Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor questions..Triton Motors...pt. 2
Hello again Gabriel: Your serial number puts the machine just a few hundred below the introduction of the Triumph. The motor number is correct for that machine. All good news since the Speed Control Knob was standardized by this time so there should be no problem locating the correct part. I suspect the person who sold you the speed control may have thought it was for a Triumph/Springmotor but it likely is for a Home A or Standard A, possibly even for an ICS machine made much later. At the moment all of my machines are in storage so I cannot take a thread gauge and micrometer to determine what the correct screw size is for a Springmotor. I do remember that the 'suitcase Home' speed knob is a 10-32 thread. It is optimally 0.190 in diameter. If you have a micrometer you can check the diameter of the shaft that is too narrow. I will keep digging. Meanwhile, give Dwayne a call at Wyatt's, I would bet he has an early Triumph Speed Control Knob of correct thread. Best wishes, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor questions..Triton Motors...pt. 2
Terry Baer(t...@edisontriumph.com) You could also try Terry Baer as he sells triumph parts. Steve Hello again Gabriel: Your serial number puts the machine just a few hundred below the introduction of the Triumph. The motor number is correct for that machine. All good news since the Speed Control Knob was standardized by this time so there should be no problem locating the correct part. I suspect the person who sold you the speed control may have thought it was for a Triumph/Springmotor but it likely is for a Home A or Standard A, possibly even for an ICS machine made much later. At the moment all of my machines are in storage so I cannot take a thread gauge and micrometer to determine what the correct screw size is for a Springmotor. I do remember that the 'suitcase Home' speed knob is a 10-32 thread. It is optimally 0.190 in diameter. If you have a micrometer you can check the diameter of the shaft that is too narrow. I will keep digging. Meanwhile, give Dwayne a call at Wyatt's, I would bet he has an early Triumph Speed Control Knob of correct thread. Best wishes, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts...
Hi Al, Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get it back to original. Thanks, Harvey Kravitz From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Greetings Harvey: The solid brass mandrels were on the early M and E electric machines. They were press fit onto the steel mandrel shaft. Even in those days solid brass of that diameter was expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896. As the M topworks was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel became a hollow cylinder with brass ends pressed in. It was a thick wall brass which still carried some weight. The smaller diameter end was indented to allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate. In 1901 the nickel plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in brass costs and reduced the number of machining operations. The indented end continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not require it. For the rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass mandrel continued to serve well. The Home phonograph had the thick walled hollow brass mandrel with end pieces almost from the earliest machines. Only the very lowest serial numbers are occasionally found with a solid mandrel and the indented end. The Home had that thick walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was reduced as nickel plating was added. The drawn thin brass mandrel was introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet change. The length of the mandrel shaft remained the same until the Model B was introduced. SADLY, there are sellers who swap out the brass mandrel for a later thin walled nickeled mandrel. They then charge more for the brass mandrel than they paid for the whole phonograph. So, you can find a Home with a serial number below 9000 with a shiny nickeled mandrel that should not be there. And further along there will be an eBay listing for the original brass mandrel for a higher price than the mutt machine. Gr ! ! ! I hope that helps. I am away from my research materials so I only guarantee the above to be 50% correct... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Cylinders For Sale
If anybody's interested in 640 UNPICKED Blue Amberols ($2500 for the lot), let me know. For a small fee they can be delivered to Union - but need to know this week. Lots of Billy Murray, Uncle Josh, Collins Harlan and other comedy. Some bands, dance bands, instrumentals and the usual vocals. Eyeballed maybe 20% - all looked very nice! best, Darrell ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor questions..Triton Motors...pt. 2
Thank you very much. But I am pretty sure the knob I have bought is from a Triumph as it as even the speed indicator. Here you are the pictures. http://www.boxio.com/40CWBT7HTNVP/KICX2301.JPG http://www.boxio.com/40WI0NUD52LS/KICX2299.JPG http://www.boxio.com/40150Y4QK14X/KICX2297.JPG I haven't got a micrometer nor a thread gauge (I am in Spain and withworth screws are very rare here). I will call at Wyatt's. thanks for the advice. Gabriel. El 17/05/2010, a las 11:06, clockworkh...@aol.com escribió: Hello again Gabriel: Your serial number puts the machine just a few hundred below the introduction of the Triumph. The motor number is correct for that machine. All good news since the Speed Control Knob was standardized by this time so there should be no problem locating the correct part. I suspect the person who sold you the speed control may have thought it was for a Triumph/Springmotor but it likely is for a Home A or Standard A, possibly even for an ICS machine made much later. At the moment all of my machines are in storage so I cannot take a thread gauge and micrometer to determine what the correct screw size is for a Springmotor. I do remember that the 'suitcase Home' speed knob is a 10-32 thread. It is optimally 0.190 in diameter. If you have a micrometer you can check the diameter of the shaft that is too narrow. I will keep digging. Meanwhile, give Dwayne a call at Wyatt's, I would bet he has an early Triumph Speed Control Knob of correct thread. Best wishes, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts...
Harvey, An Edison Home numbered in the 3400 range would date from February 1898. As I noted yesterday on the ATM board, Homes began appearing with nickel-plated mandrels in October/November 1898. Hope this helps - - George P. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Al, Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get it back to original. Thanks, Harvey Kravitz From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Greetings Harvey: The solid brass mandrels were on the early M and E electric machines. They were press fit onto the steel mandrel shaft. Even in those days solid brass of that diameter was expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896. As the M topworks was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel became a hollow cylinder with brass ends pressed in. It was a thick wall brass which still carried some weight. The smaller diameter end was indented to allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate. In 1901 the nickel plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in brass costs and reduced the number of machining operations. The indented end continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not require it. For the rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass mandrel continued to serve well. The Home phonograph had the thick walled hollow brass mandrel with end pieces almost from the earliest machines. Only the very lowest serial numbers are occasionally found with a solid mandrel and the indented end. The Home had that thick walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was reduced as nickel plating was added. The drawn thin brass mandrel was introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet change. The length of the mandrel shaft remained the same until the Model B was introduced. SADLY, there are sellers who swap out the brass mandrel for a later thin walled nickeled mandrel. They then charge more for the brass mandrel than they paid for the whole phonograph. So, you can find a Home with a serial number below 9000 with a shiny nickeled mandrel that should not be there. And further along there will be an eBay listing for the original brass mandrel for a higher price than the mutt machine. Gr ! ! ! I hope that helps. I am away from my research materials so I only guarantee the above to be 50% correct... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts...
Hi George, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. All the best. Harvey From: gpaul2...@aol.com gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 2:00:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Harvey, An Edison Home numbered in the 3400 range would date from February 1898. As I noted yesterday on the ATM board, Homes began appearing with nickel-plated mandrels in October/November 1898. Hope this helps - - George P. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Al, Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get it back to original. Thanks, Harvey Kravitz From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Greetings Harvey: The solid brass mandrels were on the early M and E electric machines. They were press fit onto the steel mandrel shaft. Even in those days solid brass of that diameter was expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896. As the M topworks was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel became a hollow cylinder with brass ends pressed in. It was a thick wall brass which still carried some weight. The smaller diameter end was indented to allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate. In 1901 the nickel plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in brass costs and reduced the number of machining operations. The indented end continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not require it. For the rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass mandrel continued to serve well. The Home phonograph had the thick walled hollow brass mandrel with end pieces almost from the earliest machines. Only the very lowest serial numbers are occasionally found with a solid mandrel and the indented end. The Home had that thick walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was reduced as nickel plating was added. The drawn thin brass mandrel was introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet change. The length of the mandrel shaft remained the same until the Model B was introduced. SADLY, there are sellers who swap out the brass mandrel for a later thin walled nickeled mandrel. They then charge more for the brass mandrel than they paid for the whole phonograph. So, you can find a Home with a serial number below 9000 with a shiny nickeled mandrel that should not be there. And further along there will be an eBay listing for the original brass mandrel for a higher price than the mutt machine. Gr ! ! ! I hope that helps. I am away from my research materials so I only guarantee the above to be 50% correct... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts...
Hi Harvey, George must have read the The Edison Home Phonograph, 1896 - 1901 in the Sept 2006 CAPS The Sound Box. This was a wonderful article well worth the price of the annual subscription. I still refer to this article for the most valuable information it provides. I cannot say enough about how enjoyable The Sound Box is to read. Steve Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:01:02 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi George, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. All the best. Harvey From: gpaul2...@aol.com gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 2:00:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Harvey, An Edison Home numbered in the 3400 range would date from February 1898. As I noted yesterday on the ATM board, Homes began appearing with nickel-plated mandrels in October/November 1898. Hope this helps - - George P. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Al, Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get it back to original. Thanks, Harvey Kravitz From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Greetings Harvey: The solid brass mandrels were on the early M and E electric machines. They were press fit onto the steel mandrel shaft. Even in those days solid brass of that diameter was expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896. As the M topworks was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel became a hollow cylinder with brass ends pressed in. It was a thick wall brass which still carried some weight. The smaller diameter end was indented to allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate. In 1901 the nickel plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in brass costs and reduced the number of machining operations. The indented end continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not require it. For the rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass mandrel continued to serve well. The Home phonograph had the thick walled hollow brass mandrel with end pieces almost from the earliest machines. Only the very lowest serial numbers are occasionally found with a solid mandrel and the indented end. The Home had that thick walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was reduced as nickel plating was added. The drawn thin brass mandrel was introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet change. The length of the mandrel shaft remained the same until the Model B was introduced. SADLY, there are sellers who swap out the brass mandrel for a later thin walled nickeled mandrel. They then charge more for the brass mandrel than they paid for the whole phonograph. So, you can find a Home with a serial number below 9000 with a shiny nickeled mandrel that should not be there. And further along there will be an eBay listing for the original brass mandrel for a higher price than the mutt machine. Gr ! ! ! I hope that helps. I am away from my research materials so I only guarantee the above to be 50% correct... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts...
Steve, I'm gratified to hear that you continue to enjoy the article on the 1896-1901 Home. (Not only did I read it, but I wrote it!) Your kind remarks on that article as well as The Sound Box are much appreciated. Anyone wishing to subscribe to The Sound Box may do so my logging onto the website Steve provided: www.ca-phono.org. ...and pay online with Paypal. Otherwise, send a check to the address given on the website. All back issues are still available as well. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Harvey, George must have read the The Edison Home Phonograph, 1896 - 1901 in the Sept 2006 CAPS The Sound Box. This was a wonderful article well worth the price of the annual subscription. I still refer to this article for the most valuable information it provides. I cannot say enough about how enjoyable The Sound Box is to read. Steve Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:01:02 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi George, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. All the best. Harvey From: gpaul2...@aol.com gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 2:00:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Harvey, An Edison Home numbered in the 3400 range would date from February 1898. As I noted yesterday on the ATM board, Homes began appearing with nickel-plated mandrels in October/November 1898. Hope this helps - - George P. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Al, Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get it back to original. Thanks, Harvey Kravitz From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Greetings Harvey: The solid brass mandrels were on the early M and E electric machines. They were press fit onto the steel mandrel shaft. Even in those days solid brass of that diameter was expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896. As the M topworks was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel became a hollow cylinder with brass ends pressed in. It was a thick wall brass which still carried some weight. The smaller diameter end was indented to allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate. In 1901 the nickel plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in brass costs and reduced the number of machining operations. The indented end continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not require it. For the rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass mandrel continued to serve well. The Home phonograph had the thick walled hollow brass mandrel with end pieces almost from the earliest machines. Only the very lowest serial numbers are occasionally found with a solid mandrel and the indented end. The Home had that thick walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was reduced as nickel plating was added. The drawn thin brass mandrel was introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet change. The length of the mandrel shaft remained the same until the Model B was introduced. SADLY, there are sellers who swap out the brass mandrel for a later thin walled nickeled mandrel. They then charge more for the brass mandrel than they paid for the whole phonograph. So, you can find a Home with a serial number below 9000 with a shiny nickeled mandrel that should not be there. And further along there will be an eBay listing for the original brass mandrel for a higher price than the mutt machine. Gr ! ! ! I hope that helps. I am away from my research materials so I only guarantee the above to be 50% correct... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___
[Phono-L] CAPS membership via PayPal
George, What e-mail should be used to make Payment to CAPS via PayPal? Thank you, Jack Whelan Anyone wishing to subscribe to The Sound Box may do so my logging onto the website Steve provided: www.ca-phono.org. ...and pay online with Paypal. Otherwise, send a check to the address given on the website. All back issues are still available as well. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Harvey, George must have read the The Edison Home Phonograph, 1896 - 1901 in the Sept 2006 CAPS The Sound Box. This was a wonderful article well worth the price of the annual subscription. I still refer to this article for the most valuable information it provides. I cannot say enough about how enjoyable The Sound Box is to read. Steve Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:01:02 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi George, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. All the best. Harvey From: gpaul2...@aol.com gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 2:00:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Harvey, An Edison Home numbered in the 3400 range would date from February 1898. As I noted yesterday on the ATM board, Homes began appearing with nickel-plated mandrels in October/November 1898. Hope this helps - - George P. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Al, Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get it back to original. Thanks, Harvey Kravitz From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Greetings Harvey: The solid brass mandrels were on the early M and E electric machines. They were press fit onto the steel mandrel shaft. Even in those days solid brass of that diameter was expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896. As the M topworks was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel became a hollow cylinder with brass ends pressed in. It was a thick wall brass which still carried some weight. The smaller diameter end was indented to allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate. In 1901 the nickel plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in brass costs and reduced the number of machining operations. The indented end continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not require it. For the rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass mandrel continued to serve well. The Home phonograph had the thick walled hollow brass mandrel with end pieces almost from the earliest machines. Only the very lowest serial numbers are occasionally found with a solid mandrel and the indented end. The Home had that thick walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was reduced as nickel plating was added. The drawn thin brass mandrel was introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet change. The length of the mandrel shaft remained the same until the Model B was introduced. SADLY, there are sellers who swap out the brass mandrel for a later thin walled nickeled mandrel. They then charge more for the brass mandrel than they paid for the whole phonograph. So, you can find a Home with a serial number below 9000 with a shiny nickeled mandrel that should not be there. And further along there will be an eBay listing for the original brass mandrel for a higher price than the mutt machine. Gr ! ! ! I hope that helps. I am away from my research materials so I only guarantee the above to be 50% correct... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts...
Steve Thank you for your help it is well appreciated. Ed Sieckert - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Ed, I assume you are referring to Edison Cylinder Phonographs, and most unfortunately the best and most complete book is now out of print and costs around $200.00 to purchase. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0960646612/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8qid=1274142870sr=8-1condition=used http://tinyurl.com/2eg9ewh CAPS California Antique Phonograph Society can be joined by contacting Jeff Olliphant at jl...@aol.com I believe the back issues can still be purchased. The magazine is produced four times a year and is well worth the price. I believe it costs $25 a year. Here is the website. I live in Florida so I cannot attend the meetings but the magazine is wonderful. http://www.ca-phono.org/ Steve From: e...@sieckert.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:28:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hello Steve I am new to the site and wondered if you could help. I am interested in learning about the Edison phonographs circa 1900 to 1910. Are there any good books written on the subject. The Sound Box. Do you know who publishes this magazine and any phone number to call so that I can subscribe? Thank you. ED Sieckert Lodi, CA _- - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Harvey, George must have read the The Edison Home Phonograph, 1896 - 1901 in the Sept 2006 CAPS The Sound Box. This was a wonderful article well worth the price of the annual subscription. I still refer to this article for the most valuable information it provides. I cannot say enough about how enjoyable The Sound Box is to read. Steve Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:01:02 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi George, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. All the best. Harvey From: gpaul2...@aol.com gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 2:00:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Harvey, An Edison Home numbered in the 3400 range would date from February 1898. As I noted yesterday on the ATM board, Homes began appearing with nickel-plated mandrels in October/November 1898. Hope this helps - - George P. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Hi Al, Thank you for all your help.I really learned a lot from you. I have an Edison suit case Home with a 3400's serial number. Do you know if it had a brass mandrel? It was converted into a 2/4 min. machine either by the original owner or a collector. If this indeed had a brass mandrel, I'd love to get it back to original. Thanks, Harvey Kravitz From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 4:04:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Brass Mandrels... some idle thoughts... Greetings Harvey: The solid brass mandrels were on the early M and E electric machines. They were press fit onto the steel mandrel shaft. Even in those days solid brass of that diameter was expensive so few are found to be solid after 1896. As the M topworks was adapted for the Springmotor machines the brass mandrel became a hollow cylinder with brass ends pressed in. It was a thick wall brass which still carried some weight. The smaller diameter end was indented to allow for the needle bearing guard on the endgate. In 1901 the nickel plated thin walled drawn brass mandrel allowed for a drastic reduction in brass costs and reduced the number of machining operations. The indented end continued for the M and E but the new Triumph line did not require it. For the rest of the Triumph production the drawn brass mandrel continued to serve well. The Home phonograph had the thick walled hollow brass mandrel with end pieces almost from the earliest machines. Only the very lowest serial numbers are occasionally found with a solid mandrel and the indented end. The Home had that thick walled brass mandrel for a long time but wall thickness was reduced as nickel plating was added. The drawn thin brass mandrel was introduced before the 1901 new style cabinet
