Re: [Phono-L] Any modern-produced 78s?

[Norman Bruderhofer]

I have to agree, that Bryan Wright's record releases are really great. I
also have several of his LPs, which are fun too.

Another recent 78rpm vinyl release from 2011 is by Nick Lowe with Go
'Way Hound Dog/I've changed my Wild Mind. To my knowledge, that one is
still available.

And a real great one was recorded last year by the vocal swing band The
Stolen Sweets and cut directly on disc with no master tape in between.
That record has a very authentic warm sound quality: http://bit.ly/11YrGUS
http://www.amazon.com/music/dp/B0085MJLPA

The cover I have features the nice slogan: "good enough for your
grandmother!"

I also have some of the already mentioned 78s by Kitty, Daisy & Lewis.
However, their latest ones have an artificially altered narrow-bandwith
sound, something I personally see as a big drawback. Their earlier discs
are much clearer, yet still true to their style.

Norman



On 01.07.2013 07:03, Glen Gurwit wrote:
> For Matthew and others with interest in this question:
> Check out Rivermont Records and Bryan Wright.  The company offers mostly CD's 
> but also has a few current 78rpm issues in the audiophile section.  Of course 
> they are meant for playback on modern equipment.
> At the "Jazz Bash" in Iselin, NJ last year (June 2012) Bryan had a small 
> display. I bought several of the newly-produced 78rpm issues from this firm, 
> including a stereo 78 which is a lot of fun to play and to hear.  At this 
> year's bash, held a week ago, I did not see Bryan during any of the event's 3 
> days.
> --Glen in Vermont
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:46:27 -0500
>> From: b...@taney.com
>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any modern-produced 78s?
>>
>> There are at least a dozen pressing plants in the US alone that still
>> produce 33 1/3 and 45 RPM records. These are predominantly for record
>> collectors and audiophiles. I to some degree doubt that they could produce
>> a viable 78rpm record that people would want as they are using Vinyl
>> presses and any older 78rpm phonograph would destroy them with one play.
>> You can get a lot of amazing material still on LP, I have an older Linn
>> turntable from scotland and it really has a sound that is amazing even
>> compared to modern equipment.
>> Bill
>>  
>>
>> On 6/30/13 8:54 PM, "Matthew Bullis"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello from hot Phoenix. I'm wondering if there are any modern 78s that
>>> have been produced any time recently? The only one I ever heard of was
>>> the one produced in the 70s by R. Crumb, of novelty songs. I bought the
>>> three pieces that comprise a modern cartridge for my Stanton turntable,
>>> so that my existing 78s play as well as they can for my ability to
>>> transfer them digitally. This ability made me think of my question. I
>>> know that some analog manufacturers, especially of the Bluenote label,
>>> have been producing lps that are the size of 33s but actually play at 45
>>> speed. Perhaps the reason they don't consider 78 speed is because you
>>> need to use a wider needle. I've never understood why the manufacturers
>>> of those USB turntables don't get a double stylus so that you don't wreck
>>> your 78s with a 33 needle, but that's a different subject. Anyhow, any
>>> thoughts about my original question?
>>> Matthew
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Re: [Phono-L] ice records

[Norman Bruderhofer]

The band Shout Out Louds has recently presented a fancy box set to make 
an ice record:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeGDhEXZJJs


However, the first appearance of such a thing that I am aware of dates 
way back to the late 1980's/early 90's when Peter Lardong made his 
chocolate records and also successfully experimented with records made 
from ice. So, it's anything but a new idea (Russian TV report):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C593v-1KP8k



On 15.01.2013 20:48, ger wrote:
anyone see the news where records were made from ice? One-time play 
flat records. I think it was Scandinavia (not sure), done on a bet I 
believe.


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Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project

[Norman Bruderhofer]

I have a few of these boxes too. They look decent and in general are 
pretty good. However, two things I don't like with these are missing 
holes for air circulation and the often very tight lids. These are 
sometimes quite hard to get off.


Alternative archival boxes are also made by Rigid Paper, NJ 
(www.rigidpapertube.com). They aren't as fancy as those by Hollinger but 
come with sturdy plastic caps and are also made from acid-free cardboard.


Here's a photo I took as they don't have one on their ancient website: 
http://goo.gl/afCzg


I don't know the prices for these but about 6 years ago they would be 
approx. half the price of the others.


It should be also said, that none of these two archival box types are 
suitable for transportation/mailing but for storage only.


Before I moved I had to repack every cylinder to avoid breakage or other 
damage.





On 19.10.2011 23:07, Anthony J. Caruso wrote:

http://www.hollingermetaledge.com/modules/store/index.html?dept=25&cat=1000

Looks like this is as close as one can get right now.



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Re: [Phono-L] Billy Murray tribute on WFMU

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Indeed, a superb program, was lots of fun listening to. Thanks for this 
great show!


Btw. for those (like me) who don't use itunes, you can download it 
directly from the station:


http://mp3archives.wfmu.org/archive/kdb/mp3jump2010.mp3/0:8:41/0/AP/ap110816.mp3

same link shortend: http://goo.gl/1fZ5j

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Re: [Phono-L] cylinder speed tester

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Hi Mike,

You are certainly thinking of a laser techometer. These have become so 
cheap, that I can recommend to anyone as a useful tool.
I bought my first one about five years ago for approx. $100, now they're 
down to as low as $12. I have one of these cheapos too. It has the same 
precision as my expensive one.


You may want to consider this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/150600097532

And you don't need a special reflective tape, plain white paper will 
also work fine. Works also great with disc machines and modern turntables.


Best, Norman



On 06.07.2011 08:00, mdsor...@aol.com wrote:


Hello everyone,

Sometime about a year ago, there was discussion on phono-l about a way to test 
cylinder speed using an electronic instrument that could be cheaply found on 
ebay.  Anyone remember what this was?  I meant to buy one at the time, but lost 
all of the information.  Any help is appreciated!

Mike Sorter
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Re: [Phono-L] MUST see video on Chocolate Records

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Thanks for posting! Quite interesting but actually nothing new. Peter 
Lardong used to make exactly the same thing, chocolate 45rpm singles, 
almost two decades ago.


I found this approx. 17 years old video with English subs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVM18iJTMZs

You can also see and hear that these are more precise in even thickness 
and have better sound quality. The last is mostly owed to the proper 
chocolate composition.


I once played one of these and they are pretty cool, although you don't 
want to use it with a precious pickup. It can get really messy on the 
stylus.


Norman



On 29.06.2011 02:06, srsel...@aol.com wrote:

I'm posting on a few sites as I don't want anyone to miss this.





This article and the MUST SEE video with it came to me today thanks to
Marsha Maguire at the Library of Congress. I am truly amazed at the concept -
yes there were some made in Germany 110 years ago. But this guy really took
it  to the modern day fruition.

Watch it all. I Think it's worth your time. And enjoy!

_http://tinyurl.com/63zoeww_ (http://tinyurl.com/63zoeww)


Steve Ramm


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Re: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder machine

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Indeed interesting, although I still don't get the iHype. Anyway, 
there's also the iPhonograph: http://www.michaelcumella.com/ip/




On 15.02.2011 06:32, Vinyl Visions wrote:


Hi Guys,


I need your input to see if this is a viable idea. I made a Tizit for my Edison 
that allows me to play my iPod or other audio source through my Cygnet horn. It 
really sounds great and you can play not only Edison mp3's but ANY genre of 
music. I don't need any more electronic speakers in my house or docking 
stations, so I thought why not use what I like to look at? Most of us have a 
cylinder player or two of some type.


It's great when you want to listen to some favorites, but don't want to crank 
and change cylinders. No mods to the machine are necessary and when you want to 
go back to original operation, just remove the Tizit and replace it with the 
original. Is this a viable idea? If so, what price range?



www.mp3tizit.com


Thanks,
Curt



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Re: [Phono-L] best way to store wax cylinders?

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Normally, I would say it's okay to keep them in the old boxes as long as 
these are in decent shape. A proper ventilation is the most important 
thing to avoid any impounded humidity. Many European boxes have the 
problem that the lids close pretty tightly. In this case I would 
recommend to keep them open.
I do make an exception with my most valuable cylinders which I keep in 
acid-free archival boxes. However, these boxes are way too expensive to 
have all my cylinders stored that way.


I know of two different sources for archival boxes: Rigid Paper Tube, NJ 
& Hollinger Metal Edge, CA



http://www.ridgidpapertube.com/
Deep link: http://www.ridgidpapertube.com/archive2.html

http://www.hollingermetaledge.com/
Deep link: http://tinyurl.com/3x8hypy


When I bought the RPT boxes they were significantly cheaper while those 
from Hollinger are more expensive but also more costly produced. But be 
prepared to pay at least $6-8 for one box.


The RPT boxes simply have two plasic caps, one glued to the bottom. The 
bottom cap also holds the inner peg which is made from acid-free 
cardboard like the outer one.
The RPT boxes do all have a drilled hole in the outer wall to prevent 
air-tightness. One problem I had was that the glue of the bottom cap was 
very easy to detach and I cautiously reglued all of them with a stronger 
glue. You cartainly do not want to have your most precious cylinders to 
fall out of the box that way.



The HME boxes are square-shaped and have, as the names claims, metal 
edges. The inside is made from a relativly stiff PP foam (whith no 
containing softeners) with a foam bottom and peg. These boxes however, 
do not come with a hole and are pretty air-tight. Therefore, I had to 
drill a hole by myself into each of these boxes at on of the lower side 
edges.
Another problem with most of the HME boxes I have is, that the lids do 
close so tightly that it is not easy to open these boxes. And of course, 
I have to be extra careful with the content...



In general, both box types are for storage only and not suitable for 
transportation or mailing. The HME boxes can be prepared for 
transportation with carefully adding some non-woven soft pads to prevent 
the cylinder from rattling.


Best, Norman




On 23.12.2010 16:11, Ron Cowen wrote:

I should know this but what are some of the best ways to store wax
cylinders, aside from good temperature control? Is it OK if they are in
their cylinder boxes? And if I am putting them all in some large storage
box, is it OK if it's plastic, and should the large storage box not have
a lid, because that might trap moisture? Are there some kind of archival
storage boxes that are preferable and what type are they and what might
be a source?
Thanks,
Ron
Silver Spring, MD
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Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC (2nd try)

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Indeed, a great video, thanks for posting!

Yes, Dave's collection was amazing. The quality of the display of the 
various machines outclassed mostly any other museum. My first and, 
through lack of time, regrettably last visit was in April 1999 where I 
gladly took my video camera with me. Most of the collectors are likely 
aware of that video since it is online for more than three years now.


We were a small group, I don't recall the people but Ron Dethlefson was 
there and it was my first visit to a collection of anything near that 
size. So, I was more wandering and cared less about making a really good 
video. Nevertheless I am happy to have it now. At time code 3:45 you can 
see Dave demonstrating a fire alarm clock from the Victor factory, than 
a another snippet of showing us his Auxetophone:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpqk-LMOF2M

Best,
Norman


On 14.11.2010 21:23, john robles wrote:

Wow, what a fantastic tour!!
I have a video that I recorded when I visited Dave Heitz back in 1991.  He used 
to open the barn where he had most of his collection up to people to come 
visit, but it was usually closed at some parts of the year. In March of 1991 I 
turned 30, and a mutual friend called to see if he'd open up for us as a 
birthday treat for me.  Generously, he did, so three fiends and I went 
visiting. He allowed me to record his collection with the condition that he not 
be in the video and that he didn't want to see it on TV or anything at the 
time. I will never forget his generosity in doing that for me. He also sold me 
some great records for what I considered bargain prices.  He was a nice man.
John Robles

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From: Jack Whelan
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC
To: "Phono-L"
Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 11:32 AM


Hi Gang,

Here's another link to a video/photo from a visit to our good friend and 
phono-expert Charles McCarn, from a few years ago.

This is a Windows Media Video .wmv file which should automatically start.

http://phonojack.com/gallery/CharlesMcCarns.wmv

Have fun,

Jack Whelan
PhonoJack.com






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Re: [Phono-L] Charles McCarn Phonograph Collection, Mooresville, NC

[Norman Bruderhofer]

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Re: [Phono-L] Miller Morris blanks?

[Norman Bruderhofer]

They look different nowadays: http://snurl.com/tnwvx
This one must be ca. 20 years old.


On 12.12.2009 19:42, Steven Medved wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330383823997 

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Re: [Phono-L] Very Sad News ---- Bobbie Hummel

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Thank you for keeping the community up to date. She was so kind and 
supportive. It is a very sad thing and I just can emphasize my deepest 
sympathy for him and the family.


Norman


edisonst...@comcast.net wrote:
Early this afternoon Charley's beloved wife Bobbie lost her courageous battle with cancer, she will be sorely missed by Charley, her family, friends & everyone who has had the pleasure of knowing her ! 



  


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Re: [Phono-L] Advice please - holes in cylinder surface

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Chris, These holes look indeed different than the ones I used to find 
sometimes on black wax cylinders. The usual holes are, to what I was to 
figure out, caused by the collapse of the wax surface when tiny bubbles 
are underneath it. You can see this sometimes on broken black wax 
cylinders, both 2-minute and 4-minutes.
The holes on your cylinder do not have an uncommon size though. It's 
just the large group of them what looks suspicious. A regular stylus 
should even be able to play over such an area, especially when you are 
using a Model B reproducer which has a bullet sapphire instead of the 
doorknob of a C.
As Steven pointed out, candle wax could actually do but it can be sticky 
and, as a worst case, can mess up your stylus that has to cleaned then. 
I had good success with filling comparable holes with modelling wax (for 
wood restoration) with a wooden toothpick. It takes a lot of time and 
you should have the cylinder on the mandrel to give it a better support 
while applying the wax.


Norman


Chris Kocsis wrote:
I just got a cylinder I won on eBay (Edison 9100, Bob Roberts' 
Everybody Works But Father) to replace mine that cracked. It was 
advertised as in excellent + condition, and as I pulled it out of its 
sleeve it looked like it was. But as I turned it to examine it 
closely, I found a strange, almost patterned number of deep circular 
pits among the grooves. I'm afraid to play it in case the stylus 
catches in these holes and gets ripped out. I'm attaching a picture.


I would appreciate advice (as well as any information on how these 
holes could have formed -- I'm not an experienced collector, but I've 
never seen anything like them before).


Many thanks,

Chris
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[Phono-L] No More Ebay Pranks

[Norman Bruderhofer]

The arguments against ebay are very reasonable. They have grown to a 
monster that will eat anyone around.
But honestly, as a collector in Europe, what should I do? There are 
no other -global- auction or market places around to reach people and 
to find stuff I am collecting. Of course, I am addicted to them and 
would welcome a true competitor but there is no alternative platform 
around I know that offers worldwide access and reaches the 
poeple.Craigslist is nice but was always made to support local 
business - that is not option for me.

A boycott would mean to virtually stop collecting, except for my few 
US vacations while other (local) collectors would be feasting 24/7. 
At this time, there is no alternative for me. However yes, ebay sucks.

I see the severe problems via ebay but as long no international 
alternative supplier comes around, eBay will liekly keep its position.

Norman

ps.: ebay owns about 25% of Craiglist.




At 02:26 14.09.2008, you wrote:
>I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to
>challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction.  Every 
>successful business in
>the world has been challenged.  Examples are:
>
>Ford
>Coca Cola
>General Electric
>K-Mart
>
>The list goes on and on.  It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and
>only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line 
>auction world.
>For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU
>the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay.
>
>Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made
>them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose
>steam.  I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up 
>and over takes
>ebay.
>
>As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100%
>feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company.  I am 
>doing my part to
>stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business.  I 
>feel that if
>enough people do this, ebay will get the message.
>
>It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the
>business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to 
>complain, but I
>AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS."
>
>When we all do that, the business will get the message.
>
>It's like our local gas stations here in town.  When they saw an opportunity
>to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a
>$1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the
>hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend.  It 
>appears that many
>of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations
>have done very little business.
>
>Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+
>year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute.  Billy Murray and Ada
>Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment 
>and energy to
>produce it is free!!
>
>It's all about the mighty dollar my friends!  You take care and keep the
>speed limit at 78...rpms that is!
>
>And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for
>putting smiles on our faces!
>
>Brantley
>South Carolina
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[Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Yes, thank you, Al for this excellent summary and clarification.

I have to admit that I am also concerned about using a regular 
2-minute doorknob stylus, even with black wax. I have tested this 
with a wide variety of different reproducers where it always came to 
the point that on most cylinders any of the doorknob styli will take 
off a portion of wax, leaving some very tiny swarf on the record 
surface and the stylus tip. First, I thought there was something 
wrong with the stylus but it happened with so many other C's and K's 
that a worn stylus cannot be the reason. The wide dynamics of the 
black wax cylinders may even increase the resulting brownish 
distorted groove areas that we all know especially from opera, 
xylophone and loud march selections.

Even if the resulting sound will lack of some clarity, I do only use 
ball shaped styli with any 2-minute wax cylinder by now and only 
electrical playback with rarer selections. I see lots of similarities 
to the discussion about which steel needle will do best.

Best,
Norman



At 12:34 10.09.2008, you wrote:
>IMHO - My vote would be NO, NO, and NO.
>
>The effective pressure a stylus exerts on the record is a function of contact
>area.  When a record has the correct diameter stylus riding in the groove the
>weight is distributed evenly across the total contact.  To put a 4 minute
>stylus in the middle of a 2 minute groove raises the effective 
>contact pressure
>by having a smaller contact point.  It is the same weight but on a 
>much smaller
>area.  I have examined 2 minute records played with the wrong 4 minute stylus
>under a microscope and can see the new track cut into the wax and a path of
>compression on a 2 minute celluloid which did handle the pressure much better
>but was not completely unmarred.
>
>The Diamond B has a round point contact as opposed to the elliptical contact
>area of the doorknob C and H styli.  The effective pressure per unit area on
>the recording medium is thus higher than the elliptical.  I would 
>surmise that
>some deformation of the 2 minute groove occurs.  I may get out my microscope
>and check at some future slack time.
>
>I have a number of Bacigalupi brown wax recordings that were not done with a
>pantograph copier but were individual takes.  While not great they are very
>presentable.  I took one that was not too hot and tried a Model C on it.  The
>wax was deformed with peaks being worn.  The stylus ended up with a 
>wax build up
>on it.  When played with an Automatic the distortion was very apparent up to
>the point I quit playing with the Model C.
>
>Occasionally one may find a 4 minute R that has been fitted with a 2 minute
>stylus by someone along the way.  It will play 2 minute records very well as
>will an N with a 2 minute stylus.  The bugbear of the R and S is that getting
>the swollen potmetal out of the adapter shoe is a pain when one 
>wants to put in
>new gaskets and service the diaphragm.  A rebuilt R with a tuned up diaphragm
>and 2 minute stylus plays records very well.
>
>There is one more dimension to stylus pressure problems.  A sapphire 4 minute
>stylus will flatten more quickly on celluloid than wax Amberols.  The flat
>spot will damage wax Amberols when it gets too wide.  Even the diamond stylus
>will eventually become worn and thus increase wear on even the Blue Amberols.
>
>There is a reason that "modern" LP turntables strove to get the tracking
>weight down below 2 grams.  Less record wear was the goal.  Edison 
>was no doubt
>aware of the problem when the company trimmed the weights on the O 
>reproducers
>to a trowel shape.  Why they did not do all the O weights this way 
>consistently
>is a mystery with an answer sitting somewhere in the Edison Site vault.
>
>Kindest Wishes to All,
>
>Al
>
>
>
>
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>plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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[Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer

[Norman Bruderhofer]

The pleats could be different. On the other hand I was also told 
about multiple designs that were implements over a very short time period.

Here is a picture comparing an American Columbia diaphragm in a 15A 
reproducer to the discussed type:

http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8905lx6.jpg

There are no attachment areas for any spider on that diaphragm. It is 
just the inner (thicker) dome which is bent through the outer 
diaphragm and is sealed on three spots with a drop of wax. At least 
this one should play way better than any available reproduction.

Norman


At 19:21 08.09.2008, you wrote:
>That might work but it is not a Vivatonal diaphragm.  It looks like it has
>more pleats than the Vivatonal and I think I see attachment areas for a
>Spider.
>
>Ron L

[Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer

[Norman Bruderhofer]

This should the one you are looking for:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180282111614

He seems to accidentally describing them as HMV instead of Columbia. 
So, they are actually Viva-Tonal diaphragms.

Norman


At 11:17 08.09.2008, you wrote:

>I just purchased a nice Columbia Vivatonal portable.  It's a model 202 and
>was made in England.  When I played it, it sounded terrible.  When I opened
>the reproducer I found out why.  Someone had replaced the diaphragm with a
>piece of aluminum foil.  They didn't even punch a hole for the needle bar
>screw.  Unbelievably, it actually played; feebly but you could hear it.
>Does anyone know a source for a replacement diaphragm for this machine.  The
>original was 2 1/8" in diameter. Thanks
>Robert Vuillemeot
>
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[Phono-L] Columbia Concert Cylinder

[Norman Bruderhofer]

You can see that it were only two bidders. However, the cylinder is 
shot and the box does not look much better. The box is the ordinary 
Columbia standard and not a special type. I even still amazes me how 
one would pay insane prices just for empty boxes anyway unless there 
is cylinder left for completion.

Norman


At 18:06 24.08.2008, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/Columbia-Concert-Grand-Phonograph-Cylinder-Graphophone_W0QQitemZ360080128451QQihZ023QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>Can someone explain to me why there are 11 bids on this Columbia 
>Concert Cylinder? It must be the box, because the cylinder sure as 
>heck is not going to play.
>
>Bruce
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[Phono-L] Berliner

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Hey John,
I remember seeing a trademark at the Wayne show about four years ago. 
It was very beautiful but had been restored with a significant 
percentage of repro parts. The price was $1500 for that one. So, 
$3500 can be quite reasonable for a fully original trademark.
Good luck!
Norman


At 04:34 15.06.2008, you wrote:
>Hi there
>   This Berliner has a second decal on the other side that says 'Cie 
> Francaise du gramophone No. 2172'. I can't see the Berliner decal 
> very clearly (I have only seen photos so far) but when and if I go 
> see it in person, I will make sure the decal is in English. This 
> was the issue, I know that foreign made machines don't seem to do 
> as well with American buyers. I will guage the screw threads to 
> make sure they are not metric. I have had a repro of this type 
> myself, and I know what to look for on that count. The horn is an 
> obvious original horn, though perhaps not original to this model. 
> The horn is nickel plated, with a bell joined to the body with a 
> seam. The bell is a bit bent but pretty nice. The body has obvious 
> spots when plating is mottled a bit.
>   The hold down looks as if it is the tye with the hole all the way 
> through, as it should be. I just want to be sure this machine is 
> not a marriage of old and new. The motor housing looks as it 
> should. The crank is not the flat bar type, it is more like an 
> early Victor slip on crank with the slight offset in the winding arm.
>   I will let you guys know what happens.
>   Thanks!
>   John

[Phono-L] 1881 Bell Tainter Disc

[Norman Bruderhofer]

The description is certainly wrong. This is a vertical recording and 
corresponds perfectly to the references I have about the 1884 disc 
Graphophone which used this kind of discs too. Like with the tinfoil 
phonographs, the groove was pre-cut but then filled with wax instead 
of covering it with tinfoil. The dropped the disc format soon because 
it seemed to be too complicated for regular use.


At 07:55 01.06.2008, you wrote:
>http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/recording/images/PDRM1554a.jpg
>
>They label this as a lateral disc recording, but to me it looks 
>vertical, just that the sound waves are near the top so they look 
>lateral.  The date 1881, many years before the Berliner disc, has 
>anyone played this disc?  Was this disc known about previous to the 
>Berliner patent on disc records?  You would think that the patent 
>office would have not accepted the Berliner patents if this was known about??
>;
>_
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[Phono-L] Jumeau on Craigslist

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Surely not an Edison.

At 14:16 24.05.2008, you wrote:
>Is this a disc playing doll? eBay item #130225173462

[Phono-L] Wierd cylinder

[Norman Bruderhofer]

As far as I know there were no answers. I don't know either what this 
could be but it reached an awful high price.

Norman


At 15:57 17.05.2008, you wrote:
>Sorry I missed the replies on this one. Did anyone establish what this
>really is and who mfg. it?
>
>Bruce

[Phono-L] OTHER WAYS for Possible Ebay fraudulent listing

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Exactly, but be sure to use a -secure- password. No names, bdays or 
so but a nice and cryptic style.
I bet that most hijacked accounts were 'protected' by too simple 
passwords that could be easily determined by using brute force 
attacks (dictionaries). It really makes sense to put attention to 
that little security bar. And always make a password unique, never 
use it twice (e.g. eBay acct & paypal).


At 23:25 24.03.2008, you wrote:
>Like I said, change your passwords regularly.
>
>
>
>- Original Message - From: "Michael Graziano" 
>To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" 
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:49 PM
>Subject: RE: [Phono-L] OTHER WAYS for Possible Ebay fraudulent listing
>
>
>>I thought I'd share a recent personal experience.  I listed two items on
>>eBay a few weeks ago.  Some POS software and a CCTV DVR.  Someone hacked
>>into my seller account, and the only thing changed was my Paypal account.
>>So when the buyers paid, the money went to someone else's Paypal acct.
>>
>>It was a hassle on the first item figuring out what happened b/c Paypal and
>>eBay customer service is terrible.  Even after confirming a 100 different
>>ways that I was who I said I was, they would still only give me limited
>>information i.e. what acct had been paid.
>>
>>So be careful out there.  There is no way to confirm your paypal address
>>once a listing has ended i.e on an invoice.  In fact, I haven't been able to
>>figure out how they changed it in the first place.  But make sure when you
>>place the ad that the default address hasn't been updated.
>>
>>Best,
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
>>Behalf Of Robert Plavzic
>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:26 PM
>>To: Antique Phonograph List
>>Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing
>>
>>Well spotted! I thought ebay had cured this problem of scammers trying to
>>resell sold high value items.
>>
>>This is the original sale # 270217631060
>>
>>
>>thx
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Albert  wrote:
>>
>>>It is interesting that he asks for a buy it now of $1500. shipping
>>>included,
>>>yet he did not list a buy it now on ebay.  That would mean you would not
>>>have any fraud protection if you transacted off ebay.  Certainly a BY with
>>>a
>>>wood horn should go for substantially more than $1500, but who knows. The
>>>market is really bad.  I recently. sold two nice Vic 5s for 1200. each and
>>>I
>>>tried for a year to sell them, with no offers.
>>>  - Original Message -
>>>From: "Ken and Brenda Brekke" 
>>>To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" 
>>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:18 AM
>>>Subject: [Phono-L] Possible Ebay fraudulent listing
>>>
>>>
>>> > Please check out Ebay listing number 110236619614.  This phonograph was
>>> > recently listed by a dealer friend I know from Iowa.  It is now listed
>>>by
>>> > another seller with the same exact photos and description. > Buyer/bidder
>>> > beware
>>> >
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[Phono-L] At least they couldn't be mistaken for crapophones

[Norman Bruderhofer]

That's a real weird website. I did not know that Edison 'drove' "a 
thin wax to make the style" - whatever that means. It actually fits 
well to the "Big trumpet gramophones"

They even did not make their website compatible to Firefox...

Norman

[Phono-L] Any Edison Crapographs?

[Norman Bruderhofer]

I wonder if anyone already tried to "reproduce" some kind of 
phonygraph, haven't any by now. I only know about the plastic 
assembly by Daklin with radio and cassette but obviously the topworks 
are not intended to operate.

Norman

[Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid?

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Well, you are just right. Here's Grandma's Graphophone QQ. It -has- 
to be rare because it is from 1894 and the seller has a modest price...
Beware of the "small whirring sound" !

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290114785170

Greetings,
Norman

[Phono-L] Disc vs. Cylinder - Interesting Article

[Norman Bruderhofer]

I have recently found an 8 pages article by Richard Osborne about the 
media fight. So far, it is the best-researched article I know about 
this subject.

The following link should take you to the document page of London 
College of Music & Media where you can download the PDF:

http://tinyurl.com/3bsbfk


...and this link gives a rough Google HTML extract in case you are 
having problems with opening the PDF file:

http://tinyurl.com/2qxg39


I'll go for cylinders!!

Norman

Fw: Fw: [Phono-L] Dave Heitz Collection

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Glad my download link worked. Sorry, I was wrong, 24 minutes is the 
correct length!

Best, Norman


At 02:37 01.03.2007, you wrote:

>Norman,
>
>Thanks so much for that link... I downloaded it and it shows at 
>252,754kb and I think around 24 minutes.  Is that the correct file 
>size.  Want to make sure I got the entire video.
>
>Anyway, I was happy to see Dave in the video.  He did get in front 
>of the camera often.
>
>I was very lucky to get to know him well the last few years of his 
>life. For a while I would have lunch with him and Charlie Martin, once a week.
>
>He was a great guy.
>
>Thanks again,
>Vince

Fw: [Phono-L] Dave Heitz Collection

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Hi Vince,

The YouTube version has been cut down to 8 minutes as they would only 
allow a maximum of 10 minutes.
I have uploaded my complete uncut 38 minutes video to my webhoster at 
http://space.i24.cc/dave/ where you can download the mpeg-Version. It 
is Video-CD standard (European PAL). The file size is approx. 258 
megabytes, so be aware to use a broadband connection! I will try to 
keep it there for the next week until I need the webspace for something else.

Please keep in mind that this is the uncut version as it appeared on 
my tapes. I have not done anything to it, therefore it may look a 
little chaotic and amateur like. It never was meant to be made public 
but I think it should be done by now. Hope you will be able to enjoy it anyway.

I have been there only once but it was really overwhelming and Dave 
was a wonderful host, he even welcomed me in German!

Greetings, Norman


At 13:40 28.02.2007, you wrote:

>Hi Norman,
>
>I was a very good friend of Dave's and really liked that video, as I 
>visited his collection many times.  However I never did get many 
>pictures or film of it.
>
>Is it possible for you to email me that video?  I would love to have it.
>
>Let me know,
>Thanks,
>Vince

[Phono-L] re Spanish HMV

[Norman Bruderhofer]

I only know one machine here around by now. I have uploaded a few 
photos: http://space.i24.cc/spanishvictor/

Greetings,
Norman

[Phono-L] Risk of auto ignition on cylinders?

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Just something that's been bothering my mind for several years:

We all know about the high risk of auto ignition with early celluloid 
films. Does anyone know if there is a certain risk with celluloid 
cylinders (blue / purple amberols, indestructibles, lamberts, liorets 
...)? So far, I have never heard of any incident with cylinders.

Referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_base the nitrate 
compound was the major problem. I am not really into chemistry and 
would be happy if anyone with further knowledge could post some 
statements about this as I would like to know it for sure.

Regards,
Norman

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[Phono-L] Near Miss

[Norman Bruderhofer]

Yes, and that's a diamond disc on the other machine!

http://www.rubylane.com/ni/shops/souhantq/iteml/201112#pic1

Greetigs,
Norman Bruderhofer



At 01:39 15.10.2006, you wrote:

>Thanks John,
>I've looked at the site.  It is fairly overpriced--but you never  know...
>Watch out--a crapophone is listed for $599!!
>---Art Heller


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