Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo family

[Esteban Lorenzano]

well, we have http://catalog.pharo.org
who was there as a temporal solution who does not seems to be going away this 
year… so it can be enhanced to provide grouping/better links/etc. easily, I 
think.

Esteban


> On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:38, Volkert  wrote:
> 
> I would be happy if Pharo as something like this
> 
> https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects
> 
> or
> 
> this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.
> 
> That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be combined 
> with your meta information.
> 
> BW,
> Volkert
> 
> On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:
>> I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing
>> it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
>> - Zinc is now inside
>> - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can
>> change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
>> bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is
>> important to know from this point of view).
>> 
>> Adam.
>> 
>> Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
>>> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
>>> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
>>> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
>>> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
>>> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
>>> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
>>> 
>>> cheers -ben
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,   wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
 related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
 around Pharo and what thay can do.
 
 Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
 please, post it to me.
 
 Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
 a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
 other important projects and frameworks.
 
 Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
 names or logos of projects that are related to them.
 
 Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
 
 I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
 important (or enterprise ready...?).
 
 As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
 quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
 If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
 to this map.
 
 Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
 visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
 mind-mapping) :)
 
 Have a nice day,
 
 Adam.
>> 
> 
> 

[Pharo-users] Auto Proxy and Pharo

[Volkert]

Dear all,

at work we are using a "auto proxy configuration". Your proxy definition 
in your app looks like "http://:/proxy.pac.  See: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config.


Any idea, how to use this proxy definition with Pharo? Would be 
terrible, if i can not use Pharo here at work.


BW,
Volkert

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo family

[Adam]

Both would be good.
I have find catalog You mentioned, but it lacks grouping and also it has too 
many projects.
It would be good to have structured catalog of almost all projects. But I 
think that map of main projects will be also very useful especially to 
newcommers.

Adam.

Dne Po 5. října 2015 19:58:48, Esteban Lorenzano napsal(a):
> well, we have http://catalog.pharo.org
> who was there as a temporal solution who does not seems to be going away
> this year… so it can be enhanced to provide grouping/better links/etc.
> easily, I think.
> 
> Esteban
> 
> > On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:38, Volkert  wrote:
> > 
> > I would be happy if Pharo as something like this
> > 
> > https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.
> > 
> > That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be
> > combined with your meta information.
> > 
> > BW,
> > Volkert
> > 
> > On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:
> >> I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before
> >> drawing
> >> it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
> >> - Zinc is now inside
> >> - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You
> >> can
> >> change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
> >> bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why
> >> it is important to know from this point of view).
> >> 
> >> Adam.
> >> 
> >> Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
> >>> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
> >>> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
> >>> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
> >>> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
> >>> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
> >>> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
> >>> 
> >>> cheers -ben
> >>> 
> >>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,   wrote:
>  Hello,
>  
>  I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
>  related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of
>  projects
>  around Pharo and what thay can do.
>  
>  Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If
>  so,
>  please, post it to me.
>  
>  Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should
>  be
>  a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there
>  are
>  other important projects and frameworks.
>  
>  Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
>  names or logos of projects that are related to them.
>  
>  Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby
>  project.
>  
>  I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are
>  very
>  important (or enterprise ready...?).
>  
>  As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
>  quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
>  If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include
>  them
>  to this map.
>  
>  Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
>  visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
>  mind-mapping) :)
>  
>  Have a nice day,
>  
>  Adam.

Re: [Pharo-users] Auto Proxy and Pharo

[Volkert]

;-) I know ... i know  i will ask for it 

On 05.10.2015 20:31, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:

On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:28, Volkert  wrote:

Dear all,

at work we are using a "auto proxy configuration". Your proxy definition in your app looks like 
"http://:/proxy.pac.  See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config.

Any idea, how to use this proxy definition with Pharo? Would be terrible, if i 
can not use Pharo here at work.

BW,
Volkert

 From http://curl.askapache.com/faq.html#Does_curl_support_Javascript_or



3.14 Does curl support Javascript or PAC (automated proxy config)?

Many web pages do magic stuff using embedded Javascript. Curl and libcurl
have no built-in support for that, so it will be treated just like any other
contents.

.pac files are a netscape invention and are sometimes used by organizations
to allow them to differentiate which proxies to use. The .pac contents is
just a Javascript program that gets invoked by the browser and that returns
the name of the proxy to connect to. Since curl doesn't support Javascript,
it can't support .pac proxy configuration either.

Some workarounds usually suggested to overcome this Javascript dependency:

- Depending on the Javascript complexity, write up a script that
translates it to another language and execute that.

- Read the Javascript code and rewrite the same logic in another language.

- Implement a Javascript interpreter, people have successfully used the
Mozilla Javascript engine in the past.

- Ask your admins to stop this, for a static proxy setup or similar.



If even curl does not support it 

I would suggest asking your local sysadmin for a direct proxy host:port

Re: [Pharo-users] Auto Proxy and Pharo

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

> On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:28, Volkert  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> at work we are using a "auto proxy configuration". Your proxy definition in 
> your app looks like "http://:/proxy.pac.  See: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config.
> 
> Any idea, how to use this proxy definition with Pharo? Would be terrible, if 
> i can not use Pharo here at work.
> 
> BW,
> Volkert

From http://curl.askapache.com/faq.html#Does_curl_support_Javascript_or



3.14 Does curl support Javascript or PAC (automated proxy config)?

Many web pages do magic stuff using embedded Javascript. Curl and libcurl 
have no built-in support for that, so it will be treated just like any other 
contents. 

.pac files are a netscape invention and are sometimes used by organizations 
to allow them to differentiate which proxies to use. The .pac contents is 
just a Javascript program that gets invoked by the browser and that returns 
the name of the proxy to connect to. Since curl doesn't support Javascript, 
it can't support .pac proxy configuration either. 

Some workarounds usually suggested to overcome this Javascript dependency: 

- Depending on the Javascript complexity, write up a script that 
translates it to another language and execute that. 

- Read the Javascript code and rewrite the same logic in another language. 

- Implement a Javascript interpreter, people have successfully used the 
Mozilla Javascript engine in the past. 

- Ask your admins to stop this, for a static proxy setup or similar. 



If even curl does not support it 

I would suggest asking your local sysadmin for a direct proxy host:port

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo family

[Volkert]

I would be happy if Pharo as something like this

https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects

or

this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.

That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be 
combined with your meta information.


BW,
Volkert

On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:

I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing
it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
- Zinc is now inside
- More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can
change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is
important to know from this point of view).

Adam.

Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):

Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
* "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
* "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
* Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
is in bootstrap and the normal Image.

cheers -ben

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,   wrote:

Hello,

I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
around Pharo and what thay can do.

Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
please, post it to me.

Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
other important projects and frameworks.

Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
names or logos of projects that are related to them.

Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.

I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
important (or enterprise ready...?).

As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
to this map.

Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
mind-mapping) :)

Have a nice day,

Adam.

Re: [Pharo-users] Exploring Pier

[stepharo]

In Pharo I have Pharo/Smalltalk. Even a simple user can often 
contribute in simple ways. Even as a simple user of a Pharo tool. I 
can submit issues, fix simple issues, improve method or class 
comments, etc. As I learn the Pharo tools and ecosystem I continually 
improve my ability to take care of myself and also contribute to the 
community. I think Pharo is the most user empowering environment I 
have found. Sure I can find lots and lots of other quality tools in 
other languages. But each is their own island. And depending on how 
broadly I spread the net. Different languages, different cultures, 
different licenses, all independent of each other.


I much prefer the Pharo ecosystem and culture. It is home.
I know others who like the other tools, and multiplicity of choice. 
And they feel comfortable there.


Choice is nice. Pharo is mine.

:)



Thanks again for suggestions and for a view on how others approach 
problems and their solutions. That is always available as inspiration 
even within Pharo. I take a look at your stuff.


Jimmie


On 09/28/2015 09:03 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:

Hi Jimmie,

Some or your searches/needs seem similar to mine. So I will share 
some of the stuff I'm using or considering, which is not 
Pharo/Smalltalk related and how I plan to connect it with Pharo.


On markup language and documentation I'm using pandoc[1], which 
covers a wide variety of formats (including Html and LaTeX, like 
Pillar) and works on Windows, Gnu/Linux and Mac with a pretty 
portable installation. I use Zotero[2] integration vía BibTeX and 
Citezen[3] using Grafoscopio[4], a custom made Pharo interactive 
documentation system I'm building to learn smalltalk. On the website 
generation, I was a user/promoter of web2py[5] for several year, but 
recently I'm migrating towards static site genetators like Nikola[6] 
and Grav[7] because I don't need any much else for my web presence.


[1] http://pandoc.org/
[2] https://www.zotero.org/
[3] 
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/citezen-EsugAwards2009.pdf

[4] http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Offray/Grafoscopio
[5] http://web2py.com/
[6] https://getnikola.com/
[7] http://getgrav.org/

My idea is to build an interface from Grafoscopio to this non-pharo 
technologies like static web site generators, so you can use the 
interactivity of Pharo/Smalltalk, without having to reinvent the 
wheel all the time (at least for wheels yo don't care about). I'm 
trying to find the knowledge/time to put this ideas into practice. 
Maybe you can consider some of these in your initial overview of the 
problem and the solutions.


Cheers,

Offray

On 22/09/15 11:30, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
I know there are options to Pier. To a certain extent part of the 
purpose of my email was to explore whether or not Pier is a viable 
option and if it has community support that I am not easily seeing.


I want to stick with reasonably well supported options.

I thought the cms and blog parts of Pier looked interesting. This is 
all personal and not for business or public.


I definitely want to learn Pillar as it is required if at some point 
I want to contribute to any of the documentation. And it looks like 
a pretty powerful tool.


I do not have any clearly defined goals which make Pier a 
requirement. The blog and cms like features are possibly reasonably 
implementable in the more currently supported options. And those are 
simply things I am exploring not requiring.


It seems that Doru possibly uses it on the 
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog site.


Thanks.

Jimmie

On 09/22/2015 02:38 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:

Hi,

Jimmie Houchin  writes:

I am interested in learning to use Pier. I browsed the mailing 
list to

learn about current status and documentation. It seems to be pretty
quiet on the mailing lists.

There seems to be some activity on Smalltalkhub on Pier3.


Pillar, the document model and parser of Pier is alive. I need help 
but

the project is definitely not dead as we use it for all books we are
writing.

The rest of Pier, mainly the web interface, looks rather dead for 
me as

well.

Why are you interested in Pier? We might help you find other projects
that could suit your needs.

Re: [Pharo-users] Better Code Completion

[Stephan Eggermont]

On 04/10/15 23:53, Peter Uhnák wrote:

This is both rant and list of questions/notes/observations...

...but first of all:
do Smalltalkers not like code completion? Because the one in Pharo is
really poor and not only that nobody is doing anything about it, *but
also nobody is complaining*; this leads me to believe that you either

a) don't have the manpower (this is true pretty much always, so no
complaints here)


Definitely.
The issue tracker has lots of interesting completion related issues, 
like https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13124/NECContext-needs-plugin-design


Stephan

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo family

[stepharo]

Have a look at the book EntreprisePharo: a web perspective it will help 
you get some names :)



Le 4/10/15 01:54, a...@234.cz a écrit :

Hello,

I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to
Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo
and what thay can do.

Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
please, post it to me.

Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a
core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other
important projects and frameworks.

Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names
or logos of projects that are related to them.

Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.

I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
important (or enterprise ready...?).

As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick
and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If  anybody
have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.

Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization
based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)

Have a nice day,

Adam.

  

Re: [Pharo-users] A keyboard controlled code editor, how difficult would that be?

[Stephan Eggermont]

On 05-10-15 21:11, Peter Uhnák wrote:

Is there a reason why this is not in the catalog browser? Do you feel it's
not production-ready (missing editing)? Because I am very happy consumer
even in this state. :)


I'll add a configuration as soon as editing works and the spotter 
improvements make it to Pharo 5. It is just very much a prototype. Some 
parts I like, others not so much, and a lot has not gotten much thought.


Stephan

[Pharo-users] Nautilus>>openOnClass: gives back a debugger

[Federico.Balaguer]

Hello,

I found a problem when evaluating something like: 

Nautilus openOnClass: Object

The result is a new Nautilus on Object but the package tree list is empty
and a debugger pops up with a back trace with this:
NautilusUI(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #useLastPackagePatternStringForClass:
Nautilus class>>openOnClass:inEnvironment:
Nautilus class>>openOnClass:

is there other way to open Nautilus programatically.

Thanks!! Federico



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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo family

[Ben Coman]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Adam  wrote:
> I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing
> it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
> - Zinc is now inside
> - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can
> change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
> bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is
> important to know from this point of view).

Bootstrap refers to work being done to "bootstrap the core" per item 4.5 of...
https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/30434/PharoVision.pdf

I had a go at breaking a few bootstrap dependencies...
   https://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org/msg32799.html
and at times found myself wondering whether the refactored alternative
I was proposing didn't introduce additional dependencies.  It would be
nice to have some view quick view of which packages are at which level
- but revisiting my thoughts, this is probably more low level than
you're aiming at, at the project level.

cheers -ben

>
> Adam.
>
> Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
>> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
>> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
>> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
>> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
>> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
>> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
>>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,   wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
>> > related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
>> > around Pharo and what thay can do.
>> >
>> > Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
>> > please, post it to me.
>> >
>> > Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
>> > a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
>> > other important projects and frameworks.
>> >
>> > Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
>> > names or logos of projects that are related to them.
>> >
>> > Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
>> >
>> > I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
>> > important (or enterprise ready...?).
>> >
>> > As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
>> > quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
>> > If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
>> > to this map.
>> >
>> > Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
>> > visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
>> > mind-mapping) :)
>> >
>> > Have a nice day,
>> >
>> > Adam.
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Better Code Completion

[Marcus Denker]

> On 04 Oct 2015, at 23:53, Peter Uhnák  wrote:
> 
> This is both rant and list of questions/notes/observations...
> 
> ...but first of all:
> do Smalltalkers not like code completion? Because the one in Pharo is really 
> poor and not only that nobody is doing anything about it, but also nobody is 
> complaining; this leads me to believe that you either
> 
> a) don't have the manpower (this is true pretty much always, so no complaints 
> here)
true. 

> b) don't care about this that much (since you lived without it for 45 years)
> 
> at least from the lack of complaining to me it seems that b) is more likely 
> scenario...
> 
I think people know that complaining does not help… 

It would be nice to improve this (an 1000 other things, too ;-)

Marcus

Re: [Pharo-users] Exploring Pier

[Jimmie Houchin]

Hello Offray,

My apologies for the delay in reply. I have been on holiday.

Thanks for the suggestions. I am pretty much wanting to stick with Pharo 
solutions. I want to use and contribute to the Pharo ecosystem.


I believe the more we use our own tools and contribute toward the 
ecosystem the better our tools and the ecosystem will be. In Pharo I can 
possibly offer an occasional bug fix, contribute to documentation or tests.


And yes, the other solutions do offer that as well as they are open 
source. But the bar is much higher. I now have to understand their 
ecosystems, languages, and development cultures of a variety of tools.


In Pharo I have Pharo/Smalltalk. Even a simple user can often contribute 
in simple ways. Even as a simple user of a Pharo tool. I can submit 
issues, fix simple issues, improve method or class comments, etc. As I 
learn the Pharo tools and ecosystem I continually improve my ability to 
take care of myself and also contribute to the community. I think Pharo 
is the most user empowering environment I have found. Sure I can find 
lots and lots of other quality tools in other languages. But each is 
their own island. And depending on how broadly I spread the net. 
Different languages, different cultures, different licenses, all 
independent of each other.


I much prefer the Pharo ecosystem and culture. It is home.
I know others who like the other tools, and multiplicity of choice. And 
they feel comfortable there.


Choice is nice. Pharo is mine.

Thanks again for suggestions and for a view on how others approach 
problems and their solutions. That is always available as inspiration 
even within Pharo. I take a look at your stuff.


Jimmie


On 09/28/2015 09:03 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote:

Hi Jimmie,

Some or your searches/needs seem similar to mine. So I will share some 
of the stuff I'm using or considering, which is not Pharo/Smalltalk 
related and how I plan to connect it with Pharo.


On markup language and documentation I'm using pandoc[1], which covers 
a wide variety of formats (including Html and LaTeX, like Pillar) and 
works on Windows, Gnu/Linux and Mac with a pretty portable 
installation. I use Zotero[2] integration vía BibTeX and Citezen[3] 
using Grafoscopio[4], a custom made Pharo interactive documentation 
system I'm building to learn smalltalk. On the website generation, I 
was a user/promoter of web2py[5] for several year, but recently I'm 
migrating towards static site genetators like Nikola[6] and Grav[7] 
because I don't need any much else for my web presence.


[1] http://pandoc.org/
[2] https://www.zotero.org/
[3] 
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/citezen-EsugAwards2009.pdf

[4] http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Offray/Grafoscopio
[5] http://web2py.com/
[6] https://getnikola.com/
[7] http://getgrav.org/

My idea is to build an interface from Grafoscopio to this non-pharo 
technologies like static web site generators, so you can use the 
interactivity of Pharo/Smalltalk, without having to reinvent the wheel 
all the time (at least for wheels yo don't care about). I'm trying to 
find the knowledge/time to put this ideas into practice. Maybe you can 
consider some of these in your initial overview of the problem and the 
solutions.


Cheers,

Offray

On 22/09/15 11:30, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
I know there are options to Pier. To a certain extent part of the 
purpose of my email was to explore whether or not Pier is a viable 
option and if it has community support that I am not easily seeing.


I want to stick with reasonably well supported options.

I thought the cms and blog parts of Pier looked interesting. This is 
all personal and not for business or public.


I definitely want to learn Pillar as it is required if at some point 
I want to contribute to any of the documentation. And it looks like a 
pretty powerful tool.


I do not have any clearly defined goals which make Pier a 
requirement. The blog and cms like features are possibly reasonably 
implementable in the more currently supported options. And those are 
simply things I am exploring not requiring.


It seems that Doru possibly uses it on the 
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog site.


Thanks.

Jimmie

On 09/22/2015 02:38 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:

Hi,

Jimmie Houchin  writes:


I am interested in learning to use Pier. I browsed the mailing list to
learn about current status and documentation. It seems to be pretty
quiet on the mailing lists.

There seems to be some activity on Smalltalkhub on Pier3.


Pillar, the document model and parser of Pier is alive. I need help but
the project is definitely not dead as we use it for all books we are
writing.

The rest of Pier, mainly the web interface, looks rather dead for me as
well.

Why are you interested in Pier? We might help you find other projects
that could suit your needs.