Re: [Phono-L] Wayne Show Photos Storm
Joan and Rob, We were very lucky here in Florida that with Sandy's passing missed us and we only received light rain but winds at about 60mph. I really feel sorry for anyone this has really effected. It's been a couple of years since the last storm hit here but I have been through it before and really bad thing and loss of life can happen. I wish all that was effected a speedy recovery! Kenneth Keeton PS: Miss you both and maybe this year at the Orlando show I will see you. From: Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Wayne Show Photos Storm Greetings, Our thoughts and prayers go out to all in harms way from Sandy. We will even be feeling the winds in cheeseland. The photographs of the October 14 Wayne show - Mechanical Music Extravaganza and the Thomas Edison Center at Menlo Park are posted at: http://www.wimaps.org/ The weather was perfect the weekend of October 13-14 with the exception of a rain shower on the morning of the show. The show was filled to capacity with brisk sales and buyers from around the world. Our compliments to Michael Devecka for his planning and work that makes this show a grand success. We also visited the museum at the Thomas Edison Center at Menlo Park at 37 Christie Street, Edison NJ. During a visit to the center you can enjoy a personal guided tour of the two-room museum filled with original artifacts, Edison phonographs and an exact model replica of Edison's laboratory constructed with origin pieces of the original building. The museum is located within the Tower Gatehouse, built in 1941 to welcome visitors to the Tower. We were impressed with our visit to the museum. You can visit their website at: http://www.menloparkmuseum.org/ Robin Joan Rolfs ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia No 1 Cylinder Record Cabinet
Shawn and Brice. I have one myself and I just love it. It's in nice unrestored condition. I picked it up on a trade, in the catologe I have that lists it as No. 1. I have no average value so I have been in fear to let it go but then at the same time I think I would miss it dearly. In the Catologe there is a Columbia Q sitting on top of the cylinder record cabinet. I am not really up to sell it but would love some more info on it. Kenneth Keeton From: Shawn O'Rourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia No 1 Cylinder Record Cabinet Brice! Great to hear from you. Here is a link to the pictures. Its not perfect, but pretty nice. I can deliver it to Union for you if you would like, no problem. Just let me know! Shawn http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9t=11184 On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:25 AM, brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Mr. S I might be interested in your cabinet, can you bring it to Union ?? If its yours I know that it is perefect except for the pegs?? From: Michael Shawn O'Rourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:11 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia No 1 Cylinder Record Cabinet I have a super nice cabinet for sale. It is early as well. Around 1900, Columbia produced a line of record cabinets. This is the style number one, and I believe the nicest of them all. It is a perfect small size, with great detail. It has the original pulls and finish. I prefer this cabinet to any for look and function. it originally came with 75 wooden pegs. Those are not present in this cabinet, but have been reproduced by others in the collector community. This one would be more expensive to ship, but I would if you had interest. I can deliver it to the Stanton auction in November. The price is $750.00. I can email pictures upon request. For interest, contact me at mshawnorou...@gmail.com Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248-915-0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ -- Shawn O'Rourke (248) 915 0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia No 1 Cylinder Record Cabinet
Hello again, I went back in the older post and found the info I was looking for. Hope all are well, Kenneth Keeton From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia No 1 Cylinder Record Cabinet Shawn and Brice. I have one myself and I just love it. It's in nice unrestored condition. I picked it up on a trade, in the catologe I have that lists it as No. 1. I have no average value so I have been in fear to let it go but then at the same time I think I would miss it dearly. In the Catologe there is a Columbia Q sitting on top of the cylinder record cabinet. I am not really up to sell it but would love some more info on it. Kenneth Keeton From: Shawn O'Rourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia No 1 Cylinder Record Cabinet Brice! Great to hear from you. Here is a link to the pictures. Its not perfect, but pretty nice. I can deliver it to Union for you if you would like, no problem. Just let me know! Shawn http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9t=11184 On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:25 AM, brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Mr. S I might be interested in your cabinet, can you bring it to Union ?? If its yours I know that it is perefect except for the pegs?? From: Michael Shawn O'Rourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:11 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia No 1 Cylinder Record Cabinet I have a super nice cabinet for sale. It is early as well. Around 1900, Columbia produced a line of record cabinets. This is the style number one, and I believe the nicest of them all. It is a perfect small size, with great detail. It has the original pulls and finish. I prefer this cabinet to any for look and function. it originally came with 75 wooden pegs. Those are not present in this cabinet, but have been reproduced by others in the collector community. This one would be more expensive to ship, but I would if you had interest. I can deliver it to the Stanton auction in November. The price is $750.00. I can email pictures upon request. For interest, contact me at mshawnorou...@gmail.com Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248-915-0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ -- Shawn O'Rourke (248) 915 0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] NPR phonograph celebrities
Bob, Thank you so much for your story. It's really cool to have mentors and people that are willing to be helpful and educate the rest of us not as advance or just in sharing information. I have several people I have thanks for through out the years I have enjoyed collecting. If it was not for them helping and providing me information I would never be where I am in collecting. The learning has not stopped for me and right now I am learning so much from Steve Medved, Thank you. And if it was not for Joan $ Robin Rolfs along with Bob Coon introducing me to collecting I would have never started and found a stable and long lasting love for Phonographs. I even have the first Columbia Q that I found in a garage sale for $15 dollars. I really didn't know what I had but had a hunch at what it might be. I took it to the antique mall in Wisconsin where Joan and Robin have a booth and that started close to 2 decades to now and takes me back to my mid 20's plus the introduction to Collecting Clubs and Societies. I have made several friends sence then. Maybe not in touch as I would like but I know I can always go to them for help and information. It's an aspect of my life that I am very proud to have and a fond affection for it. Thanks again for sharing and Happy Collecting, Kenneth Keeton From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 9:32 PM Subject: [Phono-L] NPR phonograph celebrities Phono folks: While setting at the dinner table in Montana tonight, I was listening to NPr, which made a reference to Milan Ohio. They were talking about restoration of vintage cars. I said, Milan Ohio, why do I know that? Then, yes! Don Gfell. Then Don's voice from sights sounds Of Edison Yes its Don Just a little story that came around in an odway however, Don still is a great ambassador for us phono folk, whom I have a lot of gratitude for the time phone conversations we had many years ago, when I was learning about phonos! Thanks Don for your enthusiasm. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel
Steve, Ya, I will get you some pictures tomarrow. I did not know the mandral is press fit and could be taken off the rod. The rod is in good condition so that will not need to be replaced. So I learned something today. I am so thankful for Phono-L with all the info I get to read and new thinghs I learn. Thank you very much Steve. I really appreciate all the help. You really saved my neck in not blowing my money on something I would not need sence it is only the mandrel that I can change out. Expect pictures tomarrow. Kenneth From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel Kenneth, Can you send a photo? The mandrel itself is press fit on so if only the mandrel is bad that can be replaced as the home and triump mandrels are all the same and easy to find. If the rod itself is damaged that can be machined as the end gate pivot is adjustible. If the pivot is messed up again it can be machined. Ron Sitko can replace the mandrel on your shaft. The mandrel and shaft are not one piece. You can often find mint condition 2 minute mandrels for two minute machines, I have seen them sell for around $50 on eBay. TDB is a Model B Triumph upgrade mandrel, but if only the mandrel is damaged that is very easy to replace. I would suggest in the future when you have a problem describe it first so that you can get the best advice on how to fix it instead of making assumptions that may be a lot more costly. Steve Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:43:12 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel Steve, the mandrel on my Triumph is 4 10/16 as close as I can masure and on it is stamped TDB and maybe a very faint I but very hard to tell. Looks like someone hit the mandrel on the gate end and put it slightly out of round so I fear putting a 2 minute wax record on it that it might crack. I would really like to replace this with one in very respectable condition as my machine is in very nice original condition. Maybe someone could help me with this and sell me one they have. Kenneth From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel Hello Kenneth, On the mandrel as you are facing the machine and the crank is on you right the markings on the mandrel will be on the left of the mandel on the side with the two holes. On the feed screw it is marked on the left as well. Most people never notice the markings, what model of Triumph do you have? Below is my upgrade mandrel article. I included the info on the Triumph C but with so few known it is very unlikely you will ever see one. Steve I was able to find a copy of a letter Edison sent to his dealers telling about the different mandrel upgrades for the home and triumphs. If the dealers needed a letter, how much more will this information help us? Here are some things that I have found from the letter and myself. The lengths of the triumph feed screws are as follows: The A is 4 27/32 and is marked T D A I and TA on the feedscrew and the mandrel. The B is 5 and is marked T D B I, TBI, or just a large TB on the mandrel and the end of the feed screw is also marked. The C is 5 1/4 and is marked T D C I on the feedscrew and the mandrel. I have never seen a C except for a pulley. The D and E (and F I assume) is marked T D only. The pulley is marked with an A B C or D. Homes: The home is marked H B I, IHB or H A B I for the A B and H C for C. The home D and higher is marked H D. If you put a Triumph B mandrel on a Triumph A you have to move the upper bedplate to the right all the way to compensate or the belt hits where it goes through the lower bedplate. My Triumph A has a B mandrel on it. I believe the pulleys are the same, and think the shifters on the C kits have the lip like the D and higher does, but I have only seen one home C and one triumph C with the kit so I can’t say for certain. Less than 7 Triumph C’s are known and the Home C is very uncommon. Until I saw this letter on eBay (I did not win it but purchased a photocopy from the winner) I did not know they made 5 different ones. If anyone wants a copy of the letter e-mail to them please contact me. Steve Terry Baer: The model C used a unique mandrel assembly with captured bearing. Picture an early two minute mandrel shaft. Remove the mandrel and turn down the area under the mandrel to about 5/16 leaving the larger 5/8 feedscrew. Now slip on a bearing that is 5/8 OD 5/16 ID. Now slip on a mandrel with smaller 5/16 holes on both ends. Now slip the whole assembly in the
[Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel
Hello everyone, I am in need of a Triumph mandrel and rod for a 2/4 conversion. I have all the other parts but hope someone here has one they can sell. Please contact me off list. Just a note, I am still working on my story and hope to have it finished soon for all to read. Thanks, Kenneth ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel
Steve, Where are they marked on the mandrel/feed screw? I will look again but I didn't notice any markings. Ken From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel There are three different lengths. There are three for the triumph and two for the home and they are all marked on the mandrel and the feed screw, which do you have? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:04:04 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel Hello everyone, I am in need of a Triumph mandrel and rod for a 2/4 conversion. I have all the other parts but hope someone here has one they can sell. Please contact me off list. Just a note, I am still working on my story and hope to have it finished soon for all to read. Thanks, Kenneth ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel
Steve, the mandrel on my Triumph is 4 10/16 as close as I can masure and on it is stamped TDB and maybe a very faint I but very hard to tell. Looks like someone hit the mandrel on the gate end and put it slightly out of round so I fear putting a 2 minute wax record on it that it might crack. I would really like to replace this with one in very respectable condition as my machine is in very nice original condition. Maybe someone could help me with this and sell me one they have. Kenneth From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel Hello Kenneth, On the mandrel as you are facing the machine and the crank is on you right the markings on the mandrel will be on the left of the mandel on the side with the two holes. On the feed screw it is marked on the left as well. Most people never notice the markings, what model of Triumph do you have? Below is my upgrade mandrel article. I included the info on the Triumph C but with so few known it is very unlikely you will ever see one. Steve I was able to find a copy of a letter Edison sent to his dealers telling about the different mandrel upgrades for the home and triumphs. If the dealers needed a letter, how much more will this information help us? Here are some things that I have found from the letter and myself. The lengths of the triumph feed screws are as follows: The A is 4 27/32 and is marked T D A I and TA on the feedscrew and the mandrel. The B is 5 and is marked T D B I, TBI, or just a large TB on the mandrel and the end of the feed screw is also marked. The C is 5 1/4 and is marked T D C I on the feedscrew and the mandrel. I have never seen a C except for a pulley. The D and E (and F I assume) is marked T D only. The pulley is marked with an A B C or D. Homes: The home is marked H B I, IHB or H A B I for the A B and H C for C. The home D and higher is marked H D. If you put a Triumph B mandrel on a Triumph A you have to move the upper bedplate to the right all the way to compensate or the belt hits where it goes through the lower bedplate. My Triumph A has a B mandrel on it. I believe the pulleys are the same, and think the shifters on the C kits have the lip like the D and higher does, but I have only seen one home C and one triumph C with the kit so I can’t say for certain. Less than 7 Triumph C’s are known and the Home C is very uncommon. Until I saw this letter on eBay (I did not win it but purchased a photocopy from the winner) I did not know they made 5 different ones. If anyone wants a copy of the letter e-mail to them please contact me. Steve Terry Baer: The model C used a unique mandrel assembly with captured bearing. Picture an early two minute mandrel shaft. Remove the mandrel and turn down the area under the mandrel to about 5/16 leaving the larger 5/8 feedscrew. Now slip on a bearing that is 5/8 OD 5/16 ID. Now slip on a mandrel with smaller 5/16 holes on both ends. Now slip the whole assembly in the top works. Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:22:10 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel Steve, Where are they marked on the mandrel/feed screw? I will look again but I didn't notice any markings. Ken From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel There are three different lengths. There are three for the triumph and two for the home and they are all marked on the mandrel and the feed screw, which do you have? Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:04:04 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for triumph mandrel Hello everyone, I am in need of a Triumph mandrel and rod for a 2/4 conversion. I have all the other parts but hope someone here has one they can sell. Please contact me off list. Just a note, I am still working on my story and hope to have it finished soon for all to read. Thanks, Kenneth ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
John, That was the most heart felt message I have received in long time. Thnak you for up lifting my spirit and reminding me that I have many that care about me and many of those people are right here on Phono-L. You have give me strength and peace of mind. Your message was well reveived and I really respect our friendship. And most of all, thank you for reminding me I am never alone as long as I have friends here. I would really like it if you would give me a call tomarrow if you have time. Number is 863-243-1011 I have listed this openly in Phono-L as anyone is welcome to call me and talk about phono's and anything else. It helps me beat the loneliness of being so isolated in this town. Kenneth From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Hi Ken Wow! For all the years we've been friends, I continue to be amazed and really proud of you and what you are doing. I know you have been going through hard times for several years, and getting to the treatment you need is difficult from where you are living. I admire your courage and strength of character! Thank you for standing up for those who can't, for speaking out when others are silent, and for educating the public on the need for self-protection and awareness. I wish you all the best and offer my strength for you to draw on whenever you need it. You might be in a small, sheltered town, but you are never alone. Love, John From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, July 29, 2012 9:06:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK John Robles along with everyone else, I don't think I said anything about it but I just returned from a 4 day visit to Washington DC, I attended the Internation AIDS Conference held every four years, where the AIDS Heath Care Foundation (AHF) paid for my travel, hotel stay, food and driver sence with my Avascular Necrosis would not beable to do all the walking that it would take if I was on foot and I am in need of a total left hip replacement. AHF is a interneation Not-For-Profit organization that covers 22 countrys, out of all 22 countries the USA is the only one that has Waiting List for people under insured, low income or without insurance at all. AHF requested me to speak at the conference so I had to prepair a 15 to 20 mintue speach and I address a croud in the conference room at the hotel I was staying in and there was roughly 1800 people that attended that gathering. I love doing things like this, as it gives me something positive to do and hope my efforts help reduce the number of newly infected people each year. The infection rage in the USA is averaged to about 1 person every 16 minutes. That for me and my view is just not acceptable and with all we know about HIV and how it is passed, the newly infected rate with in the USA is not acceptable. 30 years into the crisis and still not all people know how to protect themselves and education is a major part in prevention. I am so happy I was able and asked to do this. This is the first time the conference has been held in the USA. Before Obama lifted the ban on people with HIV/AIDS entering this country the conference has had to be held in other countries. I can honestly say I am very PROUD of what I do and it makes me happy to even know I might prevent even one person from becoming infected. My calling came after I helped one of my best long time friends die and watching this and how long and painful with all the suffering he went through I just knew I had to become involved and do something. I hope that this does not turn anyone off sence I know this is a scary and touchy subject and I have had negitive reactions from people before but I know and have seen how supporting the Phono Collecting community is and I am very thankful for that. I am also thankful that I am able to continue to collect phonographs and graphophones as this has been my 19 year passion and I just love it. Here in the small mile square town that I live in I was really happy to take some of my machines into the middle annd high school and educate and show the kids where there Cd's and other recording medium and where it all started from. I was very hard pressed to find even one kid that ever had seen, heard or every was taught the history of recorded sound. Here's wishing everyone good health and much happiness in the future, Kenneth Keeton PS: If it was not for my computer and android phone I would not have been able to keep up with the messages or post my own here on Phono-L while I was away. I am so thankful for that. From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l
Re: [Phono-L] Ken Keeton
John, Your always welcome to call me when ever you have time. I normally stay up at night so it's no problem to call ofter your done with your day. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Kenneth From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ken Keeton Oops, let's remember to change topics!! Hey Kenneth I will do my best. Our time zones are different, and I get off work at 8:30 p.m. your time, and I have an appointment at 9:00 your time. How late can I call? John From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, July 30, 2012 6:29:32 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK John, That was the most heart felt message I have received in long time. Thnak you for up lifting my spirit and reminding me that I have many that care about me and many of those people are right here on Phono-L. You have give me strength and peace of mind. Your message was well reveived and I really respect our friendship. And most of all, thank you for reminding me I am never alone as long as I have friends here. I would really like it if you would give me a call tomarrow if you have time. Number is 863-243-1011 I have listed this openly in Phono-L as anyone is welcome to call me and talk about phono's and anything else. It helps me beat the loneliness of being so isolated in this town. Kenneth From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Hi Ken Wow! For all the years we've been friends, I continue to be amazed and really proud of you and what you are doing. I know you have been going through hard times for several years, and getting to the treatment you need is difficult from where you are living. I admire your courage and strength of character! Thank you for standing up for those who can't, for speaking out when others are silent, and for educating the public on the need for self-protection and awareness. I wish you all the best and offer my strength for you to draw on whenever you need it. You might be in a small, sheltered town, but you are never alone. Love, John From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, July 29, 2012 9:06:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK John Robles along with everyone else, I don't think I said anything about it but I just returned from a 4 day visit to Washington DC, I attended the Internation AIDS Conference held every four years, where the AIDS Heath Care Foundation (AHF) paid for my travel, hotel stay, food and driver sence with my Avascular Necrosis would not beable to do all the walking that it would take if I was on foot and I am in need of a total left hip replacement. AHF is a interneation Not-For-Profit organization that covers 22 countrys, out of all 22 countries the USA is the only one that has Waiting List for people under insured, low income or without insurance at all. AHF requested me to speak at the conference so I had to prepair a 15 to 20 mintue speach and I address a croud in the conference room at the hotel I was staying in and there was roughly 1800 people that attended that gathering. I love doing things like this, as it gives me something positive to do and hope my efforts help reduce the number of newly infected people each year. The infection rage in the USA is averaged to about 1 person every 16 minutes. That for me and my view is just not acceptable and with all we know about HIV and how it is passed, the newly infected rate with in the USA is not acceptable. 30 years into the crisis and still not all people know how to protect themselves and education is a major part in prevention. I am so happy I was able and asked to do this. This is the first time the conference has been held in the USA. Before Obama lifted the ban on people with HIV/AIDS entering this country the conference has had to be held in other countries. I can honestly say I am very PROUD of what I do and it makes me happy to even know I might prevent even one person from becoming infected. My calling came after I helped one of my best long time friends die and watching this and how long and painful with all the suffering he went through I just knew I had to become involved and do something. I hope that this does not turn anyone off sence I know this is a scary and touchy subject and I have had negitive reactions from people before but I know and have seen how supporting the Phono Collecting community is and I am very thankful for that. I am also thankful that I am able to continue to collect
Re: [Phono-L] Apology to all
Everyone, It had been suggested to me by a couple of people to right up my story about how I fisrt got the Phono Fever at the age of 26 years old. Unfortunately it will contain parts of my life away form the topic of Phonos as I overcame major life issues. I guess now it would be inappropriate to post my story here. If any of you that encouraged me to do this, and if you still would like to read my story, please contact me off board. As I donot want to cause problems or get people here upset with me. I to am sorry for posting my off topic personal major life event. I really did not mean to ruffle anyones feathers, Kenneth From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Apology to all John, You owe no one an apology. Yes, one purpose of the list is to share further knowledge about the hobby. Phono-L is also a conduit for socialization among those of us who share common bonds. Folks, if you get your panties in a wad over some non-phono related chatter, run your own listserve and make the rules. Hang out here, you play by my rules. Thanks, Loran On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, John Robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Good morning all. I received an email this morning from a list member stating that it would be nice if I did not use Phono-L for my personal email or soapbox, and that not everyone wants to hear all this. It was further stated that the purpose of Phono-L was to share and further our knowledge about our shared hobby. That is true. I simply responded to a public message that was posted by a list member. I had written him privately asking him to let me know how he was doing. He answered publicly. Was it off subject? Yes. I did not use the list as a soap box' I merely made a compassionate response to a list member's message. I assume he received a similar response. I also assume that if the medical issue had been cancer or some other mainstream ailment, I would not have been accused of being on my soapbox, which implies a political attitude. Be that as it may, I am sorry if my public response to a public message offended anyone. I will try to keep my compassion for suffering private from now on. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Apology to all
Ron L, I just to not want to get someone mad at me for posting. I will just keep my post phono related and not swing away from that. I find it a loss but I do not make the rules. Kenneth From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Apology to all Non phono things have to part of your story. I saw my first phono ( which I now own) when I was in first grade. Talking about school has nothing to do with phonos but everything to do with the story. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken aka: OnATorrent Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Apology to all Everyone, It had been suggested to me by a couple of people to right up my story about how I fisrt got the Phono Fever at the age of 26 years old. Unfortunately it will contain parts of my life away form the topic of Phonos as I overcame major life issues. I guess now it would be inappropriate to post my story here. If any of you that encouraged me to do this, and if you still would like to read my story, please contact me off board. As I donot want to cause problems or get people here upset with me. I to am sorry for posting my off topic personal major life event. I really did not mean to ruffle anyones feathers, Kenneth From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Apology to all John, You owe no one an apology. Yes, one purpose of the list is to share further knowledge about the hobby. Phono-L is also a conduit for socialization among those of us who share common bonds. Folks, if you get your panties in a wad over some non-phono related chatter, run your own listserve and make the rules. Hang out here, you play by my rules. Thanks, Loran On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, John Robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Good morning all. I received an email this morning from a list member stating that it would be nice if I did not use Phono-L for my personal email or soapbox, and that not everyone wants to hear all this. It was further stated that the purpose of Phono-L was to share and further our knowledge about our shared hobby. That is true. I simply responded to a public message that was posted by a list member. I had written him privately asking him to let me know how he was doing. He answered publicly. Was it off subject? Yes. I did not use the list as a soap box' I merely made a compassionate response to a list member's message. I assume he received a similar response. I also assume that if the medical issue had been cancer or some other mainstream ailment, I would not have been accused of being on my soapbox, which implies a political attitude. Be that as it may, I am sorry if my public response to a public message offended anyone. I will try to keep my compassion for suffering private from now on. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
You guys are so funny. Maybe it will save me from the loneliness of being single and in a rural mile square town and it being over 100 miles from the nearest city. Ho, John, I am getting a emial ready for you and will send it soon, I started on it last night and then my medications got to me and I felt really sick and went to bed. I will try and shoot it off tonight Buddy. Ken From: Carl Wright taeri...@att.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Until you try it do laugh. It will save you money and time finding one. Carl On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent wrote: OH MY GOD, TO funny! Ken From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK We start out looking for a screw, and end up holding the nuts with vise grips. Oh, the humanity! Sent from my iPad -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Carl Wright taeri...@att.net wrote: I took two 5-40 nuts locked them together on the screw. Then with a Dremel with a thin cut off blade and holding the nuts with vice grips. I cut the nut and screw at the same time. You loose a nut but it is easier to put in a slot in the small screw. Carl Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com wrote: I am just about to head out to a hardware store that everyone has suggested in this area and see what I can find in 5-40 and then I will go from there.. Wish me luck! Ken From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK The main problem with finding set screws, is not the 5-40 thread, it is the slot, as opposed to a socket head. I have a local fastener company that stocks a bazillion screws of all types and shapes and has plenty of stock, but slotted are real hard to find, unless they are new old stock. Collectors of antique machinery of all types have bought up all of the available stock of slotted screws. I recently searched for any size slotted set screws for my restoration of a Fairy Phono Lamp - no luck - not that they might be out there somewhere, just not commonly available any more. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:21:17 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Ron, I don't know George Vollema that I know of. Is he here in the Phono-L list ? If not how do I contact him? Ken ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
John Robles along with everyone else, I don't think I said anything about it but I just returned from a 4 day visit to Washington DC, I attended the Internation AIDS Conference held every four years, where the AIDS Heath Care Foundation (AHF) paid for my travel, hotel stay, food and driver sence with my Avascular Necrosis would not beable to do all the walking that it would take if I was on foot and I am in need of a total left hip replacement. AHF is a interneation Not-For-Profit organization that covers 22 countrys, out of all 22 countries the USA is the only one that has Waiting List for people under insured, low income or without insurance at all. AHF requested me to speak at the conference so I had to prepair a 15 to 20 mintue speach and I address a croud in the conference room at the hotel I was staying in and there was roughly 1800 people that attended that gathering. I love doing things like this, as it gives me something positive to do and hope my efforts help reduce the number of newly infected people each year. The infection rage in the USA is averaged to about 1 person every 16 minutes. That for me and my view is just not acceptable and with all we know about HIV and how it is passed, the newly infected rate with in the USA is not acceptable. 30 years into the crisis and still not all people know how to protect themselves and education is a major part in prevention. I am so happy I was able and asked to do this. This is the first time the conference has been held in the USA. Before Obama lifted the ban on people with HIV/AIDS entering this country the conference has had to be held in other countries. I can honestly say I am very PROUD of what I do and it makes me happy to even know I might prevent even one person from becoming infected. My calling came after I helped one of my best long time friends die and watching this and how long and painful with all the suffering he went through I just knew I had to become involved and do something. I hope that this does not turn anyone off sence I know this is a scary and touchy subject and I have had negitive reactions from people before but I know and have seen how supporting the Phono Collecting community is and I am very thankful for that. I am also thankful that I am able to continue to collect phonographs and graphophones as this has been my 19 year passion and I just love it. Here in the small mile square town that I live in I was really happy to take some of my machines into the middle annd high school and educate and show the kids where there Cd's and other recording medium and where it all started from. I was very hard pressed to find even one kid that ever had seen, heard or every was taught the history of recorded sound. Here's wishing everyone good health and much happiness in the future, Kenneth Keeton PS: If it was not for my computer and android phone I would not have been able to keep up with the messages or post my own here on Phono-L while I was away. I am so thankful for that. From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK I'll look forward to it Ken. Be well, my friend. John On Jul 29, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are so funny. Maybe it will save me from the loneliness of being single and in a rural mile square town and it being over 100 miles from the nearest city. Ho, John, I am getting a emial ready for you and will send it soon, I started on it last night and then my medications got to me and I felt really sick and went to bed. I will try and shoot it off tonight Buddy. Ken From: Carl Wright taeri...@att.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Until you try it do laugh. It will save you money and time finding one. Carl On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent wrote: OH MY GOD, TO funny! Ken From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK We start out looking for a screw, and end up holding the nuts with vise grips. Oh, the humanity! Sent from my iPad -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Carl Wright taeri...@att.net wrote: I took two 5-40 nuts locked them together on the screw. Then with a Dremel with a thin cut off blade and holding the nuts with vice grips. I cut the nut and screw at the same time. You loose a nut but it is easier to put in a slot in the small screw. Carl Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Ken aka
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
OH MY GOD, TO funny! Ken From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK We start out looking for a screw, and end up holding the nuts with vise grips. Oh, the humanity! Sent from my iPad -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Carl Wright taeri...@att.net wrote: I took two 5-40 nuts locked them together on the screw. Then with a Dremel with a thin cut off blade and holding the nuts with vice grips. I cut the nut and screw at the same time. You loose a nut but it is easier to put in a slot in the small screw. Carl Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com wrote: I am just about to head out to a hardware store that everyone has suggested in this area and see what I can find in 5-40 and then I will go from there.. Wish me luck! Ken From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK The main problem with finding set screws, is not the 5-40 thread, it is the slot, as opposed to a socket head. I have a local fastener company that stocks a bazillion screws of all types and shapes and has plenty of stock, but slotted are real hard to find, unless they are new old stock. Collectors of antique machinery of all types have bought up all of the available stock of slotted screws. I recently searched for any size slotted set screws for my restoration of a Fairy Phono Lamp - no luck - not that they might be out there somewhere, just not commonly available any more. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:21:17 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Ron, I don't know George Vollema that I know of. Is he here in the Phono-L list ? If not how do I contact him? Ken ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of....
Hello all, Can any one give me some insight into the Columbia Disc Graphophone BWT? I have not been able to find any info on this model and if it is a correct model to even beging with. I know that Columbia parted some machines together but this I have never heard of before. Any help would be most welcomed, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of....
Harvey, I have never seen a machine like this from Columbia and I am interested in getting it but I sure do not want to over pay for it and I have no idea what the valuse on something like this would be. If you could provide some insight in the value of something like that. Any insight in the value you could help me with would be just great. I will wait on your reply. Take care until I hear from you about the BWT Disc Graphophone. Thanks, Ken From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:46 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of Hello all, Can any one give me some insight into the Columbia Disc Graphophone BWT? I have not been able to find any info on this model and if it is a correct model to even beging with. I know that Columbia parted some machines together but this I have never heard of before. Any help would be most welcomed, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Oh, I am so sorry if I forgot to do that, I will make sure to try and remember from how on. Ken From: DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Subject line Just a friendly reminder to CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE when replying to a topic. Thanks, Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
I am just about to head out to a hardware store that everyone has suggested in this area and see what I can find in 5-40 and then I will go from there. Wish me luck! Ken From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK The main problem with finding set screws, is not the 5-40 thread, it is the slot, as opposed to a socket head. I have a local fastener company that stocks a bazillion screws of all types and shapes and has plenty of stock, but slotted are real hard to find, unless they are new old stock. Collectors of antique machinery of all types have bought up all of the available stock of slotted screws. I recently searched for any size slotted set screws for my restoration of a Fairy Phono Lamp - no luck - not that they might be out there somewhere, just not commonly available any more. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:21:17 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Ron, I don't know George Vollema that I know of. Is he here in the Phono-L list ? If not how do I contact him? Ken From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK I think you are looking for a set screw, or grub screw, probably slotted. Try searching for that. have you asked George Vollema? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken aka: OnATorrent Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Hello all, I am looking now for a headless screw for a Columba BK. It is the size 5-40 and holds the rod that he caraige slides across above the feed screw and gear. It's for the rod that is in front of the mandrel. There is only one screw and it goes on the left side of the rod. This is the BK with the black bedplate. I am hoping I can find some one with an original one that I do not have to alter. I called Dwyane Wyatt and he only has one that I would have to screw in and then cut off. That is not the way I want to go about it if I can help it. If any one has one I would be very happy to purchase it. I would also like to thank EVERYONE for all the help I have been given here. I live in a very rural mile square town with it being over 100 miles to the nearest city. It is so nice to be able to be in contact with other collectors even though I do not get to meet anyone face to face. Maybe I will be able to make it to the next Orlando, Florida show and get to see some old friends and make some new ones. Kenneth From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. Hi Ken,Please explain what you meant by the right hand side of the attachment was missing... If it is just the bearing on the right side, you already have one in your machine. He couldn't be referring to the feedscrew, since that is permanently attached to the 2/4 gearing. The only other thing would be the feedscrew tube, which you also already have. So, if he has the feedscrew with the round gear case assembly attached and he has the BE plate that has the locking post on it, you should be good. You might also need the screws to attach the plate and the tube. Send a pic if you have one. Also, let me know what he is asking, if you don't mind. My email is: vinyl(dot)visions(at)live(dot)comCurt Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:45:35 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. I have a large collection of Edison 2 minute cylinders and was just in fear that he diamond stylus in the H stylus would carve out or damage the grooves in the was cylinders. I know what you mean about wax breaking. I just broke my copy of Bake Dat Chicken Pie and I was almost in tears over it. Lucky for me I found someone willing to sell thiers and it is in better condition than mine was. So I guess it all worke out for the good. But thanks for your input. I think I have found a 2/4 minute attachment for my Sears Oxford that was made after the BKT so the BK conversion attachment will work on it. How cool is that? Still no luck on a complete Colubia BE 2/4 minute attachment. I found someone that has most of one but missing the right hand side of it. I told him if he can find the other part I would be more than happy to buy it. Again, thanks for all your help, Ken
Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of....
That was the one I was looking at, what do you think about it? good buy or not? Kenneth From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of Here is one for $1295.00 - http://www.phonographs.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=1889 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:26:44 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of The Columbia BWT is a disc machine that uses a Talkophone Brooke case. After the lawsuits between Columbia and Talkophone, Columbia bought out Talkophone as a settlement. As a result, you'll see Talkophone cases with Columbia mechanical parts. The BWT is one of them. Hope this helps. Harvey Kravitz From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:46 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of Hello all, Can any one give me some insight into the Columbia Disc Graphophone BWT? I have not been able to find any info on this model and if it is a correct model to even beging with. I know that Columbia parted some machines together but this I have never heard of before. Any help would be most welcomed, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
Witch lenght do you suggest? I have a drill and can file the tip with a file. Kenneth From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK You buy a 5-40 filster head machine screw, chuck it into your electric drill and file down the head. http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/MSCMSF.cfm On 07/26/2012 11:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: The main problem with finding set screws, is not the 5-40 thread, it is the slot, as opposed to a socket head. I have a local fastener company that stocks a bazillion screws of all types and shapes and has plenty of stock, but slotted are real hard to find, unless they are new old stock. Collectors of antique machinery of all types have bought up all of the available stock of slotted screws. I recently searched for any size slotted set screws for my restoration of a Fairy Phono Lamp - no luck - not that they might be out there somewhere, just not commonly available any more. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:21:17 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Ron, I don't know George Vollema that I know of. Is he here in the Phono-L list ? If not how do I contact him? Ken From: Ron L'Heraultlhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK I think you are looking for a set screw, or grub screw, probably slotted. Try searching for that. have you asked George Vollema? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken aka: OnATorrent Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Hello all, I am looking now for a headless screw for a Columba BK. It is the size 5-40 and holds the rod that he caraige slides across above the feed screw and gear. It's for the rod that is in front of the mandrel. There is only one screw and it goes on the left side of the rod. This is the BK with the black bedplate. I am hoping I can find some one with an original one that I do not have to alter. I called Dwyane Wyatt and he only has one that I would have to screw in and then cut off. That is not the way I want to go about it if I can help it. If any one has one I would be very happy to purchase it. I would also like to thank EVERYONE for all the help I have been given here. I live in a very rural mile square town with it being over 100 miles to the nearest city. It is so nice to be able to be in contact with other collectors even though I do not get to meet anyone face to face. Maybe I will be able to make it to the next Orlando, Florida show and get to see some old friends and make some new ones. Kenneth From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. Hi Ken,Please explain what you meant by the right hand side of the attachment was missing... If it is just the bearing on the right side, you already have one in your machine. He couldn't be referring to the feedscrew, since that is permanently attached to the 2/4 gearing. The only other thing would be the feedscrew tube, which you also already have. So, if he has the feedscrew with the round gear case assembly attached and he has the BE plate that has the locking post on it, you should be good. You might also need the screws to attach the plate and the tube. Send a pic if you have one. Also, let me know what he is asking, if you don't mind. My email is: vinyl(dot)visions(at)live(dot)comCurt Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:45:35 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. I have a large collection of Edison 2 minute cylinders and was just in fear that he diamond stylus in the H stylus would carve out or damage the grooves in the was cylinders. I know what you mean about wax breaking. I just broke my copy of Bake Dat Chicken Pie and I was almost in tears over it. Lucky for me I found someone willing to sell thiers and it is in better condition than mine was. So I guess it all worke out for the good. But thanks for your input. I think I have found a 2/4 minute attachment for my Sears Oxford that was made after the BKT so the BK conversion attachment will work on it. How cool is that? Still no luck on a complete Colubia BE 2/4 minute attachment. I found someone that has most of one but missing the right hand side of it. I told him if he can find the other
[Phono-L] Need a Lyric reproducer....
Hey everyone, I have a friend that has a Columbia BK 2/4 min. attachment that looks like he is going to sell it to me. I need a second Lyric reproducer so i can have a Edison H Stylus installed to play 4 minute cylinders. If anyone happends to have one please contact me off board at my email address of onatorr...@yahoo.com. Thanks everyone, Kenneth From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Witch lenght do you suggest? I have a drill and can file the tip with a file. Kenneth From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK You buy a 5-40 filster head machine screw, chuck it into your electric drill and file down the head. http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/MSCMSF.cfm On 07/26/2012 11:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: The main problem with finding set screws, is not the 5-40 thread, it is the slot, as opposed to a socket head. I have a local fastener company that stocks a bazillion screws of all types and shapes and has plenty of stock, but slotted are real hard to find, unless they are new old stock. Collectors of antique machinery of all types have bought up all of the available stock of slotted screws. I recently searched for any size slotted set screws for my restoration of a Fairy Phono Lamp - no luck - not that they might be out there somewhere, just not commonly available any more. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:21:17 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Ron, I don't know George Vollema that I know of. Is he here in the Phono-L list ? If not how do I contact him? Ken From: Ron L'Heraultlhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK I think you are looking for a set screw, or grub screw, probably slotted. Try searching for that. have you asked George Vollema? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken aka: OnATorrent Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Hello all, I am looking now for a headless screw for a Columba BK. It is the size 5-40 and holds the rod that he caraige slides across above the feed screw and gear. It's for the rod that is in front of the mandrel. There is only one screw and it goes on the left side of the rod. This is the BK with the black bedplate. I am hoping I can find some one with an original one that I do not have to alter. I called Dwyane Wyatt and he only has one that I would have to screw in and then cut off. That is not the way I want to go about it if I can help it. If any one has one I would be very happy to purchase it. I would also like to thank EVERYONE for all the help I have been given here. I live in a very rural mile square town with it being over 100 miles to the nearest city. It is so nice to be able to be in contact with other collectors even though I do not get to meet anyone face to face. Maybe I will be able to make it to the next Orlando, Florida show and get to see some old friends and make some new ones. Kenneth From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. Hi Ken,Please explain what you meant by the right hand side of the attachment was missing... If it is just the bearing on the right side, you already have one in your machine. He couldn't be referring to the feedscrew, since that is permanently attached to the 2/4 gearing. The only other thing would be the feedscrew tube, which you also already have. So, if he has the feedscrew with the round gear case assembly attached and he has the BE plate that has the locking post on it, you should be good. You might also need the screws to attach the plate and the tube. Send a pic if you have one. Also, let me know what he is asking, if you don't mind. My email is: vinyl(dot)visions(at)live(dot)comCurt Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:45:35 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. I have a large collection of Edison 2 minute cylinders and was just in fear that he diamond stylus in the H stylus would carve out or damage the grooves in the was cylinders. I know what you mean about wax breaking. I just
Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of....
Ya, I was thinking the same thing too, that it was to high of a price for that machine. Ken From: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of Too high in today's market. -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Jul 26, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of That was the one I was looking at, what do you think about it? good buy or not? enneth From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:46 PM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never een or heard of Here is one for $1295.00 - ttp://www.phonographs.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=1889 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:26:44 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have ever seen or heard of The Columbia BWT is a disc machine that uses a Talkophone Brooke case. After he lawsuits between Columbia and Talkophone, Columbia bought out Talkophone as settlement. As a result, you'll see Talkophone cases with Columbia mechanical arts. The BWT is one of them. Hope this helps. Harvey Kravitz From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:46 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never een or heard of Hello all, Can any one give me some insight into the Columbia Disc Graphophone BWT? I ave not been able to find any info on this model and if it is a correct model o even beging with. I know that Columbia parted some machines together but his I have never heard of before. Any help would be most welcomed, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org/ __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment.
vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, If you would like to see what a BE conversion looks like, go to our webpage: http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com/ After clicking on ENTER, you will be on the page with a woman and Nipper - at the top of the page, click on the link Columbia BF 2-4 minute conversion I recently did the same thing you are attempting to do with your BE, to my BF machine. However, I could not find the actual BF conversion kit and adapted a BE conversion kit to work. The main difference between the two is the length of the feedscrew. The BE is approx. 8 long and the BF is approx. 10 long - the adaptation would not have worked in reverse - a BF kit will not work on a BE. No one seemed to know much about Columbia 2/4 conversions when I was researching mine earlier this year, so I have learned quite a bit about them. First, if you find a kit, it has to include a feedscrew with the gearing attached and an adapter plate with a locking post for the conversion to work. Make sure all the parts are there before purchasing one, because they are a needle in a haystack to find. The pics of my machine with the BE adapter on it are on the above website. Although, Columbia made the adapter kits to be used with a number of machines, they apparently did not make many of them because the cost for the adapter was almost as much as the original machine and Columbia did not make 4 minute cylinders (other than the Indestructible brand). It was also at the end of the cylinder age, when most people were starting to opt for disc records. Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:32:56 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. David, I went back and check with the Columbia Phonograph Companion Vol. 1, and you are very right. There was more than one attachmemt made to work. on different machines. Oops, Thank you for correcting me. I should have double checked my facts before talking out of foggy memory and scatchy mental pictues. Still I would love to find a BE 2/4 minute attachment. I wander if the other attachment for the BK might work on my Columbia Oxford, it was based on the BK but my Oxford Machinehad has the bedplate and gearing all look to be identical to the BK. The Oxford case is plain with trim around bedplate and base of machine. It is correct to be without decals of any kind other than the double pinsripe on the Japaned black lacker bedplate. Information passed on to me by Tim Fabrizio about the interesting fact that they did not decal the case at all, just plane oak. The tone arm conmected to the horn support is painted glossy black to match the backmount and bedplate, the elbow connecting to the reproducer and the slide tube are nickeled. The slide tube just turns under and connects to the elbow unlike the BKT that has a U Tube at the end of the slide. I have a really nice larger Columbia Black Petals Horn with raised accents aound each petal and there this is a double yellow rose decal on each of the petals too. I really like the way it looks with the black parts of the machine. I will attach a photo with this posting so you can see the machine. I am quite proud of it as I am sure you can tell. But not as proud as my mahogany Triumph and Home model A long case. Any ways David, I would like to say thanks for correcting me, I have learned many things from the post that have been made here. Kenneth Keeton PS:The Picture of my Oxford Cylinder Phonograph is as an Attachment within this post. From: drbor...@aol.com drbor...@aol.com To: onatorr...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Fwd: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, I believe the 2/4 minute attachment for a BE, BF, and BG is different than used on the BK, BO and BQ. I think I have a complete 2/4 minute attachment for the later, but I think it is different than what you need. If you are interested in the attachment for a BK, BO, or BQ, let me know and I'll locate it and send some pictures. Regards, David Boruff -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 9:34 am Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Hello all, I posted a message several days ago and saw no replys. I have a Columbia BE in fantastic condition and I would really love to find a 2/4 minute attachment for it. It is the same attachment that fits the BK, BF, BG, BO and the BQ. If anyone has a complete attachment for sale I
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment.
, Thanks for all the information. I printed it out so I can refer back to it later. I do that with some posts so that it is easy for me to remember and cataloged. Thanks again, Kenneth PS: I book marked your welcome page. From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, If you would like to see what a BE conversion looks like, go to our webpage: http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com/ After clicking on ENTER, you will be on the page with a woman and Nipper - at the top of the page, click on the link Columbia BF 2-4 minute conversion I recently did the same thing you are attempting to do with your BE, to my BF machine. However, I could not find the actual BF conversion kit and adapted a BE conversion kit to work. The main difference between the two is the length of the feedscrew. The BE is approx. 8 long and the BF is approx. 10 long - the adaptation would not have worked in reverse - a BF kit will not work on a BE. No one seemed to know much about Columbia 2/4 conversions when I was researching mine earlier this year, so I have learned quite a bit about them. First, if you find a kit, it has to include a feedscrew with the gearing attached and an adapter plate with a locking post for the conversion to work. Make sure all the parts are there before purchasing one, because they are a needle in a haystack to find. The pics of my machine with the BE adapter on it are on the above website. Although, Columbia made the adapter kits to be used with a number of machines, they apparently did not make many of them because the cost for the adapter was almost as much as the original machine and Columbia did not make 4 minute cylinders (other than the Indestructible brand). It was also at the end of the cylinder age, when most people were starting to opt for disc records. Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:32:56 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. David, I went back and check with the Columbia Phonograph Companion Vol. 1, and you are very right. There was more than one attachmemt made to work. on different machines. Oops, Thank you for correcting me. I should have double checked my facts before talking out of foggy memory and scatchy mental pictues. Still I would love to find a BE 2/4 minute attachment. I wander if the other attachment for the BK might work on my Columbia Oxford, it was based on the BK but my Oxford Machinehad has the bedplate and gearing all look to be identical to the BK. The Oxford case is plain with trim around bedplate and base of machine. It is correct to be without decals of any kind other than the double pinsripe on the Japaned black lacker bedplate. Information passed on to me by Tim Fabrizio about the interesting fact that they did not decal the case at all, just plane oak. The tone arm conmected to the horn support is painted glossy black to match the backmount and bedplate, the elbow connecting to the reproducer and the slide tube are nickeled. The slide tube just turns under and connects to the elbow unlike the BKT that has a U Tube at the end of the slide. I have a really nice larger Columbia Black Petals Horn with raised accents aound each petal and there this is a double yellow rose decal on each of the petals too. I really like the way it looks with the black parts of the machine. I will attach a photo with this posting so you can see the machine. I am quite proud of it as I am sure you can tell. But not as proud as my mahogany Triumph and Home model A long case. Any ways David, I would like to say thanks for correcting me, I have learned many things from the post that have been made here. Kenneth Keeton PS:The Picture of my Oxford Cylinder Phonograph is as an Attachment within this post. From: drbor...@aol.com drbor...@aol.com To: onatorr...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Fwd: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, I believe the 2/4 minute attachment for a BE, BF, and BG is different than used on the BK, BO and BQ. I think I have a complete 2/4 minute attachment for the later, but I think it is different than what you need. If you are interested in the attachment for a BK, BO, or BQ, let me know and I'll locate it and send some pictures. Regards, David Boruff -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 9:34 am Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Hello all
[Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
on the Japaned black lacker bedplate. Information passed on to me by Tim Fabrizio about the interesting fact that they did not decal the case at all, just plane oak. The tone arm conmected to the horn support is painted glossy black to match the backmount and bedplate, the elbow connecting to the reproducer and the slide tube are nickeled. The slide tube just turns under and connects to the elbow unlike the BKT that has a U Tube at the end of the slide. I have a really nice larger Columbia Black Petals Horn with raised accents aound each petal and there this is a double yellow rose decal on each of the petals too. I really like the way it looks with the black parts of the machine. I will attach a photo with this posting so you can see the machine. I am quite proud of it as I am sure you can tell. But not as proud as my mahogany Triumph and Home model A long case. Any ways David, I would like to say thanks for correcting me, I have learned many things from the post that have been made here. Kenneth Keeton PS:The Picture of my Oxford Cylinder Phonograph is as an Attachment within this post. From: drbor...@aol.com drbor...@aol.com To: onatorr...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Fwd: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, I believe the 2/4 minute attachment for a BE, BF, and BG is different than used on the BK, BO and BQ. I think I have a complete 2/4 minute attachment for the later, but I think it is different than what you need. If you are interested in the attachment for a BK, BO, or BQ, let me know and I'll locate it and send some pictures. Regards, David Boruff -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 9:34 am Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Hello all, I posted a message several days ago and saw no replys. I have a Columbia BE in fantastic condition and I would really love to find a 2/4 minute attachment for it. It is the same attachment that fits the BK, BF, BG, BO and the BQ. If anyone has a complete attachment for sale I would really love to know and if you have any leads to where I can find one, it would be most helpful. Thanks much as alwasy, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Oxford Cylinder Phonograph - 2 crop.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1343378 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20120724/71d04ee3/attachm ent.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] My story...
Hello everyone, I made a statement that I was thinking about posting my story here for everyone to read from my introduction to phonographs at the age of 26 in 1993 and followed by my 19 year obsession. I had a great group of people that took me under there wing and guided me and gave me a great education and showed me the ropes on collecting and everything that I needed to know to be a successful collector and all the years I have spent as a younger man. I have had 3 people that wanted me to do this and I just wanted to make sure everyone would be interested in my story of live and collecting through hard times and good. Comments are welcome, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
Ron, I don't know George Vollema that I know of. Is he here in the Phono-L list ? If not how do I contact him? Ken From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK I think you are looking for a set screw, or grub screw, probably slotted. Try searching for that. have you asked George Vollema? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken aka: OnATorrent Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK Hello all, I am looking now for a headless screw for a Columba BK. It is the size 5-40 and holds the rod that he caraige slides across above the feed screw and gear. It's for the rod that is in front of the mandrel. There is only one screw and it goes on the left side of the rod. This is the BK with the black bedplate. I am hoping I can find some one with an original one that I do not have to alter. I called Dwyane Wyatt and he only has one that I would have to screw in and then cut off. That is not the way I want to go about it if I can help it. If any one has one I would be very happy to purchase it. I would also like to thank EVERYONE for all the help I have been given here. I live in a very rural mile square town with it being over 100 miles to the nearest city. It is so nice to be able to be in contact with other collectors even though I do not get to meet anyone face to face. Maybe I will be able to make it to the next Orlando, Florida show and get to see some old friends and make some new ones. Kenneth From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. Hi Ken,Please explain what you meant by the right hand side of the attachment was missing... If it is just the bearing on the right side, you already have one in your machine. He couldn't be referring to the feedscrew, since that is permanently attached to the 2/4 gearing. The only other thing would be the feedscrew tube, which you also already have. So, if he has the feedscrew with the round gear case assembly attached and he has the BE plate that has the locking post on it, you should be good. You might also need the screws to attach the plate and the tube. Send a pic if you have one. Also, let me know what he is asking, if you don't mind. My email is: vinyl(dot)visions(at)live(dot)comCurt Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:45:35 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. I have a large collection of Edison 2 minute cylinders and was just in fear that he diamond stylus in the H stylus would carve out or damage the grooves in the was cylinders. I know what you mean about wax breaking. I just broke my copy of Bake Dat Chicken Pie and I was almost in tears over it. Lucky for me I found someone willing to sell thiers and it is in better condition than mine was. So I guess it all worke out for the good. But thanks for your input. I think I have found a 2/4 minute attachment for my Sears Oxford that was made after the BKT so the BK conversion attachment will work on it. How cool is that? Still no luck on a complete Colubia BE 2/4 minute attachment. I found someone that has most of one but missing the right hand side of it. I told him if he can find the other part I would be more than happy to buy it. Again, thanks for all your help, Ken From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. Hi Ken,Yes, you can play 2 minute cylinders with an H stylus. However, that being said, I am not a big fan of playing wax cylinders. I don't particularly like the brittleness of the original wax and hate it when one breaks... also, I like the music on the Blue Amberols and Indestructibles better, so that is what I collect. Everybody has a different idea about this, but I have a friend who just paid a large sum for a 2 min 6 Columbia cylinder at Union and when he got home it fell out of the box and shattered :( Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:57:04 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. Bob and Curt, If I do have an Edison H Stylus put in my Lyric reproducer by Steven Medved, would I still be able to play 2 minute record with out damage to them? The Edison 4 minute diamond stylus doesn't work on Edison 2 minute records, does it? I have always used a K
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet.
David, I went back and check with the Columbia Phonograph Companion Vol. 1, and you are very right. There was more than one attachmemt made to work. on different machines. Oops, Thank you for correcting me. I should have double checked my facts before talking out of foggy memory and scatchy mental pictues. Still I would love to find a BE 2/4 minute attachment. I wander if the other attachment for the BK might work on my Columbia Oxford, it was based on the BK but my Oxford Machinehad has the bedplate and gearing all look to be identical to the BK. The Oxford case is plain with trim around bedplate and base of machine. It is correct to be without decals of any kind other than the double pinsripe on the Japaned black lacker bedplate. Information passed on to me by Tim Fabrizio about the interesting fact that they did not decal the case at all, just plane oak. The tone arm conmected to the horn support is painted glossy black to match the backmount and bedplate, the elbow connecting to the reproducer and the slide tube are nickeled. The slide tube just turns under and connects to the elbow unlike the BKT that has a U Tube at the end of the slide. I have a really nice larger Columbia Black Petals Horn with raised accents aound each petal and there this is a double yellow rose decal on each of the petals too. I really like the way it looks with the black parts of the machine. I will attach a photo with this posting so you can see the machine. I am quite proud of it as I am sure you can tell. But not as proud as my mahogany Triumph and Home model A long case. Any ways David, I would like to say thanks for correcting me, I have learned many things from the post that have been made here. Kenneth Keeton PS:The Picture of my Oxford Cylinder Phonograph is as an Attachment within this post. From: drbor...@aol.com drbor...@aol.com To: onatorr...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Fwd: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, I believe the 2/4 minute attachment for a BE, BF, and BG is different than used on the BK, BO and BQ. I think I have a complete 2/4 minute attachment for the later, but I think it is different than what you need. If you are interested in the attachment for a BK, BO, or BQ, let me know and I'll locate it and send some pictures. Regards, David Boruff -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 9:34 am Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Hello all, I posted a message several days ago and saw no replys. I have a Columbia BE in fantastic condition and I would really love to find a 2/4 minute attachment for it. It is the same attachment that fits the BK, BF, BG, BO and the BQ. If anyone has a complete attachment for sale I would really love to know and if you have any leads to where I can find one, it would be most helpful. Thanks much as alwasy, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Oxford Cylinder Phonograph - 2 crop.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1343378 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20120724/71d04ee3/attachment.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet.
Curt, Thanks for all the information. I printed it out so I can refer back to it later. I do that with some posts so that it is easy for me to remember and cataloged. Thanks again, Kenneth PS: I book marked your welcome page. From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, If you would like to see what a BE conversion looks like, go to our webpage: http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com/ After clicking on ENTER, you will be on the page with a woman and Nipper - at the top of the page, click on the link Columbia BF 2-4 minute conversion I recently did the same thing you are attempting to do with your BE, to my BF machine. However, I could not find the actual BF conversion kit and adapted a BE conversion kit to work. The main difference between the two is the length of the feedscrew. The BE is approx. 8 long and the BF is approx. 10 long - the adaptation would not have worked in reverse - a BF kit will not work on a BE. No one seemed to know much about Columbia 2/4 conversions when I was researching mine earlier this year, so I have learned quite a bit about them. First, if you find a kit, it has to include a feedscrew with the gearing attached and an adapter plate with a locking post for the conversion to work. Make sure all the parts are there before purchasing one, because they are a needle in a haystack to find. The pics of my machine with the BE adapter on it are on the above website. Although, Columbia made the adapter kits to be used with a number of machines, they apparently did not make many of them because the cost for the adapter was almost as much as the original machine and Columbia did not make 4 minute cylinders (other than the Indestructible brand). It was also at the end of the cylinder age, when most people were starting to opt for disc records. Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:32:56 -0700 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. David, I went back and check with the Columbia Phonograph Companion Vol. 1, and you are very right. There was more than one attachmemt made to work. on different machines. Oops, Thank you for correcting me. I should have double checked my facts before talking out of foggy memory and scatchy mental pictues. Still I would love to find a BE 2/4 minute attachment. I wander if the other attachment for the BK might work on my Columbia Oxford, it was based on the BK but my Oxford Machinehad has the bedplate and gearing all look to be identical to the BK. The Oxford case is plain with trim around bedplate and base of machine. It is correct to be without decals of any kind other than the double pinsripe on the Japaned black lacker bedplate. Information passed on to me by Tim Fabrizio about the interesting fact that they did not decal the case at all, just plane oak. The tone arm conmected to the horn support is painted glossy black to match the backmount and bedplate, the elbow connecting to the reproducer and the slide tube are nickeled. The slide tube just turns under and connects to the elbow unlike the BKT that has a U Tube at the end of the slide. I have a really nice larger Columbia Black Petals Horn with raised accents aound each petal and there this is a double yellow rose decal on each of the petals too. I really like the way it looks with the black parts of the machine. I will attach a photo with this posting so you can see the machine. I am quite proud of it as I am sure you can tell. But not as proud as my mahogany Triumph and Home model A long case. Any ways David, I would like to say thanks for correcting me, I have learned many things from the post that have been made here. Kenneth Keeton PS:The Picture of my Oxford Cylinder Phonograph is as an Attachment within this post. From: drbor...@aol.com drbor...@aol.com To: onatorr...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: Fwd: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Ken, I believe the 2/4 minute attachment for a BE, BF, and BG is different than used on the BK, BO and BQ. I think I have a complete 2/4 minute attachment for the later, but I think it is different than what you need. If you are interested in the attachment for a BK, BO, or BQ, let me know and I'll locate it and send some pictures. Regards, David Boruff -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 9:34 am Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. Hello all, I posted a message several days ago and saw no replys. I have a Columbia
[Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet.
Hello all, I posted a message several days ago and saw no replys. I have a Columbia BE in fantastic condition and I would really love to find a 2/4 minute attachment for it. It is the same attachment that fits the BK, BF, BG, BO and the BQ. If anyone has a complete attachment for sale I would really love to know and if you have any leads to where I can find one, it would be most helpful. Thanks much as alwasy, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Wanting Info on Columbia BE and if there is a 2/4 minute attachment...
Hello Everyone, I have a Columbia BE and I wondered if there was a 2/4 minute attachment and if someone here would happen to have one. Any leads or info would be most helpful and better if someone would be willing to sell one to me if there is an attachment for this machine. Thanks so much, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Busy Bee horn for a disc machine.
I have a really nice though faded Busy Bee Disc Grand horn that you can buy, I can send you pictues if you like just message me off board and I will be happy to talk with you about this. I should check, but if my memory is correct there a no dents and 95% of the paint or better is there but faded. Kenneth From: ba...@barrykasindorf.com ba...@barrykasindorf.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Busy Bee horn for a disc machine. I have one but no reproducer. -Barry Sent from my phone. - Reply message - From: Burdette Walters burdettewalt...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Busy Bee horn for a disc machine. Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:37 pm Does any one have a nice horn (red?) for a Busy Bee Grand disc machine they would sell ? I also need the bracket that is attached to the horn. Burdette Walters burdettewalt...@yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Help looking for Oak Grain Cygnet Elbow original or repro......
Hello Everyone, I have been looking around for someone that has an Edison Oak Wood Grain Cygnet Horn Elbow for sale. If I can not find an original in respectable condition then I would be happy to settle for a newly painted Cygnet elbow with oak wood grain. So far I have not found an original and have yet to find someone that can paint one for me to match up to my Music Master Oak Horn. If someone has any leads please contact me at onatorr...@yahoo.com. Many thanks, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help looking for Oak Grain Cygnet Elbow original or repro......
Yes, indeed I do have a black elbow. Please email me at onatorr...@aol.com and we can talk further about this. Thanks much, Kenneth From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Help looking for Oak Grain Cygnet Elbow original or repro.. Hi Ken, We have an original oak grain cygnet elbow and a black bell. We wouldn't be opposed to selling it if we could find an original black elbow to complete the horn. Do you happen to have a black elbow for our black bell? Melissa and Nick --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com Subject: [Phono-L] Help looking for Oak Grain Cygnet Elbow original or repro.. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 2:20 PM Hello Everyone, I have been looking around for someone that has an Edison Oak Wood Grain Cygnet Horn Elbow for sale. If I can not find an original in respectable condition then I would be happy to settle for a newly painted Cygnet elbow with oak wood grain. So far I have not found an original and have yet to find someone that can paint one for me to match up to my Music Master Oak Horn. If someone has any leads please contact me at onatorr...@yahoo.com. Many thanks, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers
I'd love to know also and will sure want a copy. From: Thatcher Graham thatc...@mediaguide.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers I second that motion. On 11/7/2011 12:37 PM, David Dazer wrote: Steve, When will you write a book? I'd buy one. Dave --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 10:31 AM A Model G triumph with a mahogany case and horn sold for $8777 on eBay and it looked nice. The wooden horn came out around August 1910 and was available as an option from then on. According to the Frow book the Model F and G triumph came with the wooden horn but since Edison is the king of variety I am certain there were exceptions. I am not certain how accurate the Phonograph section of the Frow book is but the reproducer and recorder section if full of errors and omissions, mostly omission in the recorder section. Because of the Frow book the 2 minute sapphire Model B is the most misunderstood reproducer Edison made. He got the Model N reproducer backwards and does not mention the trowel N reproducer not to be confused with the N-56. When a reproducer was made and when it was put on a phonograph and when the phonograph was stamped with a serial number were not all the same in all cases. At least one suitcase standard in the 42,000 range was stamped with a serial number after Feburary 1902 and sent to Canada to be sold with an automatic reproducer made in the middle of 1901. This suitcase model does not have the serial numer raised lug and the serial number is stamped on the nickel ID plate. An one suticase standard in the 26000 range has he later brass ID plate. You see Model B homes with decals and the 2/4 minute upgrades, you see standard D's with the pin striping and an ID plate that does not say combination, you see Model D standards with the combination ID plate, the home C is found with pinstriping and decals. You see the maroon gem with the GEM decal on the machine. You see triumphs with the raised panel not paralles to the base. You see Edison phonographs with incorrect serial numbers. Home E 994618 is an example of this the home E is found in the 400,000 range and not that many homes were made. Also at the end of production runs earlier parts show up which is why you find the earlier B weights later on. The drilled B weight is found in both stamped and unstamped versions. The Frow book says it is not clear why the B was made and there was never an adjusting arm. The B was armed up until at least 30,000 and from 40,000 to 110,000 the word reproducer is not on the B as the top that was made for the arm was used as the reproducer stamped top came out around 110,000. The armed B is seldom found after 40,000 but they were made for use on the Edison Bell Duplex and the concert phonograph. If the B was never armed it would not have been produced before 110,000. It is easy to see why Frow did not understand the B as in England it mainly appeared on the Gem, but look at the Standard E which was only available here and he got that one correct. From 1 to around 17,000 the B has the arm and no notch. There are two types of tops found. Up until the mid 6500 range the B top has thin plating with machine marks visible. From 17,000 to 30,000 the B retained its arm with the notch added. From 40,000 to 110,000 the B top does not have the word reproducer and two different tops are found with the width of the flat around the sound tube and the outside dome varies and the weight is stamped B. Around 110,000 the weight was drilled and tapped to accomodate an extra lead weight. From around 150,000 on the B was given a 2.2 ounce lead or lead alloy weight. The first B has a 1.2 ounce weight and the C weight varies from 1.2 to 1.3 ounces. It took the 2.2 ounce weight to have the volume the hanging weight does. The automatic is another reproducer that is greatly left out. The period of time from 1900 to 1902 is largely omitted as is the period after the fire. The recorder section is even worse. 2 and 4 minute recorders were made after the fire as was the CHK. The diamond B was made into 1926 at least and the last diamond C used the same casting as the Diamond D. In the summer of 1901 the early B replaced the automatic and up to serial number 30,000 at least it was used on all Edison machines. The B got its notch for the centering pin in the 17,000 range. The B C and D all had blank weights at first. The C joined in around 25,000, the D around 30,000. The arm appeared on the C sporadically through 1906 even though the new top stamped with reproducer appeared
[Phono-L] Looking for sign board for Coin-Op.....
Hello to all and I am very glad to be back, Used to be know as AMI2Phono but changed addresses and now I can begian again with a new start. I just purchased a Columbia Coin-op and it is complete from what I can see in the pictures. Looks to be a model AS and it is missing it's sign board as you can see in the pictures I have attacted. Does anyone know where I might be able go fet a good reproduction sign board and frame? If so please let me know so I can disply it and later I will try and replace the repro with an original one iif I can ever find one. If I could only get my hands on an original, that would just make my day. If anyone thinks they is something other than an AS, please let me know. I do not have the machine in hand but should be here next week sometime. Thanks you everyone in advance. Kenneth Keeton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18855 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/ac5a1c5b/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36574 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/ac5a1c5b/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments
Here is my second try and sending an attachment and I hope it work. I am looking for a reproduction sign board until I can find an original that might take some time. If any of you happen to know where I can get a reproduction sign board for my Columbia Coin-op Graphophe. I checked with a couple of people that say they believe it is a AS but I am not sure. This is my first coin-op machine and I woiuld liike top complete it. Any help is welomed. Thanks to all in advance. Kenneth Keeton From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments I've made a setting adjustment and trying once again. Loran On Oct 23, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Rich wrote: Did the attachment make it to anybody? Did not show up here Loran. On 10/23/2011 02:41 PM, Loran Hughes wrote: I've noticed lately that photo attachments to Phono-L aren't scrubbing properly, so photos don't show up in the links like they're supposed to. After much consideration, I've done a couple of things to address this. First, I've set up Phono-L to allow real photo attachments - this means you'll be able to see the photo in the posting. Second, I've removed the size limits on emails. If this works out and doesn't mess up the digest edition, I'll leave it this way. For now, PDF and JPG files are the only types allowed. Please don't attach huge files or more than a couple at a time. We'll see how this works out! If anyone has problems, please let me know! As a test, I've attached a JPG. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18855 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/6d38c396/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36574 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/6d38c396/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments
Hey there John, Ya I remember you but was not sure it was you until you said so. I will E-mail you so we can catch up off group. Ken From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments Hi Ken. Remember me?? When you send a photo on this board you usually have to use a hosting service like Photobucket, uploding photos then providing a link to them here. It's free and easy to use. Loran is working on another arrangement but the bugs aren't out quite yet. John Robles From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments Here is my second try and sending an attachment and I hope it work. I am looking for a reproduction sign board until I can find an original that might take some time. If any of you happen to know where I can get a reproduction sign board for my Columbia Coin-op Graphophe. I checked with a couple of people that say they believe it is a AS but I am not sure. This is my first coin-op machine and I woiuld liike top complete it. Any help is welomed. Thanks to all in advance. Kenneth Keeton From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments I've made a setting adjustment and trying once again. Loran On Oct 23, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Rich wrote: Did the attachment make it to anybody? Did not show up here Loran. On 10/23/2011 02:41 PM, Loran Hughes wrote: I've noticed lately that photo attachments to Phono-L aren't scrubbing properly, so photos don't show up in the links like they're supposed to. After much consideration, I've done a couple of things to address this. First, I've set up Phono-L to allow real photo attachments - this means you'll be able to see the photo in the posting. Second, I've removed the size limits on emails. If this works out and doesn't mess up the digest edition, I'll leave it this way. For now, PDF and JPG files are the only types allowed. Please don't attach huge files or more than a couple at a time. We'll see how this works out! If anyone has problems, please let me know! As a test, I've attached a JPG. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18855 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/6d38c396/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36574 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/6d38c396/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
