Re: [Phono-L] Administrivia
Loren: I tried to unsubscribe from PHono L. but I am still getting emails. please remove me. I do however want to continue with Otaps which you are providing hosting. Thank you. I use 2 email addresses. My primary is cen...@comcast.net Thanks and see you soon. On 8/29/11, Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: FYI, I've tweaked spam filtering on the Phono-L server this weekend. If you think you're having problems posting to the list, please let me know at lthughes at gmail dot com. Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] auctioning phonos
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Mazur phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: 8ce08aa190a57a0-1a6c-50...@webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good point Al about ebay. Auction houses could make up to 45% on items ( 30% plus 15%) that make under $1000 There was an auction house near while I live (now defunct) where they would keep 50% commission on items you consign that total under $100. On top of the 50% the auction house also charged a 10% buyers premium. So the auction house makes more more on the item than the consignor does. Even though ebay has increased its fees they are still a viable alernative when selling items especially items that a easy to ship. -Original Message- From: Albert Menashe almena...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees the auctions that I attend locally, charge the buyer 15%, the sales ommission are negotiable based on the type merchandise, and the potential mounts realized. On smaller items (-1000) it is usually 30%. But it is otally negotiable. A whole collection valued at 500k may go for as little s 10% We know what the exhorbitant ebay fees are, but at least the buyer oesnt have to pay a commission. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Richard Mazur phonofo...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ger: Most auctions take about a 25 - 30% commission rate; however it also depends on how many phonongraphs you are planning to sell at the auction house. If you decide to sell just 1 or 10 the higher the commission rate. If you sell your whole collection like 50 or more then the commisson rate should be lower. I heard with some lucrative estates the rate may be as low as 20% or possibly lower. Rick -Original Message- From: ger55 ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ger55 ge...@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 6:52 pm Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees What is considered fair price for an auction house to take for auctioning honographs and related? 've asked this question twice but it never comes up on the daily digest. Thanks Ger __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 17:56:12 -0400 From: b...@taney.com b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath Message-ID: 98c71778-357d-42ae-b143-85b9d9cdf...@taney.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's the history of innovation, no one EVER invents something in a vacuum, it is all based on someone else's work. Altair and many others tried to come up with computers that were functional personal computers, the Apple ][ was the first practical home computer system, thus Altair is forgotten and Apple is the largest technology company in the world. Same as the OTTO-cycle engine, many other engines were attempted but It was the first practical gas engine and thus Nikolas Otto gets the credit because his system worked. Bill -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Jul 4, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: However, his filament had low resistance, thus needing heavy copper wires to supply it. Jim, You are an electrical engineer, how much copper would have been necessary to provide a working low resistance lighting system for all of England? My understanding is that to employ a low resistance series method of electrical distribution would have used a tremendous amount of copper therefore the Swan system could not have been used. If a system cannot be used even if it works in a laboratory what good is it except for a curiosity? Steve Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:29:26 -0400 From: bi...@ftldesign.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath On 7/3/2011 8:38 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: I strongly disagree. Yes, Google will tell you that many others worked on the light bulb. But those stories all conclude that none of them were practical. Edison's contribution was not only that he invented the power plant, but more importantly, he invented the first practical incandescent bulb. The British would disagree: In 1850 Swan began working on a light bulb using carbonized paper filaments in an evacuated glass bulb. By 1860 he was able to demonstrate a working device, and obtained a British patent covering a partial vacuum, carbon filament incandescent lamp. However
Re: [Phono-L] Beware of this seller on Ebay
Harvey, you screwed up. Why would you dicker over $5.00. You should use the buy it now, on something your really want. Now you are going to stew over not getting the item forever. If you had paid $5.00 too much the ejoyment of the item will make you forget what you paid almost immediatly. See you at Expo over the weekend. Al On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 4:11 PM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: I don't know if this is appropriate, but I will post it anyway. I have a Language phone disc machine made by Columbia. I was looking on ebay and found #260383447532. It was a set of books for a Language phone in Spanish dated 1917. I thought this would be a welcome addition to my Language phone machine. The seller's name is blue.moonbooks.and.antiques. I asked the usual questions before I bid. It was a buy it now for $24.95 or obo.. I put in a offer of $20.00 and got a notice that the price jumped up to $55.00 and my offer was declined. I contacted the seller and asked what was going on about the sudden change in price. She told me that she is a business woman and found out before I put in my offer, she reappraised the the value of the books. Needless to say I was pretty pissed off and let her know how angry I was. I haven't heard back from her and I doubt if I ever will. I know I will get a lot of flak saying that it's still her item and she can do what ever they want with it. I guess i'm trying to say,a person's word is thier most valuable asset. To me it is worth more than all the phonographs and riches in the world. The lesson I learned from this is phonographs are only a hobby, it's not worth getting mad at, and to move on. Also, I know to stay away from this seller. Thank you all for hearing me out. Before I forget, I checked the listing again and it was pulled. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] cylinder speed tester
With those Damn Curly Cue light bulbs, strobes dont work any more. On 7/6/11, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: I guess my old age is showing through. Do you have lines on the back rod? Stroboscopes are out there. Given that many early cylinders were recorded at various speeds it may be a moot point on all but later records. I do it by ear but I have a tin ear and am always happy. Was there a strobe in the back of Eric Reiss' book on phonograph repair? Mike Oldcranky On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Norman Bruderhofer phonol...@cylinder.dewrote: Hi Mike, You are certainly thinking of a laser techometer. These have become so cheap, that I can recommend to anyone as a useful tool. I bought my first one about five years ago for approx. $100, now they're down to as low as $12. I have one of these cheapos too. It has the same precision as my expensive one. You may want to consider this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/**150600097532http://cgi.ebay.com/150600097532 And you don't need a special reflective tape, plain white paper will also work fine. Works also great with disc machines and modern turntables. Best, Norman On 06.07.2011 08:00, mdsor...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, Sometime about a year ago, there was discussion on phono-l about a way to test cylinder speed using an electronic instrument that could be cheaply found on ebay. Anyone remember what this was? I meant to buy one at the time, but lost all of the information. Any help is appreciated! Mike Sorter __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Sent from my Thunderbird OpenSource Mail Client __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] auction fees
the auctions that I attend locally, charge the buyer 15%, the sales commission are negotiable based on the type merchandise, and the potential amounts realized. On smaller items (-1000) it is usually 30%. But it is totally negotiable. A whole collection valued at 500k may go for as little as 10% We know what the exhorbitant ebay fees are, but at least the buyer doesnt have to pay a commission. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Richard Mazur phonofo...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ger: Most auctions take about a 25 - 30% commission rate; however it also depends on how many phonongraphs you are planning to sell at the auction house. If you decide to sell just 1 or 10 the higher the commission rate. If you sell your whole collection like 50 or more then the commisson rate should be lower. I heard with some lucrative estates the rate may be as low as 20% or possibly lower. Rick -Original Message- From: ger55 ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ger55 ge...@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 6:52 pm Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees What is considered fair price for an auction house to take for auctioning honographs and related? 've asked this question twice but it never comes up on the daily digest. Thanks Ger __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Why did this go so high
How much would a nice working Eclipse sell in this market? Thanks Al On 6/20/11, richard_ru...@hotmail.com richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote: I'd say he got a major windfall anyway. How much do you think he paid for it to begin with? The starting price was $9.99; I bet he would have made money even if it had sold for that. I'm sure he was deliriously happy with the outcome. I doubt any picker -- or anyone without a great deal of specific expertise -- could have found out much more about it than he already knew when he posted the thing. Certainly it would have taken much more than just basic research. Besides, a number of bidders obviously knew what it was, or else it wouldn't have fetched even $100. In a free-market economy, things are, by definition, worth the highest price they can command. So, in fact, this motor is worth $3,750, not $15,000. If it were worth $15,000, someone would have paid that much for it. There is no shortage of phonographic expertise (or expertise of any kind) out in Ebay-land. Lots of people saw this and knew exactly what it was. The highest any of them was willing to go was $3,750. Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:04:01 -0500 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why did this go so high This is what happens when these pickers fail to do even any basic research. They miss out on a major windfall. I have a very early business machine sitting over here with one of those type motors in it. On 06/20/2011 06:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: I bet you could have knocked the seller over with a feather, after the final bidding !! He obviously would be even more in shock, if he knew what the ultimate potential value of his little hunk of worthless iron and strange looking parts actually is. - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:46:07 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why did this go so high This is the works from an Edison Eclipse coin op. The motor is the *correct*bipolar motor and not one of the Econowatt Business Phonograph swap ins that are the norm. All you need to do with this one is drop it into the correct cabinet with coin drop box and trip. The extra hole in front of the straight edge is for the coin trip rod. For a purist, this original unmodified Eclipse mechanism is better than solid Platinum. I actually think it went rather low since the listing did not call it a phonograph or state what it really was. An Edison Record Player is hardly enough to describe how really rare that machine was. If I had a spare Eclipse cabinet missing the phonograph mechanism I would have bid upward of $15,000. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black PattiRecord
I also had a good experience with Richard Tussey. I was able to purchase a vast collection of 78s from an estate. It was in my early days of collecting and I really didnt want to be a record collector so I put the word out and he called me. I went to his home and it was floor to ceiling records a real compulsive disorder type. No room for household goods. I dont think he even had heat. With the purchase of my collection he surely had the largest 78 rpm collection I have ever seen. but most of the records were juked to death. He paid me mostly cash but the rest in rare records. Mostly Black swans and needle cut electrics. He had them all. I did trade him for some Black Blues music. I always wondered what happened to him. His eyesight was so bad he could not drive so he rode a bicycle. I wish him well. Al Menashe in Portland. - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black PattiRecord I dealt with this seller some time ago. His name is Frederick Tussey. Perhaps the Richard comes from the fact that his full name is Frederick R. Tussey - or it's just a coincidence on the last name. But the coincidence of the poor eyesight statement from Mike would lead me to believe it's the same person. Anyway, in my dealings with him 4 years ago it was pleasant as we traded some things after I made a purchase. I've been told he's legally blind so grading is somewhat of a mystery and perhaps why he chooses the route he does now. Not defending it, just making a statement. I find it difficult to buy something ungraded. Interestingly, at the time he was saying he had plans to do a book on record sleeves and that's what he traded for. This guy has generated a lot of banter on 78-l as well. Who knows what's lead him to his current state - perhaps fallen on hard times - but it's his choice to try and sell records at high prices. Some will bite, many won't. It would be in his best interest, though, if he worked to keep his customers happy. The seller that called the record a repro is a knowledgeable collector. Too bad he didn't work it out with his customer. Glenn From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 10:16:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record Good morning again all, Found the last name. It is The Record Ranger. Richard Tussey. It 's public. I knew he was near St. Louis. This is odd as Richard knows what these are worth. He has very poor eye sight so one not prone to fishing. I split a label collection with him years ago. Other than a few very hard to get labels he has, I have them too. I would sell them all for the price of just one of those records. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: Good moring all. Al I'm waking up and drinking coffee; so I don't see a last name. A Portland collector did move to Missouri some years back. The Record Ranger. I'll leave his last name out of it but this doesn't seem his style. Lived off of MLK Blvd. You could hardly walk around in the old house, straining to stay up right under the load. Al missed you at Salem. Would have liked to see yo. Next time. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Albert cen...@comcast.net wrote: Very strange, he has tons of feedback and every record sold for exactly the same amount, $24.99. Portland Collectors, notice this guys last name. Several years back there was an obsessive record collector here in Portland, entire home, floor to ceiling 78's, Same last name! - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record Yes and here is another absolute bargain on an early Improved Gramophone Record, by the same seller. There are loads of bargains like this offered by this World Renown Collector of Museum Quality Records.!! Scanning through his listings is loads of cheap fun !! http://cgi.ebay.com/78-RPM-MUSEUM-QUALITY-1901-IMPROVED-GRAMOPHONE-NO-GRADE-/390307006718?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5ae01c48fe e - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:06:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390314782882ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_531wt_905 5 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record
Very strange, he has tons of feedback and every record sold for exactly the same amount, $24.99. Portland Collectors, notice this guys last name. Several years back there was an obsessive record collector here in Portland, entire home, floor to ceiling 78's, Same last name! - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record Yes and here is another absolute bargain on an early Improved Gramophone Record, by the same seller. There are loads of bargains like this offered by this World Renown Collector of Museum Quality Records.!! Scanning through his listings is loads of cheap fun !! http://cgi.ebay.com/78-RPM-MUSEUM-QUALITY-1901-IMPROVED-GRAMOPHONE-NO-GRADE-/390307006718?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5ae01c48fe - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:06:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390314782882ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_531wt_905 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BZ Crank
Harvey: You are probably right, but I have not been able to find one on Ebay. Do you have an extra? - Original Message - From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BZ Crank Hi Al, I believe that the Columbia BZ is a small mahogany stained machine with chamfered corners. If so, the it uses the same crank like you see on a Standard Model A, Aretino, etc. It has a black painted wood knob instead of an oak one. You can find them on ebay. Good luck, Harvey Kravitz From: Albert cen...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 11:05:57 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BZ Crank Phonolisters: I need the correct crank for a Columbia BZ. Can anyone accomidate me? Thanks, Al Menashe in Portland. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BZ Crank
Phonolisters: I need the correct crank for a Columbia BZ. Can anyone accomidate me? Thanks, Al Menashe in Portland. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
Are tungstone needles being reproduced today for commercial sale? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:34 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles? I believe Victor also mentions using the lead out groove for shaping the tip of the Tungstone. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Greg Bogantz Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:06 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles? Hi Chris, Yes, that's right. There was no shaping of the end of the wire on Victor Tungstones. I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS Tungstones that I have. The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end shape. Victor advised playing a junk record first to shape the end of the wire before using a new needle to play good records. Likewise, Victor advised reshaping the needle by playing a junk record if the user ever removed the needle and then remounted it in the reproducer. The wire wears into the shape of the groove in just a minute or so of play, so the initial shape of it is irrelevant. I failed to comment earlier specifically on the claim that osmium and other hard needles could be removed and remounted without a problem. This is NOT correct, for the same reason that Victor advised reshaping their tungsten needles if they were remounted. The needle tip wears into the V shape of the groove fairly quickly, depending on the hardness of the needle. Remounting the needle with exactly the same orientation as when it was removed is almost impossible. After remounting, there is a very high probability that the misoriented needle will severely gouge the record for a while until it is reformed to fit the groove, the moreso with the harder needles. This is not so much of a problem with the tungsten wire needles as they can be reformed in only about a minute of play with a junk record. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles? Thank you, Greg! Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped lengths of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before being used to play a record? Chris Greg Bogantz wrote: Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style. They were the cheapest permanent needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the '50s. The more expensive varieties of permanent needles were sapphire or ruby and the most expensive were diamond. People were using record changers and didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all the time, so these styles became popular. The problem with all of these needles in that time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a force for any of them to be optimal with regard to record wear. The magnetic and crystal pickups of that period typically tracked at between 30 and 80 grams. Although that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the earlier acoustic reproducer period, it's still just too high for any of these hard needles. They were especially deadly when used with the early vinyl 78s that were beginning to appear after WWII. The proper technology for high tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle when used with shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were intended to quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove shape. But, of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every record side or two. Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle. The osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross section. This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit into the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. Then the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land of the record. This lifts the needle out of close contact with the groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record wear. These hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't wear down quickly, and instead wear the records. These needles that were typical in this time period are the main reason that records that have survived from the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted and worn than records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that were played properly with steel or tungsten wire needles. The use of these hard needles only became proper when pickup tracking forces were reduced to
[Phono-L] Victor One for sale
I have a very nice untouched Victor I for sale. Original Brass bell horn. $950.00 Offering it to Phono L before listing . If interested contact Al Menashe cen...@comcast.net. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii
Jay, what is the name of the websight? - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource for pricing, dating, or just about anything involving a Victor product. Jay -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim K Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? Jim www.phono-phixer.com www.wimaps.org - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. What's the value range for these nowadays? Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com wrote: BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of what the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300383123497ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan solved the mystery of what it is. The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper Collectibles book. The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is an insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to inform buyers of what the item actually is. Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando and a great time with phono friends. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/07/10 11:35:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Entombed Victrola
This stuff happens. I had a Mills Violano Virtuoso in my family room and we did a total remodel. at the time we didnt think about it, but 5 years later when we sold the Violano we had to remove an outside wall and window frame to get it out of the house. It cost us alot. AL - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Entombed Victrola Good idea. That'll take less time. [Original Message] From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 8/19/2009 5:14:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Entombed Victrola I dunno, Doug... I think they should lay a couple of bomb blankets over the Victrola and wire the doorframe in question with a pound of C-4. heh, r. - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net I'm sure that the obstacle is the place's owner. Dismantling a Victrola cabinet would do a lot of damage to it. Pulling a door casing would not do anywhere near the damage, because it's nailed together, and in place. If the critical dimension of the door casing , is the molding where the door closes, maybe they guy could be sweet-talked into just pulling the molding, and replacing it. That could be done and never be noticed. D'ya suppose he might consent to cutting a hole in the floor, and lifting the Vic into the house, then out the front door? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question
Has anyone made a quality reproduction of the Orthophonic Reproducer? AL - Original Message - From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question Till you see them side by side it might be tough. The brass always have a steel needle bar body painted black where as the potmetal is all cast as one piece. also the number of tear drop holes differ and the design where the needle bar comes though is different between the 2. The back side of the potmetal versions have raised lettering while the brass version have imprinted lettering. If looking to buy be careful of brass versions with potmetal screw in rings. These are almost always stuck tight and can only be disassembled by grinding out the ring. You then have to hunt for another. George - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question I am looking for information on how to tell a Brass Victor Orthophonic reproducer from one that is made of pot metal. I have heard a few things from other collectors, but am still not clear how the distinction and be made when looking at one. Is there a for sure tell tale sign on them? Thanks Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Phonographs and the economy
Ray, I think there is a downturn in all collectibles. I just saw a Victrola 12 on ebay sell for $499. and it went to the only one bidder. Eight years ago there were two at Union and they both sold for $1200. I knew one buyer and he was thrilled to get it. I also saw a BY with the correct matching serpentine cabinet, no bidders at $7500. I remember that the same set sold at the Cecil Dancer auction for $12,000. That must have been 5 years ago. Even Operas that were 7500. to 8000. are now selling on ebay for 6k. Thats just my observation, but I have reavaluated my collection down 30% as I will need to project for my retirement. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Raymond Wilenzick wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Phonographs and the economy A friend asked me if this is a good time to sell his phonographs, or should he wait for better times? So, how has this economic disaster we are in affected our hobby? Common machines are selling for less than they did 20 years ago. Better ones are holding some value, but even they are down from a few years ago. Are the truly rare phonos, that usually trade privately between collectors, still selling to collectors with deep pockets? Is the hobby declining in interest from new collectors? Are phonos selling at the shows? Any comments along these lines would be interesting to hear. Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz)
I also have a A-1, and I play it often, (first rococo grill) but I never could figure out why they put the extra shut off lever on the front left of the bedplate. The lever to lower the reproducer turns the machine on and when you lift it the machine shuts off, so why the extra shut off? kind of redundant, and I never have used it. Also If you are going to play wax amberols I think the model L tracks them better than the M. Al. - Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) Greg is correct on his points about the IA. I've had mine for almost 20 years and it has followed me around England, then to Boston with a couple moves in town, then to Chicago with a couple of moves. Of the 50 or so machines I own or have owned,(not to mention the 1,000s I've handled professionally) it is by far my favourite. If I could only keep one it would be the one. Yes, wax Amberols may sound better on a III and Blue Amberols better on an Opera, but only the IA plays all three as well as non-Edison celluloids. And you get storage for your 100 fave cylinders. And given a choice, the Lyre grille is the best. Long live the Amberola IA!!! Best to all, George - Original Message - From: Greg Bogantz gbogantz1 at charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) Bruce, the only reason that I discount the 1A from being the best cylinder player is because of its inferior motor. The straight-cut spur gears of the 1A are decidedly noisier than the Opera motor of the 1B and the III. When I first got my 1A, it sounded like and electric drill whenever I ran it. The noise comes mostly from the high speed governor gears, and the only fix for it is to replace these gears with nearly perfect new ones. Try to find those anywhere! I got lucky and swapped a fellow collector some items for a set of nearly new gears which quieted my 1A down to the point where it is enjoyable, but still not as quiet as my 1B. The other big problem with the 1A is that it doesn't have the mechanical flutter filter and flywheel that Edison added to some of his later motors such as the Opera, Amberola V, and all the late amberolas. The lack of a sufficient flywheel coupled with the belt drive of the 1A virtually ensures that you'll get flutter and wow that is just an essential aspect of this design. Acoustically, the 1A is the same as the 1B, but the motor spoils the total experience a little. However, since the 1A motor is no worse than any found on any other 2 minute cylinder machine, the superior horn of the 1A makes it the best overall 2 minute machine in my estimation. AND it has the added benefit that you can play 2 minute celluloid records with the Diamond A reproducer which is truly the best 2 minute experience that you can get in a commercially made machine. I like my 1A just fine, but I prefer to hear 4 minute celluloids on my 1B or my III. I don't include the Opera among the very best sounding machines because I haven't heard ANY commercially made outside horns on cylinder machines that are the sonic equal to the horns in the Amberola 1s and III. I mentioned on the OTV board that I have a mechanical engineer friend who decided to make his own large genuine cygnet shaped exponential outside horn. He has fitted it to an Amberola 50 motor which he has put into a custom tabletop cabinet. The horn is suspended over the carriage by a clever, original design double crane pantographic system that works much better than any original design. He calls his machine the Ediphonic and has even put an Edison-style logo on it with that name. The reproducer is a modified Diamond B which has a custom diaphragm in it similar to the ones that I make. The entire project is very well-done, tidy, and authentic looking. I can tell you with first-ear assurance that this is the BEST sounding acoustic 4 minute cylinder player I have EVER heard. The exponential horn works wonderfully well with the Diamond B, and the results from playing the early directly recorded BA records (not the dubs) is some of the best sounding acoustic reproduction you will ever hear. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) Greg, I'd be interested to know more about why an Amberola 1A would not sound equally as good as the 1B for 4 min wax or blue amberols assuming the correct reproducer is used, (the M for 4 min wax and the diamond A for blue amberols)? Thanks, Bruce Bruce Johnson
[Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE
Brice, I agree. Two years ago I bought an extremely nice BC from the Oliphants at Union. It came from the Jim Kenealy collection. It had the original large green flowered horn with floor crane. I paid $1200. so I think $1400. to $2000. is probably right. I have no Idea how much it will cost to restore those very complicated reproducers, or even who know how to do them right. Al - Original Message - From: brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE Loran Please post the following: I have recently come into possession to sell for another a Columbia BC. I have never owned one and do not know much about them. This machine appears to be all original , and seems to play very well which I believe is a big plus for these machines. It comes with an aluminum 14 horn that has been nicely modified by someone to fit the reproducer. The condition is not perfect and is certainly restorable if you wanted to do so, but personally, I would probably leave it as is since it is very presentable. I am not up on the market for this machine, but I believe from what I have seen in the past that his asking price is reasonable at $1400. He believes it is worth around $2000 and really wants to put it on ebay, but I convinced him to let me offer it to the list in hopes of a quick sale. I doubt that he will take less, but I will present any offers. If you want additional information or want to purchase this machine please contact me off list @ antqflea at yahoo.comor call 530 945 2221 Thanks brice ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM
[Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values
at those prices. Mike On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Albert cenfin at comcast.net wrote: for sure, I got bit by the bug and bought up as many as I could trying to complete the collection and I almost did, but have probably lost about half of my investment. I am missing the Transformer and Queen for a Day. I have to assume those are still worth a lot. Al - Original Message - From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values Thanks for your interesting comment on the Vogues. I agree with you on the reason for the drop in value of the Wurlitzer 1015, but I am not so sure the same argument applies to the Vogues. The 1015's were bought and sold as entertainment devices, and the bars, etc. that bought them for 45s and CDs could care less if they were original or reproduction machines. On the other hand, vogues were generally not bought for their music content, but rather as vintage collectibles. Prior to eBay, collectors considered them to be scarce items, and most record collectors, I would think, would have little interest in the reproductions. Once eBay demonstrated to the hobby that they were rather plentiful, the prices started to drop to the current low values. I don't know how well the reproduction Vogues are doing these days, but I don't see them advertised very much (although I don't look for them). Whatever the reason for the price decline, Vogues don't look like good investments these days :) Ray - Original Message - From: Albert cenfin at comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values Ray, I think Ebay actually raised the value of vogues and there was a lot of activity for a long time on ebay. Many hit the market and it was not unusual to see them go for more than $100. But the prices started dropping quickly when a lot of reproduction Vogues hit the market. The repros looked pretty good and they were copies of some of the more desireable numbers. I compare that to the Wurlitzer 1015 where originals used to sell for $12,000. With the huge number of reproduction 1015s that played 45's and CD;s the value of originals dropped to $5000 to 6000. I may be wrong but I dont think it was Ebay so much as the proliferation of reproductions. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net To: phonolist at yahoogroups.com; Phono-L at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values Around 10 to 15 years ago, most Vogues (except the rare 8 or 9 ones) sold in the neighborhood of $100 or so. With the advent of eBay, their value has dropped significantly. It seems that most go for $20-$30 or less these days. Value guides were available at one time, but now are worthless. Are there any Vogue collectors on the list that would have a spreadsheet or other information on current values of these picture records? Is there a factor, such as 1/4 or 1/3 that could be applied to the old values that would approximate the current value? Thanks for any information.. Ray Wilenzick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values
Ray, I think Ebay actually raised the value of vogues and there was a lot of activity for a long time on ebay. Many hit the market and it was not unusual to see them go for more than $100. But the prices started dropping quickly when a lot of reproduction Vogues hit the market. The repros looked pretty good and they were copies of some of the more desireable numbers. I compare that to the Wurlitzer 1015 where originals used to sell for $12,000. With the huge number of reproduction 1015s that played 45's and CD;s the value of originals dropped to $5000 to 6000. I may be wrong but I dont think it was Ebay so much as the proliferation of reproductions. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: phonolist at yahoogroups.com; Phono-L at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values Around 10 to 15 years ago, most Vogues (except the rare 8 or 9 ones) sold in the neighborhood of $100 or so. With the advent of eBay, their value has dropped significantly. It seems that most go for $20-$30 or less these days. Value guides were available at one time, but now are worthless. Are there any Vogue collectors on the list that would have a spreadsheet or other information on current values of these picture records? Is there a factor, such as 1/4 or 1/3 that could be applied to the old values that would approximate the current value? Thanks for any information.. Ray Wilenzick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM
[Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values
for sure, I got bit by the bug and bought up as many as I could trying to complete the collection and I almost did, but have probably lost about half of my investment. I am missing the Transformer and Queen for a Day. I have to assume those are still worth a lot. Al - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values Thanks for your interesting comment on the Vogues. I agree with you on the reason for the drop in value of the Wurlitzer 1015, but I am not so sure the same argument applies to the Vogues. The 1015's were bought and sold as entertainment devices, and the bars, etc. that bought them for 45s and CDs could care less if they were original or reproduction machines. On the other hand, vogues were generally not bought for their music content, but rather as vintage collectibles. Prior to eBay, collectors considered them to be scarce items, and most record collectors, I would think, would have little interest in the reproductions. Once eBay demonstrated to the hobby that they were rather plentiful, the prices started to drop to the current low values. I don't know how well the reproduction Vogues are doing these days, but I don't see them advertised very much (although I don't look for them). Whatever the reason for the price decline, Vogues don't look like good investments these days :) Ray - Original Message - From: Albert cenfin at comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values Ray, I think Ebay actually raised the value of vogues and there was a lot of activity for a long time on ebay. Many hit the market and it was not unusual to see them go for more than $100. But the prices started dropping quickly when a lot of reproduction Vogues hit the market. The repros looked pretty good and they were copies of some of the more desireable numbers. I compare that to the Wurlitzer 1015 where originals used to sell for $12,000. With the huge number of reproduction 1015s that played 45's and CD;s the value of originals dropped to $5000 to 6000. I may be wrong but I dont think it was Ebay so much as the proliferation of reproductions. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net To: phonolist at yahoogroups.com; Phono-L at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Vogue Picture Records values Around 10 to 15 years ago, most Vogues (except the rare 8 or 9 ones) sold in the neighborhood of $100 or so. With the advent of eBay, their value has dropped significantly. It seems that most go for $20-$30 or less these days. Value guides were available at one time, but now are worthless. Are there any Vogue collectors on the list that would have a spreadsheet or other information on current values of these picture records? Is there a factor, such as 1/4 or 1/3 that could be applied to the old values that would approximate the current value? Thanks for any information.. Ray Wilenzick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Concert Records
I enjoy playing my concert Phonograph. The original Edisons are getting too valuable to play and the Columbias have a lot of mold.The new Wizzard Concert Grand records are just great. They are idistructible, fit the mandrel perfect and sound great. To be critical, I wish that they were brown instead of black. I dont know if Peter Dilg is still making them. I bought several in 2004 at the show at Union. The Paul Morris Phoenix brand Concert Cylinders Sound really good as well, as they are soft brown wax there is no surface noise. However I forgot and left one on the machine It got pretty hot and I turned the air cond. on and the record self destructed when it cooled off. The best thing about the Phoenix cylinders is the smell. They remind me of the Crayolas we had in the early 1950s they smelled really good. - Original Message - From: Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Concert Records SAs far as I know P.M. is the only maker of wax concert records. I though think he sells blank concerts too. I only make standard and napkin ring cylinders and blanks. I wish I had concert moulds for blanks, but do not as yet. I think Wizard has new concerts made of the new hard material. I do not have a concert Phonograph, anyhow to record on. _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM
[Phono-L] Edison DD record #370058046814
My dad was an attorney for the VA . The govt. had hundreds of these Edison dictaphone machines in the early 60s. I had fun recording stuff on them when I went to visit his office.The fidelity was really poor and they were at 16 rpm so you couldnt listen to them on a phonograph. AL - Original Message - From: George victr...@triton.net To: Phono-L phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison DD record #370058046814 I do not recall ever seeing one of these. What are they? Thank you, George http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=370058046814ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D370058046814%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union
Why would anyone buy a machine for 31,100 and turn around and offer it for $32.000. The financial risk is huge for such a small return. An Idelia is a highly speculative investment at that level, with only appeal to a small elite segment of the hobby. I wouldnt invest $32k in anything that would would only yield a $900. return. Am I missing something? or is the desire to possess even for a short while determine behavior? Al Menashe - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union For what it's worth, the eBay listing showed that the Donley's sold their Idelia for $31,100 (not $31,500) to Phonogalerie in Paris. It was a model D2 with O reproducer and outstanding 12 panel MG horn with wood grain finish. Interesting that the Oliphants were selling the same machine at Union for 32K. The D2 was available in the UK with the MG horn, while in the US it was sold with the mahogany cygnet. Here is an interesting question: How much less, or more, would the Union machine be selling for if it had the cygnet rather than the MG, or would the values be about the same in either configuration? Ray - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywander at hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union Hi Erich, My understanding from what I heard at Union is that it is indeed the same machine that the Donley's sold. John Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:17:15 -0400 From: evong at vanausdall.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union No, the Donley's sold a while ago and I don't know if the Oliphants sold their machine. Eric -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John Maeder Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:11 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union It is the same machine. John Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:25:44 -0400 From: evong at vanausdall.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union I read an email stating the Donley's Idelia sold for 31.5K and the Oliphants were asking $32K at Union for there machine. -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of wilenzick at bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:55 PM To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union Can someone provide details on the Edison Idelia that I understand was for sale at Union? Thanks. Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Commercial - Record Auction #123 is now available
Hi Tom: Its been awhile, hope you are well. Please send me an electronic copy of the new auction catalogue. Thanks much, Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Hawthorn's Antique Audio hawth...@thoseoldrecords.com To: Maillist Phono-L phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial - Record Auction #123 is now available Hi Everyone, Auction 123 - Good Old Summertime is now available. If you're on our regular postal or email list, you should have your copy in a couple of days. If not, and you would like either a free printed or electronic copy, just email me directly off list and let me know which you would prefer. Don't forget to include the proper address! You can also visit my website (address below) and turn to the What's New page for a Picture Gallery of some of the more interesting records. Here are some of the highlights of this auction: * Five Inch Concert cylinders * Brown wax cylinders * Blue Amberol operatic cylinders * Many early and unusual single face labels * Vintage popular vocals, minstrel and comedy * A section of 12 inch odds and ends * Reference books and biographies * Original and reprinted literature * Vintage popular and jazz sheet music * Reproducers, needle tins and accessories * Many Jazz and Blues rarities from the Elwood collection * Hundreds of regular jazz and blues 78s * A few more jazz 10 inch LPs * Jazz books and discographies * Dance bands from the 1910s to the 1930s * Both pre-war and post-war blues * Pre-war country and hillbilly records * RB, Rock and Pop 50's music * A small collection of RB autographs * Concert Bands and special Dance Band arrangements * Instrumental solos and piano novelties * Ragtime piano classics and songs * World War One and Two records and music *The Classical Curiosities section, with some early GT discs * A long run of Victor Grand Prize Red Seal 12 inch issues * Early operatic and instrumental complete sets * Classical books and biographies * Popular and classical Edison Diamond Discs * A selection of 2 and 4 minute cylinders, including some operatic titles Special for List Members! If you have not participated in any of our auctions previously, be sure to request the New Bidder Discount Coupon and you can save 10% on all your winnings from this auction. First time bidders only, please. Thanks! Tom Hawthorn Hawthorn's Antique Audio www.thoseoldrecords.com hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM
[Phono-L] Craigslist Prank
This story made national news. I sure hope Craigs list will cooperate with authorities and track down the perpetrator and prosecute to the full extent of the law. (that is a dream, of course) The truth is even if they find out who did it, they will get a slap on the wrist and never serve any time. - Original Message - From: keeper...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Prank In a message dated 3/23/2008 2:52:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: This doesn't have anything to do with phonographs, but is a Craigslist horror story in my neck of the woods. OMG! Someone must have had it in for this poor fella. This is the second Craigslist phony potlatch I've seen now. The other one was a couple of years ago. There's no end to the ingenuity of creepy people, is there? Now, I'll play a nice old record on the Victrola so I can forget this horrible story. ; ) Edward **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing
It is interesting that he asks for a buy it now of $1500. shipping included, yet he did not list a buy it now on ebay. That would mean you would not have any fraud protection if you transacted off ebay. Certainly a BY with a wood horn should go for substantially more than $1500, but who knows. The market is really bad. I recently. sold two nice Vic 5s for 1200. each and I tried for a year to sell them, with no offers. - Original Message - From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing Please check out Ebay listing number 110236619614. This phonograph was recently listed by a dealer friend I know from Iowa. It is now listed by another seller with the same exact photos and description. Buyer/bidder beware ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing
So the seller might not know anything until some buyer wants to know where his merchandise is that he paid for. I used to hate the ebay email system, but now I see the value of communication with sellers only through ebay.. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing The scammer WASN'T the seller. The seller was legit, but his account got hacked by the scammer. - Original Message - From: Albert cen...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing How would a scammer get so many positive feedbacks? They look legitimate. - Original Message - From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing I talked with the dealer that originally sold the BY a short time ago on Ebay. It is definitely a highjacked listing. Ken -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:33 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing It is interesting that he asks for a buy it now of $1500. shipping included, yet he did not list a buy it now on ebay. That would mean you would not have any fraud protection if you transacted off ebay. Certainly a BY with a wood horn should go for substantially more than $1500, but who knows. The market is really bad. I recently. sold two nice Vic 5s for 1200. each and I tried for a year to sell them, with no offers. - Original Message - From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing Please check out Ebay listing number 110236619614. This phonograph was recently listed by a dealer friend I know from Iowa. It is now listed by another seller with the same exact photos and description. Buyer/bidder beware ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Salem Oregon Phono Sale
Not to rain on the Parade, I thought the new venue was bad. Not conducive to sales, especially since the regular dealers were in a totally different room up front. There were more vendors than customers. Even at opening time there was no line and just a trickle all day. Yes I sold a Vic 5, and was able to buy 150 nice blue amberols . There were many phonograph sales, but they were to other collectors (vendors). My point is, The time has come for OTAPS to Sponsor our own show. The Pacific NW demographics are perfect. We can pair with the Radio clubs (who refused to participate in this show) as well as MBSI and AMICA and even get the Jukebox and record collectors to participate. Sounds of Nostalgia can become a big deal. It will require us to do some work, but I think it will be very successful, our club will grow and I believe with exposure more elusive phonographs will show up. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: stan stanford s...@clarphon.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Salem Oregon Phono Sale I too enjoyed the Sounds of Nostalgia event in Salem, Oregon.I sold a nice Edison Home and and 5-drawer cylinder cabinet as well as cylinders, records and various other small related items. I also bought 2 nice small machines including a beautiful Jack and Jill childrens machine with the original box. The event is now in a different and newer building and, I think, more pleasant. The Oregon Territory Antique Phonograph Society also inducted 4 new members into our local MAPS chapter at the Salem event. Come join us next year for the event in the middle of February. stan stanford - Original Message - From: DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:25 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Salem Oregon Phono Sale The Sounds of Nostalgia phonograph sale was last Sunday. For a small local sale, it was quite successful. I sold five out of six machines on my table (Canadian Berliner, Edison Standard with #10 cygnet, Zonophone Home, Amberola 50, and an Amberola DX. Other machines that sold included a Vic V, Vic I, Vic O, Standard A, Col Q, Edison Home, and another Standard with #10 cygnet. I talked to some vendors that thought the sale was poorly attended but I had a good time (and took home the Vic O!). Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate
I thought the same thing. They must think we collectors just jumped off a turnip truck. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate the description is also just a little too precious (aw shucks, its a stone-looking thing, i think collectors call it a stylus). this might be a big ruse. On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:16 PM, estott wrote: To me it doesn't look like a product of the Edison works- I'd guess that everything above the bedplate is the work of a very skillful mechanic. I strongly suspect this was someone's recording machine- the precision adjustments and quick release on the carrier arm the leveling adjustments on the front edge are impressive- possibly to make recordings with different cutting depths. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320182426778 http://tinyurl.com/2dhcqj What is this? Steve___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM
[Phono-L] Phonograph items in Istanbul
Art: Funny you inquired. My dream has been to go on a phonograph trek to Istanbul. There has to be a lot of stuff there. My grandparents came here in 1913, I remember them telling me about a record store and they listened to a lot of turkish music. It sounds pretty bad, I still have some of the records. Back then Turkish was written with the arabic alphabet so it takes a little time to translate. I think in the 1920s they converted their language to the latin alphabet. There is a market place there called Kopali Charchi (the covered bazaar) and you will find lots of books and records in the old language. If you are planning a trip, let me know, I want to go but my wife wont . Al Menashe - Original Message - From: aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph items in Istanbul Anyone know of any phono collectors or shops in Istanbul? I know it's a long shot--but thought I'd ask. ---Art Heller ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] shipping phonographs
I'm with Mario: If I sell a phonograph I take it to a packaging store and they take care of everything. Sure it costs more but I think most buyers would prefer that as well. I have shipped many wood horn machines and have never lost one yet. Union is great but they do not offer packaging services at the show, so if you fly in, you better know somebody who will bring it back for you. - Original Message - From: Mario Frazzetto mari...@optusnet.com.au To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs Some might disagree but I now get most of what I sell now professionally packaged (pack and send) Yes it might add $20-30 to postage but I'm of the belief that it is probably just as imporant as insurance and if you have to make a claim on your insurance just whip out the packing receipt and then there is really little question that it is well packed. I only do this for delicate and/or more expensive items. Cheers, Mario - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smsti...@mind.net To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 5:35 AM Subject: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs One of the reasons ( of many ) I don't buy phonographs on eBay is it breaks my heart to hear of yet another phonograph lost to shipping. I can't afford to take that hit.I'm old school. Go to shows, go to Union. Hey it is fun to meet others. At shows like Union if you do it right you might just haggle a great deal instead of paying more than everybody else is willing to bid. Just a thought. BTW I understand that not everyone can go to Union ( like me, both cases ) or live in the outback were there are few antiques. I'm just advocating to keep other mediums alive. Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay!
Dan: The new ebay policy is different than private auctions, in that we can get the bidders profile. The danger on Ebay is not the bidders but the seller. Do your due diligence! On high dollar items I always check out the seller. before I bid I make sure I know who I am dealing with. Then I place one bid which is the most I am going to pay. This is no secret strategy as I am sure most of you do the same thing, and Ill admit I do use a sniping program, but I win a few good ones. - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! I still will never bid on a hidden buyer auction. It's like asking to be cheated. Dan - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! In this instance, it is not the seller who is making the decision to hide the bidders' IDs, it is eBay. It does seem like a very unpopular idea. On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:36:43 -0800, Daniel Melvin wrote: I have always avoided auctions that hide bidders. I agree with Jeff's suspicions. I just don't trust sellers that hide things. It just feels wrong. I suppose many people have had OK transactions this way. It's not for me though. Dan - Original Message - From: taediso...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! In a message dated 1/16/2007 4:13:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jeff...@prevea.com writes: Has anyone bid, or won anything with these bidder identification protected auctions? The seller of the Zonophone-A is doing that with that particular auction. eBay has always had an option for keeping bidders private, but this is not the case here. Recently eBay instituted a new policy whereby anything that tops $200 becomes protected. It's not the seller's choice. Instead of showing bidder IDs it shows Bidder 1, Bidder 2 etc. This is an attempt to combat rampant fraud since so many scammers are sending fake second chance notices to underbidders. By hiding bidders on higher-priced items they hope to cut down on these scams. It will also prevent people from offering similar items to underbidders by private message. On the bid history page you can view some statistics on the bidders. Perhaps the most telling is the one that shows what percent of the bidder's total bid activity is with the particular seller. In the Zonophone auction, for example, the current high bidder has 42% of activity with the seller. That's certainly very high. It also shows the categories the bidder has been active in, so it's very easy to see if a person who spends most of his time buying Christmas ornaments is suddenly a player on high-end collector phonographs. The new system is far from ideal, and I confess I liked to see what other people were bidding on. But by the same token, I never liked airing my own bid history publicly so I guess I'm a hypocrite at heart! Overall I think this new system will have more pros than cons. (And it will hopefully stifle some of the con artists, pun intended) Best regards, Rene Rondeau ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison signed Record box
Some dumb ass will probably buy the box. - Original Message - From: Phillip Sands sinatrafang...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison signed Record box Edison invented the felt tip the same day he signed this record.. Gee, I wonder if they had felt tip markers back then? - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison signed Record box http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=14431item=2292324566http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=14431item=2292324566 http://tinyurl.com/5aeujhttp://tinyurl.com/5aeuj What do you think of this one? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Victrola Electrola 17
I need room. I am going to sell my Victrola 17 Electrola in Mahogany sounds great and works fine. Any phonolisters want it, call me. I'll take $700. it goes on ebay soon. Al Menashe From bruce78...@comcast.net Wed May 25 04:37:54 2005 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78rpm) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Machine Message-ID: 003c01c5611e$31ac8470$6401a...@custom Merle's Little Wonder machine did exceptionally well on ebay. I was just wondering whether there were other off brand machines from that era that utilized this unusual concept of the tone arm, reproducer and horn all pivoting together with the sound reverberating back off the inside of the horn. Bruce From maff...@bresnan.net Fri May 27 19:46:43 2005 From: maff...@bresnan.net (Bob Maffit) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Machine References: 003c01c5611e$31ac8470$6401a...@custom Message-ID: 002f01c5632f$7ba12be0$b9d99...@maffit Bruce: How much did it sell for? Bob - Original Message - From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:37 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Machine Merle's Little Wonder machine did exceptionally well on ebay. I was just wondering whether there were other off brand machines from that era that utilized this unusual concept of the tone arm, reproducer and horn all pivoting together with the sound reverberating back off the inside of the horn. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] value of Vic 6 and Vic D
Compare a Vic 6 and a Fancy case Vic D. Both are in Equal pristine condtion and both have matching wood horns. Knowing that they made twice as many Vic 6's than Fancy case D's, but everybody seems to want a 6, so, Which one is more valuable? Both machines are priced at $6500. and are these prices about right? Thanks Al
[Phono-L] Ebay question
I know that Columbia made the nickel horn in a larger size for the BY and BD, those do bring a premium. The last one I found in mint condition at Union was $650. and I was happy to have acquired it. Al - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay question I would say that a Columbia nickle plated horn is not scarce as they appear on eBay every once in a while. However, finding one with extremely nice nickle may not be easy. A nice one usually goes for $300 to $350, so the statement that the horn alone is worth the auction price is really not true since the current bid is around $450 and reserve has not been reached. If you got two of these machines for $200 each, then you really did get some good deals. Ray - Original Message - From: Jeff Walton jfwal...@usa.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay question Take a look at this link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38028item=6518579799rd=1 The person says that the nickle plated horn is scarce and that the horn alone is worth the auction price. Is this correct? Am I missing something. I have bought two of these exact machines at estate auctions for about $200.00. My question for the phograph gods is a nickle horn of this type considered scarce? Thanks Jeff W ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Winding key for an Edison Gem
George Vollema has them all. - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Winding key for an Edison Gem Tim Fabrizio sells darn good repros! Strongly suggest you get one of those and hunt for a real one at your leisure. On Feb 3, 2005, at 7:16 PM, Thomas Jordan wrote: Good evening everyone. I am hoping that someone on the list can help me find a part. I need to obtain a winding key for an Edison Gem phonograph. In case it matters, the Serial # is G94916 Last Patent Date May 31,1898. I would like to obtain an original part, but will settle for a repro if I need to. Thank you in advance for your help. Tom -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Need Lakeside decal
I recently purchase a very odd Cylinder Phonograph.It is a US Talking machine Lakeside model. I need a decal for the inner lid. Can you phonListers refer me to somebody who could provide me with a decal. Thanks Al Menashe
[Phono-L] 2/4 setup on a Columbia BFT
The BFT uses the same mech. as the BGT, which I have taken apart and cleaned. Its pretty straight foreward, I can walk you through it. AL - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: [Phono-L] 2/4 setup on a Columbia BFT I have a really nice Columbia BFT that has a 2/4 minute setup. Can someone tell me how this mechinism works? I have played around with it and it doesn't seem to make any difference what I do, the speed doesn't change. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l
[Phono-L] EDISON TRIUMPH PHONOGRAPH OAK CASE CYGNET HORN MODEL E
Wow! A model E with an 11 panel cygnet does bring a premium, not sure about That much of one however. - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phon...@oldcrank.com; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: [Phono-L] EDISON TRIUMPH PHONOGRAPH OAK CASE CYGNET HORN MODEL E http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2245227954 http://tinyurl.com/2ue9c Any idea why this one went so high? Steve ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Phono buying in 1975...
Adjusted for inflation, phonographs actually are cheaper today. The exception of course are the rare desireable machines which have always appreciated far greater then average. Case in point, I went to my first Union show in 1987 and bought an Edison Concert without a horn for $2200. Today, I would be hard pressed to get much more. my records show that I bought a Vic 4 at a caps show with a MG horn for 1600. in 1989. They are going for about 1200. on ebay now. Edison Standards used to sell in the 500. range now they are about $375. Just my observation, but check your records, you will be surprised. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Phillip Sands sinatrafang...@yahoo.com To: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com; Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono buying in 1975... I paid far more in the 70's for this stuff. In 1975 you couldn't touch a Standard for under $600.. You can find them on Ebay now for 300. Do the inflation math. --- Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com wrote: So if this was true in 1975... Victor Model VI, original mahogany horn, gold pillars, WITH original rare matching cabinet shaped liek the machine, but on a larger scale. $950. It would be $3268 today. I'm ready to buy one on the spot for $3268!!! Good point about prices though. With inflation and such the deals aren't really as astounding as them seem. But what a way to dream about old prices available today. Dan - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Eric Stott est...@localnet.com; Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono buying in 1975... Here's another fun way to look at it. $100 in 1975 equates to $344 in 2004. Loran On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 15:18, Eric Stott wrote: Believe it or not, those were not low prices for the time. It was still not uncommon for great finds to turn up at auctions or come out of farm houses. Nowadays most everything is picked over and Ebay has made most everyone a dealer eager to make a fortune. Even when something new comes to the market the owner has been told Oh this one is very unique and rare a thousand times. Eric Stott ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Newsgroup
There is a killer Victrola Special M on ebay right now. Wish I could afford it. I saw one up close, and it is undoubtedly the most beautiful portable phonograph ever made. I am curious though how they sound. My electrola has an acoustic reproducer with an electric turntable. The Special M is just the opposite. A spring motor with electrical reproduction. Anybody have one of these, would be interesting to hear some comments. - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newsgroup I think the group has been incredibly quite for the past few days. Loran On Mar 24, 2004, at 9:56 AM, blnaps...@aol.com wrote: I am no longer receiving your news group. Any idea how come? Barry Napshin ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Victrola for sale.
Hey guys, I have a Victrola X for sale in Mahogany. It is complete, works great and sounds fine. I only want $300. for it. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Mark Lynch markely...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Union--Delivery to East Coast?? Hi, Delivery needed to East Coast for large cabinet phonograph. Pickup near Ft Wayne, IN after the show and delivery to the DC area or somewhere thereabouts. See me at the show or call 301-906-9489, cell. Will certainly pay for the help! Thank You, Mark Lynch ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] removal from list
Dan: must be those liberal Graphophone collectors. Real Men prefer Edison. LOL Al - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] removal from list I haven't noticed anything odd going on this list. Who was having the problem? Dan - Original Message - From: cranke...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:01 AM Subject: [Phono-L] removal from list Loran, Please remove me from the list. Censureship belongs elsewhere, not here in America... ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] ebay fraud and caveat emptor
Legally if you butt into someones sale, it can be construed as restraint of trade and if damages are proven you could be held liable. This is unlikely to happen on ebay, but I would never interfere in someone elses business transaction, even if I had knowledge that the buyer was being hosed. I am a lender, and I see every day customers getting hosed on car deals, usually by paying way too much, but it is highly unethical to interfere with the transaction or to tell the buyer he is paying to much. I had to grit my teeth when I saw someone bid $1500 on an Amberola 30. But he wanted it and was willing to pay. Let the buyer beware. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraud and caveat emptor I used to be one of those who warned bidders who were bidding on fraudulent material, until one bidder flamed me and told me he'd report me to ebay for butting into it. Obviously he was the seller shilling his own fraudulent merchandise. Then I started writing to the sellers and advising them in a friendly way that what they were selling might no be kosher. Most thanked me for educating them, some didn't respond, and some said how do I know that you know anything about it? I am leaving it as is. I am finally trying to swallow the bitter truth that I can't save everyone, no matter how hard I try. Believe it or not that's why I did these things, because I can't stand to think of someone being purposely defrauded. But it really doesn't affect me in a personal way, and what Peter wrote here really spoke to me. If people can't do a little research, maybe it is just too bad if they get stung...I certainly research whatever I buy if I am not sure about it. John Robles pjfra...@alamedanet.net wrote: gee, i just had a flash. this may be unpopular, but my opinion is that if these bidders have the money to toss at toys and luxury goods such as these, they just might also have the brains to do the research and protect themselves...without our help. and if they don't, well, it's not our responsibility to bail them out. caveat emptor is the rule on ebay, whether we like it or not. if we can detect problems with the representation of an item from the listing, so can they...and if they can't, why are they spending the big bucks? there are tons of instant-gratification freaks out there on ebay - why hunt it down and do the research and leanr about stuff when i can just click-and-grin? it also just may be that they have plenty of disposable income. disposable like burning it, or flushing it, or tossing it out of a window...or buying a fake clock! that's my 2 cents' worth...or you can Buy It Now for a quarter!!! -- peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net Richard Rubin wrote: Here's an ethical question, which unfortunately could not have applied to the Edison clock in question, since the biddes' IDs were hidden: In situations where a bidder list is viewable and the item in question is clearly being misrepresented, how would you all feel about contacting bidders before the auction ends and letting them know your misgivings? (If only there were some way to alert people BEFORE they bid.) What, in your opinions, are the moral and ethical implications in this? --RR From: Loran Hughes Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Something Worth Remembering Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:05:06 -0800 On Mar 10, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Dennis Back wrote: I too, wrote the seller, with no reply back. All I can say is...what goes around, comes around. The seller will eventually get what he deserves in the end. As a matter of fact, I'll be updating my crap-o-phone page this weekend to include these clocks and Chinese crap-o-phones. I also have a catalog put out by a company in India with their complete product line (yikes!), which I may show sans contact info. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Very Fishy !!!! Edison Suitcase home scam
Strange, the seller has 700 positive feedbacks and he is legit. but I wonder when the 2nd one got listed. Were they on at the same time.? The listing doesnt give the auction start time, or if it does I didnt catch it. The machine is drop dead beautiful. I didnt check up on the buyer. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Robert Plavzic plav...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Very Fishy Edison Suitcase home scam Look Here http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Edison-Home-Phonograph-Model-A-Suitcase-SUPER_W0QQitemZ170003381517QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and then here http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Edison-Home-Phonograph-Model-A-Suitcase-SUPER_W0QQitemZ330006278487QQihZ014QQcategoryZ35717QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem How does one alert EBAY about scams (I tried to find out but ebay seems not to want to know as I cannot follow their logic?) ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Into the breach once more - Fraudulent Suitcase home backagain
I think Ebay finally kicked him off. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Robert Plavzic plav...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Into the breach once more - Fraudulent Suitcase home backagain wonder how long till the 'vendor' decides that he will not succeed? http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Edison-Home-Phonograph-Model-A-Suitcase-SUPER_W0QQitemZ230009666863QQihZ013QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Idelia SOLD
Something doesnt seem right. I guess rarity has nothing to do with value. It must be more about demand or mystique. Several collectors I know have Idelias in their collections, there are probably hundreds out there. I saw a nice Multiphone sell for 31k at a live auction and know of a sale of an Auxetophone for 25k. Is an Idelia worth substantially more than these two extremely rare machines? - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia SOLD I agree. It's an extravagant purchase, but so are pricey cars, TVs, clothes, etc. Those things become worthless in a few years, while Idelias will (hopefully) only increase in value. It's pretty clear that in this hobby, only the best machines appreciate in value, while the common ones are worth less today than they were ten years ago. However, most of us are in it for the enjoyment, rather than the investment potential, of our phonographs. I must admit, I love to see phonos sell for outrageous prices, as long as I am not the buyer :) Ray - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia SOLD Sick? Naw. It's called an auction. If someone is willing to pay that price and they're happy, more power to 'em. Loran On Feb 11, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Alan Wohl wrote: I think it's pretty sick. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] you're the cream...............
Wow!, that was a good buy. I expected to see that cylinder to hit $5000. Thats what I like about Ebay. Not only are the best items offered for sale but at bargain prices too. I should have stepped up. - Original Message - From: cranke...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: [Phono-L] you're the cream... Ummok, I'm dreaming, right Bill http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6604198485rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITrd=1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] records/real cream
Hey Mikey: I guess in this case pure rarity trumped desirability. What would you guess, maybe three copies in existance? Maybe this is the only one. - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt m...@oldcranky.com To: phono phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: [Phono-L] records/real cream After trading off my BA 5716 that cost me $2.50, it occurred to me that somewhere around here is the last Diamond Disk. I got a cold in my nooze. I think it's in the garage. First $2000.00 offer gets it!!! It's cold in the garage. I paid $1.50 for it but that was some time ago. Better than cream in your coffee!!! I have other 5000 BA starting at $1500. Theres a trick to pick, pickin a chicken, etc...Red headed widow was the cause of it all etc Oldcranky havin' fun ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] you're the cream...............
Ray: I got caught up on the Vogue frenzy I got to have them all syndrome. Now the thrill is gone and alas, vogues are worth about half as much now as five years ago.. This was the case of reproductions flooding the market. I also got burned on my WurliTzer 1015. I got to have one cost me $10,000. back in 1995. Now you can buy them all day on ebay for five grand. I blame the reproductions. When the price of Idelia reaches forty thousand, just watch. It is inevitable that Somebody is going to produce a perfect reproduction, then watch the originals plummet. - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] you're the cream... Zono and others: Why did he want it so badly? I know it's a nice tune, and there are not a lot of them around, but I'm still at a loss to understand just why that cylinder would be worth so much. Is it just a gotta have it syndrome to complete a collection of all BAs? It is not at the absolute end of cylinder production, as there are some 77 BA titles released after that one. One could buy a very nice original Triumph (maybe even mahogany) with wood horn and all for less money than that cylinder sold for. It sure would be nice to see a discussion of the rare BAs, with approximate current values, as was done for the Vogue records. Then we could feel comfortable bidding cylinders up into the thousands whenever they appear on eBay. However, maybe some people would rather that information not be widely circulated. Ray - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] you're the cream... hi all i was the third bidder but seems like mike kacillian wanted it the most great record zono ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] reproductions.
There is a perfect reproduction Vic 6 cabinet that just showed up on Ebay. That tells me, when the prices of the originals get so high, then it becomes profitable to produce an exact copy. I am sure the Idelia will follow. From esrobe...@hotmail.com Wed Feb 22 16:45:17 2006 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:25 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] reproductions. References: 001001c6380e$6caaac60$c801a...@albert Message-ID: bay101-dav135abe7662391d33d48d23aa...@phx.gbl I hope so, I'd love to have one. But they'll never be reproduced in enough quantities to lower the value of the originals. - Original Message - From: Albert cen...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: [Phono-L] reproductions. There is a perfect reproduction Vic 6 cabinet that just showed up on Ebay. That tells me, when the prices of the originals get so high, then it becomes profitable to produce an exact copy. I am sure the Idelia will follow. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] CAPS Show Sale
The CAPS show was the best California phonograph event ever. There was more merchandise, and more wonderful machines than ever. It certainly was a record collectors dream, and I think there were some real bargains. Everybody had a good time. Thank you CAPS for a great show. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] CAPS Show Sale I just returned from the CAPS show and wondered how other people enjoyed the sale. I thought it was the best CAPS event ever. The banquet with guest speakers Joan and Rob Rolf was very interesting. The sale had more machines and records than any prior California event. I had a good time and was glad I attended. Jerry Blais __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Slightly Off Topic Request
It gets worse every day. My company is sending money to NW medical teams, they just left Portland this morning. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Slightly Off Topic Request Loran thanks for the note. I have already given to the Red Cross and yesterday my company sent a notice that they will match 150% of any amount associates doante through the company. I think that is a great thing and I plan to give more through the company. It really is important and I think we all need to try to do something to help in this horrible situation. Dan - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique List Phonograph phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Slightly Off Topic Request The events of the last few days got me thinking about how lucky I am - I know that my family is safe, we have a roof over our heads, plenty to eat and drink, and disposable income for my hobbies. Where am I going with this? This month, I've got a challenge for the subscribers of this list. I'd like you to donate to your favorite charity for hurricane Katrina relief (if you haven't already). I personally donated at www.salvationarmyusa.org - but would also recommend www.redcross.org. So skip that latte, extra slice of pizza, or Edison Standard. Dig into your pocket and think about the folks that have nothing tonight. Loran P.S. To head off the inevitable you shouldn't be using this list to beg for donations email I own and maintain the server on which Phono-L resides, pay for the dedicated DSL line to that server, and am the list-owner. I figure that gives me the right ;) ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Thought this was interesting...
Hey guys, I need a source in the Pacific NW who can straighten and polish a Victor brass bell horn. Thanks Al Menashe - Original Message - From: msprin...@juno.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:39 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Thought this was interesting... Maybe these are common, but I think it's interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320060246562ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] reproducers
Mike it was the gold Improved concert. I have never had a gold concert, those must be worth a fortune as well! Were they ever standard equipment on a machine? Maybe the first Vic 6? - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smsti...@mind.net To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers Are you talking about gold concert or improved concert? oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
