Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
You see, when I alpply deepCopy instead of copy, pharo image doesn't respond:) What I want is to get 100% independent new object ast2, with same caracteristics as ast1. P.S. Uko, thanks veryDeepCopy works. Read the comments to both methods but still confused why deepCopy didn't work.
Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
As I said, I used veryDeepCopy for copying ASTs, and it worked. But! It takes time to copy:) 2014-11-06 11:59 GMT+02:00 Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com: You see, when I alpply deepCopy instead of copy, pharo image doesn't respond:) What I want is to get 100% independent new object ast2, with same caracteristics as ast1. P.S. Uko, thanks veryDeepCopy works. Read the comments to both methods but still confused why deepCopy didn't work.
Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
Do you have any other suggestions how can I get completely indemendent copy of ast? 2014-11-06 12:19 GMT+02:00 Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com: As I said, I used veryDeepCopy for copying ASTs, and it worked. But! It takes time to copy:) 2014-11-06 11:59 GMT+02:00 Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com: You see, when I alpply deepCopy instead of copy, pharo image doesn't respond:) What I want is to get 100% independent new object ast2, with same caracteristics as ast1. P.S. Uko, thanks veryDeepCopy works. Read the comments to both methods but still confused why deepCopy didn't work.
Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
Hello, Normally #copy should copy the AST. But it might not copy all the things related to start/stop. I think we should fix it to do that, too. (sorry that I am a bit slow answering… lots of things to do) On 06 Nov 2014, at 11:36, Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have any other suggestions how can I get completely indemendent copy of ast? 2014-11-06 12:19 GMT+02:00 Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com mailto:mri...@gmail.com: As I said, I used veryDeepCopy for copying ASTs, and it worked. But! It takes time to copy:) 2014-11-06 11:59 GMT+02:00 Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com mailto:mri...@gmail.com: You see, when I alpply deepCopy instead of copy, pharo image doesn't respond:) What I want is to get 100% independent new object ast2, with same caracteristics as ast1. P.S. Uko, thanks veryDeepCopy works. Read the comments to both methods but still confused why deepCopy didn't work.
[Pharo-users] inria survey
Hi guys you can help us to improve our communication as a research center. Please take some minutes to fill this little survey. Stef -- VERSION FRANÇAISE -- Créé depuis 2002 à Lille, le centre de recherche Inria Lille - Nord Europe souhaite faire un point d’étape sur sa notoriété et s’interroge sur l’image qu’il véhicule auprès des différents publics avec lesquels il collabore. Industriels, partenaires académiques, collectivités, chercheurs, journalistes, fournisseurs, étudiants, lycéens… Nous voulons savoir si vous nous connaissez bien et si vous auriez envie d’en savoir plus. Vos avis nous intéressent alors n’hésitez pas à compléter le questionnaire avant le 28 novembre. David Simplot-Ryl directeur Inria Lille - Nord Europe En pratique ; Lien vers le questionnaire : https://sondages.inria.fr/index.php/632788?lang=fr Clôture de l’enquête le 28 novembre. Temps de réponse au questionnaire : moins de 10min. Les résultats de l’enquête seront communiqués en 2015. http://www.inria.fr/centre/lille/actualites/enquete-sur-l-image-du-centre-inria-lille-nord-europe ENGLISH VERSION Created since 2002 in Lille, the Inria Lille - Nord Europe research center wish to make a report on its reputation and its image. Industrial and academic partners, researchers, journalists , suppliers, students,... We want to know if you know us well and if you would like to learn more. We are interested in your opinion then do not hesitate to complete the questionnaire before 28 November. David Simplot- Ryl director Inria Lille - Nord Europe David Simplot-Ryl director Inria Lille - Nord Europe In practice ; Link to the survey :https://sondages.inria.fr/index.php/632788?lang=fr (select English) Deadline to respond 28 November. Questionnaire response time : less than 10 minutes. The results of the survey will be released in 2015. http://www.inria.fr/en/centre/lille/news/inria-lille-nord-europe-survey
Re: [Pharo-users] inria survey
Hi Stef, What should I enter under Establishment? Is it the company/institution where one works/studies? Cheers! Bernat. 2014-11-06 11:45 GMT+01:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: Hi guys you can help us to improve our communication as a research center. Please take some minutes to fill this little survey. Stef -- VERSION FRANÇAISE -- Créé depuis 2002 à Lille, le centre de recherche Inria Lille - Nord Europe souhaite faire un point d’étape sur sa notoriété et s’interroge sur l’image qu’il véhicule auprès des différents publics avec lesquels il collabore. Industriels, partenaires académiques, collectivités, chercheurs, journalistes, fournisseurs, étudiants, lycéens… Nous voulons savoir si vous nous connaissez bien et si vous auriez envie d’en savoir plus. Vos avis nous intéressent alors n’hésitez pas à compléter le questionnaire avant le 28 novembre. David Simplot-Ryl directeur Inria Lille - Nord Europe En pratique ; Lien vers le questionnaire : https://sondages.inria.fr/ index.php/632788?lang=fr Clôture de l’enquête le 28 novembre. Temps de réponse au questionnaire : moins de 10min. Les résultats de l’enquête seront communiqués en 2015. http://www.inria.fr/centre/lille/actualites/enquete-sur- l-image-du-centre-inria-lille-nord-europe ENGLISH VERSION Created since 2002 in Lille, the Inria Lille - Nord Europe research center wish to make a report on its reputation and its image. Industrial and academic partners, researchers, journalists , suppliers, students,... We want to know if you know us well and if you would like to learn more. We are interested in your opinion then do not hesitate to complete the questionnaire before 28 November. David Simplot- Ryl director Inria Lille - Nord Europe David Simplot-Ryl director Inria Lille - Nord Europe In practice ; Link to the survey :https://sondages.inria.fr/index.php/632788?lang=fr (select English) Deadline to respond 28 November. Questionnaire response time : less than 10 minutes. The results of the survey will be released in 2015. http://www.inria.fr/en/centre/lille/news/inria-lille-nord-europe-survey -- Bernat Romagosa.
Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN]: NewExternalWebBrowser
Thank you Sean, I will integrate it in Phratch. Like that, I can remove OSProcess. Cheers, Jannik 2014-11-05 9:15 GMT-03:00 Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com: Sean P. DeNigris wrote: Tudor Girba-2 wrote Nice :)... Thanks, No problem! BTW let's not depend on NewExternalWebBrowser surviving as the project's name ;) Don't be a newb...? ;) - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN- NewExternalWebBrowser-tp4788403p4788461.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ École des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://www.approchealpes.info http://car.mines-douai.fr/
Re: [Pharo-users] inria survey
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[Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
Is anyone actually using FileBrowser? Because either no one does or I doing something wrong. My problem is that it is very uncomfortable to navigate filesystem. There is no way to quickly navigate to common folders (like roots of system drives and home directory). Also hidden files/folders are shown by default which means there is always hundred folders. I would love to have these things streamlined, ideally with the option to add custom shortcuts (see picture)... so much for opening files. As far as saving goes the only way I found to actually save file is to manually type the full path without the option to choose a folder through GUI. But since this is the way the Save image as... works it leads me to believe that no one is actually using it regularly, because outside of saving a file to same folder as image such behavior seems useless. So is this something that has been considered or no one really needs this? Thanks, Peter
Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
Normally #copy should copy the AST. But it might not copy all the things related to start/stop. Yes #copy, copies not all stuff. That's why I need #deepCopy but it just crashes image. And #veryDeepCopy works vry slow. I need another solution. Any suggestions? Maybe there is some kind of method that does what I want? (sorry that I am a bit slow answering… lots of things to do) It's fine;)
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: The real question is if we invest in the current FileList code or better in one based on the filesystem explore code in GT? I think that would make sense -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill
Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
On 06 Nov 2014, at 16:24, Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com wrote: Normally #copy should copy the AST. But it might not copy all the things related to start/stop. Yes #copy, copies not all stuff. That's why I need #deepCopy but it just crashes image. And #veryDeepCopy works vry slow. I need another solution. Any suggestions? Maybe there is some kind of method that does what I want? Why not fix #copy to copy the things needed? have a look at the #postCopy methods. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
If I understand #postCopy is used to override standart copy. Each class has(or may have) its own implementation of #postCopy. When #copy is applied, #postCopy is called. 2014-11-06 17:47 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr: On 06 Nov 2014, at 16:24, Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com wrote: Normally #copy should copy the AST. But it might not copy all the things related to start/stop. Yes #copy, copies not all stuff. That's why I need #deepCopy but it just crashes image. And #veryDeepCopy works vry slow. I need another solution. Any suggestions? Maybe there is some kind of method that does what I want? Why not fix #copy to copy the things needed? have a look at the #postCopy methods. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-users] [Oharo-users] Copy AST
P.S. I must have thought about fixing copy:) Don't know why I didn't 2014-11-06 17:54 GMT+02:00 Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com: If I understand #postCopy is used to override standart copy. Each class has(or may have) its own implementation of #postCopy. When #copy is applied, #postCopy is called. 2014-11-06 17:47 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr: On 06 Nov 2014, at 16:24, Mark Rizun mri...@gmail.com wrote: Normally #copy should copy the AST. But it might not copy all the things related to start/stop. Yes #copy, copies not all stuff. That's why I need #deepCopy but it just crashes image. And #veryDeepCopy works vry slow. I need another solution. Any suggestions? Maybe there is some kind of method that does what I want? Why not fix #copy to copy the things needed? have a look at the #postCopy methods. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN]: NewExternalWebBrowser
On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:19 AM, jannik laval [via Smalltalk] ml-node+s1294792n4788709...@n4.nabble.com wrote: Thank you Sean, I will integrate it in Phratch. Like that, I can remove OSProcess. n.b. I only implemented Mac OS X. I assume it would be trivial to implement in Windows, but I’m not sure of a cross-Gnu+Lunix-flavor url open command. But I guess we could use whatever the original ExternalWebBrowser ultimately called out to... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-NewExternalWebBrowser-tp4788403p4788766.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
I checked out the file browser GT Inspector (I hope that is what you were referring to), unfortunately it's crashing a lot for me (it seems it can't figure out file size for large files (~4GB) and some other stuff (sockets?)). However I don't know if Glamour is planning to turn it into full file browser or just keep for quick inspection (especially considering that most people apparently don't really need such thing). At least to me it seems that right now enhancing the FileBrowser would be simpler. But thank you for the responses, I'll try to play with it a bit and perhaps something good will come out of it. Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone actually using FileBrowser? Because either no one does or I doing something wrong. My problem is that it is very uncomfortable to navigate filesystem. There is no way to quickly navigate to common folders (like roots of system drives and home directory). Also hidden files/folders are shown by default which means there is always hundred folders. I would love to have these things streamlined, ideally with the option to add custom shortcuts (see picture)... so much for opening files. As far as saving goes the only way I found to actually save file is to manually type the full path without the option to choose a folder through GUI. But since this is the way the Save image as... works it leads me to believe that no one is actually using it regularly, because outside of saving a file to same folder as image such behavior seems useless. So is this something that has been considered or no one really needs this? I do use the FileBrowser but it is indeed in need of serious love. But on Linux, I am on Midnight Commander, and there is nothing to the beat it. Most of the time, I use the FileBrowser to deal with my project files which are in the image directory or subfolders. But there are quite a number of hooks (for files and directories) in the tool so one can extend it in a couple hours. It is worth a try. Phil Thanks, Peter
Re: [Pharo-users] Bug? in Filein
Ok, thanks a lot for your work. Regards 2014-11-05 20:12 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: 14405 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14405 (backport pharo3) FileOut creates invalid comment entries for classes with class side methods fix in pharo3inbox 2014-11-04 22:51 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: Fixed and integrated (pharo 40350) I'll open another issue for backporting to pharo3 2014-11-02 22:24 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: Actually it is a bug in FileOUT! 14377 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14377 FileOut creates invalid comment entries for classes with class side methods 2014-11-02 17:42 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: 2014-10-31 0:11 GMT+01:00 José Comesaña jose.comes...@gmail.com: I see. But WATestError it is in the same package it is Fileing, on line 3284 and is referenced many times before. I am sorry I have not enough knowledge about the internals to do more debugging. Seems to be a lack of coordination between FileOut and FileIn. Maybe nothing to do... Now a simpler and clearer test: 1. Back to the original situation. 2. FileOut *only* WAContextTest. It has a comment: I am the base class for all tests that need a WARequestContext present., in .st file in line 8. 3. Remove it. 4. FileIn again. No errors on Transcript BUT no comment appears for WAContextTest. Maybe, if I get a couple of free hours I could dare to debug a little Best 2014-10-30 23:30 GMT+01:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: It says that the class WATestError is not available. Yes, I did. It is in the .st file c. You get a bunch of errors in Transcript while filing in No magic ball so we cannot guess. Example of Transcript messages (in case it helps): WADocumentHandlerResponseTestcreateAndVerifyBinaryDocumentNamed:hasAttachment: (WATestingFiles is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestInternalError (WATestError is Undeclared) It happens in more cases. I just took this one because this is a package anyone can install in order to reproduce the problem. Thanks Yes, it is a bug. Verified on Pharo4 with class ZnMessageBenchmark. The class has a comment, after fileout/remove class/filein this class is without a comment. I'll open a bug report.
Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN]: NewExternalWebBrowser
Actually, the ability to open a web browser is already present in the Pharo image out of the box through NativeBoost: NBMacShell open: 'http://pharo.org' NBWin32Shell shellBrowse: 'http://pharo.org' Cheers, Doru On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:19 AM, jannik laval [via Smalltalk] [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4788766i=0 wrote: Thank you Sean, I will integrate it in Phratch. Like that, I can remove OSProcess. n.b. I only implemented Mac OS X. I assume it would be trivial to implement in Windows, but I’m not sure of a cross-Gnu+Lunix-flavor url open command. But I guess we could use whatever the original ExternalWebBrowser ultimately called out to... Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: Re: [ANN]: NewExternalWebBrowser http://forum.world.st/ANN-NewExternalWebBrowser-tp4788403p4788766.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html at Nabble.com. -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
Re: [Pharo-users] Bug? in Filein
Yes, this has been annoying for a long time. Does backport means that it will be in the downloadable image of 3.0? Thanks a lot! Phil Le 6 nov. 2014 20:16, José Comesaña jose.comes...@gmail.com a écrit : Ok, thanks a lot for your work. Regards 2014-11-05 20:12 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: 14405 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14405 (backport pharo3) FileOut creates invalid comment entries for classes with class side methods fix in pharo3inbox 2014-11-04 22:51 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: Fixed and integrated (pharo 40350) I'll open another issue for backporting to pharo3 2014-11-02 22:24 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: Actually it is a bug in FileOUT! 14377 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14377 FileOut creates invalid comment entries for classes with class side methods 2014-11-02 17:42 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de: 2014-10-31 0:11 GMT+01:00 José Comesaña jose.comes...@gmail.com: I see. But WATestError it is in the same package it is Fileing, on line 3284 and is referenced many times before. I am sorry I have not enough knowledge about the internals to do more debugging. Seems to be a lack of coordination between FileOut and FileIn. Maybe nothing to do... Now a simpler and clearer test: 1. Back to the original situation. 2. FileOut *only* WAContextTest. It has a comment: I am the base class for all tests that need a WARequestContext present., in .st file in line 8. 3. Remove it. 4. FileIn again. No errors on Transcript BUT no comment appears for WAContextTest. Maybe, if I get a couple of free hours I could dare to debug a little Best 2014-10-30 23:30 GMT+01:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: It says that the class WATestError is not available. Yes, I did. It is in the .st file c. You get a bunch of errors in Transcript while filing in No magic ball so we cannot guess. Example of Transcript messages (in case it helps): WADocumentHandlerResponseTestcreateAndVerifyBinaryDocumentNamed:hasAttachment: (WATestingFiles is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestInternalError (WATestError is Undeclared) It happens in more cases. I just took this one because this is a package anyone can install in order to reproduce the problem. Thanks Yes, it is a bug. Verified on Pharo4 with class ZnMessageBenchmark. The class has a comment, after fileout/remove class/filein this class is without a comment. I'll open a bug report.
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
Hi, On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: I checked out the file browser GT Inspector (I hope that is what you were referring to), unfortunately it's crashing a lot for me (it seems it can't figure out file size for large files (~4GB) and some other stuff (sockets?)). What do you mean by a lot? Could you detail the crashing scenarios? It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). However I don't know if Glamour is planning to turn it into full file browser or just keep for quick inspection (especially considering that most people apparently don't really need such thing). Glamour is not the same as GT. Glamour is an engine for building browsers. GT is the IDE that is built on top of Glamour. The interesting thing with Glamour is that it allows you to build your own browser succinctly. Take a look here: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/ At least to me it seems that right now enhancing the FileBrowser would be simpler. But thank you for the responses, I'll try to play with it a bit and perhaps something good will come out of it. Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve? Cheers, Doru Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone actually using FileBrowser? Because either no one does or I doing something wrong. My problem is that it is very uncomfortable to navigate filesystem. There is no way to quickly navigate to common folders (like roots of system drives and home directory). Also hidden files/folders are shown by default which means there is always hundred folders. I would love to have these things streamlined, ideally with the option to add custom shortcuts (see picture)... so much for opening files. As far as saving goes the only way I found to actually save file is to manually type the full path without the option to choose a folder through GUI. But since this is the way the Save image as... works it leads me to believe that no one is actually using it regularly, because outside of saving a file to same folder as image such behavior seems useless. So is this something that has been considered or no one really needs this? I do use the FileBrowser but it is indeed in need of serious love. But on Linux, I am on Midnight Commander, and there is nothing to the beat it. Most of the time, I use the FileBrowser to deal with my project files which are in the image directory or subfolders. But there are quite a number of hooks (for files and directories) in the tool so one can extend it in a couple hours. It is worth a try. Phil Thanks, Peter -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
Re: [Pharo-users] Bug? in Filein
Yes, this has been annoying for a long time. Does backport means that it will be in the downloadable image of 3.0? probably. Thanks a lot! Phil Le 6 nov. 2014 20:16, José Comesaña jose.comes...@gmail.com mailto:jose.comes...@gmail.com a écrit : Ok, thanks a lot for your work. Regards 2014-11-05 20:12 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de mailto:nicolaih...@web.de: 14405 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14405 (backport pharo3) FileOut creates invalid comment entries for classes with class side methods fix in pharo3inbox 2014-11-04 22:51 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de mailto:nicolaih...@web.de: Fixed and integrated (pharo 40350) I'll open another issue for backporting to pharo3 2014-11-02 22:24 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de mailto:nicolaih...@web.de: Actually it is a bug in FileOUT! 14377 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14377 FileOut creates invalid comment entries for classes with class side methods 2014-11-02 17:42 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de mailto:nicolaih...@web.de: 2014-10-31 0:11 GMT+01:00 José Comesaña jose.comes...@gmail.com mailto:jose.comes...@gmail.com: I see. But WATestError it is in the same package it is Fileing, on line 3284 and is referenced many times before. I am sorry I have not enough knowledge about the internals to do more debugging. Seems to be a lack of coordination between FileOut and FileIn. Maybe nothing to do... Now a simpler and clearer test: 1. Back to the original situation. 2. FileOut *only* WAContextTest. It has a comment: I am the base class for all tests that need a WARequestContext present., in .st file in line 8. 3. Remove it. 4. FileIn again. No errors on Transcript BUT no comment appears for WAContextTest. Maybe, if I get a couple of free hours I could dare to debug a little Best 2014-10-30 23:30 GMT+01:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr mailto:steph...@free.fr: It says that the class WATestError is not available. Yes, I did. It is in the .st file c. You get a bunch of errors in Transcript while filing in No magic ball so we cannot guess. Example of Transcript messages (in case it helps): WADocumentHandlerResponseTestcreateAndVerifyBinaryDocumentNamed:hasAttachment: (WATestingFiles is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestCommaReturnsExceptionSet (WATestError is Undeclared) WAExceptionHandlerTesttestInternalError (WATestError is Undeclared) It happens in more cases. I just took this one because this is a package anyone can install in order to reproduce the problem. Thanks Yes, it is a bug. Verified on Pharo4 with class ZnMessageBenchmark. The class has a comment, after fileout/remove class/filein this class is without a comment. I'll open a bug report.
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). It seems like Pharo bug 1. FileReferencegtInspectorItemsIn: composite ... column: 'Size' evaluated: [:each | each humanReadableSize] width: 100; ... 2. FileReferencehumanReadableSize ^ self size humanReadableSIByteSize 3. MessageNotUnderstood: FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize because self size returns false for files 4GB so it fails and thus I cannot navigate to folders with such files (for example my home directory). http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/ Thank you that looks interesting, however I would still have to add somehow favorite folders Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve? For example I want to export a picture from Roassal and want to save it somewhere. So I would expect a reasonable file save dialog to open so I can choose a place to store it in and not a bare text input. The same would go for opening... I want to open some file so I would open file dialog, click on a favorite folder then the file and done... not crawl hundred places. I mean this is nothing unusual, every https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/figures/file-save-dialog.png.en_GB operating https://msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC394766.png system http://www.productivityorchard.com/wp-content/uploads/File-Save-Dialog.png can do it and it is very handy. Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: I checked out the file browser GT Inspector (I hope that is what you were referring to), unfortunately it's crashing a lot for me (it seems it can't figure out file size for large files (~4GB) and some other stuff (sockets?)). What do you mean by a lot? Could you detail the crashing scenarios? It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). However I don't know if Glamour is planning to turn it into full file browser or just keep for quick inspection (especially considering that most people apparently don't really need such thing). Glamour is not the same as GT. Glamour is an engine for building browsers. GT is the IDE that is built on top of Glamour. The interesting thing with Glamour is that it allows you to build your own browser succinctly. Take a look here: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/ At least to me it seems that right now enhancing the FileBrowser would be simpler. But thank you for the responses, I'll try to play with it a bit and perhaps something good will come out of it. Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve? Cheers, Doru Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone actually using FileBrowser? Because either no one does or I doing something wrong. My problem is that it is very uncomfortable to navigate filesystem. There is no way to quickly navigate to common folders (like roots of system drives and home directory). Also hidden files/folders are shown by default which means there is always hundred folders. I would love to have these things streamlined, ideally with the option to add custom shortcuts (see picture)... so much for opening files. As far as saving goes the only way I found to actually save file is to manually type the full path without the option to choose a folder through GUI. But since this is the way the Save image as... works it leads me to believe that no one is actually using it regularly, because outside of saving a file to same folder as image such behavior seems useless. So is this something that has been considered or no one really needs this? I do use the FileBrowser but it is indeed in need of serious love. But on Linux, I am on Midnight Commander, and there is nothing to the beat it. Most of the time, I use the FileBrowser to deal with my project files which are in the image directory or subfolders. But there are quite a number of hooks (for files and directories) in the tool so one can extend it in a couple hours. It is worth a try. Phil Thanks, Peter -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
What do you mean by a lot? another problem I had was with privileges ... it shows folder of a root but when I click it it throws DirectoryDoesNotExist and not PermissionDenied (or something); but this is negligible issue - i clicked on the folder randomly to try the Inspector. Also as mentioned above it shows hidden folders. Hidden folders are hidden for a reason so I would expect navigator to respect it. And last (for now) is sorting names. By default it doesn't sort and if i sort by name it mixes files and folders. But there is really no point in iterating these issues... all I want to have is regular FileOpen/FileClose dialog. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). It seems like Pharo bug 1. FileReferencegtInspectorItemsIn: composite ... column: 'Size' evaluated: [:each | each humanReadableSize] width: 100; ... 2. FileReferencehumanReadableSize ^ self size humanReadableSIByteSize 3. MessageNotUnderstood: FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize because self size returns false for files 4GB so it fails and thus I cannot navigate to folders with such files (for example my home directory). http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/ Thank you that looks interesting, however I would still have to add somehow favorite folders Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve? For example I want to export a picture from Roassal and want to save it somewhere. So I would expect a reasonable file save dialog to open so I can choose a place to store it in and not a bare text input. The same would go for opening... I want to open some file so I would open file dialog, click on a favorite folder then the file and done... not crawl hundred places. I mean this is nothing unusual, every https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/figures/file-save-dialog.png.en_GB operating https://msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC394766.png system http://www.productivityorchard.com/wp-content/uploads/File-Save-Dialog.png can do it and it is very handy. Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: I checked out the file browser GT Inspector (I hope that is what you were referring to), unfortunately it's crashing a lot for me (it seems it can't figure out file size for large files (~4GB) and some other stuff (sockets?)). What do you mean by a lot? Could you detail the crashing scenarios? It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). However I don't know if Glamour is planning to turn it into full file browser or just keep for quick inspection (especially considering that most people apparently don't really need such thing). Glamour is not the same as GT. Glamour is an engine for building browsers. GT is the IDE that is built on top of Glamour. The interesting thing with Glamour is that it allows you to build your own browser succinctly. Take a look here: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/ At least to me it seems that right now enhancing the FileBrowser would be simpler. But thank you for the responses, I'll try to play with it a bit and perhaps something good will come out of it. Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve? Cheers, Doru Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone actually using FileBrowser? Because either no one does or I doing something wrong. My problem is that it is very uncomfortable to navigate filesystem. There is no way to quickly navigate to common folders (like roots of system drives and home directory). Also hidden files/folders are shown by default which means there is always hundred folders. I would love to have these things streamlined, ideally with the option to add custom shortcuts (see picture)... so much for opening files. As far as saving goes the only way I found to actually save file is to manually type the full path without the option to choose a folder through GUI. But since this is the way the Save image as... works it leads me to believe that no one is actually using it regularly, because outside of saving a file to same folder as image such behavior seems useless. So is this something that has been considered or no one really needs this? I do use the FileBrowser but it is indeed in need of serious love. But on Linux, I am on Midnight Commander, and there is nothing to the beat it. Most of the time, I use the FileBrowser to deal with my project files which are in the image directory or subfolders. But there are quite a number of
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
The large file seems to return false on most things (also creationTime)... so this would need some tinkering. Also I am confused as to why this happens. Failing actual opening of the file would be understandable but these (size, creationTime) are just some inode data, but I could be (and probably am) wrong. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by a lot? another problem I had was with privileges ... it shows folder of a root but when I click it it throws DirectoryDoesNotExist and not PermissionDenied (or something); but this is negligible issue - i clicked on the folder randomly to try the Inspector. Also as mentioned above it shows hidden folders. Hidden folders are hidden for a reason so I would expect navigator to respect it. And last (for now) is sorting names. By default it doesn't sort and if i sort by name it mixes files and folders. But there is really no point in iterating these issues... all I want to have is regular FileOpen/FileClose dialog. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). It seems like Pharo bug 1. FileReferencegtInspectorItemsIn: composite ... column: 'Size' evaluated: [:each | each humanReadableSize] width: 100; ... 2. FileReferencehumanReadableSize ^ self size humanReadableSIByteSize 3. MessageNotUnderstood: FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize because self size returns false for files 4GB so it fails and thus I cannot navigate to folders with such files (for example my home directory). http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/ Thank you that looks interesting, however I would still have to add somehow favorite folders Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve? For example I want to export a picture from Roassal and want to save it somewhere. So I would expect a reasonable file save dialog to open so I can choose a place to store it in and not a bare text input. The same would go for opening... I want to open some file so I would open file dialog, click on a favorite folder then the file and done... not crawl hundred places. I mean this is nothing unusual, every https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/figures/file-save-dialog.png.en_GB operating https://msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC394766.png system http://www.productivityorchard.com/wp-content/uploads/File-Save-Dialog.png can do it and it is very handy. Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: I checked out the file browser GT Inspector (I hope that is what you were referring to), unfortunately it's crashing a lot for me (it seems it can't figure out file size for large files (~4GB) and some other stuff (sockets?)). What do you mean by a lot? Could you detail the crashing scenarios? It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). However I don't know if Glamour is planning to turn it into full file browser or just keep for quick inspection (especially considering that most people apparently don't really need such thing). Glamour is not the same as GT. Glamour is an engine for building browsers. GT is the IDE that is built on top of Glamour. The interesting thing with Glamour is that it allows you to build your own browser succinctly. Take a look here: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/ At least to me it seems that right now enhancing the FileBrowser would be simpler. But thank you for the responses, I'll try to play with it a bit and perhaps something good will come out of it. Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve? Cheers, Doru Peter On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone actually using FileBrowser? Because either no one does or I doing something wrong. My problem is that it is very uncomfortable to navigate filesystem. There is no way to quickly navigate to common folders (like roots of system drives and home directory). Also hidden files/folders are shown by default which means there is always hundred folders. I would love to have these things streamlined, ideally with the option to add custom shortcuts (see picture)... so much for opening files. As far as saving goes the only way I found to actually save file is to manually type the full path without the option to choose a folder through GUI. But since this is the way the Save image as... works it leads me to believe that no one is actually using it regularly, because outside of saving a file to same folder as image such behavior
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote:
It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even
that after you setup the VM specifically).
It seems like Pharo bug
1. FileReferencegtInspectorItemsIn: composite
...
column: 'Size' evaluated: [:each | each humanReadableSize] width: 100;
...
2. FileReferencehumanReadableSize
^ self size humanReadableSIByteSize
3. MessageNotUnderstood: FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize
because self size returns false for files 4GB so it fails and thus I
cannot navigate to folders with such files (for example my home directory).
Ok. Could you please open a bug report on that for the inspector?
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/
Thank you that looks interesting, however I would still have to add
somehow favorite folders
No problem. Here you go:
GLMTabulator new with: [ :tabulator |
tabulator column: #favorites; column: #files span: 5.
tabulator transmit to: #favorites; andShow: [ :a |
a list
title: 'Favorites';
display: { 'test' asFileReference . 'tmp' asFileReference };
format: #fullName ].
tabulator transmit from: #favorites; to: #files; andShow: [ :a |
a custom: (GLMPager new with: [ :pager |
pager show: [ :composite :file |
composite title: file basename.
file gtInspectorItemsIn: composite.
file gtInspectorContentsIn: composite ] ]) ] ];
openOn: FileSystem disk workingDirectory
Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve?
For example I want to export a picture from Roassal and want to save it
somewhere. So I would expect a reasonable file save dialog to open so I can
choose a place to store it in and not a bare text input.
The same would go for opening... I want to open some file so I would open
file dialog, click on a favorite folder then the file and done... not crawl
hundred places.
I mean this is nothing unusual, every
https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/figures/file-save-dialog.png.en_GB
operating https://msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC394766.png system
http://www.productivityorchard.com/wp-content/uploads/File-Save-Dialog.png
can do it and it is very handy.
Both of these facilities exist (except for the favorites part):
UITheme builder fileOpen: 'Import model from MSE file' extensions: #('mse').
UITheme builder fileSave: 'Your title here' extensions: #('mse') path: nil.
They would just need to be hooked in the right place instead of the funny
text field.
Cheers,
Doru
Peter
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote:
I checked out the file browser GT Inspector (I hope that is what you
were referring to), unfortunately it's crashing a lot for me (it seems it
can't figure out file size for large files (~4GB) and some other stuff
(sockets?)).
What do you mean by a lot? Could you detail the crashing scenarios?
It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even
that after you setup the VM specifically).
However I don't know if Glamour is planning to turn it into full file
browser or just keep for quick inspection (especially considering that most
people apparently don't really need such thing).
Glamour is not the same as GT. Glamour is an engine for building
browsers. GT is the IDE that is built on top of Glamour. The interesting
thing with Glamour is that it allows you to build your own browser
succinctly. Take a look here:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/creating-custom-browsers-out-of-inspector-extensions/
At least to me it seems that right now enhancing the FileBrowser would
be simpler.
But thank you for the responses, I'll try to play with it a bit and
perhaps something good will come out of it.
Let's start from use cases. What do you need to achieve?
Cheers,
Doru
Peter
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote:
Is anyone actually using FileBrowser? Because either no one does or I
doing something wrong.
My problem is that it is very uncomfortable to navigate filesystem.
There is no way to quickly navigate to common folders (like roots of
system
drives and home directory). Also hidden files/folders are shown by default
which means there is always hundred folders.
I would love to have these things streamlined, ideally with the option
to add custom shortcuts (see picture)... so much for opening files.
As far as saving goes the only way I found to actually save file is to
manually type the full path without the option to choose a folder through
GUI. But since this is the way the Save image as... works it leads me to
believe that no one is actually using it regularly, because outside of
saving a file to same folder as image such behavior seems useless.
So is this
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
2014-11-06 23:25 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com: Hi, On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even that after you setup the VM specifically). It seems like Pharo bug 1. FileReferencegtInspectorItemsIn: composite ... column: 'Size' evaluated: [:each | each humanReadableSize] width: 100; ... 2. FileReferencehumanReadableSize ^ self size humanReadableSIByteSize 3. MessageNotUnderstood: FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize because self size returns false for files 4GB so it fails and thus I cannot navigate to folders with such files (for example my home directory). Ok. Could you please open a bug report on that for the inspector? This is an issue for the linux vm : 14250 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14250 Enable large file support on linux on windows, you can list directories with files 2G FileSystemStore returns false on #size, if the file can not be found. Thats the reason why the inspector shows the MessageNotUnderstood: FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize error. And the files can not be found, because the unix VM uses lstat on the directory entries to retrieve the file attributes. And lstat does not work for files with sizes larger than 32Bit.
Re: [Pharo-users] FileBrowser confusion
Ok. Could you please open a bug report on that for the inspector?
Since as Nicolai pointed out there is this 14250
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14250 Enable large file support on
linux, there is probably no point in creating an extra one.
I built custom VM with _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 and it seems to hold, so thank
you.
No problem. Here you go:
GLMTabulator new with: [ :tabulator |
tabulator column: #favorites; column: #files span: 5.
tabulator transmit to: #favorites; andShow: [ :a |
a list
title: 'Favorites';
display: { 'test' asFileReference . 'tmp' asFileReference };
format: #fullName ].
tabulator transmit from: #favorites; to: #files; andShow: [ :a |
a custom: (GLMPager new with: [ :pager |
pager show: [ :composite :file |
composite title: file basename.
file gtInspectorItemsIn: composite.
file gtInspectorContentsIn: composite ] ]) ] ];
openOn: FileSystem disk workingDirectory
This is really cool! I will have to study this tomorrow.
UITheme builder fileOpen: 'Import model from MSE file' extensions: #('mse').
I am aware of this one, but it has all the issues mentioned in the first
(and following) posts, since it is basically same as FileBrowser. That is
why I was looking for an alternative.
They would just need to be hooked in the right place instead of the funny
text field.
Why? From what I understood the way to build what I want would be a
combination of GLM* browsers you mentioned above and in such configuration
I do not see why would I need to hook up the default browsers.
Thanks,
Peter
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Nicolai Hess nicolaih...@web.de wrote:
2014-11-06 23:25 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote:
It is indeed known that Pharo cannot open files larger than 4GB (even
that after you setup the VM specifically).
It seems like Pharo bug
1. FileReferencegtInspectorItemsIn: composite
...
column: 'Size' evaluated: [:each | each humanReadableSize] width: 100;
...
2. FileReferencehumanReadableSize
^ self size humanReadableSIByteSize
3. MessageNotUnderstood: FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize
because self size returns false for files 4GB so it fails and thus I
cannot navigate to folders with such files (for example my home directory).
Ok. Could you please open a bug report on that for the inspector?
This is an issue for the linux vm :
14250 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14250 Enable large file
support on linux
on windows, you can list directories with files 2G
FileSystemStore returns false on #size, if the file can not be found.
Thats the reason why the inspector shows the MessageNotUnderstood:
FalsehumanReadableSIByteSize error.
And the files can not be found, because the unix VM uses lstat on the
directory entries to retrieve the file attributes. And lstat does not work
for files with sizes larger than 32Bit.
Re: [Pharo-users] Bug? in Filein
On 06 Nov 2014, at 21:59, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Yes, this has been annoying for a long time. Does backport means that it will be in the downloadable image of 3.0? Thanks a lot! Yes! It is already noted as “fix to include”, I will do an update for Pharo3 today. Marcus
Re: [Pharo-users] Bug? in Filein
Great. This platform is a joy to work with and becomes better all the time. 2015 will be a great Pharo4 year :-) Phil On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On 06 Nov 2014, at 21:59, p...@highoctane.be wrote: Yes, this has been annoying for a long time. Does backport means that it will be in the downloadable image of 3.0? Thanks a lot! Yes! It is already noted as “fix to include”, I will do an update for Pharo3 today. Marcus
