Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
SO TRUE i once bought a rare coin that was a fake and ebay and paypal would do nothing about it its cavet emptor -Original Message- From: Steven Medved To: Phono-l Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Thanks, I did not know that. > From: a...@popyrus.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert > > Hi Steve ~ > > The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get > reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The > unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never > happened to begin with. > > Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the > item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly > mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, > he probably left a positive feedback. > > I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers > who would rather be made whole again financially on their > misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, > than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on > this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable > experience. > > I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about > anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but > based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and > customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He > certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". > > That's my take on it. > > Andy > > On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > > > > If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. > > > > > >>> Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this > >>> individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to > >>> those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine > >>> from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been > >>> better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but > >>> came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the > >>> motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > >>> intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but > >>> not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and > >>> everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another > >>> view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, > >>> but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these > >>> posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up > >>> and found the following information for those who wish to dig > >>> deeper. > >>> > >>> > >>> Antique Edison > >>> (412) 257-8926 > >>> 301 Murray Ave > >>> Bridgeville, PA 15017 > >>> antiquedi...@aol.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
yes al i even have the book i bought from you on cylinder phonos years ago that you signed you are great in more than phonos i used to correspond with george frow too and he was very informative also great guys to get information when i was green in phonos thanks to you both rob -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Al, you're too modest! Your book on Edison cylinder phonographs is what ORIGINALLY started saving us from crooks and ignorant sellers. Jim On Dec 4, 2010, at 3:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: > Greetings Dave: > I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. > When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. > Regards to all, > Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
hi all believe it or not i still run into eddie gibson here in florida still selling phonograph and trying to do repairs -Original Message- From: clockworkhome To: phono-l Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 3:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org hi ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Yes. I was the other who expressed satisfaction with my transaction with this seller. There are always things that could be better, but in the end I had no issue with this seller. I was actually very happy in the end. However, I do not necessarily promote or degrade anyone specifically as we all have our own experiences in this and other ventures. To explain further, I will add, based again on my own personal experience in collecting phonographs and related items, that I have had only two or three poor experiences in some 15 years. These were, I'm sorry to report, with noted collectors and/or those perported to be "experts" in the fieldMAPS members. I wasn't as satisfied in those circumstances. Thus, I feel we need to be careful when publicly slamming a specific individual. That would be my only point for now. Ron --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Andrew Baron wrote: From: Andrew Baron Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 2:55 PM That's good to hear. Noted also another subscriber to this list was satisfied. Nice to be aware that there's some balance. Andy On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Jay Horenstein wrote: > I purchased a Columbia BY, with wood horn, and matching record cabinet from > this seller. Got it for a great price, it was shipped UPS in three boxes, > and everything arrived safely, and as advertised. > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > >> >> Thanks, I did not know that. >> >> >> >>> From: a...@popyrus.com >>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert >>> >>> Hi Steve ~ >>> >>> The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get >>> reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The >>> unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never >>> happened to begin with. >>> >>> Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the >>> item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly >>> mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, >>> he probably left a positive feedback. >>> >>> I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers >>> who would rather be made whole again financially on their >>> misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, >>> than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on >>> this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable >>> experience. >>> >>> I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about >>> anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but >>> based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and >>> customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He >>> certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". >>> >>> That's my take on it. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this >>>>>> individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to >>>>>> those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine >>>>>> from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been >>>>>> better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but >>>>>> came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the >>>>>> motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun >>>>>> intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but >>>>>> not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and >>>>>> everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another >>>>>> view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, >>>>>> but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these >>>>>> posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up >>>>>> and found the following information for those who wish to dig >>>>>> de
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Andy, Thanks for the heads up on this topic. As a result of your info, I was able to get reimbursed under eBay's Buyer Protection Plan and post a negative feedback to warn others about the buyer. At Vonage's suggestion, I bought a used Vonage router (my previous Vonage Linksys router failed) on eBay. The seller claimed it was only 6 months old... When I tried to use it, Vonage told me there was an outstanding balance on the account associated with that router so it was not a valid Vonage product. The buyer agreed to take it back and offered a product only refund, no freight. After repeatedly asking for the promised refund, the buyer later claimed he never received it back, contrary to the receipt I got from the Post Office. I submitted the info to PayPal, they wanted to negotiate. I said I wanted the full refund including freight charges. PayPal ruled in my favor saying nobody was at fault and the transaction was cancelled. I immediately posted the negative feedback before getting PayPal's cancellation notice. So if you act quickly before PayPal/eBay sweep it away, perhaps we can help others by posting negative feedback when deserved. Jack > From: > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert > > Hi Steve ~ > > The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get > reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The > unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never > happened to begin with. > > Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the > item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly > mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, > he probably left a positive feedback. > > I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers > who would rather be made whole again financially on their > misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, > than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on > this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable > experience. > > I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about > anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but > based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and > customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He > certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". > > That's my take on it. > > Andy > > On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > > > > If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. > > > > > >>> Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this > >>> individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to > >>> those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine > >>> from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been > >>> better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but > >>> came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the > >>> motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > >>> intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but > >>> not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and > >>> everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another > >>> view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, > >>> but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these > >>> posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up > >>> and found the following information for those who wish to dig > >>> deeper. > >>> > >>> > >>> Antique Edison > >>> (412) 257-8926 > >>> 301 Murray Ave > >>> Bridgeville, PA 15017 > >>> antiquedi...@aol.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
That's good to hear. Noted also another subscriber to this list was satisfied. Nice to be aware that there's some balance. Andy On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Jay Horenstein wrote: I purchased a Columbia BY, with wood horn, and matching record cabinet from this seller. Got it for a great price, it was shipped UPS in three boxes, and everything arrived safely, and as advertised. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Thanks, I did not know that. From: a...@popyrus.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Hi Steve ~ The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never happened to begin with. Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, he probably left a positive feedback. I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers who would rather be made whole again financially on their misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable experience. I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". That's my take on it. Andy On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up and found the following information for those who wish to dig deeper. Antique Edison (412) 257-8926 301 Murray Ave Bridgeville, PA 15017 antiquedi...@aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
I purchased a Columbia BY, with wood horn, and matching record cabinet from this seller. Got it for a great price, it was shipped UPS in three boxes, and everything arrived safely, and as advertised. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > Thanks, I did not know that. > > > > > From: a...@popyrus.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert > > > > Hi Steve ~ > > > > The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get > > reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The > > unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never > > happened to begin with. > > > > Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the > > item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly > > mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, > > he probably left a positive feedback. > > > > I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers > > who would rather be made whole again financially on their > > misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, > > than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on > > this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable > > experience. > > > > I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about > > anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but > > based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and > > customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He > > certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". > > > > That's my take on it. > > > > Andy > > > > On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > > > > > > > If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. > > > > > > > > >>> Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this > > >>> individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to > > >>> those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine > > >>> from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been > > >>> better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but > > >>> came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the > > >>> motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > > >>> intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but > > >>> not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and > > >>> everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another > > >>> view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, > > >>> but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these > > >>> posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up > > >>> and found the following information for those who wish to dig > > >>> deeper. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Antique Edison > > >>> (412) 257-8926 > > >>> 301 Murray Ave > > >>> Bridgeville, PA 15017 > > >>> antiquedi...@aol.com > > >>> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > ___ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Thanks, I did not know that. > From: a...@popyrus.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert > > Hi Steve ~ > > The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get > reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The > unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never > happened to begin with. > > Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the > item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly > mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, > he probably left a positive feedback. > > I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers > who would rather be made whole again financially on their > misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, > than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on > this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable > experience. > > I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about > anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but > based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and > customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He > certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". > > That's my take on it. > > Andy > > On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > > > > If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. > > > > > >>> Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this > >>> individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to > >>> those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine > >>> from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been > >>> better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but > >>> came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the > >>> motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > >>> intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but > >>> not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and > >>> everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another > >>> view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, > >>> but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these > >>> posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up > >>> and found the following information for those who wish to dig > >>> deeper. > >>> > >>> > >>> Antique Edison > >>> (412) 257-8926 > >>> 301 Murray Ave > >>> Bridgeville, PA 15017 > >>> antiquedi...@aol.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
I had to leave feedback on an item that turned out to be incomplete. The only description on it was 'original'. I left the words 'received item' as feedback. I should have asked more about it before I bought it... -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 To: Antique Phonograph List Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Hi Steve ~ The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never happened to begin with. Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, he probably left a positive feedback. I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers who would rather be made whole again financially on their misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable experience. I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". That's my take on it. Andy On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. > > >>> Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this >>> individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to >>> those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine >>> from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been >>> better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but >>> came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the >>> motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun >>> intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but >>> not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and >>> everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another >>> view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, >>> but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these >>> posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up >>> and found the following information for those who wish to dig >>> deeper. >>> >>> >>> Antique Edison >>> (412) 257-8926 >>> 301 Murray Ave >>> Bridgeville, PA 15017 >>> antiquedi...@aol.com >>> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Hi Steve ~ The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never happened to begin with. Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, he probably left a positive feedback. I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers who would rather be made whole again financially on their misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable experience. I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to "play by the same rules". That's my take on it. Andy On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up and found the following information for those who wish to dig deeper. Antique Edison (412) 257-8926 301 Murray Ave Bridgeville, PA 15017 antiquedi...@aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. > > Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the > > past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted > > thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed > > relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine > > was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs > > to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > > intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so > > much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was > > actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my > > experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended > > well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I > > looked his phone number up and found the following information for those > > who wish to dig deeper. > > > > > > Antique Edison > > (412) 257-8926 > > 301 Murray Ave > > Bridgeville, PA 15017 > > antiquedi...@aol.com > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
He used to advertise in the MAPS newsletter. I can almost remember his name but not quite :-( John Robles -Original Message- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:22:00 To: Phono-l Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Was this the person who called himself Auntie Dodo? > > Whoa. If it's who I'm thinking it is, he's been around for a while - I > remember him from the Phonatics AOL list days (way back in the mid-90's). I > don't remember his name either, but as I recall, he would use his mother's > address on the return labels. He was doing some pretty odd stuff and got > booted from the list for it. > > Regards, > Loran > > On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:46 PM, hexaph...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the > > past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted > > thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed > > relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine > > was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs > > to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > > intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so > > much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was > > actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my > > experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended > > well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I > > looked his phone number up and found the following information for those > > who wish to dig deeper. > > > > > > Antique Edison > > (412) 257-8926 > > 301 Murray Ave > > Bridgeville, PA 15017 > > antiquedi...@aol.com > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Was this the person who called himself Auntie Dodo? > > Whoa. If it's who I'm thinking it is, he's been around for a while - I > remember him from the Phonatics AOL list days (way back in the mid-90's). I > don't remember his name either, but as I recall, he would use his mother's > address on the return labels. He was doing some pretty odd stuff and got > booted from the list for it. > > Regards, > Loran > > On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:46 PM, hexaph...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the > > past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted > > thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed > > relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine > > was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs > > to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > > intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so > > much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was > > actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my > > experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended > > well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I > > looked his phone number up and found the following information for those > > who wish to dig deeper. > > > > > > Antique Edison > > (412) 257-8926 > > 301 Murray Ave > > Bridgeville, PA 15017 > > antiquedi...@aol.com > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Whoa. If it's who I'm thinking it is, he's been around for a while - I remember him from the Phonatics AOL list days (way back in the mid-90's). I don't remember his name either, but as I recall, he would use his mother's address on the return labels. He was doing some pretty odd stuff and got booted from the list for it. Regards, Loran On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:46 PM, hexaph...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the > past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted > thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed > relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine > was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs > to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun > intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so > much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was > actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my > experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended > well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I > looked his phone number up and found the following information for those who > wish to dig deeper. > > > Antique Edison > (412) 257-8926 > 301 Murray Ave > Bridgeville, PA 15017 > antiquedi...@aol.com > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Al, you're too modest! Your book on Edison cylinder phonographs is what ORIGINALLY started saving us from crooks and ignorant sellers. Jim On Dec 4, 2010, at 3:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: > Greetings Dave: > I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I > have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling > me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I > need for my collection. > When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. > Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that > makes it much more difficult to con us. > Regards to all, > Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
I just "love" sellers like this. One thing you as a buyer need to do as soon as you figure out that the deal is going south is to request the eBay seller's contact information from eBay. The seller is made aware that you have this information by eBay and this tends to increase the cooperation level several orders of magnitude. And if it does not then at least you know who you are dealing with. On 12/04/2010 04:07 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Hi All ~ A customer of mine bought an Edison cylinder player and horn from this seller. It was packed extraordinarily poorly with minimal and haphazard filler -- may have been crumpled newspaper. The machine arrived with a broken cabinet top, and the horn had some end-to-end compression damage. He asked me what he should do and I told him to bring everything over so I could see it, with the boxes and packing just as he received them. I wanted to get a sense of the extent of the damage, the relative task of repairs, general reduced value so he could try to get some compensation, or if he should just send everything back and be done with it. I couldn't believe how the horn was packed -- one large box that could only contain about 2/3 of the horn, with a small box taped on top to cover the narrow end. No inner box, just these two taped together like a two-layer cake. Just imagine how an arrangement like this must get toppled and battered during the typical UPS transfer station and stacking situations. In emails that my friend bcc'd to me, the seller claimed that he has shipped horns for years packed like this and has never had one damaged. Yeah, right! I advised that the machine and horn should be sent back, which my friend reluctantly did. The seller made promise after broken promise to compensate, benignly at first and persistently evasive as to how much or when, but never came through. And time was passing. I pointed out to my friend that he was entitled to buyer protection, but was in his last couple of days before the deadline to file a complaint. My friend is a nice guy -- not good with confrontation, was allowing this seller to take advantage of him, and was giving the seller every possible benefit of the doubt, much to my frustration. The seller had managed to string him along, I'm sure while counting down the days until his own liability disappeared. It was maddening to helplessly watch from the sidelines, and so clear what the outcome was shaping up to be. Finally on the last day he could do it, my friend filed a complaint with Ebay. At this point the seller turned vicious and accusatory in private emails to my friend, blaming him for damaging a perfectly good machine and horn, while at the same time claiming to eBay that the horn was packed properly, etc. The eBay mediator my friend talked to apparently told him that the seller even tried to claim that the buyer had kept the perfect phonograph and sent back a damaged one. It was just bizarre. The guy would say anything. To make a long story short(er), eBay paid my friend in full, shipping and all. I must assume that this is far from an isolated story with regard to this seller, and it chagrins me that he's still able to sell. I believe that when eBay pays a buyer protection claim it precludes a negative feedback being left for the buyer (correct me if I'm wrong on this, if anyone knows better). Something wrong with the system? A final note is that I too was wondering what the guy's full name was, and recall looking at the "from" name and address written on the box flaps. He was using someone else's name, a woman's name if I recall, and using a different shipped-from address. I think he might have signed one of his emails "John". Who knows if even this is his name? Andy On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up and found the following information for those who wish to dig deeper. Antique Edison (412) 257-8926 301 Murray Ave Bridgeville, PA 15017 antiquedi...@aol.com --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Andrew Baron wrote: From: Andrew Baron Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 4:07 PM Hi All ~ A customer of mine bought an Edison cylinder player and horn from this seller. It was packed extraordinarily poorly with minimal and haphazard filler -- may have been crumpled newspaper. The machine arrived with a broken cabinet top, and the horn had some end-to-end compression damage. He asked me what he should do and I told him to bring everything over so I could see it, with the boxes and packing just as he received them. I wanted to get a sense of the extent of the damage, the relative task of repairs, general reduced value so he could try to get some compensation, or if he should just send everything back and be done with it. I couldn't believe how the horn was packed -- one large box that could only contain about 2/3 of the horn, with a small box taped on top to cover the narrow end. No inner box, just these two taped together like a two-layer cake. Just imagine how an arrangement like this must get toppled and battered during the typical UPS transfer station and stacking situations. In emails that my friend bcc'd to me, the seller claimed that he has shipped horns for years packed like this and has never had one damaged. Yeah, right! I advised that the machine and horn should be sent back, which my friend reluctantly did. The seller made promise after broken promise to compensate, benignly at first and persistently evasive as to how much or when, but never came through. And time was passing. I pointed out to my friend that he was entitled to buyer protection, but was in his last couple of days before the deadline to file a complaint. My friend is a nice guy -- not good with confrontation, was allowing this seller to take advantage of him, and was giving the seller every possible benefit of the doubt, much to my frustration. The seller had managed to string him along, I'm sure while counting down the days until his own liability disappeared. It was maddening to helplessly watch from the sidelines, and so clear what the outcome was shaping up to be. Finally on the last day he could do it, my friend filed a complaint with Ebay. At this point the seller turned vicious and accusatory in private emails to my friend, blaming him for damaging a perfectly good machine and horn, while at the same time claiming to eBay that the horn was packed properly, etc. The eBay mediator my friend talked to apparently told him that the seller even tried to claim that the buyer had kept the perfect phonograph and sent back a damaged one. It was just bizarre. The guy would say anything. To make a long story short(er), eBay paid my friend in full, shipping and all. I must assume that this is far from an isolated story with regard to this seller, and it chagrins me that he's still able to sell. I believe that when eBay pays a buyer protection claim it precludes a negative feedback being left for the buyer (correct me if I'm wrong on this, if anyone knows better). Something wrong with the system? A final note is that I too was wondering what the guy's full name was, and recall looking at the "from" name and address written on the box flaps. He was using someone else's name, a woman's name if I recall, and using a different shipped-from address. I think he might have signed one of his emails "John". Who knows if even this is his name? Andy On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: > > > Greetings Dave: > I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I > have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling > me I don't know what I am talking about.
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Hi All ~ A customer of mine bought an Edison cylinder player and horn from this seller. It was packed extraordinarily poorly with minimal and haphazard filler -- may have been crumpled newspaper. The machine arrived with a broken cabinet top, and the horn had some end-to-end compression damage. He asked me what he should do and I told him to bring everything over so I could see it, with the boxes and packing just as he received them. I wanted to get a sense of the extent of the damage, the relative task of repairs, general reduced value so he could try to get some compensation, or if he should just send everything back and be done with it. I couldn't believe how the horn was packed -- one large box that could only contain about 2/3 of the horn, with a small box taped on top to cover the narrow end. No inner box, just these two taped together like a two-layer cake. Just imagine how an arrangement like this must get toppled and battered during the typical UPS transfer station and stacking situations. In emails that my friend bcc'd to me, the seller claimed that he has shipped horns for years packed like this and has never had one damaged. Yeah, right! I advised that the machine and horn should be sent back, which my friend reluctantly did. The seller made promise after broken promise to compensate, benignly at first and persistently evasive as to how much or when, but never came through. And time was passing. I pointed out to my friend that he was entitled to buyer protection, but was in his last couple of days before the deadline to file a complaint. My friend is a nice guy -- not good with confrontation, was allowing this seller to take advantage of him, and was giving the seller every possible benefit of the doubt, much to my frustration. The seller had managed to string him along, I'm sure while counting down the days until his own liability disappeared. It was maddening to helplessly watch from the sidelines, and so clear what the outcome was shaping up to be. Finally on the last day he could do it, my friend filed a complaint with Ebay. At this point the seller turned vicious and accusatory in private emails to my friend, blaming him for damaging a perfectly good machine and horn, while at the same time claiming to eBay that the horn was packed properly, etc. The eBay mediator my friend talked to apparently told him that the seller even tried to claim that the buyer had kept the perfect phonograph and sent back a damaged one. It was just bizarre. The guy would say anything. To make a long story short(er), eBay paid my friend in full, shipping and all. I must assume that this is far from an isolated story with regard to this seller, and it chagrins me that he's still able to sell. I believe that when eBay pays a buyer protection claim it precludes a negative feedback being left for the buyer (correct me if I'm wrong on this, if anyone knows better). Something wrong with the system? A final note is that I too was wondering what the guy's full name was, and recall looking at the "from" name and address written on the box flaps. He was using someone else's name, a woman's name if I recall, and using a different shipped-from address. I think he might have signed one of his emails "John". Who knows if even this is his name? Andy On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono- L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
