Re: [Pharo-users] Woden?

2015-07-20 Thread Merwan Ouddane
On dim., 2015-07-19 at 23:45 +0200, stepharo wrote:
 merwane 
 
 could you also publish the files you used?

I stated to do a separated example package, because the importer is not
directly into woden.

The files that we used would make the package to heavy...

 I think that this would be good to have a resource so that people can
 fully 
 redo all the exercises.
 
 Stef
 
 
   Hi Hilaire,
   
   
   Only try to use the WDFPSSimpleExample until 11 (e.g:
   WDFPSSimpleExample6 new open) . The examples from
   WDFPSSimpleExample12 onward were made by Jean-Baptiste and Merwan
   Ouddane, and they require some external files to work which I
   don't have.
   
  Sorry I'll clean it during the week.
   
   They also made the Wavefront .obj file importer which is where you
   (and me) are receiving a message not understood. It seems that
   they forgot to merge some commits. Since I don't have the data
   they use to test those examples, I can't give it a try to fix the
   problem.
   
   
   
   Anyway, during this week I started making a custom JSON based
   format for Woden. Along with an exporter from Blender and an
   importer for Woden. I am pushing the exporter script into
   https://github.com/ronsaldo/Woden/blob/master/scripts/blender/operator_woden_jsonexporter.py
.
   
   
   You can try the importer in Woden using the attached file, and
   doing the following in a playground:
   
   ==
   
   | scene camera node model pointLight |
   scene := WDScene new.
   
   Add a light
   pointLight := WDPointLight new.
   pointLight 
   attach: (WDEllipticalOrbit new center: (WDVector3 newX: 0.0 y:
   0.0 z: 0.0)).
   scene addChild: pointLight.
   
   camera := WDCamera new.
   camera position: (WDVector3 z: 4.0).
   scene addChild: camera.
   
   node := WDSceneNode new.
   scene addChild: node.
   model := WDModelJson new fromFile: './sample.wmjson'.
   node attach: model.
   
   ==
   
   (WDSceneViewer scene: scene camera: camera) open; yourself
   
   
   
   Beware that soon I will be making a massive commit that could
   temporarily break some stuff(new shader management system,
   skeletal animation). I will be changing the configuration script
   soon.
   
   
   
   Best regards,
   
   Ronie
   
   
   2015-07-18 13:02 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel
   alexandre.ber...@me.com:
   Hi Hilaire,
   
   We will come back to you.
   
   Cheers,
   Alexandre
   
   
On Jul 18, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu
   wrote:
   
Hi,
I want to make a demo of woden.
But does not work, and I don't know why.
   
Installed version from Smalltalkhub following
   instruction found there,
or download directly an image from jenkins, in both case
   I have error
when executing:
   
WDFPSSimpleExample13 new open
   
MNU: receiver #doSemanticAnalysisIn: is nil
   
Thanks
   
Hilaire
   
   
PS: the Woden classes are almost completely uncommented!
   
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Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Seeking help on morphs : expander and scrolls

2015-07-20 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Hi Nicolai
I am facing another issue which in my opinion would require a scrollbar for
the entire modal. 
The problem is that on expanding a search result, it covers the OK and
CANCEL button.
http://forum.world.st/file/n4838286/24.png 
http://forum.world.st/file/n4838286/41.png 

The code of the corresponding widget can be found here :
https://github.com/jig08/sQuick_new/blob/master/sQuick_new.package/PopUp.class/instance/printSearchResults.st

Help appreciated.
Thanks
Jigyasa



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[Pharo-users] Overriding method - ExampleBuilderMorph#openModal:

2015-07-20 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Hi
I have been using ExampleBuilderMorph and ExpanderMorph to build a
accordion widget to display the search results of my application
*searchQuick* which returns the list of file titles from the pre-loaded
text files present in the resource folder when a string is searched for.
You all are welcome to fork the code (https://github.com/jig08/sQuick_new)
, try the infancy application and send in suggestions.

As I have been using the ExampleBuilderMorph#openModal: to view the
expanders, [
https://github.com/jig08/sQuick_new/blob/master/sQuick_new.package/PopUp.class/instance/printSearchResults.st
LINE 33 ]  I would like override this method to change the position and
extent of the window which opens up because of #openModal: method.
Help appreciated.

Thanks
Jigyasa


Re: [Pharo-users] Where do I find Bloc and how do I load it?

2015-07-20 Thread Ben Coman
One here
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Bloc/

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:36 PM, H. Hirzel hannes.hir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Stef,

 I wonder where

 https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/

 ?

 --Hannes

 On 7/19/15, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
 There are two ci jobs on the contribution pharo ci.

 Stef

 Le 18/7/15 22:58, H. Hirzel a écrit :
 Hello

 Where do I find Bloc and how do I load it?

  http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Bloc:-(

 Regards

 Hannes









Re: [Pharo-users] Where do I find Bloc and how do I load it?

2015-07-20 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Hannes Hirzel wrote
 I wonder where...https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/?

The community server is at https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/ . There
is a link to it on the left menu of the link you gave.



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Re: [Pharo-users] Woden?

2015-07-20 Thread Merwan Ouddane
On lun., 2015-07-20 at 18:41 +0800, Hilaire wrote:
 Le 20/07/2015 05:45, stepharo a écrit :
  merwane
 
  could you also publish the files you used?
  I think that this would be good to have a resource so that people can
  fully
  redo all the exercises.
 
 I understand Woden is still at early stage of development, so not much
 documented, that's ok.
 But my problem seems related to something else than missing resources,
 and I don't know what's wrong.
 
 I have an error at the VM level, even using the latest pharo vm.
 See screenshot of error at:
 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.user/20773
 

Weird...
Seems like you don't have the Nativeboost trait TNBMemoryAccessors

 Thanks
 
 Hilaire
 





[Pharo-users] Moose to analyse Java code

2015-07-20 Thread Hilaire
Hello,

A friend told me one of his student need to understand the flow of
OpenStreepMap java code. Of course I told him about Moose, but I am not
sure I provide him enough guidance to get his student started with moose
(zero knowledge).

What will be the practical step to get started for a total novice on
Moose/Pharo (I can give the initial step related to the Pharo
environment, so no need to mention it) ?

If such information exists, just point it to me, but I did not find
after a small search. I just read it is possible
(http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/moose-custom-analyses-made-easy/), but
I bet such step by step guidance, will be very useful to let novice on
Pharo get started and is a way to attract more easily new users.

Thanks

Hilaire

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Re: [Pharo-users] Woden?

2015-07-20 Thread Hilaire
Le 20/07/2015 05:45, stepharo a écrit :
 merwane

 could you also publish the files you used?
 I think that this would be good to have a resource so that people can
 fully
 redo all the exercises.

I understand Woden is still at early stage of development, so not much
documented, that's ok.
But my problem seems related to something else than missing resources,
and I don't know what's wrong.

I have an error at the VM level, even using the latest pharo vm.
See screenshot of error at:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.user/20773

Thanks

Hilaire

-- 
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http://drgeo.eu
http://google.com/+DrgeoEu





Re: [Pharo-users] Where do I find Bloc and how do I load it?

2015-07-20 Thread H. Hirzel
Thank you for all answers.

This is the one I was looking for

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Bloc/

The latest Bloc in otherwise stable Pharo 4.0 environment.

Where do I start exploring the examples?

--Hannes




On 7/20/15, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
 Hannes Hirzel wrote
 I wonder where...https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/?

 The community server is at https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/ . There
 is a link to it on the left menu of the link you gave.



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Re: [Pharo-users] Moose to analyse Java code

2015-07-20 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Hilaire!

The very first step, is to obtain a .MSE file from the Java code. MSE is what 
Moose can eat.
I can produce one or maybe the Synectique guys can provide a license for you.

Best is to do it step by step. Ask the student to interact in the Moose mailing 
list. it will all make things easier. 

So, to begins with, I can produce a MSE file for you. Where are the source code?

Cheers,
Alexandre



 On Jul 20, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 A friend told me one of his student need to understand the flow of
 OpenStreepMap java code. Of course I told him about Moose, but I am not
 sure I provide him enough guidance to get his student started with moose
 (zero knowledge).
 
 What will be the practical step to get started for a total novice on
 Moose/Pharo (I can give the initial step related to the Pharo
 environment, so no need to mention it) ?
 
 If such information exists, just point it to me, but I did not find
 after a small search. I just read it is possible
 (http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/moose-custom-analyses-made-easy/), but
 I bet such step by step guidance, will be very useful to let novice on
 Pharo get started and is a way to attract more easily new users.
 
 Thanks
 
 Hilaire
 
 -- 
 Dr. Geo
 http://drgeo.eu
 http://google.com/+DrgeoEu
 
 
 

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Re: [Pharo-users] Overriding method - ExampleBuilderMorph#openModal:

2015-07-20 Thread Jigyasa Grover
Thank You, but I have resolved my issue :)



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Re: [Pharo-users] Woden?

2015-07-20 Thread Ronie Salgado
Hi Hilaire,

I am not able to reproduce your problem. Can you try testing with the
following image and VM?: http://ronie.cl/Woden/woden-a01-linux.zip

Greetings,
Ronie

2015-07-20 8:00 GMT-03:00 Merwan Ouddane merwanoudd...@gmail.com:

 On lun., 2015-07-20 at 18:41 +0800, Hilaire wrote:
  Le 20/07/2015 05:45, stepharo a écrit :
   merwane
  
   could you also publish the files you used?
   I think that this would be good to have a resource so that people can
   fully
   redo all the exercises.
 
  I understand Woden is still at early stage of development, so not much
  documented, that's ok.
  But my problem seems related to something else than missing resources,
  and I don't know what's wrong.
 
  I have an error at the VM level, even using the latest pharo vm.
  See screenshot of error at:
  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.user/20773
 

 Weird...
 Seems like you don't have the Nativeboost trait TNBMemoryAccessors

  Thanks
 
  Hilaire
 






Re: [Pharo-users] Woden?

2015-07-20 Thread Hilaire
Le 20/07/2015 21:01, Ronie Salgado a écrit :
 I am not able to reproduce your problem. Can you try testing with the
 following image and VM?: http://ronie.cl/Woden/woden-a01-linux.zip

Ronie,

Ok, your image works out of the box, with the shipped VM or latest VM
download from pharo.org.
I see your image is Pharo4.0. I was using 3.0, probably because I see
some #3.0 for opengl.
May I suggest you add a note on SmalltalkHub about needed Pharo version
(I just added one in DrGeo page;)
I will try to install in a fresh 4.0, just to be sure.

Thanks

Hilaire

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Re: [Pharo-users] Woden?

2015-07-20 Thread Ronie Salgado

 May I suggest you add a note on SmalltalkHub about needed Pharo version
 (I just added one in DrGeo page;)

Done.


2015-07-20 10:53 GMT-03:00 Hilaire hila...@drgeo.eu:

 Le 20/07/2015 21:01, Ronie Salgado a écrit :
  I am not able to reproduce your problem. Can you try testing with the
  following image and VM?: http://ronie.cl/Woden/woden-a01-linux.zip

 Ronie,

 Ok, your image works out of the box, with the shipped VM or latest VM
 download from pharo.org.
 I see your image is Pharo4.0. I was using 3.0, probably because I see
 some #3.0 for opengl.
 May I suggest you add a note on SmalltalkHub about needed Pharo version
 (I just added one in DrGeo page;)
 I will try to install in a fresh 4.0, just to be sure.

 Thanks

 Hilaire

 --
 Dr. Geo
 http://drgeo.eu
 http://google.com/+DrgeoEu






Re: [Pharo-users] Ephemeric Cloud - new platform to publish Pharo web applications

2015-07-20 Thread Andy Burnett
Mike, that sounds really interesting.  Will the instances support websocket
connections, and if so, will that stop them from sleeping, i.e. if I had an
app that sent out news updates via wss every 15 minutes to any listening
clients, could it just continue to run, or does it have to receive a
get/post request every 30 mins?

Cheers
Andy


Re: [Pharo-users] Ephemeric Cloud - new platform to publish Pharo web applications

2015-07-20 Thread Alexandre Bergel
This is fantastic…

Alexandre


 On Jul 20, 2015, at 5:16 PM, mikefilonov mikefilo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dear Pharo users,
 
 I'm so excited to introduce you a project I'm currently working on which is
 called Ephemeric cloud. It is a very simple and fast way to publish your
 Images to the web. Basically to publish a Smalltalk Image you just need to
 call a usual HTTP POST request to Pharocloud Ephemeric API and you'll get a
 hostname in response.
 
 Check those small video examples below. 2 minutes each (and most of the time
 is uploading time of my not-so-fast home internet :)
 
 Publish with curl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dKBCpj96cU
 Publish with DragDrop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuGTenCIwik
 
 The main idea of the project is to put as many images as possible and as
 simple as possible. And I'm so confident in efficiency of this solution that
 I included a free plan for you guys:)
 
 Hooray to Pharo Free hosting! :) (scared smile)
 
 I see Ephemeric cloud as a corner stone of all Pharo web development. 
 For instance, I can imagine some kind of Publish button on Marina project
 site, clicking on which a user will spawn a new instance in the cloud and
 will be able to test it immediately. Another good use case is running
 unit-tests by publishing an Image and running some API calls on it by
 script. Or you can have an A-B publish scheme when a part of users are sent
 to a new version for a test and the rest to a stable one. By the way,
 ephemerics are a great case for Pharo Remote Debug project;) 
 
 My intentions are to get to the point when Ephemeric cloud subscription is a
 must-have tool for a Pharo developer! :)
 
 You may check some project details here:
 https://www.pharocloud.com/kb/tutorial/ephemerics-introduction
 
 All questions are so-very welcomed. If anyone is interested in participation
 in cloud beta-testing please contact me at supp...@pharocloud.com and I'll
 extend your subscription plan.
 
 Cheers,
 Mike
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Re: [Pharo-users] Ephemeric Cloud - new platform to publish Pharo web applications

2015-07-20 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
It is a very interesting approach. Thank you for doing it.

Can you share what cloud service do you use to run PharoCloud? (AWS, Google
AppEngine, DigitalOcean, etc.)

Regards!

Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-07-20 12:47 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com:

 This is fantastic…

 Alexandre


  On Jul 20, 2015, at 5:16 PM, mikefilonov mikefilo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Dear Pharo users,
 
  I'm so excited to introduce you a project I'm currently working on which
 is
  called Ephemeric cloud. It is a very simple and fast way to publish
 your
  Images to the web. Basically to publish a Smalltalk Image you just need
 to
  call a usual HTTP POST request to Pharocloud Ephemeric API and you'll
 get a
  hostname in response.
 
  Check those small video examples below. 2 minutes each (and most of the
 time
  is uploading time of my not-so-fast home internet :)
 
  Publish with curl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dKBCpj96cU
  Publish with DragDrop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuGTenCIwik
 
  The main idea of the project is to put as many images as possible and as
  simple as possible. And I'm so confident in efficiency of this solution
 that
  I included a free plan for you guys:)
 
  Hooray to Pharo Free hosting! :) (scared smile)
 
  I see Ephemeric cloud as a corner stone of all Pharo web development.
  For instance, I can imagine some kind of Publish button on Marina
 project
  site, clicking on which a user will spawn a new instance in the cloud and
  will be able to test it immediately. Another good use case is running
  unit-tests by publishing an Image and running some API calls on it by
  script. Or you can have an A-B publish scheme when a part of users are
 sent
  to a new version for a test and the rest to a stable one. By the way,
  ephemerics are a great case for Pharo Remote Debug project;)
 
  My intentions are to get to the point when Ephemeric cloud subscription
 is a
  must-have tool for a Pharo developer! :)
 
  You may check some project details here:
  https://www.pharocloud.com/kb/tutorial/ephemerics-introduction
 
  All questions are so-very welcomed. If anyone is interested in
 participation
  in cloud beta-testing please contact me at supp...@pharocloud.com and
 I'll
  extend your subscription plan.
 
  Cheers,
  Mike
  Pharocloud Team
 
 
 
 
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[Pharo-users] Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed

2015-07-20 Thread S Krish
Check out this amazing TEDTalk:

Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed
http://on.ted.com/h15YB


[Pharo-users] where to report Telescope bugs?

2015-07-20 Thread Peter Uhnák
Hi,

where do I report Telescope bugs?

I downloaded latest TL via Pharo Launcher (build #192), but any
opening/closing interaction doesn't work.

1. run TLDemosexampleCompositeExploringHierarchy
2. click on +
3. error MNU SubscriptionRegistrysubscriptionsDo:

Also does this Work in progress
http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/telescope/tutorial-visualization-developer
mean that someone is actually working on it, or that it is planned someday
= I just use the source code for the foreseeable future (or maybe if you
have some internal docs available)?

Thanks,
Peter


Re: [Pharo-users] where to report Telescope bugs?

2015-07-20 Thread Peter Uhnák
Btw subscriptionsDo: is added by Roassal2Spec package, which is not loaded
into the CI build

Also load script here http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/telescope says its
LeoPerard/Telescope
while the CI loads Moose/Telescope.

Peter

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 where do I report Telescope bugs?

 I downloaded latest TL via Pharo Launcher (build #192), but any
 opening/closing interaction doesn't work.

 1. run TLDemosexampleCompositeExploringHierarchy
 2. click on +
 3. error MNU SubscriptionRegistrysubscriptionsDo:

 Also does this Work in progress
 http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/telescope/tutorial-visualization-developer
 mean that someone is actually working on it, or that it is planned someday
 = I just use the source code for the foreseeable future (or maybe if you
 have some internal docs available)?

 Thanks,
 Peter



[Pharo-users] Ephemeric Cloud - new platform to publish Pharo web applications

2015-07-20 Thread mikefilonov
Dear Pharo users,

I'm so excited to introduce you a project I'm currently working on which is
called Ephemeric cloud. It is a very simple and fast way to publish your
Images to the web. Basically to publish a Smalltalk Image you just need to
call a usual HTTP POST request to Pharocloud Ephemeric API and you'll get a
hostname in response.

Check those small video examples below. 2 minutes each (and most of the time
is uploading time of my not-so-fast home internet :)

Publish with curl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dKBCpj96cU
Publish with DragDrop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuGTenCIwik

The main idea of the project is to put as many images as possible and as
simple as possible. And I'm so confident in efficiency of this solution that
I included a free plan for you guys:)

Hooray to Pharo Free hosting! :) (scared smile)

I see Ephemeric cloud as a corner stone of all Pharo web development. 
For instance, I can imagine some kind of Publish button on Marina project
site, clicking on which a user will spawn a new instance in the cloud and
will be able to test it immediately. Another good use case is running
unit-tests by publishing an Image and running some API calls on it by
script. Or you can have an A-B publish scheme when a part of users are sent
to a new version for a test and the rest to a stable one. By the way,
ephemerics are a great case for Pharo Remote Debug project;) 

My intentions are to get to the point when Ephemeric cloud subscription is a
must-have tool for a Pharo developer! :)

You may check some project details here:
https://www.pharocloud.com/kb/tutorial/ephemerics-introduction

All questions are so-very welcomed. If anyone is interested in participation
in cloud beta-testing please contact me at supp...@pharocloud.com and I'll
extend your subscription plan.

Cheers,
Mike
Pharocloud Team




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[Pharo-users] [OT] Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed

2015-07-20 Thread Martin Bähr
Excerpts from S Krish's message of 2015-07-20 17:47:50 +0200:
 Check out this amazing TEDTalk:
 Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed
 http://on.ted.com/h15YB

meh.
read the transcript if you want to save the time,
but to save even more time, here is the summary:
  The number one thing was timing. Timing accounted for 42 percent of the
   difference between success and failure. Team and execution came in second,
   and the idea, the differentiability of the idea, the uniqueness of the idea,
   that actually came in third. ...
   The last two, business model and funding

he talks about the need to assess timing, but unfortunately doesn't tell much
about how to do it, which is really the crux of the matter.

in hindsight it is of course easy to see how the timing factor applies.
but before, it's like trying to predict the future.

and then, how does that relate to pharo or smalltalk in general?
how can we assess the timing for pharo's success?

did smalltalk miss its chance, so we should give up?
or is it still coming? glass bowl anyone?

there is no actionable advice in there.
what shall we do? 
wait, and we'll know the timing is right when we see it?

the only advice i can extract is that, because we can't predict the timing,
don't put all eggs in the same basket, and while pushing pharo, don't push so
hard that the future depends on the push to succeed. instead make sure that the
project can continue even if the time is not right, so that it is still alive
when the time is finally right.

to actually make an attempt at prediction we'd have to look at developer needs.
what are developers needs now, and does pharo deliver to fill those needs? 
(i believe it is pretty clear that pharo is still missing a few things, mostly
on the integration side with other systems)

can we predict what developers will need and expect in 5 years, and can pharo
develop to match those needs?

these questions are dear to my heart because i am asking them myself for my own
project. i believe, i have a solution that many developers need, but as far as
i can tell most developers are not aware of the problem yet. i hope that in
time they will become aware, and that by then my project will be ready and 
thrive.

we'll see.

greetings, martin.

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Re: [Pharo-users] where to report Telescope bugs?

2015-07-20 Thread Usman Bhatti
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Btw subscriptionsDo: is added by Roassal2Spec package, which is not loaded
 into the CI build

 Also load script here http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/telescope says
 its LeoPerard/Telescope
 while the CI loads Moose/Telescope.


Moose/Telescope is the correct repo.
We'll update the tutorial.





 Peter

 On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 where do I report Telescope bugs?

 I downloaded latest TL via Pharo Launcher (build #192), but any
 opening/closing interaction doesn't work.

 1. run TLDemosexampleCompositeExploringHierarchy
 2. click on +
 3. error MNU SubscriptionRegistrysubscriptionsDo:

 Also does this Work in progress
 http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/telescope/tutorial-visualization-developer
 mean that someone is actually working on it, or that it is planned
 someday = I just use the source code for the foreseeable future (or maybe
 if you have some internal docs available)?

 Thanks,
 Peter





[Pharo-users] Multiple sockets listening on same port

2015-07-20 Thread Attila Magyar
Hi,

A number of times I ran into the situation where I started a http server but
forgot that an other one was already running. This resulted strange behavior
and led to confusion.

The Socket class doesn't detect that the given port is already bound to an
other socket.

socket1 := Socket newTCP.
socket1 listenOn: .

socket2 := Socket newTCP.
socket2 listenOn: . I expected this to fail

Both sockets are in WaitinForConnection status and isValid returns true. 

Is this normal? Is there a way to detect this anyway?




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Re: [Pharo-users] PostGIS in Pharo

2015-07-20 Thread Arturo Zambrano
Hi Esteban,All

 I'm facing almost the same requirement. I have coordinates and I need to
determine to which location they belong to (for example to which province).

 I checked that GADM and level 1 file should suffice. Now, how to did you
use this information in Pharo? Which library/framework should I used to
access and query the information contained in the  KML?.

Thanks in advance.
art


On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com
wrote:

 2015-01-28 17:01 GMT-03:00 Hernán Morales Durand hernan.mora...@gmail.com
 :



 2015-01-28 16:18 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo emaring...@gmail.com:


 I don't know about PostGIS, but if you need boundary datasets there is
 GADM or GeoNames which may cover your needs.
 Recently I did a ST script to read from GADM using a dBase package. And
 you could query throug SPARQL too.


 GADM is EXACTLY the database I was looking for.

 I didn't understand the dbase package part, but I was able to download a
 KMZ file with all needed.

 Thank you SO MUCH!


 Esteban A. Maringolo





Re: [Pharo-users] [OT] Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed

2015-07-20 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Martin Bähr wrote
 did smalltalk miss its chance, so we should give up?
 or is it still coming? glass bowl anyone?

Using Unix - which took 50 years to takeover the world - as a metric, we
should be hitting our stride in about 2030 ;)



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Re: [Pharo-users] where to report Telescope bugs?

2015-07-20 Thread Peter Uhnák

 Also does this Work in progress
 http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/telescope/tutorial-visualization-developer
 mean that someone is actually working on it, or that it is planned
 someday = I just use the source code for the foreseeable future (or maybe
 if you have some internal docs available)?


 It is a work that never progressed but we should revisit it.

 In the meantime, you can have a look at the ESUG paper (attached here).


Since I am not familiar with this technology, it's really hard to
understand without an overview of the concepts behind it / tutorials /
whatever. But the paper looks promising, I'll go through it tomorrow.

Thanks,
Peter