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It's called a depression. DeeDee Blais wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell horn. The nickel finish on the old elbow and tone arm were not great but at $725, the machine should have flown out of the sale. The price was prominently displayed but buyers did not even make an offer. You can't close a sale if there's no sale. Is there anyone on this list with a nice Vic 1 that they'd sell for that amount? The buyers were just not buying. I'll be back next year and hope things are better. Thanks to CAPS for a great effort and thanks to the vendors for a good selection. Thanks to the buyers... well,thanks for nearly nothing! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell horn. The nickel finish on the old elbow and tone arm were not great but at $725, the machine should have flown out of the sale. The price was prominently displayed but buyers did not even make an offer. You can't close a sale if there's no sale. Is there anyone on this list with a nice Vic 1 that they'd sell for that amount? The buyers were just not buying. I'll be back next year and hope things are better. Thanks to CAPS for a great effort and thanks to the vendors for a good selection. Thanks to the buyers... well,thanks for nearly nothing! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I have been going to CAPS since 2002, and always had a blast there. I didn't attend CAPS this year. My friend had too many obligations. Yes, the economy is bad for sellers because people are unsure about their finances. I did poorly at the Salem show, and the recent show in Seattle. I did buy some great things there. As I see it, I'm not in this hobby for the money. I just enjoy working on phonographs and listening to records. I sell at fair prices, and I am not going to give them away. I'll wait until the economy gets better and try again. Like so many others mentioned before, I go to these shows for the fellowship, gaining knowledge, and passing knowledge. If I sell something, fine. If not, oh well. At least I had a good time being among old friends and making new ones. Harvey Kravitz From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell horn. The nickel finish on the old elbow and tone arm were not great but at $725, the machine should have flown out of the sale. The price was prominently displayed but buyers did not even make an offer. You can't close a sale if there's no sale. Is there anyone on this list with a nice Vic 1 that they'd sell for that amount? The buyers were just not buying. I'll be back next year and hope things are better. Thanks to CAPS for a great effort and thanks to the vendors for a good selection. Thanks to the buyers... well,thanks for nearly nothing! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Hi All, While my view of the show was a short one-I drove in from Mesa Az. with my wife to pick up a machine that I had bought from CL in Portland that Jerry was kind enough to go look at and haul to the show-and turned around in an hour or so and drove back-I think it is just a reflection of what is taking place in the economy. While I do art restoration I do own a retail picture frame and art shop and I can tell you business stinks!. It has for 3 years and I think it will for at least 3 more. The retail side of this show is just Sunday and while some machines may change hands before and there may have been a lot of good ones at the show that is not a true indication of what has taken place. Sunday is. That is when someone who may have a casual interest in just getting a machine, or who has just gotten into the hobby is going to show up and shop. I know that the dealers and hobbyists that I talked to at around 1:30 or so said that they had sold some small stuff and that makes sense it fits what is taking place on the street. Here in Az. CL has exploded with common machines that people have listed because they need to sell stuff to get some money or they are leaving to get work and they don't want to haul stuff that they do not use or need. I had some money to spend- that I had saved during the year but I was already tired and when we got the credenza loaded into my wife's Jeep Liberty there was no room anyway. There was a really nice-God Forbid Me-Zenith radio that I would have bought but I had no room. But what took place at the show is what is taking place at my shop. There are no causal buyers coming in anymore-but there are still purpose buyers out there and you just have to hope that one comes your way. Next year I will come again-maybe get a table but the show was a good one and we just have to keep at it. I really liked the fact that there were some good machines there and a fair number of them as well. But as I said before collectors and dealers selling to each other does not tell the story-the show is spot on to our economy. Abe Feder On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: I have been going to CAPS since 2002, and always had a blast there. I didn't attend CAPS this year. My friend had too many obligations. Yes, the economy is bad for sellers because people are unsure about their finances. I did poorly at the Salem show, and the recent show in Seattle. I did buy some great things there. As I see it, I'm not in this hobby for the money. I just enjoy working on phonographs and listening to records. I sell at fair prices, and I am not going to give them away. I'll wait until the economy gets better and try again. Like so many others mentioned before, I go to these shows for the fellowship, gaining knowledge, and passing knowledge. If I sell something, fine. If not, oh well. At least I had a good time being among old friends and making new ones. Harvey Kravitz From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I
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I attended the Union show and agree with the fact that there was some pretty nice stuff, but I don't necessarily agree that all the prices were all that great (at least not for the stuff I would purchase). I have been looking for a nice phonograph advertising sign for example. I saw one for around $900+. I could have purchased it, but my less spontanous half (my wife :) ) said I should hold off. Long story, short, I was able to find the exact sign from a local individual who new what he had, but charged me only $275. I also had been looking for a phonolamp. This is something the wife always wanted. Again, with a little patience and waiting for the right individual, I found one for $1500 in all original working condition! Not bad. Bottom line, I find more and more that the shows do not necessarily provide the best buys and things aren't that difficult to find if your patient. With the economy as it is, there are more and more people looking to free things up that they have held onto as they need the money. Thus, I go to the shows to look and talk with folks, but do my shopping elsewhere or person to person. just some personal experience...Ron -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 11:16 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell horn. The nickel finish on the old elbow and tone arm were not great but at $725, the machine should have flown out of the sale. The price was prominently displayed but buyers did not even make an offer. You can't close a sale if there's no sale. Is there anyone on this list with a nice Vic 1 that they'd sell for that amount? The buyers were just not buying. I'll be back next year and hope things are better. Thanks to CAPS for a great effort and thanks to the vendors for a good selection. Thanks to the buyers... well,thanks for nearly nothing! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I agree with your comments Abe. I am one of those purpose buyers and get very frustrated that items I seek are sometimes already sold when I get into the show. I don't get the early pass or anything, but I can briskly walk the aisles and find something I would have paid X amount more than it already sold for, but it was either traded or sold outright to one of the other dealers prior to opening the show to the general public. I'm not much of a fan of the retail part of the shows.Ron -Original Message- From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS Hi All, While my view of the show was a short one-I drove in from Mesa Az. with my wife to pick up a machine that I had bought from CL in Portland that Jerry was kind enough to go look at and haul to the show-and turned around in an hour or so and drove back-I think it is just a reflection of what is taking place in the economy. While I do art restoration I do own a retail picture frame and art shop and I can tell you business stinks!. It has for 3 years and I think it will for at least 3 more. The retail side of this show is just Sunday and while some machines may change hands before and there may have been a lot of good ones at the show that is not a true indication of what has taken place. Sunday is. That is when someone who may have a casual interest in just getting a machine, or who has just gotten into the hobby is going to show up and shop. I know that the dealers and hobbyists that I talked to at around 1:30 or so said that they had sold some small stuff and that makes sense it fits what is taking place on the street. Here in Az. CL has exploded with common machines that people have listed because they need to sell stuff to get some money or they are leaving to get work and they don't want to haul stuff that they do not use or need. I had some money to spend- that I had saved during the year but I was already tired and when we got the credenza loaded into my wife's Jeep Liberty there was no room anyway. There was a really nice-God Forbid Me-Zenith radio that I would have bought but I had no room. But what took place at the show is what is taking place at my shop. There are no causal buyers coming in anymore-but there are still purpose buyers out there and you just have to hope that one comes your way. Next year I will come again-maybe get a table but the show was a good one and we just have to keep at it. I really liked the fact that there were some good machines there and a fair number of them as well. But as I said before collectors and dealers selling to each other does not tell the story-the show is spot on to our economy. Abe Feder On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: I have been going to CAPS since 2002, and always had a blast there. I didn't attend CAPS this year. My friend had too many obligations. Yes, the economy is bad for sellers because people are unsure about their finances. I did poorly at the Salem show, and the recent show in Seattle. I did buy some great things there. As I see it, I'm not in this hobby for the money. I just enjoy working on phonographs and listening to records. I sell at fair prices, and I am not going to give them away. I'll wait until the economy gets better and try again. Like so many others mentioned before, I go to these shows for the fellowship, gaining knowledge, and passing knowledge. If I sell something, fine. If not, oh well. At least I had a good time being among old friends and making new ones. Harvey Kravitz From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance
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I can see Ron's point, but how many people actually see such buys locally? I have an extensive collection of advertising signs but have never even found one locally (well I have found a couple at a quarterly antique show full of out of town dealers in my city). And to find a $1500 lamp phonograph seems like a very unlikely occurance. But, things do come up occasionally for better deals at estate sales and such. I can't see how you could really fill out much of a collection with local buys. At least not in my area. Without knowing others that bring things to my attention and access to the quality that are at the shows, I wouldn't have much of anything. So, yes it would be wonderful to find everything locally for great prices. But, in my experience those deals are few and far between. Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM, ronbr...@aol.com wrote: I attended the Union show and agree with the fact that there was some pretty nice stuff, but I don't necessarily agree that all the prices were all that great (at least not for the stuff I would purchase). I have been looking for a nice phonograph advertising sign for example. I saw one for around $900+. I could have purchased it, but my less spontanous half (my wife :) ) said I should hold off. Long story, short, I was able to find the exact sign from a local individual who new what he had, but charged me only $275. I also had been looking for a phonolamp. This is something the wife always wanted. Again, with a little patience and waiting for the right individual, I found one for $1500 in all original working condition! Not bad. Bottom line, I find more and more that the shows do not necessarily provide the best buys and things aren't that difficult to find if your patient. With the economy as it is, there are more and more people looking to free things up that they have held onto as they need the money. Thus, I go to the shows to look and talk with folks, but do my shopping elsewhere or person to person. just some personal experience...Ron -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 11:16 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell horn. The nickel finish on the old elbow and tone arm were not great but at $725, the machine should have flown out of the sale. The price was prominently displayed but buyers did not even make an offer. You can't close a sale if there's no sale. Is there anyone on this list with a nice Vic 1 that they'd sell for that amount? The buyers were just not buying. I'll be back next year and hope things are better. Thanks to CAPS for a great effort and thanks to the vendors for a good selection. Thanks to the buyers... well,thanks for nearly nothing! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono
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Dan, All fair points. I must add that I do rely on local dealers like Ron Haring to help out on occassion. He has some nice items I have looked for at fair prices. BUT, one last example (cuz this one's my favorite)just to prove my previous point based on my personal experienceI picked up a Hexaphone model 103 for $8000 that was proven to be in the hands of Clarence Ferguson at one time. These are always at the shows for at least $10,000. Not a killing, but a good deal. So, although things can seem unlikely, dreams and a little patience (and perhps luck) do come true. Ron -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I can see Ron's point, but how many people actually see such buys locally? I have an extensive collection of advertising signs but have never even found one locally (well I have found a couple at a quarterly antique show full of out of town dealers in my city). And to find a $1500 lamp phonograph seems like a very unlikely occurance. But, things do come up occasionally for better deals at estate sales and such. I can't see how you could really fill out much of a collection with local buys. At least not in my area. Without knowing others that bring things to my attention and access to the quality that are at the shows, I wouldn't have much of anything. So, yes it would be wonderful to find everything locally for great prices. But, in my experience those deals are few and far between. Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM, ronbr...@aol.com wrote: I attended the Union show and agree with the fact that there was some pretty nice stuff, but I don't necessarily agree that all the prices were all that great (at least not for the stuff I would purchase). I have been looking for a nice phonograph advertising sign for example. I saw one for around $900+. I could have purchased it, but my less spontanous half (my wife :) ) said I should hold off. Long story, short, I was able to find the exact sign from a local individual who new what he had, but charged me only $275. I also had been looking for a phonolamp. This is something the wife always wanted. Again, with a little patience and waiting for the right individual, I found one for $1500 in all original working condition! Not bad. Bottom line, I find more and more that the shows do not necessarily provide the best buys and things aren't that difficult to find if your patient. With the economy as it is, there are more and more people looking to free things up that they have held onto as they need the money. Thus, I go to the shows to look and talk with folks, but do my shopping elsewhere or person to person. just some personal experience...Ron -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 11:16 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell
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Hi John, We sure did speak. You were going to email me a copy of an Edison Lid Label, let Us Not Forget. I met and conversed with you in the past. I was working with Stan Stanford and Jerry Blais. Congrats on your Monarch. It's a nice machine I had a great time. Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Mon, 8/17/09, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:31 PM Hi Harvey - did we speak? I was selling with Mike Sorter at the table to his right. We have been doing the show together for something like 8 or 9 years. I think you introduced yourself, did you not? Sorry to be so vague, I met a LOT of people at the show! John Robles --- On Mon, 8/17/09, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 6:33 PM I had a really good time at the CAPS show.I saw a lot of old friends and met some new ones. I bought some parts and picked up a couple of machines. I did get that really cool Busy Bee Columbia Q client machine from Mike Sorter. It's an excellent machine at a good price. Thanks Mike. I really enjoyed the banquet and presentation. I've been involved wirh CAPS since 2002, and each year is always better than the previous year. Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Mon, 8/17/09, john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 2:21 PM Ok, I will wait to hear from you on it. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:08:00 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show I think that Pat was the person who brought in the Credenza case and had it in the lobby on Sat-$1000 and the top would have had to be reskined and a lot of touch up work to be done. I do art restoration for a living so I can do the work-but it would take a ton to bring it back. The leather was in good shape-but I don't have to have that. I just got a Amberola V with matching cabinet in mahogany from a client-I am not sure that I need 2 though my other is in oak. The pinstriping and paint is about the same on both80-85% but the mahogany needs to be redone as it has crazed to about 60 grit sandpaper. It my take a while but I can let you know what I am going to do after I restore the mahogany case and cabinet. Abe On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:07 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I want an amberola V so bad...I once had one and should never have let it go! Pat is on the oposite end aisle from me, he has two tables usually..I think he was to the right of Jerry Blais. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:52:30 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show John, was Pat at the show? some one and I can never remember his name-I bought an Ambrola V from him at my first CAPS show had a chroma leather crendza case at the show and it was a mess.; He was asking a $1000 and while I could bring it back to life it would be a ton of work and I would still need to find all the parts. If that was not him could you get me his phone# or email address. Thx in advance Abe On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:30 AM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Try Pat Jones- he usually has Credenzas. Sorry I missed you too!! John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:22:06 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show John I must have walked by you a dozen times or more- I have bought cylinders from Mike before. I was between Mike and Jerry Bias-I will have to work harder at hooking up with you next year. By the way I am looking for a really nice Victor crendza in walnut if you know of anyone who is selling one in driving distance from Az I am up for it. Thx sorry I missed you Abe On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hi Abe I was at the third table from the end on the back wall (near the snack bar). I was the one that had the Victor Schoolhouse with the smooth oak horn (still have it, unfortunately - it didn't sell). I sell with Mike Sorter, he was a tall guy with a lot of homes and standards. We had two tables, then Nestor Guzman was at the last table nearest the kitchen (by the chairs and tables). Were you next to Stan Spate? I am sorry to have missed you
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I would have to agree, it was a great show. I thought last year's show was a bit slower in business and attendance, but this year's show was in marked contrast. I sold items I didn't think would sell, and may buddy who I sell with every year sold several machines that he has been carting to the show for at least the past three or four years! I was very happy with my main purchase,which was a Victor M with brass belled horn from Stan for what I thought was a very good price. It now sits on my formerly empty Herzog record cabinet and it makes a pretty picture, I must say! Thanks Stan and thanks to you and Jerry for coming down. John Robles --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Stan Stanford s...@clarphon.com wrote: From: Stan Stanford s...@clarphon.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 7:44 AM Jerry Blais and I drove to the CAPS Show as usual. There were interesting machines to buy and I sold most of what I brought including 6 phonographs and many related small items. The entertainment for the Banquet as Scott and Denise have described was superbas good as any I have seen over the past 10 or 12 years. Jerry and I sat next to the fellows running the projector. The precision with which they worked was amazing, and the pianist played non-stop for about 1 1/2 hours. In addition to all this we heard the world's oldest recorded sound from about 1857 thanks to David Giovannoni. Congrats CAPS for such a great Show!!! Stan Stanford, President Oregon Territory Antique Phonograph Society - Original Message - From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS phonograph show For those who could not make the CAPS phonograph show in Southern California, it was a great show! We have attended all 24 years the show has been held and it was the best show ever! A Busy Bee disc (minus reproducer) for $125 and a Columbia BF for $300 were among the many bargains. Rare machines like an Edison Schoolhouse (one of 27 known) were also for sale. One dealer offered 100's of playable cylinder for .75 to $2.00 each. I overheard one guy on his cell phone telling his friend You need to get down here now. You won't believe what great stuff is here! That was just the show. The banquet the night before included a silent auction with 200 lots, and a great dinner. The presentation was amazing. Joe Rinaudo presented a range of silent movies on his original hand cranked projector. Original glass slides were shown (including phonograph ads) while the reels were changed. A Trip to the Moon , Buster Keaton's COPS, and Laurel Hardy's immortal Big Business were among the classics shown. I had a difficult time deciding what was more interesting: Watching the movies or watching him crank and work the equipment! All the films had live piano accompaniment. The presenters wore period costumes to set the mood. As a bonus, we heard a concert cylinder played on a original Polyphone Concert machine. Wow, what volume! Mark your calendars for next August! -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of rrocr...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:44 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150 Any information of CAPS convention? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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For those who could not make the CAPS phonograph show in Southern California, it was a great show! We have attended all 24 years the show has been held and it was the best show ever! A Busy Bee disc (minus reproducer) for $125 and a Columbia BF for $300 were among the many bargains. Rare machines like an Edison Schoolhouse (one of 27 known) were also for sale. One dealer offered 100's of playable cylinder for .75 to $2.00 each. I overheard one guy on his cell phone telling his friend You need to get down here now. You won't believe what great stuff is here! That was just the show. The banquet the night before included a silent auction with 200 lots, and a great dinner. The presentation was amazing. Joe Rinaudo presented a range of silent movies on his original hand cranked projector. Original glass slides were shown (including phonograph ads) while the reels were changed. A Trip to the Moon , Buster Keaton's COPS, and Laurel Hardy's immortal Big Business were among the classics shown. I had a difficult time deciding what was more interesting: Watching the movies or watching him crank and work the equipment! All the films had live piano accompaniment. The presenters wore period costumes to set the mood. As a bonus, we heard a concert cylinder played on a original Polyphone Concert machine. Wow, what volume! Mark your calendars for next August! -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of rrocr...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:44 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150 Any information of CAPS convention? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
