Re: [Phono-L] Anyone know an early electric phono repair man?
If you're looking to get your idler wheel refurbished I recommned Phono Ed- Ed Crockett. He re-surfaced an idler wheel for me several years ago and did a bang up job. Here is a link to his website: http://vintagelectronics.com/index.htm -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 11:08 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Anyone know an early electric phono repair man? And if it has an idler wheel between the motor's rotating shaft and the urntable edge, its actual size is not critical. You can substitute a ubber O ring. However, a little internet searching will turn up places hat will replace the idler's rubber with new to the same size as original. on L -Original Message- rom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On ehalf Of Andrew Baron ent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:08 PM o: Antique Phonograph List ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Anyone know an early electric phono repair man? You're welcome Edward. The rubber idler wheel can sometimes be reconditioned -softened and urface-dressed with a chemical. If it has a notable flat spot (from ecades resting against the inside of the turntable rim under tension), it ill need to be replaced. When these get hard it transfers all kinds of oise to the platter which then acts like a diaphragm to magnify the noise. he motor board, if the motor is bolted directly to it, then acts like a ound board, further amplifying the rattle. The original stylus might have been a metal alloy. One such was called Osmium, which would give more plays than an ordinary steel needle. It ould also have been a jewel-tipped metal shank. Electric Admirals from that era with no radio are pretty rare. The repairs are pretty straightforward. Best of luck, Andrew On Sep 2, 2012, at 5:42 PM, keeper...@aol.com wrote: Andrew, Thank You for taking the time to respond as you did, with all that helpful information! I guessed aright that if the symptoms were described, someone who knows them would indicate a prognosis. I think that since these machines are fairly rare, and yet when working properly play records with a lovely, iconic sound, they should be restored. They're easier on the old records than a Victrola, also, if you like to play them a lot, as I do. I have a great GE phonograph, with an AM radio, that I would estimate to have been available in the 40s, extrapolating from your description of this Admir al. The original stylus must be gone. I got it with a standard steel needle in it. And yes, the garbled music was from the record. There is no radio with this unit, it only plays records. I'll wait and see if anyone in the area responds, but appreciate your making yourself available. I used to know someone in the antique radio club that came down to the Salem, Sounds of Nostalgia show, but t's been awhile. I've lost touch. It would be nice to know who's doing this now. All the Best, : ) Edward In a message dated 9/2/2012 3:01:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, a...@popyrus.com writes: Hi Edward ~ Your Admiral is more likely late pre-war; ca. 1939 to 42, or early post-war; ca. 1946-1947. The symptoms you describe are typical of this technology when it ages, and are: Hardened rubber on the idler wheel (turntable noise); Dead electrolytic capacitors, two to three of these will be found in need of replacement (loud hum and garbled sound). This is a job for a soldering iron, and the correct types and polarity will be needed. These are available. If when you say the music sounds garbled you mean music from a record and not from a built-in radio, then it's a small miracle that your crystal cartridge might actually be good. 99% of these are found dead or substantially diminished in unrestored phonographs of this ra. The fact that there's a set screw for the stylus indicates that yours still has the crystal cartridge. These can be rebuilt with a new element if needed (some of the distortion can be from the cartridge), or replaced with a more reliable type of cartridge and stylus. The unit may need some other minor work. Usually motor bearings, idler wheel arbor bushings and platter bearings need de-gumming and new lubrication, and if it has a changer, these usually need some attention as well. On the electronic side, the power cord may be brittle if it's original and certain of the paper capacitors will likely benefit from replacement as these get electrically leaky and can lso contribute to distortion. I don't know who in Portland works on antique radios, but I know you can find someone through the radio collector community out there or a useum. If that fails I restore these types of items but you would incur shipping charges in addition to the usual parts and labor. Good luck with this. Andrew Baron Santa Fe
Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of....
Too high in today's market. -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Jul 26, 2012 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never seen or heard of That was the one I was looking at, what do you think about it? good buy or not? enneth From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:46 PM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never een or heard of Here is one for $1295.00 - ttp://www.phonographs.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=1889 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:26:44 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have ever seen or heard of The Columbia BWT is a disc machine that uses a Talkophone Brooke case. After he lawsuits between Columbia and Talkophone, Columbia bought out Talkophone as settlement. As a result, you'll see Talkophone cases with Columbia mechanical arts. The BWT is one of them. Hope this helps. Harvey Kravitz From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:46 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Question about a Columbia Graphophone model I have never een or heard of Hello all, Can any one give me some insight into the Columbia Disc Graphophone BWT? I ave not been able to find any info on this model and if it is a correct model o even beging with. I know that Columbia parted some machines together but his I have never heard of before. Any help would be most welcomed, Kenneth Keeton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org/ __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Is it vegetable glycerine that is mixed with the alcholol or another form of glycerine? -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment The smell kind of grows on you. One thing to keep very firmly in mind ith the linseed oil/turpentine mix is this is the stuff that when oaked up in rags in a bucket will reliably spontaneously combust. This s something that is usually applied with a rag pad in small doses. On 05/23/2012 07:06 PM, DanKj wrote: Glycerine/alcohol was a trick used by hack piano tuners to tighten loose tuning pins, and has been mostly discredited. Glycerine works by attracting mositure from the air, so I would expect it to cause wood to constantly expand contract along with the humidity in the room. I used linseed/turp on a Credenza, over 20 years ago, and the wood still seems fresh and not dried-out. My living room smelled like turpentine for about a year, but it wasn't overpowering. - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have another opinion to change mine... From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all joints are tight first. On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) and painting the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it makes for a more forward and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b ut with better bass. Are there any more tweaks I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] smoke smell cleaner
If the inside of thebabinet smells bad too put baking soda in an open container or two and place inside the cabinet. This will eventually remove the smell on the inside. -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] smoke smell cleaner Cleaning the cabinet with mechanic's waterless hand cleaner (without pumice) ught to do the trick. It removes grease and oil and old wax, taking the tink of tobacco with it. Ron L -Original Message- rom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On ehalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke ent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:04 PM o: 'Antique Phonograph List' ubject: [Phono-L] smoke smell cleaner I am sure that we all have bought some old phonographs that came from heavy mokers. I recently purchased a nice oak Herzog cabinet like the one on the ront of the Gadgets and Gizzmos book with the paper mache horn inside. It s in excellent condition with the exception that it has a strong odor of moke. Has anyone had any luck getting the smell out from an old phonograph r cabinet? This cabinet came from the original owners grand-daughter who s in her late 70s. Both her and her husband are heavy smokers. Also, does nyone have any sales literature on these cabinets? I would like to try to et any information on them. I am also currently using this one for a attern to make the paper mache horn for my other two cabinets like this one hat are missing the horn. So far the project is working out pretty good. Thanks in advance, Ken Brekke ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Yes. This is what I tried to explain in my 2 emails... -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 8:53 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist ou are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email ddress... this is weird. It sounds like some type of phishing scam to get our info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random inquiries for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Rick, I always ask the question: Is the item still available? - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonofo...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When the question is short like Is the item still available? always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate? My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. - Original Message - rom: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell s going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number hen inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Remember when you receive the scammer's initial question he/she has no idea what your personal email address is unless you put your personal email address on your craigslist posting. All he or she sees is your craigslist email address designated for that item. Once you reply to the scammer he/she now has your personal email address which could now lead to other problems. -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 10:43 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist The only reply recommended/required to the question is this item still vailable? is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then he delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really ntend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ver know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest ensity increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Richrich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of phishing scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visions@live.**comvinyl.visi...@live.com To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random inquiries for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visions@live.**comvinyl.visi...@live.com To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Rick, I always ask the question: Is the item still available? - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonofo...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When the question is short like Is the item still available? always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate? My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpmbruce78rpm@comcast.**netbruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Hi Bruce and all: This happens all the time. When I posted items on craigslist I receive emails from people who said I can work from home and make $3000 a week!! Others inlcude onel liners asking Is the item still available? You respond and then you receive an email promoting a job opportunity. Best to ignore these emails and not respond. Rick -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:57 am Subject: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was ontacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of ellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be rying it. ello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will eceive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is lready signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving ver payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side ue payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand hat you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your ocation after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to educt your earnings and send the balance through western union office r location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address nd phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item emoved off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once one. Regards __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
When the question is short like Is the item still available? always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate? My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. - Original Message - rom: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell s going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number hen inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was contacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be trying it. Hello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side due payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your location after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once done. Regards ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is how Berliner and Kämmer Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did Berliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America through a prior business connection? -Original Message- From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hi Steve and all, Here is a great source for information. This is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the awn of disc records. -Scott Denise Corbett elow is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ The earliest disc records ver released : he five inch Berliner Gramophone records nline catalogue It is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered n the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch ecord. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone ecord, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy aker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed he very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, and operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. This device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records 12,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of hellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic ompressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of everal species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are ressed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention E. Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on he reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are ndeed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these ecords, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile erliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - lways the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The bove list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. Original Message- rom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On ehalf Of Steven Medved ent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM o: Phono-l ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record hanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old ours is? I really appreciated the information. Steve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end p! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] n Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record
Thanks. I asked the question because Scott stated in his emails that The label on the reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and he mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. So if these records were printed in germany they would still contain the US patent? -Original Message- From: gpaul2000 gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:06 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record No, no - - the 5 Berliners were pressed in Germany by two firms. Stephan uille has had a couple of excellent articles published in The Sound Box that over this period in detail. eorge P. -Original Message- rom: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com o: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:48 am ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record So these records were pressed here in the states and shipped directly to Germany to Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen. What I would like to know is ow Berliner and Kämmer Reinhardt first established this relatinship? Did erliner know the owners of the German company prior to coming to America hrough a prior business connection? -Original Message- rom: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net o: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:31 pm ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record i Steve and all, ere is a great source for information. his is where we found information on our little 5. 1889-1892 is indeed the wn of disc records. Scott Denise Corbett elow is from the website: http://www.archeophone.org/Berliner5inch/ he earliest disc records er released : e five inch Berliner Gramophone records line catalogue t is commonly said that the first Berliner Gramophone record to be offered the market was pressed in the USA in October 1894. It was a seven inch cord. But in fact Emile Berliner (1851-1929), inventor of the gramophone cord, had made and sold records long before that date. It is a German toy ker (Kämmer Reinhardt in Waltershausen, Thuringen) who made and marketed e very first Berliner Gramophone which was a toy with a cardboard horn, nd operated with a crank, but with no spring or motor. his device put on the market from 1889 to 1892, rotated five inch records 2,5 cm) at 100-150 revolutions per minute. These records are not made of ellac like records made later, but of gutta-percha : an inelastic mpressed and vulcanized natural latex or rubber isolated from the sap of veral species of tropical tree, but mainly from Palaquium gutta. They are essed from metallic matrixes. Both records and machines bear the mention . Berliner Grammophon D.R.P. [Deutsches Reichspatent] 45048. The label on e reverse side of each record contains the title or the recorded text and e mention of two of Berliner's US patents : Nov 1887, May 1888. They are deed the oldest records in the world. The voice heard of most of these cords, singing or talking with no instrumental accompaniment, is Emile rliner's own voice. This is commonly admitted and it is indeed a voice - ways the same on different records - with an audible German accent. The ove list represents the earliest disc record catalogue in the world. Original Message- om: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On half Of Steven Medved nt: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:18 PM : Phono-l bject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record hanks, I guess the 5 was made for a toy phonographs. Do you know how old urs is? I really appreciated the information. teve From: sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner record That appears to be a 5 Berliner. We recently were able to purchase one, and it looks identical (except for the title). They are VERY thin compared to the 7 Berliners and it's a wonder any survived at all. Not surprising that it is being sold in Germany where they were made. This title is probably the most sought after being Berliner's own voice. It is said that he recorded others as well. Our records is Barnyard sounds, which is rather poor imitations of clucking and mooing. I would imagine this was Berliner also (no documentation however), because I don't see him paying someone else to record it! Our 5 Berliner plays a total of 45 seconds! If it is pushing $2,000 with 7 days to go, one wonders where it will end ! WE HOPE TO SEE MANY OF YOU AT THE 26 ANNUAL CALIFORNIA ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPH SHOW AUGUST 13 14. Scott Denise -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:21 PM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner record Hello, Is this actually one of the first Berliner records? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/250864718289 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Server is Up - Some Things are Off Line
Loran: We thank you for making this list possible. -Original Message- From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 7:52 pm Subject: [Phono-L] New Server is Up - Some Things are Off Line The new Phono-L server is up and running! I've concentrated on getting the hono-L and OTAPS lists up, however, the Phono-L chat is off line. I doubt that t will be up in time for the chat session this evening. Thanks again to everyone who donated a few $$ to get the process moving. I eally appreciate your support! Regards, oran __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Beware of this seller on Ebay
I would have bought it for the buy it now price. The 24.95 price was still a fair price for such an item. Since there was only a 4.95 price difference between your offer and the buy it now price I would have bought it and nipped it in the bud knowing it would be in my collection within the week. If a collector wants something that bad he/she should not fuss over such a small price difference. You have to decide is it worth more for you to have the books in your collection or take the risk and not get them at all. I learned the hard way and now I use buy it now for those items that I really want when the price is still right. I hope this still can work out for you Harvey. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 9:13 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Beware of this seller on Ebay I don't know if this is appropriate, but I will post it anyway. I have a anguage phone disc machine made by Columbia. I was looking on ebay and found 260383447532. It was a set of books for a Language phone in Spanish dated 1917. I thought this would be a welcome addition to my Language phone machine. The eller's name is blue.moonbooks.and.antiques. I asked the usual questions efore I bid. It was a buy it now for $24.95 or obo.. I put in a offer of $20.00 and got a notice that the price jumped up to $55.00 and my offer was declined. I contacted the seller and asked what was going on about the sudden change in rice. She told me that she is a business woman and found out before I put in my offer, she reappraised the the value of the books. Needless to say I was pretty issed off and let her know how angry I was. I haven't heard back from her and I doubt if I ever will. I know I will get a lot of flak saying that it's still her item and she can do what ever they want with it. I guess i'm trying to say,a erson's word is thier most valuable asset. To me it is worth more than all the honographs and riches in the world. The lesson I learned from this is honographs are only a hobby, it's not worth getting mad at, and to move on. lso, I know to stay away from this seller. Thank you all for hearing me out. efore I forget, I checked the listing again and it was pulled. arvey Kravitz __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
