Re: [Phono-L] Steve Medved Repair
Had my O done by Steve, I have another I should send him.. I concur, the job he does is fantastic.. Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:23 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Just wanted to tell you (as if I had to) of the marvelous repair Steve Medved did on my Edison Model O reproducer. It sounded fine from the time I got it on ebay, but the stem broke free from the stylus bar assembly, and it turned out it had been repaired before (badly). Steve recognized the reproducer by its number 9he told me he records serial numbered reproducers that appear on ebay) and it had been auctioned by a man who told Steve that he had completely rebuilt it. Whoever bought it from him put it back on ebay 6 months later, which is when I bought it. I suspect they did the bad repair and were trying to get rid of it. Steve took a new stem made by (Is it public knowledge, Steve?) which is just like the original, and made the repair, which involved much more than just gluing it in. He also salvaged the original indicator knob and pointer from my original O and applied that to it! He polished the diaphragm, which gleams like new, and made it airtight, which it was not before. The reproducer sounds excellent, works just like new. Thanks Steve, for another high quality repair. I give you 5 stars! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they in terms of a repro compared to what else is available? Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, it is completely original and super nice. Thanks Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Another Edison future colletible and heads up for deadline
Agreed, it is a staggering amount of energy that will be saved switching to LED. Carnegie Mellon did a full life cycle analysis of the energy required to make power LED over the full life cycle and it is over a 5x savings.. As a technology incandescent lasted a tremendous amount of time showing how well thought out and dependable it was as a system. Now after 100 + years it's obsolete and it's time to move on to more energy efficient methods. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: You're not missing anything if the link doesn't work. It's a teaparty-esque propaganda piece politicizing the energy conservation aspect of phasing out incandescent bulbs. But there's an underlying message: Watch out, the government is out to get you. So dig that bunker if you haven't already, and fill it up with guns, gas guzzling vehicles...and light bulbs, because it's important to keep OPEC happy, and to get rid of inconveniences like those polar ice caps and clean air. But don't hurt yourself during construction, or socialist doctors might force you to get well. It's kind of cool that Tom's product has lasted so long in the marketplace almost completely unchanged, but it really is time to move on. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Dec 26, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Works for me. On 12/26/2013 09:57 AM, John9ten wrote: Am I the only one for whom this link won't work even though I copied the whole thing, excluding the parentheses? John Robles On Dec 26, 2013, at 7:15 AM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: _Time to Stock Up on Incandescent Bulbs Before They Go Out Permanently_ (http://links.heritage.org/hostedemail/email.htm?CID=18246527865ch=5823E15D760 7E8004A49A6B8776A53D7h=b5053f43c26e6e123298476731c09368ei=WOoHXHpNZ) Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem on Ebay My 2 Cents worth...
Penny wise pound foolish is what comes to mind. I have seen other auctions too from the same guy where he has listed in separate auctions parts from the same machine to raise his take. There is a lot of cost involved in making an incomplete and broken machine complete, but sometimes it is the journey or challenge that makes it fun. However, often by the time your finished it is more expensive and less original than if you had bought a better example in the first place. Bill Sent from my iPad On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote: Thanks, Al. I have a spare C but those other problems are enough to keep me away. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:20 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem on Ebay My 2 Cents worth... Greetings Ron: That particular seller takes machines apart and sells the parts separately. I am personally against parting out a working machine so I would not purchase it. That being said, the motor has a few issues. In addition to those stated in the listing, the belt idler tension pulley, arm, and spring seem to be missing. Someone has worked on the motor which indicates there may be more hidden problems created by a kitchen table repairman. Do you really want to buy this then have to go and separately buy a good Model C Reproducer, $100, replace the cabinet, $175, find a Gem cone horn, $25 reproduction. The Model C Gem would actually be correct with the 6 panel straight morning glory horn but an original can command $200 with a crane. A complete and working machine from a fellow collector would seem to be the best way to get a Gem. The ones that go for crazy prices are those with the Gem Special Automatic Speaker in a branded top cabinet with the all brass witches hat horn. Thi s makes sense due to only 20,000 being made and few surviving intact. A nice 2 minute Gem that is complete often sells on eBay for $400 to $500 depending on condition. Best wishes, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication name
I agree, 'In The Groove' always seemed like a upbeat and positive name. It's not stuffy or too academic and conveys that it's about records, music and phonographs. Bill Sent from my iPad On Jul 11, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Just my humble opinion, but I have always liked the name In the Groove and will be sorry to see it go if it is voted down. I also really like the current format and design of the publication. I hope that will not change. Melissa From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication name If it's to be considered a new organization, I'd imagine it makes sense to give it a new name, let's say something like the American Antique Phonograph Society, just for talking purposes. Then it's a no-brainer to name the periodical The AAPS Journal. As others have said, keeping things simple is usually a good strategy. And you're not pointing the emphasis towards machines or records, if that matters - although the record people have their own clubs and journals, right? I guess the two phono clubs are mostly hardware related, but also naturally with coverage of the media we play on that hardware - but still coming from the machine standpoint overall. In The Groove was always sort of non-descriptive and hackneyed in my (likely insignificant) opinion, although I can see how it would have sentimental value for some. I used to belong to MAPS in order to receive it, but dropped out when its quality declined a few years back. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jul 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com wrote: Disagree!!! Nothing wrong with a good cliche (IF it even is one), historically significant, recognized world-wide and makes a good acronym. Paul Christenzen, simple-minded collector Bruce wrote: OK, I'll step up to be the first person to disagree with Steve. When the improvements were being made to the former CAPS publication, The Sound Box, concurrent with the name change to the organization, we wanted a name for the publication that would speak to the stature of its quality. Names like The Sound Box seemed too much like a cliché that fell far short of the quality of the product. In the Groove as a publication name, regardless of its age, falls short as well. Bruce Peterson - former CAPS/APS president -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Ricci Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:26 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication name Well said, Steve! I agree 100% Melissa From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successor publication name I am posting this to both Phonolist and Phono-L -- the two listserves I subscribe to. Those of you who belong to the Antique Phonograph Sovciety (formerly known as the Calif. APS) should have received a letter in the mail this week (or will shortly -- mine came yesterday) detailing the proposed merger of the APS with MAPS effective January 1, 2014, (I'm guessing MAPS members will get something soon.). I was told that there was a preliminary meeting of members held at the Union show lat month, though no mention was made in any reports of the show on either of these lists. So the mailing from CAPS was the first formal document I saw. As outlined in the letter, the two organizations are often serving the same group with 160 members (of MAPS' 607 and APS's 400 members belonging to both. Economically it makes sense because postage to mail each society's magazine/journal is the biggest cost. By combining memberships, there would be one dues and this might attract more members. (Side note here: Every person on these newsgroups should belong to at least one of these organizations to support the hobby.). The plan is to take the best of both magazines and combine into one. Currently APS's magazine focuses on pre-electric phonographs and and some recordings -- mostly pre-1910 -- while ITG (MAPs' magazine) covers recording artists as well as reissues of pre-Lp era recordings. (As most of you know, I have contributed a monthly -- now bi-monthly -- column, Anything Phonographic to ITG for over 20 years , not missing one issue yet!). I definitely support the merger if it will mean continuing the great volunteer work done by the Boards and contributors of both organizations. But -- as I wrote in a
Re: [Phono-L] Who has THIS kind of money?
Something that rare.. That price doesn't surprise or shock me at all... Bill Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Who had the MultiPhone for sale, do you know? The only one that I have seen recently was Paul Baker's, which he brought to our March show in Charlotte. It was for sale for $150,000. The only other one I know of is in a house about 5-6 miles from here... and it's not in as good a condition as Paul Baker's. That being said, they are incredible machines, but definitely WAY out of my price range... From: srsel...@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:08:13 -0400 To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Who has THIS kind of money? I just heard that at Stanton's auction this weekend the Multiphone upright 24 cylinder phonograph sold for $77,000.00. Okay, it probably is neat to have but it sure is a lot of money! (oh yes there was a buyers premium too!). That's a year's take home pay a middle class white collar worker. Anyone on list go? How was attendance? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison standard Bed plate right carriage rod loop repair
Is it at all possible to repair a bed plate that then eyelet for the carriage rod is broken. The bedplate is in otherwise good condition? Or is it just ruined. Sent from my iPad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
Excellent work!! Sent from my iPad On Mar 24, 2013, at 3:56 PM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: Or maybe we can find the buyer and ask him to pass it on to the buyer of the rest of the machine. -Original Message- From: George Paul Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 I'm happy to report that all the constituent parts of Amberola III No.304 (except the horn) have been purchased by a preservation-minded collector. It's a pity about the horn, but I'm hoping one of us can find an original to complete the machine. Does anyone have a spare Amberola III horn in any condition? Best to all, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
Agreed.. I understand you have your differences with Steve, but you don't have to be a dick about it. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com wrote: ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able guy I've met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to breathe before you try to embarrass him!! chuck richards wrote: This is a completely on topic post. Sorry for previously mis-posting in Amberola lll topic about this. Steve Medved: I need for you to honor your agreement to ship to me one original hinge block for the reworked Edison model H top. You made this agreement with me one week ago, and have not shown any signs so far of honoring it as of yet. There is still time to fix all of this and to make it right. I will be waiting. Apologies to the forum for using it this way. I wanted one completely properly titled, properly on-topic post about this. Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison spring motor for phonograph advice
I am looking at a couple Edison spring motor machines, I have never owned one previously and wanted to know what to look for. I am looking for one that is reasonably original and unmolested. How long and what serial numbers would you expect to have the brass mandrel, and what reproducer goes with the machine (automatic?). What advice do you have in searching one out? Bill On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: That same guy sent me the $10,000 check too and guess what? He offered to give me $2,000 as a commission, if I sent his nephew in Mexico a wire transfer for $8,000... Since I found another Berliner on eBay for $500, I can't wait to send it to him, I'm heading out now to get it done... From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:49:55 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00 He sent me a cheque for $1 drawn on the Bank of the Wabash Far Away. It bounced, I wrote to him about it, and we have arranged for him to Meet Me Tonight in Dreamland. pc In a message dated 2/25/2013 7:09:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rkeu...@gmail.com writes: Sorry Dave, the guy in Nigeria is sending all his extra money to me. I already sent him $2000 for extra expenseshe-he-he ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc 250 Mystery
Not a Duncan electric stop? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2013, at 8:05 PM, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Phonolisters: Today while I was out looking for records I came across an Edison Diamond Disc player, model 250 that had several items that I have never seen before. Attached to the bottom of the brass portion of the top of the horn just behind the locking ferrule is a small brass pipe that runs down below the motorboard and contains an electrical wire that starts with a small phonetip on the upper end and ends in a bare end below the motorboard. The wire is about 18 long. Also interesting is an electric switch below the turntable that seems to be part of the stop mechanism. Other than that, the machine seems to be an ordinary 250 with a spring motor. I took two pictures of the features that I have described above and would be glad to send them to anyone who asks and who provides me with an email address. Best Regards, Green Mountain Bill -- From The Hubbard House On the park in Rochester, Vermont where it's always 1929. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
Sent from my iPad Oilite is a trademark and specific brand of bearings that has changed hands multiple times over the years. Oilite bearings were invented by Chrysler corporation and was a subsidiary of Chrysler and profit center for a good while. Bill Such bushings have been used for electric motors for decades and are very dependable. To us old-timers, they were known as oilite bearings. Turns out, that is now the tradename of a company who furnishes such bearings: http://www.oilite.com/bearings.asp Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
http://www.allpar.com/history/amplex.html History of oilite and the Amplex division of Chrysler corporation Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: That explanation of machining sintered bronze is probably why Randy is better off doing what he started with, since he can do it at home without specialized equipment. From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:44:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing It is important to note the difference between bronze bushings and sintered bronze bushings. The former require regular lubrication as does any other plain bearing. But the sintering process produces a material that is porous and will hold lubricant in its pores which significantly reduces the need for regular oiling. Here's a description of proper and improper machining of sintered bronze: http://www.lm-tarbell.com/machining_sintered_bronze.htm Such bushings have been used for electric motors for decades and are very dependable. To us old-timers, they were known as oilite bearings. Turns out, that is now the tradename of a company who furnishes such bearings: http://www.oilite.com/bearings.asp Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) with special regards to Joan Rolfs
Terrific email--- totally agree Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Edison cared deeply for his customers, that is why the C H and K reproducers along with the 2 and 4 minute recorders were still being made and sold in the mid 1920's. By 1924 the recorder used the same box as the business recorder. On November 10, 1925 Clarence Ferguson purchased a 2 minute recorder and a Model C reproducer cup.The Model N continued to made for use in the Amberola 5 6 8 and 10. When it was found the regular N did not work in the 5 and 6 he made the N-56 in June of 1913, an obsolete reproducer to play the obsolete wax amberols on the new amberola machines. From the summer of 1901 to the end of 1914 2,099,997 (at least) of the small top reproducers were made as the B to K share serial numbers. From 1915 to 1929 around 19,000 C H K reproducer were made for obsolete machines. That Edison still supported the small carriage cylinder phongraphs in the 1920's is interesting. His company continued to do reproducer repairs in the 1920's as well. The nickel p lated copper diaphragm came out in 1915, cork gaskets in 1924. I own an H reproducer with a nickel plated diaphragm and cork gaskets. I have a photo of a repair tag for an H that was dated 10/10/23 with the dealers tag, the jobbers tag, and the original owners stub along with the box it was shipped in. In 1923 someone was still using an H that the factory repaired. We all know that the last Blue Amberols were made in lots of 100, Edison cared enough to provide new songs for his small group of mail order cylinder record buyers until nearly the end. When you think of all the things Edison did it is hard to imagine a world without him. The poured concrete houses he built are still standing. The spring washers on my 1917 C-250 bedplate still have their spring after 96 years. If Edison came back I think the thing that would amaze him the most is that so many people still enjoy his favorite invention, the phonograph. Edison was not perfect, neither am I. He had his r o ugh side as we all do. I applaud all those who work together to make this hobby more enjoyable, those who have written books, those who encourage interest in young people like Nick and Melissa. I wish when I went to school someone had cared enough to bring in a restored phonograph. What a way to make history come alive. http://www.hiddennj.com/2011/05/visiting-phillipsburgs-concrete-houses.html http://www.hackettstownlife.com/forum/419740 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Norcross Phonograph Co
Aren't they the predecessor to Oxford and Indestructable Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:25 PM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [phonolist] Norcross Phonograph Co Hello, A friend found the brown wax cylinder below, does anyone have any info on it? Steve Norcross Phonograph Co cylinder selection 60, Remberance of Thee by Samuel Siegel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%20Norcross%20Phonograph%20Co | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Norcross%20Phonograph%20Co | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxc2hlNjBtBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM4OTExBHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQ--?act=replymessageNum=38911 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldDJtcmJkBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQ-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/38911;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NjRnM2Vy BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM4OTEx BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQR0cGNJZAMzODkxMQ-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmJxYW5kBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW UDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQ-- http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZ2FhNTF0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzM0ODcwNzE1 Switch to: Text-Only mailto:phonolist-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional , Daily Digest mailto:phonolist-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest Unsubscribe mailto:phonolist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] looking for Cygnet horn
I think you are better off looking for an original on eBay, you are going to pay just as much for a knock-off.. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2012, at 6:38 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hi Bob I just re-checked, and no, painting is extra. You can call them for a quote - 707-263-5013. They are in northern California. ou might call Sitko too and see if his can be prepainted. I had a friend who took his unpainted horn to an auto shop and they painted it for him, but he did the striping. John From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for Cygnet horn John: Do the prices you site, include paint and gold striping? Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John Robles Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:34 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for Cygnet horn The bell is $165, the elbow is separate at $180, so the total for the horn is $345.00. Then the hardware adds money on top of that. It's almost as much as an original! They are very nice quality though. John Robles On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Dwayne Wyatt in California H107 # Edi son Cygne t Be l l (10 pane l ) 165.00* Painting is extra http://www.wyattsmusical.com/horns.pdf http://www.wyattsmusical.com/horns.html From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:13:31 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] looking for Cygnet horn Phono List: Does anyone have a source for a painted (complete) reproduction Cygnet horn for a Edison Fireside model A set up for a diamond B reproducer carriage? Want to keep the price down and original doesn't matter. I realize Sitko sells them however, not painted. Whom What other options might I consider? Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Partly OT, Victor Theremin site
Page McConnell from the band Phish frequently used a theremin for a while. On 3/5/12 11:23 AM, Bill Burns bi...@ftldesign.com wrote: On 3/4/2012 9:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: My Victor Theremin* colleague and I have just co-created a new website: rcatheremin.com An excellent and much-needed resource! I've added a link to your site from my page on the Victor Theremin brochure: http://ftldesign.com/Theremin/ You might consider linking back if you don't have a copy of the brochure yourself. -- Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
S178813 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2012, at 9:55 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Bill, what's the serial number? From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a threaded crank. Bill On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the expanded Companion book. The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was *suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the summer of '06. The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the story. Regards to all, Al PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning missive. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Mine has the speed control through the top and also is in the shorter green oak case with a banner. On 3/3/12 8:17 AM, Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net wrote: Regarding the crank on Standards. My Standard A has the slotted crank as I thought they all did. So I checked Frow's book and he also says the A had a slotted crank. The Standard B's had threaded cranks. Is it possible your banner machine is the early Standard B that had the banner? My early B with banner has the threaded crank. The easiest way to tell if you have an A or B banner is whether the speed control knob is present above the bedplate on the front left of the machine. If it's there it's a Standard A. The B is also taller but that's not easy to tell if you don't have both machines to compare. Glenn From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a threaded crank. Bill On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the expanded Companion book. The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was *suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the summer of '06. The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the story. Regards to all, Al PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning missive. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question
I have a C with 2:4 kit. It has a brand new spring and if I wind it all the way it just barely makes it through a 4. Min record Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: i had an A, post 1902 by your reckoning below, with a 2/4 kit. it had the little flip-back gear train as well as the moveable gear. Kind of an exercise in futility because all the extra friction made the poor, weak, motor only sometimes able to get through a 4 minute record. -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Sep 3, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Good point, until the Gem A got the B reproducer in 1902 the carriage would have to be changed to accomodate the H reproducer. The only box I have seen for 2/4 Gem kit says B-C on it. I would be interested if the A had a kit. From: glast...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 20:29:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question These are for Models B and C. Red Gems were combination from the beginning and I don't think As could be converted. - Original Message - From: mdsor...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question there is no button or switch on this one as far as I remember, you just move the gear to either engage or disengage giving you 2 or 4 minute. Mike Sorter -Original Message- From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 10:31 am Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question Greetings Everyone: I have had a somewhat negative interaction with eBay seller eschalpin who is selling a Gem 2 - 4 minute conversion gearing. He claims the unit is complete. I asked how you change the gearing speeds and he told me not to send him anymore emails. I believe the 'complete' unit is missing the knob and dual size intermediate gear that does the shifting. Since eschalpin of the District of Columbia won't answer the question I thought I would query this learned group. How does one get two gear speeds on eBay item 250883944435 Thanks, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Peter pjfra...@me.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Why did this go so high
Looks like the top works of an Alva, that is pretty darn rare. If complete, you could mate it with a triumph B cabinet and have a full Alva. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557rt=ncnma=trueitem=370516172743 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) RECENT ACTIVITY: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with Fibromyalgia. Visit the Fibromyalgia Zone today! Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Barney Google Blue Amberol
If anyone has an extra copy that they would like to sell at Union, let me know. Bill Sent from my iPhone ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
This is all based on a potentially faulty premise that the buyer will actually follow through with the purchase. When I upgraded my iPhone from a 3GS to a 4 I put the 3GS on ebay, some foreign buyer bid up to 600 bucks for the device, which was several hundred dollars more than it was worth. When it came time to collect it was just some bogus person who never returned emails or submitted payment. Someone may have bid that by mistake or fraudulently, does not mean there is anything wrong with the seller. That is a very nice Edison Standard, I can see why someone might pay a premium if they were looking for it as a centerpiece for a room or something. However $1200-1500 would already be quite a premium much less 6100.. Bill On 1/26/11 9:54 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: Well I won't argue the seller did good. I would argue that description and photos help but six times the money? Welcome to the world of eBay. I am to lazy to look it up and don't remember but would that machine come with an H reproducer? I don't think so. I posted to that earlier. Would it come with a Triumph horn? Maybe My point is in Oldcranky world for 5/6 times the money it has to be correct. Perhaps it is but the H is a problem. IMHO. Good for him. There is an F standard kicking around my area but sadly refinished, but has an S on it if I remember correctly. I could pick it up if anyone wantsI'll need a thousand dollars for my time so 2K ought to do it. Hey I bet the seller will chip in a hundred for me when I offer him $1000. LOL. we've seen this all before. Remember the lady buying DD at crazy prices. He found a honey hole that's all. Mike Oldcranky On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: I think that the detailed description is one of the keys to successful selling on e-bay. I have never had the knack of doing that. = Lightfoot IA was an eBay seller with good feedback. He would take common 2 minute Edison gold molded records and sell them at $30 to $40 each. He was able to do this because of the ad, he told about the artists, the record, when it was made, the weather that day, by the time you read his ad you wanted that record. Records with low catalog numbers like 7 or 40 he pointed this out and they went high. On eBay the ad makes a big difference and with phono items you have to start the price low to get people to bid. Firebottles is a pro at what he does, I have written him several times and I have always gotten a courteous reply. I'll bet he had to sit down when he saw the final price. I do know of machines that have been bid up high and the buyer backed out. About five years ago some bozo put a standard A on eBay. This guy was not a collector or anyone we know. He was an antique dealer and the standard he was selling was so worn that it had absolutely no pinstriping at all and came with a dismal looking horn. He said this machine was mint and in all his 30 years as an antique dealer he had never seen one better and it sold for $750.00 to someone who had probably never seen a standard before. I have purchased a blank weight C on eBay for $80, it had no ad and the photos were poor, I bid the starting offer and was amazed I won. With a good ad and photos it would have gone for over $200 at the time. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Widdicomb
http://www.historygrandrapids.org/learn.php?id=33 http://www.grpl.org/wiki/images/017.pdf Lots of info available from Grand Rapids public library. They were a prominent furniture company, who probably went into the rush to the phono biz as a sideline. Bill On 1/26/11 1:36 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: The cabinet looks very nice. but there does not appear to be any other unique feature that really makes it special or separates it or makes it more special then any of the other countless Phonograph Marketing wanabees, that chose to enter the field and compete against the big three (Victor, Columbia, and Edison), as well as the more established and successful firms like Sonora or Pathe etc. Thus this firm and its phonographs went the way of the DoDo bird within a very short time span. How many were sold and how many still remain in existence, it left up to speculation. Bruce - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:23:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Widdicomb After the fundamental patents owned by the Victor Talking Machine Company expired in 1917, anyone could enter the lateral-groove disc record/phonograph record business without fear of being sued into bankruptcy by Victor's legal department. Dozens if not hundreds of manufacturers answered the call. The Widdicomb was produced sometime between 1917-1924 by a company in Grand Rapids that either was or had access to a furniture factory (Grand Rapids being a center of furniture manufacture). The audio parts and motors were usually obtained from a third-party maker or importer. From: bkk...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Widdicomb Here's a link for high Rez jpegs of the Widdicomb that I just acquired..any thoughts on age etc.? http://www.4shared.com/dir/Lzzgc5Tp/sharing.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Wanted: Trade or Buy Edison Banner Triumph
The next machine I am looking for is a banner Triumph, preferably one that has the 2/4 minute gearing update. Would also be interested in a Edison Spring Motor. I am in no rush, but if anyone has a nice one they would like to sell or do some kind of trade with I would be interested in buying. Also, really only interested Edison's and I have a very nice pre-dog victor monarch, all original with the original black victor factory mg horn that I wouldn't mind coming to some trade arrangement for. Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
