cheers, Esteban
Re: [Pharo-project] How to redraw only a part of a morph
On 28 March 2013 12:05, Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I try to optimize the graphic framework I'm porting. I have good performance but I have some problem to reDraw the morph of my view. When I reDraw my morph I use 'invalidRect:' with the bound of the part I want to reDraw but every step my morph is entirely reDraw. Does I have to use another method? Or someone can explain me how pharo manage the repaint of morph? The thing you looking for called clipping. Usually (and if possible) morph should try and detect what parts of his drawing needs to be updated and update only minimum part covered by clipping region. But that implies some internal knowledge about morph's geometry etc.. and that's why a default implementation simply (re)draws everything. Thanks :) I will ask today if I can make a video of my work because is very impressive of what we can do on Pharo with the framework! Please do. And if the reDraw is functional we certainly have the same performance with Pharo! Come to see me and we will look how we can optimize it :) So good news :) Tristan -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20594
20594 - 10123 Bug in warning in CriticBrowser https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10123 Diff information: http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Manifest-CriticBrowser-EstebanLorenzano.64.diff (yep, 2.0 keeps going... for sometime)
[Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
Hi, I backported the 3.0 publish mechanism to Pharo 2.0. I suppose the 2.0 Summer will be like this then :) http://files.pharo.org/platform/ Cheers, Esteban
Re: [Pharo-project] Versionner in pharo 2.0
Can you tell me what an equivalent to a SystemChangeNotifier call would be today? I can derive Announcement class names from the message sends to SystemChangeNotifier. But I don't know e.g. where is the announcer in the system where you would register for class change, method modified etc. announcements. Norbert Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com: there is work in progress... a bit slow because my times (and Christoph's) are a bit... overcharged :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Is there work in progress to make Versionner work in pharo 2.0? The problems I see are at first related to the removal SystemChangeNotifier. If nobody is working on it is there any reading material about the changes from SystemChangeNotifier to Announcements? I could fix it myself then but I don't know nothing about this system internal. thanks, Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
Cool! :) On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I backported the 3.0 publish mechanism to Pharo 2.0. I suppose the 2.0 Summer will be like this then :) http://files.pharo.org/platform/ Cheers, Esteban
Re: [Pharo-project] one-click restored for pharo 3.0, renamed as portable
EstebanLM wrote I created a portable version of Pharo 3.0, for those power users who still need it :) Cool, Thanks :) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/one-click-restored-for-pharo-3-0-renamed-as-portable-tp4678719p4678723.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Some question and request for Athens
On 27 March 2013 14:44, Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/26 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: On 26 March 2013 11:29, Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/25 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr: Begin forwarded message: From: Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Some question and request for Athens Date: March 25, 2013 2:57:33 PM GMT+01:00 To: Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com Cc: Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr, LE PORS Eric eric.lep...@fr.thalesgroup.com On 25 March 2013 11:45, Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Igor! I have some questions and request for Athens :) 1 Do exist a possibility in Athens to draw a Surface on a Surface? For example : aSurf drawSurface: anOtherSurface at: aPosition (I need it for draw image on a surface) yes. You can use Forms or surfaces as paints so they act like 2D textures: canvas setPaint: someSurface. canvas drawShape: myRect. Thanks that's works fine :) 2 About my first question, I try to draw a png image on a Surface and I get some strange behavior. When nothing is applied on my first surface and draw the image in a rectangle path I crash the VM! This an example I tried and crash my VM: |surf pharoLogo ref path patternPaint| surf := AthensCairoSurface extent: 600@600. ref := 'pharo.png' asFileReference. pharoLogo := AthensCairoSurface createFromFile: ref fullName ifFailed:[nil]. surf drawDuring: [:can| surf clear. patternPaint := can setPaint: pharoLogo. patternPaint setExtend: #None. can drawShape: (0@0 extent: pharoLogo extent). ]. Display getCanvas drawImage: surf asForm at: 0@0. Did this code work fine on your image or other machine? (I'm working on a Windows XP pro) could be a problem. we should check. To workaround this, you can try to load .png into a form: Form fromBynaryStream: (ref ... readStream) If you need more information about the crash and my environment ask it :) weird... it should be working fine. I try it on a new clean image and again get a VM crash. okay, then i need more information :) I send the report of the crash in the mail. yes, i see there's some problem.. but cannot tell anything why it happens. Tristan -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-project] Versionner in pharo 2.0
Hi Norbert, Check around SystemAnnouncer :) Esteban On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Can you tell me what an equivalent to a SystemChangeNotifier call would be today? I can derive Announcement class names from the message sends to SystemChangeNotifier. But I don't know e.g. where is the announcer in the system where you would register for class change, method modified etc. announcements. Norbert Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com: there is work in progress... a bit slow because my times (and Christoph's) are a bit... overcharged :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Is there work in progress to make Versionner work in pharo 2.0? The problems I see are at first related to the removal SystemChangeNotifier. If nobody is working on it is there any reading material about the changes from SystemChangeNotifier to Announcements? I could fix it myself then but I don't know nothing about this system internal. thanks, Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr: On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. The problem is not a nautilus bug but a compiled method one if I remember correctly. because two methods with the same body are equal. It happens in MethodWidget#methodSelectionAt:put. When PluggableIconListMorph updates the list selection it calls the MethodWidget to set true on the new method selected. But MethodWidget uses a Dictionary for instVar methodSelection and finds the old method being equal and enables this. As I don't see a reason why a selection should be done by equality this behavior can be fixed by using an IdentityDictionary. Fix: MethodWidget#initialize super initialize. methodsSelection := IdentityDictionary new. Any arguments? Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
Honestly, I do not remember Ben On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr: On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. The problem is not a nautilus bug but a compiled method one if I remember correctly. because two methods with the same body are equal. Ok, so my case is an edge case which usually doesn't happen. But what is the rationale for selecting based on equality instead of identity? Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
if it works go ahead ;) Ben On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr: On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. The problem is not a nautilus bug but a compiled method one if I remember correctly. because two methods with the same body are equal. It happens in MethodWidget#methodSelectionAt:put. When PluggableIconListMorph updates the list selection it calls the MethodWidget to set true on the new method selected. But MethodWidget uses a Dictionary for instVar methodSelection and finds the old method being equal and enables this. As I don't see a reason why a selection should be done by equality this behavior can be fixed by using an IdentityDictionary. Fix: MethodWidget#initialize super initialize. methodsSelection := IdentityDictionary new. Any arguments? Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
EstebanLM wrote I backported the 3.0 publish mechanism to Pharo 2.0. ... http://files.pharo.org/platform/ I updated http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-2-0 to the Portable terminology, with an updated description, and put the platform versions at the top, as the first choice. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Platform-and-portable-versions-for-Pharo-2-0-too-tp4678722p4678734.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks
Hi, have you seen it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharo it is old, small, non-accurate and well... it could receive a lot of love :) (the weird thing is that the image is actually a 2.0 image, he) Can anyone adopt the page and update it? thanks, Esteban ps: also... we have a lot of spanish speakers in this list (including myself). It is a shame that we do not have a spanish version :)
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
mmm... the problem is that the platform versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace). Esteban On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote I backported the 3.0 publish mechanism to Pharo 2.0. ... http://files.pharo.org/platform/ I updated http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-2-0 to the Portable terminology, with an updated description, and put the platform versions at the top, as the first choice. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Platform-and-portable-versions-for-Pharo-2-0-too-tp4678722p4678734.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: mmm... the problem is that the platform versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace). yes, we should take care… if it is for power users, it should not be on the website. We need to take care that the idea was not to complicate everything but to simplify. The whole how-we-distribute Pharo is work in Progress. It will change over the next Months. We should control very much the officially released image, else all the work last monday was for nothing. Marcus Esteban On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote I backported the 3.0 publish mechanism to Pharo 2.0. ... http://files.pharo.org/platform/ I updated http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-2-0 to the Portable terminology, with an updated description, and put the platform versions at the top, as the first choice. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Platform-and-portable-versions-for-Pharo-2-0-too-tp4678722p4678734.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
EstebanLM wrote mmm... the problem is that the platform versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace). Oops. Can we have save platform release versions somewhere? Since new users are having trouble with the one-click/portable version, I'd hate to lose the next year before we have something easy for them... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Platform-and-portable-versions-for-Pharo-2-0-too-tp4678722p4678739.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote mmm... the problem is that the platform versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace). Oops. Can we have save platform release versions somewhere? Since new users are having trouble with the one-click/portable version, I'd hate to lose the next year before we have something easy for them… Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a boundary somewhere. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
EstebanLM wrote the bad news: since sthub still does not accepts open commits, you need to be added to the repository to commit slices (sorry about that) WTF! This seems totally wrong and bad and evil and... ;) I know we love StHub, but this is unsustainable. Unless StHub is adding open commits today, why not put the inbox on ss3 temporarily. I feel we will lose a /lot/ of help this way. Not everyone is willing to go through/knows about the communication process of being added... p.s. please add me :) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-inbox-changed-tp4677312p4678741.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
Marcus Denker-4 wrote Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a boundary somewhere. I don't think this is the right place to draw it. I'm going to work now, but I'll do it later. I guess I could just take the nightly ones and manually stick in the release image, right? - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Platform-and-portable-versions-for-Pharo-2-0-too-tp4678722p4678742.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote mmm... the problem is that the platform versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace). Oops. Can we have save platform release versions somewhere? Since new users are having trouble with the one-click/portable version, I'd hate to lose the next year before we have something easy for them… Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a boundary somewhere. People don't realize just how much work was in the release last week… We can do things, but we need to control what we do. Changing the relase files one week after randomly where we are in the situation that the build files are *not* yet the relased files (we are working on that, there is a tracker entry…) is deadly. Please let it like it is and we move *controlled* forward. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
On 28 mars 2013, at 13:15, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: EstebanLM wrote the bad news: since sthub still does not accepts open commits, you need to be added to the repository to commit slices (sorry about that) WTF! This seems totally wrong and bad and evil and... ;) I know we love StHub, but this is unsustainable. Unless StHub is adding open commits today, why not put the inbox on ss3 temporarily. I feel we will lose a /lot/ of help this way. Not everyone is willing to go through/knows about the communication process of being added... p.s. please add me :) You are already in Pharo team group so you can commit. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-inbox-changed-tp4677312p4678741.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
yes, I agree with everything... we will fix it soon :) Sean, you are part of Pharo team members, you should be able to upload to inbox anyway cheers, Esteban On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote the bad news: since sthub still does not accepts open commits, you need to be added to the repository to commit slices (sorry about that) WTF! This seems totally wrong and bad and evil and... ;) I know we love StHub, but this is unsustainable. Unless StHub is adding open commits today, why not put the inbox on ss3 temporarily. I feel we will lose a /lot/ of help this way. Not everyone is willing to go through/knows about the communication process of being added... p.s. please add me :) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-inbox-changed-tp4677312p4678741.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Marcus Denker-4 wrote Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a boundary somewhere. I don't think this is the right place to draw it. I'm going to work now, but I'll do it later. I guess I could just take the nightly ones and manually stick in the release image, right? Please… this now does *not* need to be done. Please. Please. Please… (I am dead) Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote the bad news: since sthub still does not accepts open commits, you need to be added to the repository to commit slices (sorry about that) WTF! This seems totally wrong and bad and evil and... ;) I know we love StHub, but this is unsustainable. Unless StHub is adding open commits today, why not put the inbox on ss3 temporarily. I feel we will lose a /lot/ of help this way. Not everyone is willing to go through/knows about the communication process of being added... p.s. please add me :) yes, and we would like to have fixed that last week, too, but….. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks
I could but I do not want people bash me if I focus on Pharo on that page. Stef On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, have you seen it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharo it is old, small, non-accurate and well... it could receive a lot of love :) (the weird thing is that the image is actually a 2.0 image, he) Can anyone adopt the page and update it? thanks, Esteban ps: also... we have a lot of spanish speakers in this list (including myself). It is a shame that we do not have a spanish version :)
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
Marcus Denker-4 wrote Please… this now does *not* need to be done. Please. Please. Please… I totally understand that we're all exhausted. This is an investment in our future relaxation :) If the users need it, it needs to be done. The reason we have to do so much work is that the community is the size it is. If there is not an influx of new users, the situation will not change. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Platform-and-portable-versions-for-Pharo-2-0-too-tp4678722p4678749.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
EstebanLM wrote yes, I agree with everything... we will fix it soon :) Great, I know everyone is working hard. I like the progress even if it hurts sometimes :) EstebanLM wrote Sean, you are part of Pharo team members, you should be able to upload to inbox anyway I don't know. I keep getting 403s. I wanted to try to manually upload it from the StHub web interface, but don't see how... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-inbox-changed-tp4677312p4678751.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
And as Nico like to say, smalltalkhub is open source :) So maybe it's also the role of a community :) Ben On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote yes, I agree with everything... we will fix it soon :) Great, I know everyone is working hard. I like the progress even if it hurts sometimes :) EstebanLM wrote Sean, you are part of Pharo team members, you should be able to upload to inbox anyway I don't know. I keep getting 403s. I wanted to try to manually upload it from the StHub web interface, but don't see how... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-inbox-changed-tp4677312p4678751.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
On 2013-03-28, at 13:29, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: EstebanLM wrote yes, I agree with everything... we will fix it soon :) Great, I know everyone is working hard. I like the progress even if it hurts sometimes :) EstebanLM wrote Sean, you are part of Pharo team members, you should be able to upload to inbox anyway I don't know. I keep getting 403s. I wanted to try to manually upload it from the StHub web interface, but don't see how... the slice-maker does not copy the repository :/ so you have to go an make sure all the repositories have your credentials :(
Re: [Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks
You mean in the sense of the conflict of interest that Wikipedians love to throw around? (Ron Teitelbaum had to deal with lots of pain when writing up Andreas' page.) frank On 28 March 2013 12:21, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: I could but I do not want people bash me if I focus on Pharo on that page. Stef On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, have you seen it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharo it is old, small, non-accurate and well... it could receive a lot of love :) (the weird thing is that the image is actually a 2.0 image, he) Can anyone adopt the page and update it? thanks, Esteban ps: also... we have a lot of spanish speakers in this list (including myself). It is a shame that we do not have a spanish version :)
Re: [Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks
lol On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:21 PM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: I could but I do not want people bash me if I focus on Pharo on that page. Stef On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, have you seen it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharo it is old, small, non-accurate and well... it could receive a lot of love :) (the weird thing is that the image is actually a 2.0 image, he) Can anyone adopt the page and update it? thanks, Esteban ps: also... we have a lot of spanish speakers in this list (including myself). It is a shame that we do not have a spanish version :)
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
Ah we will have to address this. EstebanLM wrote yes, I agree with everything... we will fix it soon :) Great, I know everyone is working hard. I like the progress even if it hurts sometimes :) EstebanLM wrote Sean, you are part of Pharo team members, you should be able to upload to inbox anyway I don't know. I keep getting 403s. I wanted to try to manually upload it from the StHub web interface, but don't see how... the slice-maker does not copy the repository :/ so you have to go an make sure all the repositories have your credentials :(
[Pharo-project] … and I updated the platform builder for windows
so, windows users can save as... and enjoy the ability of choose an image instead open always the same. enjoy, Esteban ps: working on a slightly better linux script now
Re: [Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks
On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:50 PM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Yes but also I do not want that people think that I want to have less Squeak on the pharo page. To me a Pharo page should be about: all the history about the squeak fork is now history for me. As a newbie I wante to get excited by pharo not understand the history of ant fighting while elephants are running around. The license story is also a pain. I would move all that into history. Yes. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Multiselect in method pane
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10162/multiple-selection-of-methods-in-method-pane-if-CompiledMethods-are-equal Norbert Am 28.03.2013 um 13:02 schrieb Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com: please! :) that would save some major pain here and there ;) On 2013-03-28, at 12:57, Benjamin benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com wrote: if it works go ahead ;) Ben On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr: On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: What is the rationale for having the method pane as multi-select list? I don't think it is of greater use when editing code. I could imagine that some refactoring tasks could be easier having multi-select lists. Anyway, if I try to rename a method without using the refactoring engine I just change the selector, save and delete the method with the old selector. In pharo 2.0 when you rename a method and then click on the old selector both methods are selected and shortcut invocation for deleting deletes both. Which is quite annoying. In my opinion there is no reason for two methods being selected. If you agree I'll happily enter a bug. The problem is not a nautilus bug but a compiled method one if I remember correctly. because two methods with the same body are equal. It happens in MethodWidget#methodSelectionAt:put. When PluggableIconListMorph updates the list selection it calls the MethodWidget to set true on the new method selected. But MethodWidget uses a Dictionary for instVar methodSelection and finds the old method being equal and enables this. As I don't see a reason why a selection should be done by equality this behavior can be fixed by using an IdentityDictionary. Fix: MethodWidget#initialize super initialize. methodsSelection := IdentityDictionary new. Any arguments? Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] Versionner in pharo 2.0
btw... why is there a ConfigurationOfVersionner in verified repo for 2.0 if it is not working (and therefore, it is not verified)? Esteban On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Christophe Demarey christophe.dema...@inria.fr wrote: Hi Norbert, Here is a patch for announcements (and some other things) for Versionner on Pharo2. Unzip, add this folder as repository in Monticello and load latest packages versions. After that, I'm not sure it will help you because there are issues with MetacelloToolbox. I'm working on that and I hope to have good news soon. Regards, Christophe. pharo2-port.zip Le 28 mars 2013 à 12:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : Hi Norbert, Check around SystemAnnouncer :) Esteban On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Can you tell me what an equivalent to a SystemChangeNotifier call would be today? I can derive Announcement class names from the message sends to SystemChangeNotifier. But I don't know e.g. where is the announcer in the system where you would register for class change, method modified etc. announcements. Norbert Am 28.03.2013 um 11:51 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com: there is work in progress... a bit slow because my times (and Christoph's) are a bit... overcharged :) On Mar 28, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Is there work in progress to make Versionner work in pharo 2.0? The problems I see are at first related to the removal SystemChangeNotifier. If nobody is working on it is there any reading material about the changes from SystemChangeNotifier to Announcements? I could fix it myself then but I don't know nothing about this system internal. thanks, Norbert
Re: [Pharo-project] How to redraw only a part of a morph
2013/3/28 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: On 28 March 2013 12:05, Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I try to optimize the graphic framework I'm porting. I have good performance but I have some problem to reDraw the morph of my view. When I reDraw my morph I use 'invalidRect:' with the bound of the part I want to reDraw but every step my morph is entirely reDraw. Does I have to use another method? Or someone can explain me how pharo manage the repaint of morph? The thing you looking for called clipping. Usually (and if possible) morph should try and detect what parts of his drawing needs to be updated and update only minimum part covered by clipping region. But that implies some internal knowledge about morph's geometry etc.. and that's why a default implementation simply (re)draws everything. Ok I simulate the clip in updating my canvas with 'copyClipRect: myClip' This is functional and improve a LOT the performance :) I juste have to make some refactoring with some event and animation which have some bad behavior for the redrawing and I have to see if copyClipRect: is not a bad method to use. Thanks :) I will ask today if I can make a video of my work because is very impressive of what we can do on Pharo with the framework! Please do. And if the reDraw is functional we certainly have the same performance with Pharo! Come to see me and we will look how we can optimize it :) For the moment it's a bit difficult to ask help for the framework because it's a Thalès license... I work with my tutor to make a part of the framework as open-source and add it to Pharo but I need to show that Pharo it's so cool and performant and actually it's work ;) I'm optimist :) So good news :) Tristan -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo inbox changed
Same here 2013/3/28 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com: EstebanLM wrote the bad news: since sthub still does not accepts open commits, you need to be added to the repository to commit slices (sorry about that) WTF! This seems totally wrong and bad and evil and... ;) I know we love StHub, but this is unsustainable. Unless StHub is adding open commits today, why not put the inbox on ss3 temporarily. I feel we will lose a /lot/ of help this way. Not everyone is willing to go through/knows about the communication process of being added... p.s. please add me :) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-inbox-changed-tp4677312p4678741.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[Pharo-project] obtaining a FileUrl through StringasUrl
Hi, I am trying to get to a FileUrl via the polymorphic asUrl call, but it seems I am doing something wrong. I do: 'file:d:\' asUrl but the problem seems that $: and $\ are mangled, because when I print, I get: file:///d%3A%5C Furthermore: 'file:d:\' asUrl asFileReference exists == false but, at the same time: 'd:\' asFileReference exists == true Can anyone tell me where is the mistake? Btw, the reason I am looking for this is that I would like to use the ZeroConf support to load a configuration from a directory Monticello repository and to do that I have to pass a url to the command line. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
Re: [Pharo-project] obtaining a FileUrl through StringasUrl
On 2013-03-28, at 14:44, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to get to a FileUrl via the polymorphic asUrl call, but it seems I am doing something wrong. I do: 'file:d:\' asUrl but the problem seems that $: and $\ are mangled, because when I print, I get: file:///d%3A%5C Furthermore: 'file:d:\' asUrl asFileReference exists == false but, at the same time: 'd:\' asFileReference exists == true Can anyone tell me where is the mistake? Btw, the reason I am looking for this is that I would like to use the ZeroConf support to load a configuration from a directory Monticello repository and to do that I have to pass a url to the command line. I guess that will work out of the box under linux. I think the URL parsing with the directory letter under windows is broken. And I bet there is no test catching that either. Did you try the following? 'file://d:/' asUrl 'file:d:/' asUrl
Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] More GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....
A short idea for a GSoC project to improve the debugger. Cheers, Andrei --- Title: Improving the inspection of expressions in the debugger Level: beginner/intermediate Possible mentor: Andrei Chis Possible second mentor: Nicolas Passerini, Tudor Girba Description: The debugger is a central tool in any programming language, as it helps developers understand the dynamic behaviour of applications. Furthermore, in Smalltalk, it can also be used to write code and thus extend applications while they are running. One important aspect that is missing in the current Pharo debugger, is the ability to view the value of intermediate expressions involved in method calls. For example consider the call: ^ self doSomething: (anArray at: 2) with: aStream next onlyIf: aCondition isValid. In order to view the values of the expressions (anArray at: 2), (aStream next) and (aCondition isValid) we have to directly go into the actual method call. Furthermore, viewing the return value can be more difficult, if we do not store it into a variable. The goal of this project is to add support for exploring these kind of expressions by using dedicated widgets. For example, one alternative might be adding pseudo variables into inspectors, while another might consist in using popups that display these values for any expression selected in the editor. Technical Details: The student will have to understand how the debugger works, and will have to familiarise himself with the new debugging infrastructure. Also, he'll have to look into at least a framework for building UIs (Spec/Glamour). Benefits to the Student: He will get a deep understanding of how debugging is done, on how the debugger works and he'll also interact with a framework for building UIs. Benefits to the Community: The community will bet a better debugger, in which values passed and returned by methods could be easily explored using different widgets. --- On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Janko Mivšek janko.miv...@eranova.si wrote: Dear Pharoers, Ideas are slowly coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So, stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea for now! Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea template: Title: Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced) Possible mentor: (if already known) Possible second mentor: (if already known) Description Technical Details Benefits to the Student Benefits to the Community Best regards Serge and Janko, your this year GSoC admins -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Re: [Pharo-project] How to redraw only a part of a morph
On 28 March 2013 14:28, Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/28 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com: On 28 March 2013 12:05, Tristan Bourgois tristan.bourg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I try to optimize the graphic framework I'm porting. I have good performance but I have some problem to reDraw the morph of my view. When I reDraw my morph I use 'invalidRect:' with the bound of the part I want to reDraw but every step my morph is entirely reDraw. Does I have to use another method? Or someone can explain me how pharo manage the repaint of morph? The thing you looking for called clipping. Usually (and if possible) morph should try and detect what parts of his drawing needs to be updated and update only minimum part covered by clipping region. But that implies some internal knowledge about morph's geometry etc.. and that's why a default implementation simply (re)draws everything. Ok I simulate the clip in updating my canvas with 'copyClipRect: myClip' This is functional and improve a LOT the performance :) I juste have to make some refactoring with some event and animation which have some bad behavior for the redrawing and I have to see if copyClipRect: is not a bad method to use. Thanks :) I will ask today if I can make a video of my work because is very impressive of what we can do on Pharo with the framework! Please do. And if the reDraw is functional we certainly have the same performance with Pharo! Come to see me and we will look how we can optimize it :) For the moment it's a bit difficult to ask help for the framework because it's a Thalès license... i just offering my help. you (or your boss) are free to reject it , of course.. for whatever reason :) I work with my tutor to make a part of the framework as open-source and add it to Pharo but I need to show that Pharo it's so cool and performant and actually it's work ;) I'm optimist :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Re: [Pharo-project] obtaining a FileUrl through StringasUrl
'file:d:/' asUrl == file:///d%3A/ 'file://d:/' asUrl == file://d:/ The second looks nice, but: 'file://d:/' asUrl asFileReference == File @ The problem seems to be that: 'file://d:/' asUrl pathString == '' :( Cheers, Doru On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013-03-28, at 14:44, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to get to a FileUrl via the polymorphic asUrl call, but it seems I am doing something wrong. I do: 'file:d:\' asUrl but the problem seems that $: and $\ are mangled, because when I print, I get: file:///d%3A%5C Furthermore: 'file:d:\' asUrl asFileReference exists == false but, at the same time: 'd:\' asFileReference exists == true Can anyone tell me where is the mistake? Btw, the reason I am looking for this is that I would like to use the ZeroConf support to load a configuration from a directory Monticello repository and to do that I have to pass a url to the command line. I guess that will work out of the box under linux. I think the URL parsing with the directory letter under windows is broken. And I bet there is no test catching that either. Did you try the following? 'file://d:/' asUrl 'file:d:/' asUrl -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
Re: [Pharo-project] obtaining a FileUrl through StringasUrl
ok that IS broken then :/ could you open an issue? On 2013-03-28, at 15:08, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: 'file:d:/' asUrl == file:///d%3A/ 'file://d:/' asUrl == file://d:/ The second looks nice, but: 'file://d:/' asUrl asFileReference == File @ The problem seems to be that: 'file://d:/' asUrl pathString == '' :( Cheers, Doru On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013-03-28, at 14:44, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to get to a FileUrl via the polymorphic asUrl call, but it seems I am doing something wrong. I do: 'file:d:\' asUrl but the problem seems that $: and $\ are mangled, because when I print, I get: file:///d%3A%5C Furthermore: 'file:d:\' asUrl asFileReference exists == false but, at the same time: 'd:\' asFileReference exists == true Can anyone tell me where is the mistake? Btw, the reason I am looking for this is that I would like to use the ZeroConf support to load a configuration from a directory Monticello repository and to do that I have to pass a url to the command line. I guess that will work out of the box under linux. I think the URL parsing with the directory letter under windows is broken. And I bet there is no test catching that either. Did you try the following? 'file://d:/' asUrl 'file:d:/' asUrl -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
[Pharo-project] Project Show Tell - LEKtrek
LEKtrek is a software development platform for electrical power applications. This is my masters project to provide the GUI for modeling electrical power networks, into which researchers can plug calculations. These video presentations are still a work in progress, but just in case you needed some filler for the Show Us Your Project sessions at PharoConf/MooseDay, please feel free to use any portion of the three videos listed below. These can be viewed using VLC. Note that the 020 video was the first I ever produced and suffers a little for quality until I can fix it after writing up my dissertation. Quality gets better in the later videos 010 and 030. http://files.openinworld.com/LEKtrek/ * LEKtrek 010 Introduction 2013-02-25.mp4 - 6min - background context for the project * LEKtrek 020 Explorer User 2013-02-28.mp4 - 8min30 - a tool to explore the IEC 61970 Common Information Model (of electrical power networks) * LEKtrek 030 Modeller User 2013-03-19.mp4 - 9min - a tool for modeling an electrical power network, and executing calculations on that model. The project is based on top of Roassal, Glamour Magritte 3. It will released open-source, but I am still musing over the finer points of several licenses, which waits on completion of my dissertation. Any and all feedback on contents and aesthetics are welcome. cheers -ben
Re: [Pharo-project] about a new pharo site
The Vagrant site is cool. The RoR is nice too, but a little old these days. But I agree the Pharo site needs to be better, and modern. You don't have to leave the Smalltalk community to find a simple site: Amber-lang.net It has all, what I think, a newcomer would expect: an intro, a few FAQs, a code snippet, links to download it or to its Github repo. The same goes for the Node.js webiste. Python and Django on the other hand have more complex websites. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/3/28 Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com: I like this http://vagrantup.com and I think you have to immediately address the users by letting them chose I am new = show how to download details and everything I am pro = directly show raw links / discussions ... I am a company? :D of course one should not exclude the other, but we should optimize for the targeted audience On 2013-03-28, at 11:49, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to discuss something about a complete redesign of the site because right now, while it was good some years ago, now is old and confusing... I would like something clean and easy, more or less like the ruby on rails site: http://rubyonrails.org ideas? Esteban ps: this is a brainstorm for a change that will take time, do not expect too much too soon :)
Re: [Pharo-project] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?
Any hints on how to load the Magritte-Seaside package?
Regards,
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/28 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com:
Magritte2 is a bit old. Magritte3 loads fine (we are using it in Moose).
Doru
On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:11 AM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com
wrote:
Did anybody manage to load Magritte 2 at least?
When running this:
Gofer it
squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
package: 'ConfigurationOfMagritte2';
load.
(ConfigurationOfMagritte2 project version: '2.0.6') load:
#('Magritte-Seaside')
I get the following error:
This package depends on the following classes:
BlockContext
You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load
these definitions:
magritteDynamicObject
Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/3/27 Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com:
EstebanLM wrote
So... I wonder... is that because we made a really cool release, or just
because nobody is using it?
I've ported most of my projects to 2.0, but I've been on holidays for a few
weeks, so I haven't updated to the released version. I'll know better this
week, but IIRC most of the bugs I noticed have been fixed.
-
Cheers,
Sean
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Re: [Pharo-project] about a new pharo site
https://lastpass.com/ http://www.atlassian.com/ http://belighted.com/ A common fixture is at the bottom with the footer including a ton of links under the fold. And a call to action just in the face of visitors (get it, download it etc) And a damn product packshot. (screen shot for non ad junkies). FWIW, notice that there is a ton of social proof in there in the form of logos, testimonials etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof Social proof is the best thing ever for us humans, we do have a herd mentality, even if the ST community still evades this somewhat. Phil 2013/3/28 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com: The Vagrant site is cool. The RoR is nice too, but a little old these days. But I agree the Pharo site needs to be better, and modern. You don't have to leave the Smalltalk community to find a simple site: Amber-lang.net It has all, what I think, a newcomer would expect: an intro, a few FAQs, a code snippet, links to download it or to its Github repo. The same goes for the Node.js webiste. Python and Django on the other hand have more complex websites. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/3/28 Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com: I like this http://vagrantup.com and I think you have to immediately address the users by letting them chose I am new = show how to download details and everything I am pro = directly show raw links / discussions ... I am a company? :D of course one should not exclude the other, but we should optimize for the targeted audience On 2013-03-28, at 11:49, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to discuss something about a complete redesign of the site because right now, while it was good some years ago, now is old and confusing... I would like something clean and easy, more or less like the ruby on rails site: http://rubyonrails.org ideas? Esteban ps: this is a brainstorm for a change that will take time, do not expect too much too soon :)
[Pharo-project] Ring namespaces
I see in a few scattered bits and pieces that Ring will support namespaces. So that presumably that will assist in porting VW code to Pharo? How near is that functionality? cheers -ben
[Pharo-project] One more project for GSoc 2012
One more project idea for Smalltalk GSoC 2013. -- Title: Phratch, a port of Scratch to Pharo 2.0 Level: intermediate Possible mentor: Jannick Laval Possible second mentor: Serge Stinckwich Description: Phratch (https://code.google.com/p/phratch/) is an ongoing port of Scratch and BYOB on Pharo 2.0. The current prototype is still suffering from a lot of bugs. Part of the work will be to add unit tests to the existing project. Even if this is a port to Pharo, we will try to build a new version that is flavor-independent. The long term objective of Phratch is to be able to use it for teaching software engineering and robotics. Technical Details: Pharo and some knowledge of Squeak Benefits to the Student: Student will participate to a very cool project. Benefits to the Community: Scratch will be rebuild on top of a modern Smalltalk version and will benefit from lastest development in the core library and VM. -- -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Marcus Denker-4 wrote Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a boundary somewhere. I don't think this is the right place to draw it. I'm going to work now, but I'll do it later. I guess I could just take the nightly ones and manually stick in the release image, right? Please… this now does *not* need to be done. Please. Please. Please… (I am dead) - the images are carefully hand prepared (yes, this is shitty, we will fix that eventually). - the files are served from gforge so that we count the downloads (politically important). - now the download and the download 2.0 pages are out of sync. The thing is that I have not Time and no Energy to work on this now. The problem is that every change has as a result work to be done. We should be careful to not waste our energy. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks
I tried to write some more stuff on the French Pharo wiki page : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharo . I moved all the reference to history (birth of smalltalk, relation with companies, forking) in the history section. I tried to focus the page on How to use Pharo and Who uses Pharo. I would like the add a part 'Why Pharo is so great' with all its nice features, which are kind of already in the introduction of the page but I don't know how to present it well and what to focus on. Right now it is more like 'It is smalltalk so it is great' but not 'This is Pharo and these are the reasons why it is great' like they have on Amber web page. Tell me if you like the way I made the French Pharo wiki page I will translate it in English. If you have somewhere a list of great features of Pharo to inspire me so I can write it down in a section. Some more reference on how to learn Smalltalk would be nice too (Adding to Pharo by example 1 2) 2013/3/28 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:50 PM, stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr wrote: Yes but also I do not want that people think that I want to have less Squeak on the pharo page. To me a Pharo page should be about: all the history about the squeak fork is now history for me. As a newbie I wante to get excited by pharo not understand the history of ant fighting while elephants are running around. The license story is also a pain. I would move all that into history. Yes. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-project] Project Show Tell - LEKtrek
I only had a brief look. Exciting :) Doru On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: LEKtrek is a software development platform for electrical power applications. This is my masters project to provide the GUI for modeling electrical power networks, into which researchers can plug calculations. These video presentations are still a work in progress, but just in case you needed some filler for the Show Us Your Project sessions at PharoConf/MooseDay, please feel free to use any portion of the three videos listed below. These can be viewed using VLC. Note that the 020 video was the first I ever produced and suffers a little for quality until I can fix it after writing up my dissertation. Quality gets better in the later videos 010 and 030. http://files.openinworld.com/**LEKtrek/http://files.openinworld.com/LEKtrek/ * LEKtrek 010 Introduction 2013-02-25.mp4 - 6min - background context for the project * LEKtrek 020 Explorer User 2013-02-28.mp4 - 8min30 - a tool to explore the IEC 61970 Common Information Model (of electrical power networks) * LEKtrek 030 Modeller User 2013-03-19.mp4 - 9min - a tool for modeling an electrical power network, and executing calculations on that model. The project is based on top of Roassal, Glamour Magritte 3. It will released open-source, but I am still musing over the finer points of several licenses, which waits on completion of my dissertation. Any and all feedback on contents and aesthetics are welcome. cheers -ben -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
Re: [Pharo-project] bump: pharo wikipedia page sucks
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com wrote: I tried to write some more stuff on the French Pharo wiki page : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharo . I moved all the reference to history (birth of smalltalk, relation with companies, forking) in the history section. I tried to focus the page on How to use Pharo and Who uses Pharo. I would like the add a part 'Why Pharo is so great' with all its nice features, which are kind of already in the introduction of the page but I don't know how to present it well and what to focus on. Right now it is more like 'It is smalltalk so it is great' but not 'This is Pharo and these are the reasons why it is great' like they have on Amber web page. Tell me if you like the way I made the French Pharo wiki page I will translate it in English. If you have somewhere a list of great features of Pharo to inspire me so I can write it down in a section. Some more reference on how to learn Smalltalk would be nice too (Adding to Pharo by example 1 2) Thank you Clement for your work. I agree with you that the Pharo should be redesign massively ;-) Maybe we should talk on the french Smalltalk mailing-list how we redesign the page ? Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/
Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] More GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....
There was a work with Tiny Core Linux, that could easily be adapted for this. Depends on the details of what features needs to work though for appropriate additional libraries to be integrated in TCL . On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.comwrote: Title: A Pharo Image running on top of VirtualBox with the help of a Linux micro kernel Level: intermediate Possible mentor: Clement Bera Possible second mentor: Marcus Denker, Camillo Bruni Description Archiving Pharo / Squeak Image is not easy : it depends on a VM, that depends on a processor and an OS. Sometimes, we find old Pharo / Squeak Image that we cannot run because we have lost the appropriate VM. This is even more relevant when the project rely on a specifically built VM. Moreover, sometimes we have also lost the Pharo / Squeak Image sources from that image and we cannot read easily the code. I propose then to save the working image with its sources, changes file and VM into a virtual box image in order to have it working on top of virtual box easily forever. This way the archived image will only depends on the computer processor, and not on VM, OS, computer processor, source file, change file Technical Details The student would have to identify a minimum linux kernel in order to run Pharo. Then, he would have to implement some Pharo code so that by entering 'Smalltalk saveAsVirtualBoxImage' in workspace it would create a virtual box image in the same folder, with the current VM, source file, change file, image and the minimum linux kernel. This command will probably go get some part of the virtual box image (for instance the linux micro kernel) or some external tool as Vagrant (http://www.vagrantup.com) somewhere on the internet. Running the virtual box image would directly run the Pharo image on the Pharo VM through a start-up process. Lastly, the student would have to set up a Jenkins job on the Pharo-contribution continuous integration server that create a Pharo virtual box image. If some time is remaining, the student would have to find a solution to manage the Pharo image crashes in virtual box. Benefits to the Student The student will learn some smalltalk (networking, commandLineHandler), how to set up a build in a Jenkins continuous integration server and some linux command line. He will also have a nice impressive open source tool to show. Benefits to the Community The community will benefit from the archiving tool. The Pharo virtual box image could also be interesting for some experiments. 2013/3/26 stephane ducasse stephane.duca...@free.fr On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Janko Mivšek janko.miv...@eranova.si wrote: Hi Stef, Dne 26. 03. 2013 13:35, piše stephane ducasse: Janko Can you put andrei chis and nicolas passerini for Debugger improvment projects. Put where? As mentors? Yes they are more into it. I know that alexandre should propose a couple of topics around roassal. I could come up with a couple of other topics. Here is one: Added Best regards Janko Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea template: Title: Better rewriting rule tool Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced) Intermediate Possible mentor: (if already known) Stephane Ducasse Possible second mentor: (if already known) Andre Hora Description The refactoring browser is based on a powerful rewrite engine which transforms AST. However it is quite cumbersome to write rewrite rules. There is a need to build a tool to help programmers defining their own transformation. Technical Details Benefits to the Student learning AST learning AST transofrmation learning AST pattern matching User interface definition Benefits to the Community A tool that is cruelly missing. Best regards Serge and Janko, your this year GSoC admins -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Re: [Pharo-project] obtaining a FileUrl through StringasUrl
Hi Doru, On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:08, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: 'file:d:/' asUrl == file:///d%3A/ 'file://d:/' asUrl == file://d:/ The second looks nice, but: 'file://d:/' asUrl asFileReference == File @ The problem seems to be that: 'file://d:/' asUrl pathString == '' :( You could try a bit with the extension methods in the package Zinc-Resource-Meta-FileSystem in Pharo 2.0 'file:///c:/' asZnUrl asFileReference == File @ /c: But Windows File URLs are a big mess ;-) So, any help is greatly appreciated, but do also check specifications. Sven Cheers, Doru On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-03-28, at 14:44, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to get to a FileUrl via the polymorphic asUrl call, but it seems I am doing something wrong. I do: 'file:d:\' asUrl but the problem seems that $: and $\ are mangled, because when I print, I get: file:///d%3A%5C Furthermore: 'file:d:\' asUrl asFileReference exists == false but, at the same time: 'd:\' asFileReference exists == true Can anyone tell me where is the mistake? Btw, the reason I am looking for this is that I would like to use the ZeroConf support to load a configuration from a directory Monticello repository and to do that I have to pass a url to the command line. I guess that will work out of the box under linux. I think the URL parsing with the directory letter under windows is broken. And I bet there is no test catching that either. Did you try the following? 'file://d:/' asUrl 'file:d:/' asUrl -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill
Re: [Pharo-project] Non-Smalltalk content in Pharo and Nautilus
I would love to have one for Groovy..!
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote:
When working with Seaside (or other frameworks) one often works with
non-Smalltalk resources
stored within the image (CSS styles, images, ...) often stored as strings
within
methods:
myCss
^'body {
background-color: #ce;
}'
or
script
^'alert(hello from Javascript);'
I also often see Base64 encoded images, or when working with XML a method
might return XML content.
With things like Helvetia [1], the reworked autocompletion/syntax
highlighting and new
browsers like Nautilus in mind I wonder if (may be in the not so far
future) I can:
- click on a Smalltalk method to get ST styling and edit functionality
- click on a CSS content method to do CSS styling and completion
- click on a method with a form content to display the picture (and not
the Base64 encoded string)
- click on an XML content to browse the XML tree
- click on an HTML providing method to edit HTML and maybe preview
- click on a method with CSV to edit the tabular data within a grid
- click on a primitive method to see Slang or C/C++ code
- ...
Internally the content can be distinguished using pragmas:
myCss
mime-type: text/css
^'body {
background-color: #ce;
}'
Are there any plans to move Pharo into this not only Smalltalk in
methods direction?
Is it already possible to easily extend Nautilus with pluggable custom
panes depending on the
method content.
I see that there are buttons on the Nautilus side. Wouldnt it be better to
have Tabs
with Source as default and where I can add my own custom tabs?
Would be a lot of work to provide editors and stylers for all the
mime-types or autocompletion
for JavaScript, SQL, ... whatever. But the question is more do we have
the groundwork so
people can built up on it.
Any comments?
Thx
T.
[1] http://scg.unibe.ch/research/helvetia
[Pharo-project] [ANN] Fuel Release Version 1.9
Hi all, We are happy to announce Fuel 1.9. Fuel is an open-source general-purpose object serialization framework developed in Pharo. You can find more information on our website [1]. The default set of packages of this version already comes in Pharo 2.0, so you it's not necessary to install it there. However, Fuel also works out-of-the-box in Pharo from 1.1 up to 2.0, as well as in Squeak 4.1 up to 4.4. You can see our documentation [2] for complete installation and use guides. Changes: - (feature) DoIt and not-installed CompiledMethods are fully serialized by default. - (fix) Date DateAndTime (thanks Cami and Marcus) (already included in Fuel 1.8.1 and 1.8.2). - (feature) New hooks methods #fuelNew and #fuelNew: for custom instantiation (see Hooking instance creation in Customizing the Graph). - Globals: - Added #globalEnvironment: to specify where the globals are looked-up. (see Changing the environment in Managing Globals). - Explicit references to Smalltalk globals changed to self class environment. - A SystemDictionary instance is not treated as global when it is not Smalltalk globals. - Documentation: - General update - New Format Migration section. - New Built-in Header Support section. - (feature) Put back FLSerializeron:. - (optimization) New clusters for SmallInteger. - (optimization) New clusters for most common collections. - (feature) Built-in support for header (See Built-in Header Support): - pre and post materialization actions (clean closures). - attach additional objects. - materialize only the header. - (fix) Safer substitutions (see FLPluggableSubstitutionTesttestPrivateExcluded). - (feature) Materialize .fuel files when dragdropped in the image. - (cleanup) Removed unneeded cluster: FLWellKnownObjectsCluster. [1]: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel [2]: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel/Version1.9/Documentationhttp://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel/Version1.8/Documentation We want to thank developers of the community that enrich the project with code, issue reports and ideas. Have fun! Martin (on behalf of Mariano and Max, who worked a lot on this version)
Re: [Pharo-project] More GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....
Hi, I hope it is not too late :) We have some ideas we will like to do: * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Title: Improving Roassal Scalability Level: Intermediate Possible mentor: Vanessa Peña-Araya Possible second mentor:Alexandre Bergel Description: The Roassal visualization engine is getting more users in the Smalltalk community every day. This means more complex visualizations are created using Roassal, and the amount of data the user wants to represent is larger. However Roassal is still behind to answer this demands as it lacks from scalability for big visualizations, resulting in very slow displaying and events answering. In this project we plan to fix this problem and allow Roassal to become a efficient tool Technical Details: In this project the student will define and implement a strategy for faster displaying for the visualizations and events reaction. This includes understanding the techniques currently used in other visualization tools. Benefits to the Student: - Learn and understand Roassal, including its structure and design - Learn graphical tools techniques mainly for rendering and event responding Benefits to the Community: Allowing the community to have a faster and efficient visualization tool, making Roassal a powerful visualization engine and answering to the demand to render large amount of data. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Title:Composing layouts on Roassal Level:Begginer Possible mentor:Vanessa Peña-Araya Possible second mentor:Alexandre Bergel Description: Roassal includes a set of layouts to automatically arrange visual elements on a view, however this feature is very limited. When two different set of elements requires to be arranged in different way, a manual translation must be done to one of the set the particular layouts are applied, to avoid overlapping. There is also no way to compose layouts to create more complex distributions. For example, it is not possible to arrange a set of elements in a circle layout around a particular element, which it’s arranged in a grid with other elements. Technical Details: - Create a layout composer, allowing a view to organize its elements in different layouts easily and without arranging the elements “by hand”. Example: a view with the first 5 elements as a grid and the following 5 as a horizontal line, without manual translation. - Allow to compose layout not only for views but also for element, as the example described in the description. - Create an expressive command for use it in Roassal and its corresponding equivalent for the Mondrian DSL Benefits to the Student: - Learn and understand Roassal, including its structure and design - Understand Roassal and Mondrian expressive commands Benefits to the Community: The community will have a better way to create visualizations in Roassal. This will removing the need of unnecessary manual translation of elements, allowing to arrange visual elements in more complex distribution automatically. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Title: Improve the Roassal animation “engine” Level:Beginner/Intermediate Possible mentor:Vanessa Peña-Araya Possible second mentor:Alexandre Bergel Description: Roassal allows to create animations with simple scripting. However to execute an animation after another, it is necessary to set a block containing the second animation to be executed once the first is finished. This means that for creating sequential animations a lot of work and scripting needs to be done. This project will provide a better way to create and display animations. Technical Details: The student will: - Create an animation composer, changing the need to define sequential animations by defining a block to be executed after an animation is finished. - Allow to set the amount of time an animation needs to be finished, instead of only allowing the number of cycles to do it. This allows for an animation to be completed in the same amount of time, in all the different platforms (Pharo, VW, VA, Amber) works. - Allow the possibility of stop an animation. If there is an animation sequence in which this one is included, start the following animation in the queue in a smooth manner. - Create an expressive command for use it in Roassal and its corresponding equivalent for the Mondrian DSL Benefits to the Student: - Learn and understand Roassal, including its structure and design - Learn about how animations are created in Roassal and other visualizations engines - Understand Roassal and Mondrian expressive commands Benefits to the Community: The community will have a better animations engine included in Roassal. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cheers and
Re: [Pharo-project] Suggestion about Phexample and StateSpecs(Mocketry) integration
Ok. I can do this. I think showing examples from project wiki page is enough. Plus demo of how extend syntax sugar and how to use stubs. What people really want to see about mock objects framework? 2013/3/27 Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com If you can write step by step instruction what to show, I can do it. Right now all my time is used to prepare my own presentation, so I can't do it myself. uko On 27 бер. 2013, at 18:41, Denis Kudriashov dionisi...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/27 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com Perhaps Mocketry would be a good topic for a Show us your projects session. Then we can try to go into a couple of more details. Unfortunately I can't participate conference this year Cheers, Doru On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: Sounds good to me. On 26 бер. 2013, at 23:00, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-03-26, at 19:45, Denis Kudriashov dionisi...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/26 Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com Ok, and what if we will change behavior a bit so if no definitions were found it will send the incoming message to enclosed object? This way it will work like phexample but will also allow to define some fancy DSL. We can copy all phexample syntax methods into single class inside StateSpecs package but replace implementation with pragmas approach. So anybody can browse implementors like usual and it will not required any special cases. How I can influence your interest, guys? I can provide cleaning, comments, improvements to StateSpecs. I opened for your requirements. Phexample become quite popular and can be part of Pharo sometimes. Mocketry/StateSpecs used by people too. It would be bad if this packages can't be used together. sorry for starting the whole rant :) I am veery busy at least until tomorrow Yuriy we can discuss that after tomorrow? I would as well appreciate some common solution to avoid the selector clash. On 26 бер. 2013, at 07:46, Denis Kudriashov dionisi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello 2013/3/26 Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.com Definitely StateSpec looks more mature and can be used in a more flexible way. But I am not a big fan of the pragma magic. Why? It breaks all tools for me :/. If I see a message send I want to be able to: - browse it, so I can see who implements it? - debug it directly to get to the real method. SateSpec does indeed help writing readable code by allowing almost grammatically correct sentences. However I don't think this is the way to program. I am a big fan of stupid english: `foo should isKindOf: Bar` vs. `foo should be an instance of: Bar` If I want to figure out how the first one works, I can simply browse the implementors of #should and/or #isKindOf: where is the StateSpec version I am lost. I have to rely on contains string literal to get the sources, for me that is very strange. I think main thing you want is easilly explore all available should syntax. And StateSpecs can be easilly adopted for such task. We can just move all methods with syntax pragmas to single class. So you can open this class and see what available. To get implementors of some should expression you should use senders search of syntax words instead of implementors. Syntax words in StateSpecs is just method literals ( syntax: #(be an instance of:), #() is just array of symbols). Interesting that StateSpecs has more explicit syntax system. How you can explore in Phexample expression: object should be true ? You have separate PheMatcherbe and PheMatchertrue methods and there is no places in code where you can see that this messages can and should be used together. But with StateSpecs you should put pragma with explicit expression like: Equaltrue: anObject syntax: #(be true) ^self return: (IdentitySpec pattern: true) So with StateSpecs you have full syntax expression at one place which can be easy explored. And for example to support Phexample mesage #beTrue you should just add another pragma: Equaltrue: anObject syntax: #(be true) syntax: #(beTrue) ^self return: (IdentitySpec pattern: true) So with Phexample you can browse implementors of single word should expressions. But with Phexample if you browse implementors of #be like messages you have no idea how it can be used. In StateSpecs you should use senders. And with StateSpecs if you browse any syntax word implementors by senders seach you will see all possible usage cases. And if I move all methods with syntax pragmas to single class you can easilly see all possible expressions in one place. `foo should isKindOf: Bar` vs. `foo should be an instance of: Bar` With StateSpecs it should be foo should be a kind of: Bar And as I said before It is simple task to support all Phexample
[Pharo-project] Request write access to PharoInbox
Hello, can someone give me write access to PharoInbox? Nicolas Cellier
Re: [Pharo-project] Versionner in pharo 2.0
Le 28 mars 2013 à 14:13, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit : btw... why is there a ConfigurationOfVersionner in verified repo for 2.0 if it is not working (and therefore, it is not verified)? What do you mean by verified repo for 2.0 ? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
[Pharo-project] TxText progress and discussion
Hello. I implement positioning text for new TxTextMorph. You can now see blinking cursor, move it right, left, up and down, position it by mouse click. I make new version 0.4 which restore jenkins builds https://ci.inria.fr/rmod/job/TxText/, You can try TxTextMorph class side example methods. Details: Cursor position at visual text presented by TxTextLayoutPosition. TxTextLayoutPosition has state: - textLayout - span - TxLayoutSpan (introduced by Igor suggestion) - spanPosition - index inside TxLayoutSpan - desiredOffset - desired x offset from start of visual line. It can differ from actual (x,y) position - xyValue - actual (x,y) position inside visual text box. TxTextLayoutPosition implements moveRight. moveLeft, moveUp and moveDown methods. Desired offset allow moving up and down with remember of first offset. Example: 123456 123 123456 Cursor moves from up to bottom. Position of cursor at each line will be after red char. It is common behaviour of text editors. But our current text morph not works such way. And current text morph implements move up and move down in terms of index from start line. So it is visually incorrect up or down movement for no mono fonts. Try this to check it: WW - 6 W-characters, move from 6-th W-char down and try same at pharo. 1234567890 TxLayoutSpan present part of text span which placed at some line and has offset, extent and font. It was created by layout builder to fit text layout restrictions. When text span wrapped by max line width restriction It splitted for two or more LayoutSpan's. TxLayoutSpan has span interval (TxInterval). Igor was suggest removing explicit font attribute from text model and replace it with small font parts like family name, bold, underlined and others. He said it's should be responsibillity of view system to select appropriate font by this attributes. I don't know is it good idea. But I have some user cases where it is needed. So TxLayoutSpan allows such design decision. That's why it has font instance. TxLayoutSpan is created by layout builder which can select appropriate font for underlying spans. Now it just extracts font from span attributes like before. There is TxCursorMorph which presents blinking cursor (basic morph stepping logic). So visual text cursor is just submorph of TextMorph. I not yet implement any communication level between TxTextLayout, TxTextLayoutPosition and morphs. It is for future. Now morphs implemented to show what already works. I needs help with namings. All ideas are welcome. For example we have too much different position names: - TxPosition with vars linePosition, spanPosition - indexes - TxTextLayoutPosition with vars spanPosition (index of char), desiredOffset (x coordinate of offset inside line), xyValue (x@ycoordinates inside text box) - TxCharactersSpan methods: #isLastPosition: , #lastInsertPosition - indexes - TxLayoutSpan methods: #charPositionAtOffset: (char index at offset). #computeXYPositionAt:, #containsXPosition:, #endPosition (TxPosition). I want easily understand what kind of position method means. In TxLayoutSpan I try to distinct it by charPosition and xyPosition. I dont sure it is nice. And I don't like name of TxLayoutSpan. (too many spans). Small tasks which I have in mind: - more cursor movement actions - make settings for shortcuts at TxTextMorph - make cursor actions dynamically connected to shortcut settings. Each cursor action (method) should automatically creates shortcut setting for it. There is strange problem with TxTextMorph when it is transparent. Try change #drawOn: method to see it (remove rectangle filling). Next I will implement events logic to update TxLayoutPosition when layout changed. And text selection stuff. Best regards, Denis
Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Project Show Tell - LEKtrek
Looks like to be an excellent piece of work. Do you have a website or something? We would like to advertise this. Cheers, Alexandre On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: LEKtrek is a software development platform for electrical power applications. This is my masters project to provide the GUI for modeling electrical power networks, into which researchers can plug calculations. These video presentations are still a work in progress, but just in case you needed some filler for the Show Us Your Project sessions at PharoConf/MooseDay, please feel free to use any portion of the three videos listed below. These can be viewed using VLC. Note that the 020 video was the first I ever produced and suffers a little for quality until I can fix it after writing up my dissertation. Quality gets better in the later videos 010 and 030. http://files.openinworld.com/LEKtrek/ * LEKtrek 010 Introduction 2013-02-25.mp4 - 6min - background context for the project * LEKtrek 020 Explorer User 2013-02-28.mp4 - 8min30 - a tool to explore the IEC 61970 Common Information Model (of electrical power networks) * LEKtrek 030 Modeller User 2013-03-19.mp4 - 9min - a tool for modeling an electrical power network, and executing calculations on that model. The project is based on top of Roassal, Glamour Magritte 3. It will released open-source, but I am still musing over the finer points of several licenses, which waits on completion of my dissertation. Any and all feedback on contents and aesthetics are welcome. cheers -ben ___ Moose-dev mailing list moose-...@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Re: [Pharo-project] Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too
Marcus Denker-4 wrote Please let it like it is and we move *controlled* forward. Okay I removed the links to the platform files from the download page for now. - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Platform-and-portable-versions-for-Pharo-2-0-too-tp4678722p4678826.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-project] Request write access to PharoInbox
On 28 March 2013 20:41, Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, can someone give me write access to PharoInbox? Me too, please. frank Nicolas Cellier
Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Project Show Tell - LEKtrek
Thanks. A web site is planned, with discussion forum and issue tracker. I have the domain already. Just waiting on completing everything that needs to be submitted for marking. Alexandre Bergel wrote: Looks like to be an excellent piece of work. Do you have a website or something? We would like to advertise this. Cheers, Alexandre On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote: LEKtrek is "a software development platform for electrical power applications". This is my masters project to provide the GUI for modeling electrical power networks, into which researchers can plug calculations. These video presentations are still a work in progress, but just in case you needed some filler for the Show Us Your Project sessions at PharoConf/MooseDay, please feel free to use any portion of the three videos listed below. These can be viewed using VLC. Note that the 020 video was the first I ever produced and suffers a little for quality until I can fix it after writing up my dissertation. Quality gets better in the later videos 010 and 030. http://files.openinworld.com/LEKtrek/ * LEKtrek 010 Introduction 2013-02-25.mp4 - 6min - background context for the project * LEKtrek 020 Explorer User 2013-02-28.mp4 - 8min30 - a tool to explore the IEC 61970 Common Information Model (of electrical power networks) * LEKtrek 030 Modeller User 2013-03-19.mp4 - 9min - a tool for modeling an electrical power network, and executing calculations on that model. The project is based on top of Roassal, Glamour Magritte 3. It will released open-source, but I am still musing over the finer points of several licenses, which waits on completion of my dissertation. Any and all feedback on contents and aesthetics are welcome. cheers -ben ___ Moose-dev mailing list moose-...@iam.unibe.ch https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
