Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Dimitris Chloupis]

Unless we talk about a diffident launcher I am not aware of. Pharo launcher
is both a GUI last time I checked and loadable inside any image. So
technically speaking you don’t need neither the GUI nor the command line.
You can fully integrate it and automate it with your own project and then
publish that project to Package Browser so that downloads and installs from
inside the image with a single click. It’s just regular Pharo code like
anything else.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 12:41, Prof. Andrew P. Black 
wrote:

>
> On 23 Nov 2017, at 12:56 , Herby Vojčík  wrote:
>
> Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I don't get
> it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest question)?
>
>
> I also was completely confused by what the launcher was for.  And when I
> tried it, it did not seem to load.  Now that I know what it is for, it is
> very useful.  So I will try to explain the basics.
>
> The launcher is *not* a project that you load into your Pharo image.  It
> is stand-alone command line tool that you use for creating and managing
> your images.  It lets you quickly and easily:
>
>
>- download the latest pre-built Pharo image and create your own copy.
>   - you can choose from Pharo 6.1 stable or Pharo 7 development
>   - You can choose 64 or 32 bit
>- manage multiple images on your computer
>   - Launch (with the right VM), with and without your personal
>   settings,
>   - Delete old images
>- run multiple images in parallel
>
>
> The “Save as ...” command in Pharo is unfortunately *not *at this time
> compatible with the launcher, so if you create a new image using Save As
> ..., it will not show up in the launcher.
>
> You should be able to launch the launcher by double-clicking on it from
> your OS.  In MacOS, I have it in the dock.
>
> Perhaps someone can put some text like what I have written above on the
> web page?  We often assume that people know ... well, they mostly don’t!
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[stephan]

On 29-11-17 11:39, Prof. Andrew P. Black wrote:
The “Save as ...” command in Pharo is unfortunately /not /at this time 
compatible with the launcher, so if you create a new image using Save As 
..., it will not show up in the launcher.


PharoLauncher however can copy a saved image and create a new one from 
it. That is not exactly the same, as you need to start by creating a 
copy if you want to be able to snapshot and go back to the original 
version. Copying the image with PharoLauncher also provides you with a 
new, empty, packageCache (unless you selected you share that).


Having the snapshots of an image show up in the launcher would actually 
be a pretty useful feature. The interaction with different git branches 
gets interesting then.


Stephan

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Prof. Andrew P. Black]

> On 23 Nov 2017, at 12:56 , Herby Vojčík  wrote:
> 
> Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I don't get 
> it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest question)?

I also was completely confused by what the launcher was for.  And when I tried 
it, it did not seem to load.  Now that I know what it is for, it is very 
useful.  So I will try to explain the basics.

The launcher is not a project that you load into your Pharo image.  It is 
stand-alone command line tool that you use for creating and managing your 
images.  It lets you quickly and easily:

download the latest pre-built Pharo image and create your own copy.
you can choose from Pharo 6.1 stable or Pharo 7 development
You can choose 64 or 32 bit
manage multiple images on your computer
Launch (with the right VM), with and without your personal settings, 
Delete old images
run multiple images in parallel

The “Save as ...” command in Pharo is unfortunately not at this time compatible 
with the launcher, so if you create a new image using Save As ..., it will not 
show up in the launcher. 

You should be able to launch the launcher by double-clicking on it from your 
OS.  In MacOS, I have it in the dock.  

Perhaps someone can put some text like what I have written above on the web 
page?  We often assume that people know ... well, they mostly don’t!

Andrew

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Christophe Demarey]

> Le 28 nov. 2017 à 22:00, Stephane Ducasse  a écrit :
> 
> Christophe
> 
> I think that we should remove the blessed folder.

After we moved the file-server, I will do a big cleanup of pharo launcher files.
I think I will only publish OS-packages (win,linux, OS X) and create a 
pharo-luacher folder at the root of the file-server. It will be more clear.

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Stephane Ducasse]

Christophe

I think that we should remove the blessed folder.

Setf

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Christophe Demarey
 wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Le 26 nov. 2017 à 22:25, p...@highoctane.be a écrit :
>
> So, I try it on my CentOS 7 64 bit and... as there is no 64 bit version of
> the launcher…
>
>
> Right.
> Can’t you use the 32 bit version?
> Anyway, I think it would be good to have a 64 bit version.  Could you open
> an issue for that please?
>
>
> pharo6-64-ui PharoLauncher.image
> This interpreter (vers. 68021) cannot read image file (vers. 6521).
> Press CR to quit...
>
> How is one using the launcher for 64 bit stuff?
>
> Phil
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Stephane Ducasse 
> wrote:
>>
>> If you don't try you will not understand what you miss.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
>> > Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Then do not try :) like that you will never get a chance to know :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Could you please explain? I understood your sentence has high dose of
>> > homour
>> > which I cannot decipher since I lack certain abilities for that.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Herby
>> >
>> >> Stef
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>> 
>>  Why don't you try? It does not bite.
>> 
>>  For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
>>  several weeks and others I drop day to day.
>>  And I have also startup script per versions.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at
>> >>> all -
>> >>> load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about?
>> >>> Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have
>> >>> hundreds
>> >>> (I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script magic to
>> >>> work
>> >>> with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - did not know
>> >>> of
>> >>> them
>> >>> until your booklet, not using them at all yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Herby
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>  Stef
>> 
>>  On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of
>> > "branches".
>> >
>> > However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere:
>> > "start
>> > each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I
>> > should
>> > not
>> > reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor
>> > reuse
>> > existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine
>> > with
>> > some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets,
>> > the
>> > "one
>> > start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate
>> > projects
>> > from each other)?
>> >
>> > Thanks, Herby
>> >
>> > Peter Uhnák wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Herby,
>> >>
>> >> normally people use different images for their different projects,
>> >> different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with
>> >> many
>> >> locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
>> >> So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image
>> >> just
>> >> by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can
>> >> launch
>> >> them, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík> >> >   wrote:
>> >>
>> >>   Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>> >>
>> >>   Hi
>> >>
>> >>   I love the PharoLauncher.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it,
>> >> but I
>> >>   don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases
>> >> (honest
>> >>   question)?
>> >>
>> >>   Thanks, Herby
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   It helps me to manage my parallel development and
>> >> projects.
>> >>
>> >>   We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
>> >>
>> >>   http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
>> >>   
>> >>
>> >>   is arcane.
>> >>
>> >>   Stef
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Christophe Demarey]

Hi Phil,

> Le 26 nov. 2017 à 22:25, p...@highoctane.be a écrit :
> 
> So, I try it on my CentOS 7 64 bit and... as there is no 64 bit version of 
> the launcher…

Right.
Can’t you use the 32 bit version?
Anyway, I think it would be good to have a 64 bit version.  Could you open an 
issue for that please?

> 
> pharo6-64-ui PharoLauncher.image 
> This interpreter (vers. 68021) cannot read image file (vers. 6521).
> Press CR to quit...
> 
> How is one using the launcher for 64 bit stuff?
> 
> Phil
> 
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Stephane Ducasse  > wrote:
> If you don't try you will not understand what you miss.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  > wrote:
> > Stephane Ducasse wrote:
> >>
> >> Then do not try :) like that you will never get a chance to know :)
> >
> >
> > Could you please explain? I understood your sentence has high dose of homour
> > which I cannot decipher since I lack certain abilities for that.
> >
> > Thanks, Herby
> >
> >> Stef
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Herby Vojčík >> >  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
> 
>  Why don't you try? It does not bite.
> 
>  For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
>  several weeks and others I drop day to day.
>  And I have also startup script per versions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at all -
> >>> load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about?
> >>> Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have
> >>> hundreds
> >>> (I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script magic to work
> >>> with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - did not know of
> >>> them
> >>> until your booklet, not using them at all yet.
> >>>
> >>> Herby
> >>>
> >>>
>  Stef
> 
>  On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  >   wrote:
> >
> > Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches".
> >
> > However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere:
> > "start
> > each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should
> > not
> > reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor
> > reuse
> > existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine
> > with
> > some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the
> > "one
> > start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate
> > projects
> > from each other)?
> >
> > Thanks, Herby
> >
> > Peter Uhnák wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Herby,
> >>
> >> normally people use different images for their different projects,
> >> different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with
> >> many
> >> locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
> >> So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image
> >> just
> >> by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch
> >> them, etc.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík >> 
> >> >>   wrote:
> >>
> >>   Stephane Ducasse wrote:
> >>
> >>   Hi
> >>
> >>   I love the PharoLauncher.
> >>
> >>
> >>   Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I
> >>   don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
> >>   question)?
> >>
> >>   Thanks, Herby
> >>
> >>
> >>   It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.
> >>
> >>   We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
> >>
> >>   http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/ 
> >> 
> >>    >> >
> >>
> >>   is arcane.
> >>
> >>   Stef
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Ben Coman]

On 27 November 2017 at 05:25, p...@highoctane.be  wrote:

> So, I try it on my CentOS 7 64 bit and... as there is no 64 bit version of
> the launcher...
>
> pharo6-64-ui PharoLauncher.image
> This interpreter (vers. 68021) cannot read image file (vers. 6521).
> Press CR to quit...
>
> How is one using the launcher for 64 bit stuff?
>

Starting with a fresh 64-bit image, install from the Catalog or Monticello
repository.
http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher

cheers -ben


>
> Phil
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Stephane Ducasse  > wrote:
>
>> If you don't try you will not understand what you miss.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
>> > Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Then do not try :) like that you will never get a chance to know :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Could you please explain? I understood your sentence has high dose of
>> homour
>> > which I cannot decipher since I lack certain abilities for that.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Herby
>> >
>> >> Stef
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Herby Vojčík
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>> 
>>  Why don't you try? It does not bite.
>> 
>>  For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
>>  several weeks and others I drop day to day.
>>  And I have also startup script per versions.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at
>> all -
>> >>> load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about?
>> >>> Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have
>> >>> hundreds
>> >>> (I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script magic to
>> work
>> >>> with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - did not know
>> of
>> >>> them
>> >>> until your booklet, not using them at all yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Herby
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>  Stef
>> 
>>  On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of
>> "branches".
>> >
>> > However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere:
>> > "start
>> > each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I
>> should
>> > not
>> > reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor
>> > reuse
>> > existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine
>> > with
>> > some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets,
>> the
>> > "one
>> > start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate
>> > projects
>> > from each other)?
>> >
>> > Thanks, Herby
>> >
>> > Peter Uhnák wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Herby,
>> >>
>> >> normally people use different images for their different projects,
>> >> different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with
>> >> many
>> >> locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
>> >> So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image
>> >> just
>> >> by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can
>> launch
>> >> them, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík> >> >   wrote:
>> >>
>> >>   Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>> >>
>> >>   Hi
>> >>
>> >>   I love the PharoLauncher.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it,
>> but I
>> >>   don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases
>> (honest
>> >>   question)?
>> >>
>> >>   Thanks, Herby
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   It helps me to manage my parallel development and
>> projects.
>> >>
>> >>   We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
>> >>
>> >>   http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
>> >>   
>> >>
>> >>   is arcane.
>> >>
>> >>   Stef
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[p...@highoctane.be]

So, I try it on my CentOS 7 64 bit and... as there is no 64 bit version of
the launcher...

pharo6-64-ui PharoLauncher.image
This interpreter (vers. 68021) cannot read image file (vers. 6521).
Press CR to quit...

How is one using the launcher for 64 bit stuff?

Phil

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Stephane Ducasse 
wrote:

> If you don't try you will not understand what you miss.
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
> > Stephane Ducasse wrote:
> >>
> >> Then do not try :) like that you will never get a chance to know :)
> >
> >
> > Could you please explain? I understood your sentence has high dose of
> homour
> > which I cannot decipher since I lack certain abilities for that.
> >
> > Thanks, Herby
> >
> >> Stef
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
> 
>  Why don't you try? It does not bite.
> 
>  For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
>  several weeks and others I drop day to day.
>  And I have also startup script per versions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at
> all -
> >>> load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about?
> >>> Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have
> >>> hundreds
> >>> (I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script magic to
> work
> >>> with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - did not know of
> >>> them
> >>> until your booklet, not using them at all yet.
> >>>
> >>> Herby
> >>>
> >>>
>  Stef
> 
>  On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík
>  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of
> "branches".
> >
> > However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere:
> > "start
> > each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I
> should
> > not
> > reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor
> > reuse
> > existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine
> > with
> > some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets,
> the
> > "one
> > start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate
> > projects
> > from each other)?
> >
> > Thanks, Herby
> >
> > Peter Uhnák wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Herby,
> >>
> >> normally people use different images for their different projects,
> >> different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with
> >> many
> >> locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
> >> So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image
> >> just
> >> by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can
> launch
> >> them, etc.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík >> >   wrote:
> >>
> >>   Stephane Ducasse wrote:
> >>
> >>   Hi
> >>
> >>   I love the PharoLauncher.
> >>
> >>
> >>   Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it,
> but I
> >>   don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
> >>   question)?
> >>
> >>   Thanks, Herby
> >>
> >>
> >>   It helps me to manage my parallel development and
> projects.
> >>
> >>   We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
> >>
> >>   http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
> >>   
> >>
> >>   is arcane.
> >>
> >>   Stef
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Stephane Ducasse]

If you don't try you will not understand what you miss.

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>> Then do not try :) like that you will never get a chance to know :)
>
>
> Could you please explain? I understood your sentence has high dose of homour
> which I cannot decipher since I lack certain abilities for that.
>
> Thanks, Herby
>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
>>>
>>> Stephane Ducasse wrote:

 Why don't you try? It does not bite.

 For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
 several weeks and others I drop day to day.
 And I have also startup script per versions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at all -
>>> load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about?
>>> Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have
>>> hundreds
>>> (I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script magic to work
>>> with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - did not know of
>>> them
>>> until your booklet, not using them at all yet.
>>>
>>> Herby
>>>
>>>
 Stef

 On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík   wrote:
>
> Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches".
>
> However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere:
> "start
> each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should
> not
> reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor
> reuse
> existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine
> with
> some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the
> "one
> start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate
> projects
> from each other)?
>
> Thanks, Herby
>
> Peter Uhnák wrote:
>>
>> Hi Herby,
>>
>> normally people use different images for their different projects,
>> different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with
>> many
>> locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
>> So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image
>> just
>> by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch
>> them, etc.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík> >   wrote:
>>
>>   Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>   Hi
>>
>>   I love the PharoLauncher.
>>
>>
>>   Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I
>>   don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
>>   question)?
>>
>>   Thanks, Herby
>>
>>
>>   It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.
>>
>>   We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
>>
>>   http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
>>   
>>
>>   is arcane.
>>
>>   Stef
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Herby Vojčík]

Stephane Ducasse wrote:

Then do not try :) like that you will never get a chance to know :)


Could you please explain? I understood your sentence has high dose of 
homour which I cannot decipher since I lack certain abilities for that.


Thanks, Herby


Stef


On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:

Stephane Ducasse wrote:

Why don't you try? It does not bite.

For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
several weeks and others I drop day to day.
And I have also startup script per versions.


Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at all -
load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about?
Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have hundreds
(I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script magic to work
with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - did not know of them
until your booklet, not using them at all yet.

Herby



Stef

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík   wrote:

Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches".

However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere: "start
each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should
not
reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor reuse
existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine with
some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the
"one
start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate projects
from each other)?

Thanks, Herby

Peter Uhnák wrote:

Hi Herby,

normally people use different images for their different projects,
different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many
locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just
by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch
them, etc.

Peter

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík>   wrote:

  Stephane Ducasse wrote:

  Hi

  I love the PharoLauncher.


  Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I
  don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
  question)?

  Thanks, Herby


  It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.

  We should put a link on the Pharo web site because

  http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
  

  is arcane.

  Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Stephane Ducasse]

Then do not try :) like that you will never get a chance to know :)


Stef


On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>> Why don't you try? It does not bite.
>>
>> For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
>> several weeks and others I drop day to day.
>> And I have also startup script per versions.
>
>
> Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at all -
> load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about?
> Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have hundreds
> (I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script magic to work
> with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - did not know of them
> until your booklet, not using them at all yet.
>
> Herby
>
>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches".
>>>
>>> However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere: "start
>>> each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should
>>> not
>>> reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor reuse
>>> existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine with
>>> some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the
>>> "one
>>> start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate projects
>>> from each other)?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Herby
>>>
>>> Peter Uhnák wrote:

 Hi Herby,

 normally people use different images for their different projects,
 different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many
 locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
 So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just
 by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch
 them, etc.

 Peter

 On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík>  wrote:

  Stephane Ducasse wrote:

  Hi

  I love the PharoLauncher.


  Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I
  don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
  question)?

  Thanks, Herby


  It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.

  We should put a link on the Pharo web site because

  http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
  

  is arcane.

  Stef




>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Herby Vojčík]

Stephane Ducasse wrote:

Why don't you try? It does not bite.

For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
several weeks and others I drop day to day.
And I have also startup script per versions.


Maybe I will. The main problem was I didn't what it's good about at all 
- load image for a version, runs it - what's the "wow it's great" about? 
Missed part was it loads correct vm; plus makes sense when you have 
hundreds (I don't). Now it must be combined with the startup script 
magic to work with long-time projects, but those are also new to me - 
did not know of them until your booklet, not using them at all yet.


Herby


Stef

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:

Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches".

However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere: "start
each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should not
reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor reuse
existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine with
some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the "one
start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate projects
from each other)?

Thanks, Herby

Peter Uhnák wrote:

Hi Herby,

normally people use different images for their different projects,
different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many
locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just
by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch
them, etc.

Peter

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík>  wrote:

 Stephane Ducasse wrote:

 Hi

 I love the PharoLauncher.


 Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I
 don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
 question)?

 Thanks, Herby


 It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.

 We should put a link on the Pharo web site because

 http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
 

 is arcane.

 Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Stephane Ducasse]

Why don't you try? It does not bite.

For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over
several weeks and others I drop day to day.
And I have also startup script per versions.

Stef

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
> Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches".
>
> However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere: "start
> each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should not
> reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor reuse
> existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine with
> some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the "one
> start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate projects
> from each other)?
>
> Thanks, Herby
>
> Peter Uhnák wrote:
>>
>> Hi Herby,
>>
>> normally people use different images for their different projects,
>> different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many
>> locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
>> So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just
>> by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch
>> them, etc.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík > > wrote:
>>
>> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I love the PharoLauncher.
>>
>>
>> Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I
>> don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
>> question)?
>>
>> Thanks, Herby
>>
>>
>> It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.
>>
>> We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
>>
>> http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
>> 
>>
>> is arcane.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Herby Vojčík]

Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches".

However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere: 
"start each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I 
should not reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes 
etc.) nor reuse existing image (I should start with the new one). Or 
does it combine with some startup-magic described in one of the recent 
Steph's booklets, the "one start per [new] image" case (but again, one 
should discriminate projects from each other)?


Thanks, Herby

Peter Uhnák wrote:

Hi Herby,

normally people use different images for their different projects,
different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many
locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just
by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch
them, etc.

Peter

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík > wrote:

Stephane Ducasse wrote:

Hi

I love the PharoLauncher.


Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I
don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest
question)?

Thanks, Herby


It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.

We should put a link on the Pharo web site because

http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/


is arcane.

Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Peter Uhnák]

Hi Herby,

normally people use different images for their different projects,
different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many
locations on disk, and it can be hard to track.
So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just by
clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch them,
etc.

Peter

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:

> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I love the PharoLauncher.
>>
>
> Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I don't get
> it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest question)?
>
> Thanks, Herby
>
>
> It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.
>>
>> We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
>>
>> http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
>>
>> is arcane.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Ben Coman]

Every time I investigate an issue from the tracker, I start with a new
fresh image.
Often its useful to track down which build introduced a bug, so I need to
bisect the last 500 builds or so.
I select a build version from the "Template" side and create an image named
"CaseC-B"
where C is the issue number and B is the build number.
I'll quickly end up with a dozen images then delete all but the two either
side of where the bug was introduced,
to examine the differences between them, and develop a fix for the later
build, then testing that fix in the latest build.

Also when someone announces a new library, I can quickly create a new image
"SomeProject-B"
which I can dip my toes into as I get time available.

Nowadays the matching VM is automatically downloaded, which makes it easier
to keep up with the latest VM+Image.

cheers -ben

On 23 November 2017 at 19:56, Herby Vojčík  wrote:

> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I love the PharoLauncher.
>>
>
> Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I don't get
> it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest question)?
>
> Thanks, Herby
>
>
> It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.
>>
>> We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
>>
>> http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
>>
>> is arcane.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Stephane Ducasse]

I select the pharo image I want either from jenkins or from the file
server and I click and
it selects the correct vm download it and then I can keep the 1000
images I have ordered and in a single
user interface and I can manage all my images.

To me this is really a pain killer.
It makes me super efficient and I like that.

Stef

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby Vojčík  wrote:
> Stephane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I love the PharoLauncher.
>
>
> Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I don't get
> it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest question)?
>
> Thanks, Herby
>
>
>> It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.
>>
>> We should put a link on the Pharo web site because
>>
>> http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/
>>
>> is arcane.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Herby Vojčík]

Stephane Ducasse wrote:

Hi

I love the PharoLauncher.


Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I don't 
get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest question)?


Thanks, Herby


It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.

We should put a link on the Pharo web site because

http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/

is arcane.

Stef

[Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

[Stephane Ducasse]

Hi

I love the PharoLauncher.
It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects.

We should put a link on the Pharo web site because

http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/

is arcane.

Stef