Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
This was the 25th annual CAPS show & Sale and even in a very tough economy, they sold more tables, had more early-bird buyers and more overall attendance than the last two years. Jerry is correct that there was a wide selection and some very good prices. It was a buyer's market! It was one of the BEST selections I have seen in recent memory. Machines did not seem to be moving as much as the small items were, which makes sense in this economy in an election year. I saw items for sale that I had never seen in 35 years of collecting. A friend bought a shaving device for Edison cylinder machines that fits where the reproducer goes! In the original box to boot! While some dealers were hurting for sales, others had a better-than-average year. Things go in cycles. Sometimes the biggest benefit from the show is not the sales or buys. We had a team that was filming the show for a future documentary on mechanical music. This would have worldwide distribution and could really give our hobby some great exposure and bring more (and hopefully younger) people into the hobby. The banquet was great. There were over 100 items in the silent auction and Charley Hummel is hard to beat as a speaker. It was great to see (The thought-to-be-lost Columbia multiplex machine) and hear (a 9" long cylinder with a larger diameter than a concert record) something that no one had seen or heard in 100 years! But one of the best things about the show was getting to see people like Jerry who travel from afar. We get tired of seeing all those local collectors :) I hope to see more people at our next show. Come & snap up the bargains! -Scott & Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? I attended CAPS last weekend and wondered what others thought of the show and banquet. Here's my thoughts... I thought the sale was well attended by sellers which provided a very nice selection of machines ranging from entry level to something for the advanced collector. I saw Berliners, Vic VI, Vic C, Rigid Arm MS, lesser Victors, Victor School Models, Edison Opera, Edison Concert, Edison Triumphs, several Homes, Standards, Firesides & Gems, Columbia BII, Grand Piano Graphonola (incomplete), and many other brands and models. There was a large rear mount mahogany Zonophone with a matching mahogany Music Master horn priced at $2200 and I don't think anyone seriously considered it. Buyers, including the dealers, simply did not pull the trigger on many purchases. I saw a Victor School machine with a "sold" sign and believe a Vic III with oak horn sold but very few high end machines sold. I wasn't everywhere at once and I'm sure I missed things but very little left the building. In my immediate area, I know of a Standard and an Amberola 50 which were sold by dealers around me. I sold a 2-min Standard B with a reproduction 14" horn for $280 (1970's prices!) and a very clean oak Victrola IX (with new springs and rebuild reproducer) for $300. I had an all original Vic 1 priced at $725 for the last half of the sale with no serious lookers. On the plus side, the banquet was great. Charlie Hummel, assisted by Mike Khanchalian, talked about the discovery of the only known Multiplex Grand cylinder and partial mechanism. The cylinder was inside its metal tube but broken into several hundred pieces and mixed with broken pieces of other concert cylinders. Mike, the "Record Doctor", has been working on the cylinder for months. We were able to listen to a recording of the first few inches of the giant cylinder and it was nothing less than thrilling. Charlie talked about collecting in general and he is always full of... well, Charlie is simply full of it and the great stories of a long time collector. He even wore a tie! Also on the plus side are the friendly people at CAPS. The club has made a great effort to welcome visiting dealers and buyers. What did you think?? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
My apologies for the error on Po Folks, I wasn't aware we had changed. Francis Marie did a good job and I thought last year's banquet was very well done. True we have the opportunity for improvement by Joey Bell. I thought it was a good idea having people asked their opinion after the banquet, as that is the only way to make improvements. The wine may have been chilled, but we (my table at least) didn't eat until 6 or so, which allowed two hours for the wine to be at room temperature. I usually don't drink wine until dinner time, so that was my failing. The economy was certainly the culprit with buyers this year, as most dealers had items priced at what I considered very reasonable levels. There was certainly a wide variety of machines, records, etc. to choose from. Victor I's were priced from $795 to $900, Victor II from $900-$1050 or so, Victor III at $1100 and up, several Disc Graphophones at various prices, $795 and up. There was a nice Zonophone and a fancy Talkophone, Operas, a bunch of great things. I didn't mean to cast a pall over the show, as I had a great time socially if not business-wise. It is nice to see the people that you only see once a year and yet have the same camaraderie as if you had seen them only yesterday. That's probably the greatest thing about the show, the people! John . --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Bruce wrote: From: Bruce Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 9:57 PM As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always welcome comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, like to enlighten those reading this thread. 1. Attendance This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the show and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the show on the radio 2. Catering We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed until 4:00. 3. Buying and Selling I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. Bruce Peterson, CAPS President -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home "Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like this one. I even have some of those rare one-sided records!". I
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
Bruce, I help put on a local antique show and it is an enormous effort. I agree that* job one* is to fill the hall so to speak. Whatever a show is or may be, growing attendance is your job and selling is the dealers. I hope all have faith however. Buyers are very reserve right now but the fact that so many came is a good sign. Today's tire kicker is many times tomorrows collector. An interesting note about shows. The NAWCC (clock guys) have successively argued in a sales tax state (we have no sales tax where I live) back east that their shows are for members only. They call them regionals and have national shows.That status they argue exempts them from sales tax. Boy could you have fun with early admission. Don't hold your breath. I mention it as a curiosity. oldcranky Mike Stitt On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Bruce wrote: > As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always > welcome > comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, > like > to enlighten those reading this thread. > > 1. Attendance > > This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when > the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher > than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside > waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature > length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article > highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the > article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby > specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to > previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of > flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the > show > and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the > show on the radio > > 2. Catering > > We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks > was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks > and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we > improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for > nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another > caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some > of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement > and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with > Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room > and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine > was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed > until 4:00. > > 3. Buying and Selling > > I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in > people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the > sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you > had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers > were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. > > > Bruce Peterson, CAPS President > > > > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of john robles > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? > > A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the > treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with > several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and > the > other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having > attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel > (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had > good > experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was > lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday > when > the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came > to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window > shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at > home "Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like this one. I even > have some of those rare one-sided records!". > I did find some good things, and there were a decent amount of spare horns, > parts, etc. Todd Boermas had some great machines, horns and parts at good > prices. I got a very unusual Tizit for $45 and stamped "MADE BY J.W. > KREILING, CHICAGO" on it. I got a very nicely made and finished reamer for > $25, and a very nice large Victor brass belled horn for my Monarch, in very > nice condition, for $250. > The banquet program was great, Charley was very entertaining. I could > listen > to him tell stories all night! > The food was not
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
As president of CAPS and the individual organizing the show I always welcome comments that will lead to improvement in what we do. I would, however, like to enlighten those reading this thread. 1. Attendance This year our attendance was up 10% over 2009. On Saturday for setup when the strongest buyers arrive, we had record attendance which was 14% higher than 2009. We had more people come in before 9 and had a line outside waiting for the 9am lower cost entry. We had George Paul write a feature length article for the West Coast Peddler in July which had his article highlighted on the front page with a plug for the show at the end of the article along with a quarter page ad. We advertised in nearly every hobby specific publication. We sent out about 500 direct mail postcards to previous attendees that provided their address. We distributed thousands of flyers. I even called K-Earth radio, who put me on the air plugging the show and offering free attendance to anyone who mentioned they heard about the show on the radio 2. Catering We left Po Folks years ago and used Francis Marie. The food from Po Folks was low quality heart attack food served on paper plates with plastic forks and spoons for which we were paying far too much. With Francis Marie, we improved the quality of the banquet presentation as well at the menu for nearly the same price. Francis Marie retired this year so we needed another caterer. Joey Bell came highly recommended and has catered events for some of the club members. With Francis Marie, we had opportunity for improvement and we exercised them over the first few years. An can do the same with Joey. As far as the price, the banquet, including the food, beverages, room and speaker compensation cost us nearly $50/person. The red and white wine was put in the refrigerator at 1:00 in the afternoon and was not removed until 4:00. 3. Buying and Selling I heard from many dealers that they had poor sales. My job is to bring in people interested in seeing your product and it is your job to close the sale on your product. If you didn't sell your product it may be because you had the wrong product, the price of the product was too high or your buyers were not prepared to let go of their money in this poor economy. Bruce Peterson, CAPS President -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:32 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home "Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like this one. I even have some of those rare one-sided records!". I did find some good things, and there were a decent amount of spare horns, parts, etc. Todd Boermas had some great machines, horns and parts at good prices. I got a very unusual Tizit for $45 and stamped "MADE BY J.W. KREILING, CHICAGO" on it. I got a very nicely made and finished reamer for $25, and a very nice large Victor brass belled horn for my Monarch, in very nice condition, for $250. The banquet program was great, Charley was very entertaining. I could listen to him tell stories all night! The food was not so great. When Po Folks catered the banquet the food was good. This time it was catered by an independent caterer, and while his staff was eager to please, as was he, the prime rib was fatty and gristly, the green beans were undercooked though they had the olive drab look of overcooked green beans, and the rice pilaf was so-so. Bread was served in baskets on the tables, but there were no bread plates. Ice water was not left on the table as in past years; you had to flag down a server. The wine was two-buck Chuck from Trader Joe's, and the white was not chilled. The deserts were fine. After the event I happened to be questioned on my thoughts on the food from committee members. I was honest, and they agreed it wasn't that great. My opinion was that for $35.00 I would rather have a good meat loaf meal than a bad prime rib. There you have it, one collector's opinion. I've seen better shows. But it was clearly the economy that drove it and kept people's money in their pockets. I wil
Re: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
A tempting invitation to share our thoughts...I agree with you, Jerry, the treasures were plentiful but the buyers were sparse. I had people with several machines on boths sides of me and one erson sold one machine and the other sold none at all, and he had some truly great machines. Having attended for over 20 years, beginning when it was held at Griswolds Hotel (remember what a sweatbox that place became by the afternoon?),I've had good experience of the show. I thought the attendance of buyers this year was lower than last year, and there was no swell of business at 9 am Sunday when the doors were opened to those who didn't buy early bird tickets. Many came to my table and admired items, but for the most part they were window shoppers. A lot of people seemed to be price tagging machines they had at home "Oh I have my grandma's Victrola and it's just like this one. I even have some of those rare one-sided records!". I did find some good things, and there were a decent amount of spare horns, parts, etc. Todd Boermas had some great machines, horns and parts at good prices. I got a very unusual Tizit for $45 and stamped "MADE BY J.W. KREILING, CHICAGO" on it. I got a very nicely made and finished reamer for $25, and a very nice large Victor brass belled horn for my Monarch, in very nice condition, for $250. The banquet program was great, Charley was very entertaining. I could listen to him tell stories all night! The food was not so great. When Po Folks catered the banquet the food was good. This time it was catered by an independent caterer, and while his staff was eager to please, as was he, the prime rib was fatty and gristly, the green beans were undercooked though they had the olive drab look of overcooked green beans, and the rice pilaf was so-so. Bread was served in baskets on the tables, but there were no bread plates. Ice water was not left on the table as in past years; you had to flag down a server. The wine was two-buck Chuck from Trader Joe's, and the white was not chilled. The deserts were fine. After the event I happened to be questioned on my thoughts on the food from committee members. I was honest, and they agreed it wasn't that great. My opinion was that for $35.00 I would rather have a good meat loaf meal than a bad prime rib. There you have it, one collector's opinion. I've seen better shows. But it was clearly the economy that drove it and kept people's money in their pockets. I will post pictures later this evening. John Robles --- On Tue, 8/17/10, DeeDee Blais wrote: From: DeeDee Blais Subject: [Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 4:57 PM I attended CAPS last weekend and wondered what others thought of the show and banquet. Here's my thoughts... I thought the sale was well attended by sellers which provided a very nice selection of machines ranging from entry level to something for the advanced collector. I saw Berliners, Vic VI, Vic C, Rigid Arm MS, lesser Victors, Victor School Models, Edison Opera, Edison Concert, Edison Triumphs, several Homes, Standards, Firesides & Gems, Columbia BII, Grand Piano Graphonola (incomplete), and many other brands and models. There was a large rear mount mahogany Zonophone with a matching mahogany Music Master horn priced at $2200 and I don't think anyone seriously considered it. Buyers, including the dealers, simply did not pull the trigger on many purchases. I saw a Victor School machine with a "sold" sign and believe a Vic III with oak horn sold but very few high end machines sold. I wasn't everywhere at once and I'm sure I missed things but very little left the building. In my immediate area, I know of a Standard and an Amberola 50 which were sold by dealers around me. I sold a 2-min Standard B with a reproduction 14" horn for $280 (1970's prices!) and a very clean oak Victrola IX (with new springs and rebuild reproducer) for $300. I had an all original Vic 1 priced at $725 for the last half of the sale with no serious lookers. On the plus side, the banquet was great. Charlie Hummel, assisted by Mike Khanchalian, talked about the discovery of the only known Multiplex Grand cylinder and partial mechanism. The cylinder was inside its metal tube but broken into several hundred pieces and mixed with broken pieces of other concert cylinders. Mike, the "Record Doctor", has been working on the cylinder for months. We were able to listen to a recording of the first few inches of the giant cylinder and it was nothing less than thrilling. Charlie talked about collecting in general and he is always full of... well, Charlie is simply full of it and the great stories of a long time collector. He even wore a tie! Also on the plus side are the friendly people at CAPS. The club has made a great effort to welcome visiting dealers and buyers. What did you think?? Jerry Blais
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Picture Records
Hi guys, I just purchased a Paul Whiteman Victor Picture Disc and I can't discover much information about it. Does anyone know approximately how many of these that were made. I believe that it was pressed in 1932, but that's about the extent of the info that I have been able to uncover. Anyone have any information regarding this particular disc? I have two others, also. One is "Music in the Air" and the other is one with a picture of Noel Coward. Any info would be appreciated. > From: vinyl.visi...@live.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:30:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > > Hi John, > > I sent the seller a message and a link to the "Crapophone" website. He sent > me a message saying he added an amendment to the listing. I checked it and > here it is: > On Aug-17-10 at 07:36:36 PDT, seller added the following information: > > Note: I have received conflicting ideas regarding the authenticity of this > item. It is possible that some parts have been replaced, or that it is a > reproduction. I recommend all buyers to look closely at the pictures. > > He added this, in small print, below the very large description. That being > said, I found a bunch of the same thing with prices ranging from $100-250 for > "Authentic, Antique" Gramophone/Phonograph/Crapophones. This stuff is ruining > eBay... > > Several months ago, I watched two or three listings of needle tins that > included small collections of very rare tins from a seller in Hamburg, > Germany. Each one was snapped up at the last minute by the same bidder. I > finally decided to bid on a new listing of approx. 70 tins, some very rare > along with original advertising. The pictures were slightly hazy, but you > could recognize the rare tins when you enlarged the pics. The bids were quite > low and assuming the same bidder would snipe it at the end, I put in an extra > generous bid, but still within reason for what was represented. I won the > auction and the previous bidder on the other auctions, drove my bid to the > max. When I finally got them, they were cleverly crafted forgeries that I > paid 200 euros for. I wrote the seller and asked him what he thought he was > doing. He admitted that they were fakes, but said he disclosed it in small > print (in German). I went back and looked at all of his previous auctions and > no disclosure, b > ut on this particular one he added an additional word in front of authentic. > Thankfully, I paid with PayPal and after investigating, they paid me back. > Lesson learned... > > Curt > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > From: john9...@pacbell.net > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:32:29 + > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > > > The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Don Henry > > Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 > > To: > > Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > > > > > Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I > > sold at the CAPS show last weekend! > > > > > From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 > > > > > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > > > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > > > > > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this > > > entire digest in your message. > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) > > > 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) > > > 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) > > > 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) > > > 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) > > > 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) > > > 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: john robles > > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > Message-ID: <884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > > > It burned me so much that I h
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
Hi John, I sent the seller a message and a link to the "Crapophone" website. He sent me a message saying he added an amendment to the listing. I checked it and here it is: On Aug-17-10 at 07:36:36 PDT, seller added the following information: Note: I have received conflicting ideas regarding the authenticity of this item. It is possible that some parts have been replaced, or that it is a reproduction. I recommend all buyers to look closely at the pictures. He added this, in small print, below the very large description. That being said, I found a bunch of the same thing with prices ranging from $100-250 for "Authentic, Antique" Gramophone/Phonograph/Crapophones. This stuff is ruining eBay... Several months ago, I watched two or three listings of needle tins that included small collections of very rare tins from a seller in Hamburg, Germany. Each one was snapped up at the last minute by the same bidder. I finally decided to bid on a new listing of approx. 70 tins, some very rare along with original advertising. The pictures were slightly hazy, but you could recognize the rare tins when you enlarged the pics. The bids were quite low and assuming the same bidder would snipe it at the end, I put in an extra generous bid, but still within reason for what was represented. I won the auction and the previous bidder on the other auctions, drove my bid to the max. When I finally got them, they were cleverly crafted forgeries that I paid 200 euros for. I wrote the seller and asked him what he thought he was doing. He admitted that they were fakes, but said he disclosed it in small print (in German). I went back and looked at all of his previous auctions and no disclosure, b ut on this particular one he added an additional word in front of authentic. Thankfully, I paid with PayPal and after investigating, they paid me back. Lesson learned... Curt > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: john9...@pacbell.net > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:32:29 + > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Don Henry > Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 > To: > Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > > Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I > sold at the CAPS show last weekend! > > > From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 > > > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire > > digest in your message. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) > > 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) > > 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) > > 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) > > 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) > > 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) > > 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) > > From: john robles > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: <884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It > > burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. > > Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > > have a bunch of crap. > > Item number:? 250683868557 > > John Robles > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 > > From: ronbr...@aol.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: <8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > > Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents > > just to take it and
[Phono-L] The New Issue of In The Groove
By now most of you (who are MAPS members) should have received the newly designed issue of In The Groove. It's very impressive with lots of great articles. Tim McCormick deserves a lot of credit for putting this issue together. Unfortunately in transitioning to a new editor and a new layout designer, a few things fell through the cracks. Unfortunately one was that all the formatting (Italics and bolds) in my column were removed , making it difficult to read and determine what the titles of things were. I had one or two comments from readers. For those members who got the issue and want to see the column with formatting in a Word Document, just email me at StevenrammATaolDOTcom and I'll be happy to send you the word document. Also, a gremlin crept in for the web site for the "Jazz Greats of New Orleans" DVD and CDs. the website is _www.nobilitystudios.com_ (http://www.nobilitystudios.com) Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What Did You Think Of CAPS?
I attended CAPS last weekend and wondered what others thought of the show and banquet. Here's my thoughts... I thought the sale was well attended by sellers which provided a very nice selection of machines ranging from entry level to something for the advanced collector. I saw Berliners, Vic VI, Vic C, Rigid Arm MS, lesser Victors, Victor School Models, Edison Opera, Edison Concert, Edison Triumphs, several Homes, Standards, Firesides & Gems, Columbia BII, Grand Piano Graphonola (incomplete), and many other brands and models. There was a large rear mount mahogany Zonophone with a matching mahogany Music Master horn priced at $2200 and I don't think anyone seriously considered it. Buyers, including the dealers, simply did not pull the trigger on many purchases. I saw a Victor School machine with a "sold" sign and believe a Vic III with oak horn sold but very few high end machines sold. I wasn't everywhere at once and I'm sure I missed things but very little left the building. In my immediate area, I know of a Standard and an Amberola 50 which were sold by dealers around me. I sold a 2-min Standard B with a reproduction 14" horn for $280 (1970's prices!) and a very clean oak Victrola IX (with new springs and rebuild reproducer) for $300. I had an all original Vic 1 priced at $725 for the last half of the sale with no serious lookers. On the plus side, the banquet was great. Charlie Hummel, assisted by Mike Khanchalian, talked about the discovery of the only known Multiplex Grand cylinder and partial mechanism. The cylinder was inside its metal tube but broken into several hundred pieces and mixed with broken pieces of other concert cylinders. Mike, the "Record Doctor", has been working on the cylinder for months. We were able to listen to a recording of the first few inches of the giant cylinder and it was nothing less than thrilling. Charlie talked about collecting in general and he is always full of... well, Charlie is simply full of it and the great stories of a long time collector. He even wore a tie! Also on the plus side are the friendly people at CAPS. The club has made a great effort to welcome visiting dealers and buyers. What did you think?? Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! > From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire > digest in your message. > > Today's Topics: > >1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) >2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) >3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) >4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) >5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) >6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) >7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: john robles > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because > of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me > so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not > accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 > From: ronbr...@aol.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > Ron > > -Original Message- > From: john robles > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it > came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone > units I've seen though. > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of john robles > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It > burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not > accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > To: "'Antique Phonograph L
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
I agree, worst show ever. It was a buyers market but no one was buying! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Don Henry Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 To: Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! > From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire > digest in your message. > > Today's Topics: > >1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) >2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) >3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) >4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) >5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) >6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) >7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: john robles > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because > of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me > so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not > accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 > From: ronbr...@aol.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > Ron > > -Original Message- > From: john robles > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it > came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone > units I've seen though. > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of john robles > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It > burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not > accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > To: "'Antique Pho
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99
Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I sold at the CAPS show last weekend! > From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire > digest in your message. > > Today's Topics: > >1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) >2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) >3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) >4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) >5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) >6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) >7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: john robles > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because > of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me > so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not > accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 > From: ronbr...@aol.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > Ron > > -Original Message- > From: john robles > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it > came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone > units I've seen though. > > Ron L > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of john robles > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It > burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not > accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > have a bunch of crap. > Item number:? 250683868557 > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > Message-ID: <004801cb3e0b$5c546bf0$60d62...@ad.bu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering > to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the > ho
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
Hey Harvey! Good to see you guys at the radio swap meet on Sunday! ~Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of harvey kravitz Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:16 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud I'd buy the machine for the reproducer. It is an original HMV No. 5 or 5A. It's hard to tell by the photos. Harvey Kravitz From: "bruce78...@comcast.net" To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 6:10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yes great Idea, buy it, take off the horn and sell it to Ron, and then smash that craponola to bits with a sledge hammer!! - Original Message - From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
I'd buy the machine for the reproducer. It is an original HMV No. 5 or 5A. It's hard to tell by the photos. Harvey Kravitz From: "bruce78...@comcast.net" To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 6:10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yes great Idea, buy it, take off the horn and sell it to Ron, and then smash that craponola to bits with a sledge hammer!! - Original Message - From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
Yes great Idea, buy it, take off the horn and sell it to Ron, and then smash that craponola to bits with a sledge hammer!! - Original Message - From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
